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Google said Tuesday the company and at least 20 others were victims of a "highly sophisticated and targeted attack" originating in China in mid-December, evidently to gain access to the e-mail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.
"Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack did not achieve that objective," according to a statement by David Drummond, senior vice president of corporate development and chief legal officer for Google, operator of the most popular Internet search engine.
Drummond said that as a result of the attacks, Google has decided it is no longer willing to consider censorship of its Google site in China and may have to shut down its site and its offices in that nation.
We'd like to know what you think.
Do you think Google is doing the right thing by deciding not to censor the site in China? Should Google leave the country?
Please post your comments below
Yes! They should leave and not censor anymore! Why i the world in they in the first place?! The internet should be a free and open instrument – not a tool for the Chinese...
I'm glad Google is standing up to the Chinese government.
Yes! I totally agree with Pauly.
Yes, get out of China. Let them know you don't need to do business with dictators.
Yes, I believe they should leave China rather than submit to Chinese government censorship.
I remain appalled that Google ever consented to censorship in the first place. SHAME!! At this point I see no reason for them to stay. A government that is so fearful of what it citizens might access on the internet has MUCH to fear. Then again it might be better if Google stayed – and the government left!!
No US companies should do business in China until and unless the human rights abuses are corrected. Yet, they all do. Money triumphs over all. If Google pulls out, more power to them. I always felt they were violating their "don't be evil" clause being there.
Go Google its about time someone stood up to the Chinese!
Yes, Google, and other corporations should not do business with China, until they improve their human rights record, worker safety record, and product safety record.
Hopefully they will follow thru and pull out of China. It's long overdue that we only deal with countries that treat their people fairly, and produce products that are safe to use.
I will not even give my dogs toys made in China due to the fear that it is tainted with god knows what toxic materials.
Everyday there is some new story about their products and the harm it causes but our government is too afraid to complain for fear the chinese will stop bankrolling their spending spree.
BOYCOTT CHINESE GOODS
No, they should not and they will not. Money is money. Beside, If they will pull out of China it will create vacuum that will be quickly filed by more sinister competitor that will be more cooperative with the regime.
Yes, absolutely Google and other should close down and leave China. Google should not allow it's services to be used by the Chinese communists as a way to further stifle personal freedom
Absolutely! It should be no surprise that the Chinese government has taken advantage of foreign companies to suppress their citizens. It's time the world takes notice...
I agree..Google should stand up. China wants to have a nation of zombies that cant think for themselves and only do what the govt tells them to do. China, because of their ignorance, maybe the industrial rising giant but that just makes them years behind the US so they will always be behind the US because they limit free thinking and ideas to flow (good, bad or indifferent ideas). I salute Google's actions however i dont think they can hold back the push from Congress to lighten up because thanks to our Treasury Dept and Congress China holds a huge amount of our debt. It's sad that our nation holds its financial foundation up using one of the most ignorant nation on the globe. Good luck Google!!
Be brave Google.
Once you finish with that you can move on to addressing your cowardness towards Islam.
Google will not leave China, as it will not prevent future potential attacks. Though it will send a strong political message and cost China a few jobs, but you can't forget that China is positioned to be a key economic player alongside countries like India; the US needs them more than they need the US. The cost would be too great for Google, and besides, no one sacrifices ethics for capital anymore.
not only should google leave communist china and their thought police, all american manufactures should also leave.
I say forget them, leave China to their own devices.
Good to see Google refusing to bow to the pressures of a communist nation. There is no room on this planet anymore for censorship. Pull out of China.
Yes, I think Google should leave China.
The chinese govt. Has now made it clear that they do not want Google
no matter what the P.R. ministers say.
Google should pull out and close all venues of communication with this Regime until they mature enough to want the help.
My first reaction is to say get out of there. However, I thing that google and others are the way to help the everyday citizens of that country attain freedom and if they leave will that be an setback for human rights in that country?
Should Google leave China? Yes. The Chinese government must first come to realize that to be a beneficary of the world economy it must also be a participant. Chinese citizens are not children.
And this country is supposed to be our best friend in this hateful, unfair world. They allow us to borrow money while we agree to trade goods with their country..... and what do most of there material goods contain??? Lead... Cadmium.... and who are theses poisonous, material goods for....
Thanks China for making this wonderful world a better place
May your rules of playing fair... strangle your country in the end.....
For the love of God YES!!!!This is not the first time the Chinese have launched or planned an attack of this nature.It won't be the last.Now that they are so close to becoming a dominant force on the planet they will not be looking for partnership or cooperation in anything.It is time ALL North Americans started getting ready for the troubles ahead with this country. I won't go into they're human rights record.
The internet represents and provides freedom of speech, beliefs and unlimited access to information. The Chinese government so clearly opposes theses principles that it's ridiculous that Google set up shop there to begin with. They would regain some dignity in my book if they were to pull out of the country asap and discontinue trying to dress a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Leave China. In fact, google should consider hacking their sites in order to open up the information to the common chinese person.
Evil must be stopped and destroyed, not colluded with.
Freedom of though liberates people's minds and, possibly, their souls.
It is time for freedom in China.
I think Google is way too late in pulling out, they shouldn't have been there in the first place, but greed wins every time....
Other companies should pull out also, i don't understand the world, they boycotted and were enemies of the Russian Communist state, yet they are buddies with the Chinese Communist state... to me there is no difference, the Chinese government should be dismantled, and the people allowed to live without the fear of being rounded up, killed, or sent to a concentration camp(Jail).
Yes they should pull out. If for no other reason than it is time for American companies to quit pandering to the demands of this repressive Chinese government. Until they realize that they stand to lose financially for their policies, they have no real reason to improve them.
About time......Google knew they were doing this for years. I'm pretty sure this is the result of pressure by human rights activists and the state department.
Do no evil. Ha. Google: How do your executives, sales account mgrs and programmers sleep at night?
YEA! FREEDOM FRIES! BAD COMMUNISM! CENSORSHIP IS BAD! WAH WAH WAH...
Who are you people? How is Google being brave LEAVING China? The Chinese Gov't would LOVE for Google to leave. The fact that Google is there threatens their ironclad rule over the masses. It provides the everyday citizen a possibility to see what's outside their walls. Yes, the Chinese Gov't is attempting to censor Google for the fact that this is how they rule, but they can't censor everything out here. Google is simply a vehicle for the masses to connect with the outside world and by pulling that vehicle from them simply reinforces the overall Chinese hold over it's people. Come out from your trailers people and give the subject a little more thought. Idiots.
The fact that Google wants to leave is cowardice.
Get out of china.
Google should stand up to the Chinese government, whatever the price. It will be hard – but if the Chinese government see that they cannot push Google around, they will realize that they are dealing with serious business people, not puppets they can push around. You can be sure China will try to hurt Google everywhere they can: from cellphones to other services. Google must stand up or remain in an abusive relationship. It is better to take a stand early – and reap the rewards later than to be pushed around only to be trampled later.
Boycott China, say no to facism! I mean, my American flag says "made in China" on it, ugh!
Yes, and further, why is there not an trade embargo against china?
Surely China's human rights violations are just as grave as Cuba's?
Let the Chinese know they cannot make the rules as they see fit for themselves. Leave and don't look back. It's time to take back what belongs to us. Our jobs and money. And yes Google too!
Yes. The sooner the better. I'm sure some enterrprising user will quickly find a proxy link to Google that is unfettered by the Chinese government and it will spread virally via an underground network.
Google should leave China. The Chinese government will continue to persue gaining access to sensitive data at all costs. Google can not count on the U.S. government backing them. I would be very impressed to see Google do the right thing.
Money talks. By getting out of China, they send a clear message to the government.
The government can try to set up their own search engine. They can also filter out google entirely in the future. The other 4.5 Billion People of the world will know why Google is not there.
This is technical isolation and China will need to learn that they need to open up on ALL fronts. They may have grown up financially and have one of the deepest and oldest cultures, but they are still immature politically and environmentally.
It's about time Google did the right thing, and I hope this stands as an example and a lesson to other businesses
the question is not whether or not Google should leave China. the question is, WHY ARE THEY STILL THERE? why were they there in the first place? get out now. the Chinese government obviously doesn't want them there, and maybe if Google leaves it will show the people of China that if they want freedom of ideas via the internet, or any other way for that matter, then they need to stand up to their own government. Google doesn't need to take a stand, they should just cut their losses and leave. but the the people of China do need to take a stand if they want the freedom to browse the internet as they please.
No – Google should NOT leave China - Counter ATTACK the attackers - they are used to living in the stone age – attack and send them back.......
Leaders in every country need to understand – human's by nature do not work well with over bearing self righteous corrupted politicians
is this case i'm talking about china NOT the United States' dirty corrupt politicians
Point being – at some time – the lower class, which vastly out number every military on the planet combined – will get tired of being ruled
I'm glad Google is standing up to China...but I'm in agreement with Christopher. Yes, Google caving in to Chinese censorship was bad, BUT by doing so, Google gave access to the world to the Chinese people, who could work around those limits. It brought other views and ideas to the Chinese; it gave them a crack in the closed door, it let them connect to the outside world. By leaving, Google is removing that open door and slamming it in the faces of those who need it most.
The Chinese government won't be hurt by Google leaving, not at all. They won't CARE. It tightens their control of their people.
No...Google should not pull out of China. China has made remarkable advances economically, politically and socially in the past decades. For Google to pull out now would hamper these advancements, especially regarding human rights.
In school we are studying china and if tou knew there histery you would have never wanted google to go there in the first place. Im glad google is standing up for them selves.
Everybody says yes, and I am with them. China feels like it has a right to read people's emails, even yours and mine. But I guess I am still mad that they are shipping poison to kids around the world, and cheating every way they can; pirating movies, software, and music, copyright infringment (and even cheating in the olympics). A few months ago, I found a chinese produced virus on my PC, at least there were chinese characters in the the code. Why???
Do no evil.
Google is going to stay, or be kicked out, money is money, and it rules the world.
The free exchange of ideas is anathema to old men clinging to power at all costs; I applaud Google for standing up to be counted in support of ideals beloved by all free people.
Get out of China! If everyone else would, this would definitely be a much better world. We can live without China. Really. I hope Google is not just making an idle threat.
Open your eyes and minds people. You think by Google pulling out would make a Gov't overseeing 1.3 Billion people quake? Idiots. Google staying there and possibly INFLUENCING 1.3 billion people makes the Gov't quake. Why do you think they attempted to hack their network?
Leave China now!!!
The most powerful force on earth is the truth. The most powerful transmitter of the truth is currently the internet. The Chinese have suppressed their people for centuries by controlling the truth and it's dissemination. China cannot stop the internet, especially if it contains the truth.
Leave China now, drop the censorship, help the Chinese people become free from this suppressive form of existence... Help them with the truth, they will find a way to get the information, the truth...
Yes leave China, they are already trying to poison the world!
Its about time a technology company stood up to Communist China! Free speach and lack of censorship is crutial in this world today. Why do so many US companies bow down to the Chinese? Microsoft and Sun/Cisco should take the example from Google!
Absolutely, pull out of China and I hope it will encourage other countries to do the same, not to mention, make our own President and government issue a formal statement condemning the attack and the abuse of human rights by the Chinese government.
Absolutely, Google should leave China – China really is a sleeping tiger and should not be considered tame just because our economy depends on their suppling most of our consumer goods.
I think Google should absolutely leave China. I'm hoping they choose to set the right example in that a major US company should stand up for the right thing – even if it means adversely affecting profits. Cudos!
I feel like Google shouldn't censor anymore, but at the same time isn't pulling out what the Chinese government wants? Maybe a limited search that has to battle for freedom or speech is better than no search engine, because at least then there is the hope that one day it won't be censored.
Absolutely. Human right is one thing, piracy is another, government sanctioned cyber attacks are yet another.
Google would be right to pull out.
I wish all so-called American companies would pull out. If we even look wrong at the President (be it Bush or Obama) we are unpatriotic but these money-hungy CEOs can move all their business out of the US into China (a communist country, mind you) and the government (both Republicans and Democrats) turns its head the other way.
Hooray for Google! Absolutely the right move. However, it was likely only the first of such attacks. Google is a goldmine of personal information to countries like this. Imagine storing all your personal contacts and calendar online. Oh, wait. That's what Google does. I only recently caved in to this in order to sync with their Droid. Before that, I could sync with Outlook. Hate having my personal info online. It does not make life easier, only makes us more vulnerable.
While i do not agree with China's state sponsored censorship, Google provides an important search engine for those who are seeking material outside of CCP sanctioned information. It cannot be replaced by Baidu-( China's indigenes search engine) because Baidu is not as sophisticated, is a chinese language search engine, and is greatly censored. By pulling out, Google will, in essence, further censor China's intellectuals.
What is this talk about Google Finally doing the right thing? And ashamed that Google censored it searched to begin with? My way of looking at it is...
1.Google is a business, and is in the business of making money just like everyone else. Because of that they did what they had to do to move into a HUGE market.
2. If Google hadn't censored the searches, they would not be in China at all right and would not have this opportunity to "stand up" for what is right.
So i say good job Google, kick a little commie butt.
Google should stay and continue to be a thorn in China's side. Obviously, Google also needs to up its game to fend off China's efforts to infiltrate its infrastructure. Whatever gains Google makes on that front will strengthen its product , services, protections, and value for users everywhere. Google: Stick it out. Be tough. Persevere.
Google should not have been violating ordinary international ethics to make money from a fascist (they fit the fascist model far better than a real communistic model) state. It is a sad thing to see a country with China's magnificent heritage run by such short sighted stupid people. Dealing with them means your integrity will be violated. Of course, the rest of America is in bed with them, due to our corporate fondness for cheap labor, so Google's gesture (if they leave) might not mean much. It may only mean that it is harder for Chinese citizens to get any information about the (relatively) free world.
Pull out. It will also be interesting to follow this story and see the effect a major search engine, such as Google, leaving will have on a globalized nation.
if more international companies like Google had done the same thing over the 15 years , we would have a different attitude from the Chinese government regarding human and labor rights .
"... and the people allowed to live without the fear of being rounded up, killed, or sent to a concentration camp(Jail)..."
you are really fun! Although I don't like the government here, but I have to say that you have so many misundertandings about China. I am not good teacher. If you wanna know the trues, just come to China and find truth by your self.
NO, Google should stay with china, why we all are picking on china, idk, but, I am an american, but know many people from china, and know personaly, alot of the stuff people say about china is not true or is only half the turth.
just becuase 10% chinese are not god,
dose not mean that the other 90% are bad.
if thats the case and true,, then, just becuase of the few bad people here in USA, it means we all are the same, we all do crimes, and the same crimes.
if chinese are hacking there own ppl, thats up to them,
and china shoudl deal with them ppl there selfs,
and you all want out jobs back, then expect all out stuff go up 90%+, some things even will go up 180%
Absolutely – This has nothing to do with trade and our good relationship with our global economic partner that is China and it's people. It's about the leaders and their paranoia over control of information. The Chinese Government crossed the line with the attacks. I believe Google knows more than they are saying and I hope they stick to their threat of pulling out, soon! Google may not realize this but it will make a huge statement and embolden people around the world as to China's human rights practices and may actually help with real change in China. There's a new generation that will eventually change China to a more democratic society, but that may take 20-30 years.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
I always wondered why they went in the first place because I thought they could have held out longer until the Chinese came running after being left behind the rest of the world. Now, this seems to be a better situation. Like a junkie, perhaps China is addicted to Google and now has had a taste of the brilliant multi-faceted access to information that Google provides to the world. They face embarrassment on the world stage at a company pulling out due to persecution of human rights advocates and Google has an ace in the hole. Will China take their bluff?
Google shouldn't be making deals with China anyway that help fuel the tyranny there against it's own people.
No sense!! This is a strategy google is using; there has been a law suit against google's unauthorized use of Chinese products.
Go Yahoo; I will switch to Yahoo!!
Yes, they should leave for safety and stay out after they leave.
I love how everyone here is angry at China for its human rights violations when we are missing all of our human rights violations occurring in front of our own eyes.
We are making doing things to ourselves like smoking marijuana etc. a jailable offense. At any point in time 0.75% of our country is in jail or 2 million people. Most of these crimes are non-violent, non-swindling, non-fraud related, etc. If we get arrested for owning a vegetable, that has massive amounts of medicinal purposes, I say that we cannot condemn other governments that are violating their citizens' rights, just in a different way.
I think google should stand up to tyranny. I also think the American people should stand up to what amounts to elements of tyranny within our own country. "Liberty and justice for all" "Land of the free" "No cruel or unusual punishment" "Justice is blind"
All I see is a bunch of people forgetting about our own inalienable rights being alienated, because we have this piece of meet dangling in front of us presented to us by our virtual masters.
Point being, America has lost its way too. Perhaps we should start condemning those that violate rights within our own borders as well?
China is not a dictatorship, but a one-part ruled government full of power and corruption (sound familiar?). The censorship of information, especially against pornography and anti-government is necessary because completely free speech would topple the government. For Google to get out of China is to give up. I say stay and keep pushing. Stay in it for the long haul and with more revenue, begets more power to change into the vision Google has for the online community. And there are ways around the censors and filters. A lot of people in China do this all the time.
Absolutely pull out. The government is using it as a tool to repress its own people while restricting it as a tool for its people to gain knowledge.
I never thought Google or any search engine operating in China should have censored its results. Govt censorship is not only illegal in the US but unconstitutional in China too although the Chinese Govt frequently ignores its own Constitution when it comes to human rights. Google did a lot of harm by censoring its Chinese language search engine but this is a good step that they will no longer censor it. Of course, China may then force Google out of the country but that may be the price to pay for standing up for important principles like freedom of speech. Chinese, Tibetan & Uighur dissidents have long been the subject of hacking & virus attacks by the PRC Govt. The Chinese Govt doesn't want information to flow freely on the internet, so they censor domestic websites & hack or attack foreign websites that promote human rights in China, Tibet & Xinjiang.
Standards. Principles. Ethics. Freedom.
How dare China do that. They are such bullies.
google should stand up to them by staying.
Yes, get out of China......Google......
Google should consider the very real possibility that other governments have the capacity to do the same thing, if it has not already done so. I think Google should send a broadcast message or similar announcement to all its email users toi the effect that: all users need to be aware that it is possible that their emails may be being read by the Chinese government or other world governments. Beyond that as long as Google continues to do its best to maintain security it has done its job. After all the service is free to users. There are too many others in China that are using Google for it to be shut down. I wouldn't want it shut down if Google announced that the US government or another government had attempted to hack it or already done so. I accept the responsibilities of having access to Google – a free service to me and the fact that I must now assume that my emails may be being read.
Absolutely. This is absurd. What year is this? Its time for China to join modern times.
Limiting free speech is not the path to go down, how many times must history prove this?
The world needs to STOP bowing down to China due to it's cheap goods, but LOUSY human rights record. Rise up Chinese people and rebel!
of course they should leave china, but as long as china continues to own nearly 25% of the US's debt, it's not really going to make a difference.
i'm putting my money on only 1% of my fellow "outraged" commenters actually being aware of that little fact. it's a big factor in why our shiny new "for the people" administration is selectively blind to china's continuing human rights violations.
Yes America is selling its sole to the commies.
Google, leave China. Google supports the 5th ammendment.
Google originally agreed to trade profits for "not-so-free speech". Why change now? Unfortunately this posturing now is just PR (unless the profit scenario has changed). I wonder if the Chinese people derive value from censored Google but that concern is obviously not a priority for either the Chinese communists or Google. Who's got the Chinese people's back? Nobody.
Yes. I think all of our US companies should leave China.
Yes, pull out.
It's time China joined the 1st world in thought as well as in finance and understand that people who have the power of free speech are not automatically bad or against their government.
they should.....once the people of china feel the isolation of not having access to certain websites and search engines..maybe they;ll get the balls to stand up to censorship by the chinese governments..........
I hope this is not a "bluff" from Google. I really want to see Google out of China.
they shouldn't restrict/censor search results. if government is not ok with it, then yes, leaving is better decision
Yes, leave China! Censoring the internet is absolutely ridiculous and should not happen anywhere. Freedom to have access to information is a pillar of democracy. Censoring the internet and hunting down human rights activists seems like a Nazi tactic. It's just sad that many Chinese citizens do not have access to much of what the rest of the world does. The Chinese government is obviously scared of what might happen if its people know too much. Google get out now!
I think its a bold statement for Google to pull out, however considering how big the Chinese Economy is Google stands to lose a big dollar. Thankfully we see that Google care more about trust than money. Google could be the one thing that keeps the world in balance, think about the benefit of google apps and all their services. I think we are better off not sharing with the an audacious country that happens to hold the most US debt.
Google should release the required censorship imposed by the Chinese government.
They should NOT pull out of China, but at the same time they should lift the censors there. Stick it to the Chinese government by making it easy for every Chinese person with computer access to make their own informed decisions about their government.
Yes! The Chinese do not respect international laws on human rights, patents, freedom of speech, ect. The Chinese government is smiles at you while trying to steal your wallet, government secrets, ect. The Chinese can not be trusted!!!!!!!! Good for Google!
It is great to know that a "Large American" is standing up and recognizing that the country of China is treating it's citizen badly. And the USA is not doing it's job to stop it. Thanks Google for showing some "Guts". Please, Please, Please pull out of this"treat your people any kind of way" country. It is amazing that many countries are not speaking up on this. It is not a do or die that everything has to be in China. This is not a humane society, be done with them.
Don't be naive! Pulling out of China won't accomplish anything for human rights. However, claiming that one of the biggest companies in the world (Google Inc.) will close its doors to the chinese market is a good bargaining chip! Google is taking the right course of action, which puts diplomacy first!
Boycott chinese goods?? LOL...as great as that would be we all would completely shutdown. i'm sure the very keys we are all typing on are made in china, the glass you are drinking your coffee from is made in china, the chair you are sitting on is made in china..90 % of everything in your home is made in china. the other 10% is made in some other country. fortunately we have the ability make our own dish soap and toilet paper in the US.
Bravo. It's about time they got a backbone with China. Too bad it took this event for them to decide Chinese civil rights are more important than Chinese yuan. I feel like probably they always disliked having to bite their tongue and go against the company motto of "Don't Be Evil", but up to this point they have let money silence those concerns.
Absolutely they should leave China... we need to sever as much from them as we can. We should buy back everything they have managed to buy on U.S soil and get them completely off our continent.
No. Without Google email, the underground movement loses a method of communication. That would be a win for the Chinese government.
Why did they go to China in the first place? Why did this business – the business of supplying information – agree to censorship to begin with. This entire adventure in China must have gone against their business acumen. They should have known that China would use it to further the communist party in every possible way imaginable and censor anything that stood in the way. Surely they must have had some reservations to begin with. Maybe they were hoping that getting a foot in the door would help the free flow of information in this partially closed society. They were wrong. The Chinese government cares about the Chinese government only. Have you ever noticed that they don't have foreign policy? Their foreign policy only deals with peacekeeping missions originating from the United Nations. They could care less if terrorist blow up the world as long as China is still intact. Their government officials are self-serving and Google should have known that. All they would have had to do is Google China.
Why can't Google be the "Radio-Free Europe" of present technology? Let Google be the "Free Internet of China" and Islam. Get some cahonies Google. Be the one product that China hasn't turned into crap.
Wait till the world sees what they're going to do with Volvo and the other companies they've sucked up. Quality departments all over the world are being ground to a halt because everything coming out of China has to be 100% inspected.
Yes Google, leave that Communist Country now. They don't even respect their own people, you know they won't respect us. They are as Anti-American as you can get and America is stupid to think otherwise.
So like Nixon Google went to China. I say stay and stick it to them in a googlish fashion. Dont be short sighted guys its interaction with companies like Google that has changed China for the better. So what that those in power are showing thier true colors. These type people do not change they only fade away and unfortunately way too slowly. We have our own simular type leaders in the US. Pateince will win the day for all of us eventually given enough time. The important thing is to keep the social pressure up and Google has excelled at this task. Maybe now the leadership at Google will take the gloves off and slide in some periodic open unfiltered internet access from time to time just to spice things up. Ask yourself this. Would you want to get into an E War with the guys at Google? Talk about waking a sleeping GIANT.
China is itching to take over the world as a major economic player. Let them get their own version of Google, see how that goes.
If their export standards are any indication of its success, they'll get laughed out of the market.
Go Google! That's the way to pust for the rights of the individual–our government can only do so much, but with corporate America as a partner, it shows that the US is operating as one team in this area.
China is no respector of intellectual or any other kind of property. The rest of the world walks on tippy toes while they shove american business green down our own throats. The US currently possesses perfect first strike capability.
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!! Its time we stood up to China. They poison us with their products (wallboard, toys, etc.).
Absolutely Arrogance and hypocrisy !!!
Right now, the US's troops are killing thousand of peoples both in Iraq and Afghanistan same time and many woman & Children died, but google never say anything about their human right!!!
Is their life cheaper than American? is they just a few numbers in google's mind? Absolutely Arrogance and hypocrisy !!!
On the other hand, if google lose china market, it will lose half of world market in next 10 years as china has already are biggest market in the world and will continuly growth in next 10 years.
One more, in china, there also are ohter search Search Engine provider such as BaiDu,yahoo etc. And now, Baidu has almost 70% of market share in china, google only has 20+%. who will win?
Last, google is a comapny,although it big enough, but it also is a "company"! It is a very stupid decision that cooperate with Gov or even CIA to force china to change itself. Google will definitely lose this way as it is not a proportionate player in this "game" as a "company".
Leave as soon as possible. That's the right decision.
Yes. Absolutely they should leave China. Censorship of any kind is terrible, but against human rights is deplorable. I worked in China for many years for a US based company...I walked away from a great job to get myself out of China. I wish other companies would standup to the Chinese the way Goggle is.
We are the people of the United States of America. We stand for freedom of speech and thought and the right to privacy. Our companies should reflect our national aspirations. We cannot support regimes, internal or external, that would jeopardise these rights.
Personall i think that if the country can't allow their residents to browse the internet freely without restrictions Google shouldn't be available. A search engine limited to random restrictions is no engine at all.
Yes, they should leave and they shouldn't have been there in the first place. Basically we're allowing them to continue in the state they are by being there on their rules. If they don't have the technologies and conveniences other advanced countries have, their people will want these conveniences and fight harder for change. Basically by being there as is these Corporations are becoming enablers for this cancer to exist and spread.
I do believe that Google should and will stand up to the Chinese Government, which is behind this 2nd attack now. However, to look at both sides of the coin.....Google is creating jobs for the Chinese and obviously suppling the Chinese people, who are fighting for Human Rights, the ability to attempt to do that. I don't know, it is a hard decision.
YES! It should have done so a long time ago. As China joins center stage as a world power, it must learn to respect the rights of its' citizens. Freedom is the birthright of all humans. Google's role as the leading provider in the free (in all senses of the word) has been poorly carried out in China. It is now clear that this country is not capable of respecting the most basic rights and Google must not position itself as a pawn in this loosing game.
Not only should Google leave China, but also any American owned business should leave. American companies are there to help the Chinese people and make more money. In turn it has damaged America.... Also take into consideration all of the products that have contained some sort of poisonous substance that came from China and went to the US. Personally, it seems as if China is trying to kill off the United States from the inside by using our companies, and making poisonous products which are sent back here. All of these companies that have gone there have taken away many jobs from American's and crushed the American Dream for countless numbers of people, it is sad because it all comes down to someone at the top making more money.
By the looks of these postings, it looks as though Google is the only one who thought going to China would be a good idea. Now they are in bed with the Chinese government smoking cigarettes and singing communist censorship songs.
Reply: Clo Jones
China has already got their own version of Google, Call "BaiDu".
As I know, BaiDu has almost 70% of market share in china, google only has 20+%. And most of chinese said that Baidu is better than google.
So is chinese people lose anything? NO.
And soon, they will forget google........................
Pauly is 100% on the money.
Google isn't even the top search engine in China; Baidu is a Chinese company that censors much more than Google because they're all buddy-buddy with the government. I agree with the people who are saying that it would be courage for Google to stay in China. The government wants them to leave. And yes, for the most part I believe American companies should stop chasing cheap labor and get out of China, but Google is different. Rather than producing crappy goods for next to no pay and bringing them over here, Google is providing information to people who can attempt and often succeed at working around the limitations. Who cares if they profit? Even a non-evil company has to make money to stay alive. I say Google should stay, and I'll support them 100%
I absolutely think Google should no longer censor their site in China. If China kicks them out because of that, then so be it.
If Google cannot provide their services with the ethic and integrity, to which they espouse, they should leave China.
Compromising on ethics and integrity is a slippery slope, on which Google has already collapsed by allowing China to censor their searches.
First of all, Goggle will never leave China. Its an too important market for Goggle to withdraw from and it would open up for Yahoo and Microsoft, which Google will never allow for.
Secondly, for the chinese people, having a somewhat censored google is ten times better than having no google at all. In-forming is one of the most important tools for a future chinese democracy. peace out.
Human right?? That's funny!
The US's troops are killing thousand of peoples both in Iraq and Afghanistan, if google has "morals", they should pull out of US !!!
So is this world fair enough????
Take China for every dollar you can, Google. They will censor their citizenry anyways, and the best way to initiate change is by providing their citizens as much access to external products as possible. Think long-term, not short-term.
Yes they should. Also, i feel that we should boycott chinese goods. Chinese food is good tho. – coming from someone considered a liberal
China only remains a global power so long as the world consumes theirs goods and services. Until the masses boycott all things Chinese they will continue to do as they please as the funds to do so will be there. Would you stop shopping at WalMart to free Tibet? No government will sanction the Chinese – to much money is at stake. It is up to the citizens of the world to remove China's power base using their wallets.
Should google pull out – a complex question. Should google consider not doing business with Chinese businesses – absolutely. No more search results for those companies would be crippling. So if a pull out is accompanied by this type of refusal of service I would agree with it. If they still plan to take "China's" money and provide global service for companies based there, then they are obligated to stay and use those dollars to push for change. By doing that, the Chinese govn't might ask them to leave.
google – don't pull a politically correct "feel good" move on us by just pulling out and still cashing in on China. If you stop doing business in China also stop doing business with companies based in China.
"No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood." -Unknown
Yes, pull out!
The chinees Gov. is blackmailing company's, who want's to do buisiness in China.
This is a situation, which cannot be accepted by the free world!
No one in the free world want's China to become a major player in world trading, with it's toxic product's, and by surpressing it's own people!
It's a shame !!
I commend their courage in standing up to the PRC. If Google had been headquarted in Canada no one would have stood up to them. What I see in this Country, Canada would shock you Americans.
Guys,do you really have the knowledge of china and its government?Say nothing before knowing,please!!!
Yes get the heck out of there
I commend Google for their desicion. In a world ruled by corporate interests, a giant such as Google has more power to make a statement against the violation of human rights that any human rights watchgroup. Google's position is moral, righteous, and sound. Go Google.
Plus, they were getting their butt kicked by Baidu anyway. Great exit strategy.
I was rather impressed with Google during its IPO when it stated its goal "Don't be evil", but quickly disillusioned when it acquised to a oppressive communist regime to going against the very spirit of the internet and censoring content. They are other emerging markets, like India, where Google can make just as much money without losing its soul. Google should use this as a threat to regain its honor.
Yeah, "Ren" is right.
Most of American don't know much about China and even have no basic knowledge of China.
So what they said was absolutely ignorant.
China is trying to exclude it's citizens from the rest of the world!
Maybee, the chineese Gov. should be excluded from the rest of the world!
Stop negotiating with China, stop talking to them, stop trading with them!
Reject any ship's and plane's from china!
Yes! I think Google and all US companies should leave China. It used to be that being an American stood for more than profits. Unfortunately, recent history has shown US companies are more interested in money than people. With all of the underhanded things going on in China (e.g., tainted milk and pet food), I believe it is about time Americans got back to their moral roots.
Should of left a long time ago
YES – I feel sorry for the people of China that they would no longer have access however.
Whimper and walk away. Looks like the Giant defeated the stonethrower here.
Surely Google can create a tool that would get around the issue.
What's the real issue here Google? Are you promoting democracy in China? Yes...big brother is watching in China...so what...
The users can take it upon themselves to create complex coding systems to generate e-mails that can be decoded on the other end.
This is nothing...
Google states "may have to shut down" – there should be no question or hesitation – just do it!
Remember the Divestiture in South Africa? We should do the same, without the US, China would lose a significant consumer. If we encouraged others to follow suit, it may be able to effect a regime change.
I am an investor in Google options and stand to lose a few thousand on Google's decision to re-evaluate its business practices in China. Yet I encourage Google to recognize the inviolable human right of freedom - freedom to think, to learn, to speak, to act, to believe.
Appeasement in business - as in politics - leads to the loss of that which needs to be protected simply because appeasement is recognized as weakness and vulnerability. By appeasing the Chinese government, by being tolerant of what free people should recognize as intolerance, Google violates its own reason for existence - profiting from the free flow of information - and it chokes the right of the Chinese people to think for themselves.
The cynical view that China is simply a money pot for Google and its shareholders removes the moral obligation that Google should feel towards the people with whom it wants to establish a mutually beneficial transaction. Censoring its customers on behalf of an oppressive government makes Google a party to the oppression. This is not merely the violation of a good and decent company policy ("do no evil"), it is a violation of basic human dignity.
Google should stay in China but stop censoring. Openly defy them and see what happens. Maybe the Chinese will have at least a few days of internet freedom, and then China will be the one to expel Google, a definite PR disaster for the "progress minded" Chinese.
"Speak truth, even if your voice shakes." – Ghandi I think
I love that Google is leaving China. They should pull out of Russia and India too. As far as I'm concerned US jobs should stay in the US. Our country develops these technologies so we can make life easier and allow information to be publicly accessible. Countries like China that want to control what their citizens are allowed to watch and read shouldn't be afforded the opportunity to work at our companies.
Google as well as most other US companies should pull out fo China and stop giving away our technology. ALSO, US universities should stop educating students that will return to their countries with knowledge that will beat us into the dirt.
Google should not leave. An intelligent user in China will miss out on on opportunity to skirt what is otherwise an inpenitrable wall of censorship. Google should stay and work out a way that information can be shared and gained in covert ways by intelligent Chinese users. Without Google, and sites like it, Chinese individuals will have a much more difficult time getting and sharing good information. Knee jerk reactions are rarely effective and more often detrimental to good causes.
China has probably already stolen what it needs from Google anyway to augment it's own "search" engine. I would feel sorry for the Chineese populace, as they will be loosing a window to the outside world, but they are the ones that are responsible for RED China so it's hard to feel sorry for them. Companies that sleep with thieves should expect to get ripped off.
ITS THERE COMP. THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT..
Google is the vehicle of free thinking. It should NEVER have submitted to China's demands for censorship. Get out of Dodge now!
sure..pull out but just a FYI, Google is not the only internet company (search engine) in the world. It may disappoint some people out there but China won't be devastated without Google but the same may not be true the other way around.
Yes, absolutley! I think it's time to set a sign and other companies should go the same way! Get out of China!!!
Yes they should leave. China has no morals and does not play by the rules.
It's about time google remembered their own motto: Don't Be Evil.
If working in China means they have to allow the government there to phish for information on political activists, then yes, they should pull out.
YES!! And Americans should not purchase any Chinese made products.
I am a Chinese but I support Google!
It is great what they are doing. Im proud of Google and their efforts to stop this nonsense.
And for a fact (I will not say say how though) they WILL not go back to China after these events unless they they reconsider their censorship.
A lot of hardwork was put into solving these problem, they will not want to go back to having to sort it out again
Yea right, Get real, 90% of what you own is chinese made (including the flag of your respective countries) ..
Google never had a big enough impact on china and hence could never earn enough money. It could only manage a mere 10 – 13% ..
If you really think you could survive without china then take off all your clothes, forget the computer and the laptops you are working on .. oh yea including the desks and the chair .. and the car you drive back home .. infact the home itself .. every one in four is a chinese so there goes 25% of your family as well :)
Do it their way or GET LOST! the message is clear.
HA! Google, brave defender of human rights, BAH! As if the Chinese govt's record wasn't enough to preclude doing business with them in the first place! HA! PR crap, period.
To be fair, my beef is with the chineese government, not the people. I would love to see a strong prosperous benevolent China. While I understand the difficulties of moving such a large, poor population into the modern world in a land with a poor resource base, think the time is rapidly approaching where the CCP needs to spell out it;s thinking regarding eventual democracy and a mroe representative people oriented government. The devils bargain the US started with Nixon was we would offer them economic growth at our own expense on the basis that as markets devloped, freedom would as well. The people of China are already calmoring for rights. The question our government and the googles face is doe sour assitance enable the dictatorship, undermine it, or seek to transform it. That should be the basis of our decision making and Google's. Not knee jerk reactions. To be fair at presnet they steal our technology and know how, undervalue their currency, and then attack us electronicly, with trade, and spy on us constantly. Google should think long and hard about the pros and cons of any decision and "don't be evil". Not being evil involves looking at the big picture over time. not just knee jerking every situation.
It's about time! They never should have censored in the first place.
Google SHOULD NOT leave. Leaving is the short term, easy way out. Mark Twain once said, "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." Likewise, foreign trade has always been the key weapon in breaking down ignorance and oppression in a country. Google has always been the American freedom fighter in China. If all the oppressed decide to take off and leave the country, who is there left to fight for freedom?
Yes, pull out of China.. The government of any nation has the right to set limits and laws. Whether we agree with them or not, it is the law in that country... As they say "When in Rome do as the Romans do".
I do not agree with their laws or their censoring,but I am not in that country. What I feel or want or like means nothing to them.
So, do the right thing, walk away from a bad thing. Google should provide the best searches and email protection in all the countries that would open its boarders to them.
Does anyone honestly believe the Chinese government would have one second of remorse if Google left the country?
Nobody should do business with China until its leaders learn that they CANNOT run roughshod over everyone else. Their human rights record is appalling and it would appear that only a small number of the population are capable of accepting the way of the modern world. I have worked in China and found it quite appalling just how many people not only put up with the way they are treated, but stick up for their oppressors. It is a shame that those who can think in a "free" way will suffer, but the people need to learn that they have to fight for their own rights and not sit quietly and let the rest of the world do it while they keep quiet.
The way in which the Chinese treated Akmal Shaikh was appalling and what made it worse was the way in which they paid no respect to anyone who tried to compromise with them.
If we continue to pander to them, they will never learn. The modern business world is predominantly an online arena. If we snub them online they will HAVE to reconsider their backwards ideas.
Without a doubt they should pull out of China. However, for those thinking we should boycott Chinese products: Try looking at what you're buying on a daily basis that's imported from China. Many blame the US Government for its pandering to China, but let's not forget, we support China and send a message every time we buy something.
Google should not be shared with the Chinese state. They are still communists at the root of their beliefs. At one time we as Americans wouldnt even have given this a thought. I fear the world is in tailspin that will have no end for a very long time.
No, Google should not censor search results and NO! Google should NOT leave China! This is OUR worlds internet, they cant censor the largest library ever assembled in world history! STAY IN CHINA, and DO NOT CENSOR search results!
Certainly. Chinese people have to stand against their government's policies.
No this is like RFE and they should keep their site open to give the Chinese people the right to gain access to information of the Globe. Maybe they can build blocks to keep the government from tracing the addresses of the human rights activists.
Absolutely, yes!!! The reason I do not EVER use Yahoo -they turned in info on an activist to the Chinese government and he ended up in jail. Read it on CNN. If the world doesn't stand up to China, no one will be able to in the future.
I think Google is using this as an excuse to leave China. Google is not the top search engine in China and hasn't been for many years. Baidu.com has been kicking Google butt as the top search engine for many years now.
All the top search engines in China experience hacking. What do you expect from a country that graduates 12 times the number of engineers a year than the US.
Instead of just admitting that they don't staff enough quality internet security engineers, Google is just using it as an excuse to bow out of a market where Baidu.com and Sohu.com consistently have better search results for Chinese users.
The Chinese government has a long history of oppression against human rights activists and its citizens whose beliefs are not in line with the communist government (i.e. Falun Gong). We are supporting the communist government of China by purchasing the goods produced there, not to mention the potential harm we are doing to ourselves by using products that aren't manufactured with the standards used in the U.S., not to mention that we are sending jobs to a communist country!
Mr. Google, tear down this firewall.
Yes, pull out of China. Let Chinese companies take over the place and market. It's like Chinese people desperately need Google as a "high tech" service. You Americans are too arrogant. You always say "ye, we are good, we are good". I will ask "oh, really?"
Get your own ass cleaned before blaming others. If you really want human right, go and ask those Iraq people "Do you hate Americans?"
I hope my words are not FILTERED ACCIDENTALLY by CNN.
SURE, Feel free and brave.
I think that Google should cease operations in China. However, I think that they should do it very deliberately and reiterate why the internet requires no censorship.
I think standing against censorship is absolute the right thing. However, how come quitting from China becomes a sign of bravery ? The Chinese government DID NOT invite Google to be there in the first place, and Google went to China in order to make some profit there. Now they are declaring their failure...isn't it actually indicating surrender & humiliation?
I am inclined to agree with the postings of Christopher and Chris above; however it is fun to hear the liberal "things" comments as usual.
About time someone stood up to the Chinese government. Why should an American company stand for censorship?
Yes, they should leave and we should starting looking for "american made "items.
But then on the other side China owns part of the USA anyways and most loans are thru China.
yup, google is meant for a free society, free democracy and FREE speech. LEAVE China, the people there are not free. A country that executes people for tax evasion or for traficking drugs, should not have the amenities of the free world, quite opposite they should be sanctioned
So much hate is expressed on these forums, and everyone seems to be a "China" expert. I sincerely wish half of the people that post on here thinking they understand the deep socioeconomic and political intricacies of China at least have visited the country.
Let me begin by saying that my grandpa was a colonel in the Nationalist Army in the Chinese civil war. After the communists took over, Grandpa was sent to the farms during the cultural revolution to be "reformed". The China that everyone is describing is a China from that era ~1960-1990.
Today, China is a completely different country. Is china a democracy or republic like Western countries? No. Far from it; however, China is a country that is thriving on capitalism alongside a state run economy.
The Chinese government does fear what its people can access on the internet, and try to uphold moral high ground (the majority of firewalled sites are actually porn sites.) Access to things like Tian An Men Square incident are banned. The government should NOT do such things; however, as an individual that has lived in China, you can go out onto the street and curse the Chinese government, and no one would care. People in China are not going to revolt or “stand up” because they are comfortably living a good life. The per capita income is low; however, there are no famine. The government has come a long way since the 1960s cultural revolution and China is actually a strong country now.
Google might have the moral high ground in this situation; however, it is rarely noted that google market shares in China has been slowly plummeting the past 3 years. From 30+% to barely under 20% of market share now with Baidu holding the majority. This is going to hurt Chinese, the Chinese government much less than people thinks.
“Netizens” like myself blame the government for many things including corruption and abuse of power; however, in the grand scheme of things the Chinese system has been one of the most reformed and successful transitions from totalitarian rule to a semi free market economy. This transition will continue; however, to expect China to turn into the U.S. over night will fail. Look at the economic transition that Russia has gone through in the 1990s the full privatization. Only until crude prices has gone up has the Russian system actually recovered
In summary, is the Chinese system flawed? Yes it is. Is it as bad as everyone on these posts make it sound, not at all. China is a free country, people don’t get rounded up for “thought” crimes. This is from movies that you see. Thank you
I'm pretty sure Google is pulling out of China because they haven't been able to make strides in getting ppl in China to use google in the first place. To make it look like they're not failing in usership, they're saying they're pulling out for censorship reasons.
YES! China has made it known over and over again that they do not want to play in a global sandbox, so leave them. Sooner or later, the people of China will demand change.
Well, If you don't like the law, get lost.
Let's see who will lose big.
Western companies are so greedy and will compromise their core principles for money. The Chinese government knows this greed and they exploit it to their advantage. They are getting the world trapped in their economy. Google should not have allowed censorship in the first place. Any country which thinks it can do business with China is shooting itself in the foot. The Chinese don't play fair and as they get stronger they will care even less what the west thinks.
Yes, I do know China, Chinese and the Chinese government. As a matter of fact, I am Chinese, living in USA. I have been pro-Chinese government for long time for their economical achievement, however, events happen for the past years gradually changed my view toward that government. So, for all the people who think the human rights, idological prosecution "will no happen to me", think again. The government may not arrest you and your family today, it may not drive you out of your house today, it may not confisicate your propertiy today. It will do it some day, it will do it to somebody who is your family, friends. We need to send a strong message towards their arrogance. The Chinese government think because they are now very rich, the world is begging their mercy. What should we do, people?
YES... IT IS TIME WE ALL STAND UP TO COMMUNIST CHINA..THEY TREATING THEIR PEOPLE IN-HUMANE
I find most of the comments displayed on this site irritating. There are a lot of problems with China, obviously, but unthinkingly declaring idiotic statements like "boycott all Chinese goods" and "oh goody pull out of China, Google" are thoughtless comments said without any consideration to what the consequences would be – for Google, for the Chinese government, and for the Chinese people. Obviously there would not be a big an impact as there would be elsewhere as Chinese people generally use Baidu more than Google anyway, but do not think for one moment that this will change the Chinese government's ways, or accomplish anything positive. This would only serve to detriment the common Chinese person's usage of the Internet.
As someone actually LIVING in and FROM China, I feel I have a particular right to address this issue. Perhaps sitting from behind your screen in America or other relatively uncensored and free countries you can feel brave and suggest impossibilities in complete ignorance.
Google should exit and stop doing business in and with China since the 'Chinese-induced censorship model' does not work with Google's overall worldwide business model.
Chinese authorities needs to understand that they need to play nicely with the rest of the world, and NOT use its presumed emergence as a world power as a bully pullpit. What the Chinese leadership perceives as their aspirations on the world stage is not in fact the true aspirations of the Chinese people.
Google finally backs up its do no evil motto. This is great news. If the Chinese Govt. wants to become an international player it needs to stop behaving like it's in the dark ages. Whats even better is that google is viewed internationally as a Model Company– If China wants to play hardball with the likes of Google its only going to add to the egg on the govt's face. Google Rocks!
is our own government monitoring tons of phone calls and emails at the same time? Google is overreacting. Do business in another country, follow the rules there!
What a refreshing change of pace. A company actually considering making a business decision based on principle rather than money or should I say the Yuan. It has been the obsessive pursuit of money at the expensive of everything else that has led the United States to be the leading exporter of air (empty sea containers). My hat off to the executives at Google for putting this option on the table. My only hope is that they follow through with it and take a step towards reestablishing business morals.
yes, yes, yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes leave china Mr.google
DO IT NOW
Yup, they need to leave China and never look back. Hey USA wake up, they don't give a hoot about us.
The Chinese government ALWAYS lies. They are only concerned with their image and maintaining control. They have no problem lying, stealing, or murdering to keep control. They have NO honor, never had it, never will. China will never be a friend to the west or the US. China see the US government as gullible fools it can manipulate and lie to at will to get its way.
I think we need to isolate the Chinese, take back all our manufacturing jobs, arm Taiwan to the teeth, and reneg on all the Treasury notes they hold.
It cudnt get better than this!!! Chinese deserve this treatment,,, Google way to go!!! Kick them out of your network!!!!
GOOGLE, and Apple (parts and the computers are assembled there) and General Motors, and every other large US-based corporation should leave.
yes. google should boycott china.
hats off to Google. At least it has guts to stand up to China. Wish whole world does the same and isolate China. Restrict their internet access as a whole and then they will understand why information should flow freely. Their idea of free information is "We want free information flow across the world but once it hits china land, we will filter it and only allow certain things to flow every thing else goes into thrashbin".
This is wrong.
World, stand up to China like google.
100% positivley LEAVE! There are more important things in life than the almight dollar. Protect human rights first.
Do it now!
China does not need Google!
I think that, not only should Google pull out of China, I think we should no longer deal with imported products from them. They seem to think that they are more intelligent than we are. Then why do they continue to make products filled with poison. Children's toys full of lead paint and poisonous metals and God knows what else. Good for Google!!
Google will not leave China, this is pure a business related decision. In china, most people use Baidu, and google is struggle just to keep their market share in China.
I do feel that Google do have the rights to leave, but just remember, if you decide to leave, don't ever go back..... which i doubt they can do that, how can they resist 1.4billion people market. be realistic here.
Everyone knows we should not outsource jobs to another country, and it is all the out source which led by Bush that led us to this economy situation, but do we see any changes? i still hear someone from india or china whom i can not really understand answering our phone calls to dell, HP, etc and etc. I maybe off topic, but the point i am trying to make is, i don't think google will leave china, and even if they do, they will go back. Corporate Greed will dictate everything
I agree that "Money is Money". The truth is Google couldn't stand up to its competition, a Chinese search engine named "Baidu". It doesn't really matter for the Chinese whether Google pulls out or not.
Most people in China use Baidu anyway. But Google can take their business elsewhere if they want.
(Disclaimer: That doesn't mean I approve of China's government).
After China opened the door to the west, US companies faced a test: Is money most important or the interests of people in China, US and the world more important? Unfortunately, almost all US companies have been failed in this test, which caused and will cause many problems in China, US and the world. Hope Google can lead a good example from this point.
Yes! absolutely. It is time someone stands before China
Google is a company, China is a nation the includes a fifth of all of the people on the earth. Google has no responsibility for the health and stability of China – its government does. While conflicts with the rest of the world surely will change China, GET A LIFE – the government and people of China will decide how to implement technology that affects its culture. Google is an outside actor, and a corporate actor, not a mediator of China's development.
Google should not leave China. Despite agreeing to censorship, I believe that there is a lot of good a company like Google can do in China in order to promote democracy and free speech. China is still a growing nation, and many Americans seem to forget that. They also do not see the reasoning behind censorship and the Chinese government's attitude toward its citizens. We see China on America's terms, but we do not see them on Chinese terms. Yes, it is our belief that the unalienable rights we hold so strongly are not just an American thing, but we say that with the knowledge that we are a strong, developed nation.
I say give China some time (but continue the pressure) to allow it to grow to become a great nation in its own way. We cannot expect everyone to follow in our footsteps. America certainly does not have its hands clean in history, and we are not necessarily the most free country on earth, and that's okay. We're not meant to be just yet.
Google should continue doing business in China. If it gives up 1.3 billion customers, what will that say for the bottom line?
I think Google should most definitely NOT pull out of China. That doesn't do anyone any good. It doesn't help Google, it doesn't help the Chinese government, and it certainly doesn't help all the Chinese internet users in China.
Just giving a glance at the comments I've seen, someone said "BOYCOTT CHINESE GOODS". Who're all of you ranting at? The Chinese government, who makes up a tiny portion of the Chinese people, or all Chinese citizens?
The Chinese people hate censorship, they hate a lot of regulations set by the government, and they love Google. Don't mistakenly mix government and people up together just because they make up one nation.
Yes indeed! Dump them like a bad habit!
Google is finally doing the right thing by refusing to allow censorship by the Chinese government. Hurrah! If they won't allow anything but censorship than Google should pack up and leave!
They should definitely pull out. A search engine as vast and as popular as Google cannot be censored... there's no point in having one otherwise. Besides, China needs to come to terms with the modern mainstream ideals floating around. If the Chinese gov. continues, there will probably be a major revolution. It'd be about time considering how long monarchies have reigned in China.
GO GOOGLE! at last a company is standing up to the EVIL Chinese government that is spreading their tainted products and EVIL ideology around the world!!
YES. this is a good decision.
I think Google should stay in China, if only in respect for Maos people.
Yes they should pull out, as well as all the other companies we have there, with the paint poisoning of kids toys and now the poisoning of the jewelry charms, what more will we put up with before we tell them we have had enough....
Yes, Google should leave and in that process initiate the self-destruct sequence or "SDS" to assure Google technology is not further pirated. I feel Google has more then bent over backwards to accommodate this governments forced IT culture and now a government denied China sponsored cyber attack. Come on!
Howard Schmidt – Are you watching this event?
This is practice for state sponsored cyber criminals and as they say, "Practice makes perfect"
Yes, Google should leave China, You have to be equally yoked. In other words, Google is a company who resides where the government values human rights and China is a country where human rights are violated by the government.
Communisum Will always lose! Support Freedom! Support Capitalism! The freedom to own one's own Business! Google shouldn't leave google should stand up to china until they are kicked out!
Don't be mistaken, I don't support nor condone the actions of the Chinese government.
But at the same time I'm still waiting for the day Americans get off their self-righteous high horse and finally realize the West had a direct hand in creating what China is today.
Go read some history. If you're unhappy with the way China is today, maybe you should ask your government(s) what/why they did in the past to make China the way it is today.
China today is a result of Western imperialism in the past.
I'm really proud of Google. Perhaps other companies and organizations will follow suit and stand up to China's brutal communist oppression instead of continuing to let them do whatever they want just because they have a lot of money.
This is funny. Like google's leaving is a bad thing for China. How do you know? Maybe this is exactly what Chinese government wants.
Yes. It may seem dramatic, but I still don't trust China and with their human rights policies I find it easy to see them as an 'evil' empire.
Note: Of course, our own recent policies (monitoring citizens, Patriot act, etc.) are taking us in the wrong direction too. Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? No, perhaps not, but its getting closer.
YES!!!!!! Google needs to leave China and let them know that we are not going to tolerate Tyranny on any level! Anyone who disagrees, go live in China!
Yes, Google should not sensor in any country for anyone. If China wants help from anyone they need to treat their people with the compassion and respect they deserve and stop harassing Tibet and other civil rights activists.
Don't be evil means acting with integrity – doing what is right.
You will lose money, but principle trumps profit.
Not only Google, but Yahoo and Micorsoft should also leave CN. As far as "BOYCOTT CHINESE GOODS", I agree %100 . I can not find a quality and reasonable lasting product any more since most of them made in China. My friends and relatives have been laid off for jobs moved to China, and no new jobs have been created to replace them. We should not support any country that does not care or cooperate with the world around them. US corporations should consider other factors beside money only.
I think that Google should either leave China altogether, or, if
not, totally abolish censorship of the kind that it has up to this
point rather despicably implemented.
Google stands both to retrieve its ethical standing and to set
a standard that other search engines employed in China may
then feel compelled to meet.
If Google does stay in China, it should escalate its investigative
efforts and if at all possible ascertain the source of this, any
future invasion of its software, its security. It should use whatever
it learns about any such invasion ruthlessly and completely.
So far, the Chinese leadership has issued no statement, and one
can only imagine the happy face that that group of saints shall
bestow on having been caught, pardon, red handed.
I do not like Communist China, period. That for context.
Way To Go Google!
You're doing the right thing by stopping censorship! Wish you hadn't given in to it in the first place!
Do your best to STAY in China without censorship. Perhaps an offshore pirate operation is possible.
Yes. Absolutely. Doing business in China is the same as helping Hitler massacring Jews, in this case the Communist to the Chinese people.
People in western, please get some spine, stand up to the evil empire. Or you will be next.
Youtube, facebook, twitter, imdb, blogger, etc... have already been blocked by CHN Government, what's the point of surfing the internet?
Not Google, not this time! Com'on! I can't survive without you, please don't leave us.
Google should have done this a long time ago. Their original policy of "do no harm" was harming human rights. Yes they will lose revenue – you can't put a dollar value on Human rights
Yes, leave China. Google is an Democratic Company it should be consistant across the board.
Google should not be established in any area that is run by a corrupt and criminal government. China being at the top of the list and perhaps even Mexico!!!
"Don't be Evil, Google" You do just fine without associated to Communist Chineses !!! I will buy Google phone for your courageous stand-up – Down with Dictatorship, Censorship. Long live Fredoom, Google !
Yes I do! The China is a threat for the world and US.
Yes, stand up to PRC repression of free speech.
Absolutely google should leave. It's brilliant that they call the Chinese governments bluff and say that they will no longer censor their results. China's government has long maintained that they don't censor, though everyone knows they do.
Also, Google doesn't really need china – Google made over 22 $billion last year and of that, only a little more than $600 million was from China, the largest internet market in the world. Google is finding out that the price is too high to stay in China, and I hope this is the beginning of many companies leaving China.
To the Chinese government, this move by Google is a huge slap in their face and I think its about time someone fought back against this brutal totalitarian dictatorship.
Funny – countries with oil slaughter their own citizens the west "must take action" – when its China, its "constructive engagement and commerce". Damn straight Google should get out, along with all other western businesses.
i say dont leave..
Google should leave China... then it should leave the USA.
We could all learn a lesson here: doing business with an intolerant government that continually suppresses it's people is wrong. The only way to affect change is for all of us to say enough is enough and stop sending our dollars and business there.
It's time the for the Chinese people to be liberated and the responsibilty of all free people and nations to help China's people become so.
I hope Google does not back down.
The reason of the Chinese Censorship is not only political, bur also economical
All their policy is directed to benefit that upper 10-15% of the population, and intentionally maintain the other 85% at basic salary level between $ 50-60 the MONTH outside the big cities, where nearly all exporting factories are sited. So they can inundate the world with cheap goods, helped by greedy US and Western companies which
transfer MANUFACTURING AND THEIR TECHNOLOGY TO China.
Additionally, they get Technology through a gigantic espionage ring
by immigrants and 1st generation Chinese-Americans, most of
them forced by menaces to their families still in China (which are able to get in positions where the Technology is accessible by the US anti-discrimination policy)
SO, IF A CENSURE FREE GOOGLE IS WORKING IN CHINA and in Chinese, sooner or later the 85% poor will realize what their pseudo-communist regime (which combine the drawbacks of communism AND Ultra capitalism) is up to!!
SO, GOOGLE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED "FREE SPEECH" AND SHOULD LEAVE A.S.A.P., A HEAVY DUTY SHOULD BE IMPOSED ON THEIR GOODS (WHICH WOULD BRING MONEY IN) AND AS THE IMPORTS IN THE US WILL FALL DRAMATICALLY, THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO SELL THEM MORE US DEBT!
BY THE WAY, OBVIOUSLY THE IMPORTS FROM OTHER 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES WOULD INCREASE, BUT THESE USE THE SO OBTAINED DOLLARS TO PURCHASE GOODS FROM THE US AND OTHER DEVELOPPED COUNTRIES!!
And the drawbacks for the US companies making business in China will be overcompensated by the benefits of the reduced imports
Absolutely, I agree with Google standing up to the Chinese Government on this issue. I also hope that they do pull out of China over this and other issues as well. Perhaps this is the beginning of a new trend in corporate identity with international firms realizing that bending to these kinds of business practices in China it undermines their credibility and marketability in the areas that they already have a strong foothold with their existing consumer base. Look at the backwash Walmart is receiving. I for one am more willing to use a product or service when they publicly take a stand instead of operate under a double standard or get all wishy-washy doing the right thing. If this becomes a trend by US/International Corporations it could start to shift in the US that could affect jobs, imports, and optimism here at home in a positive way.
Yes! China needs to stop hiding the real world from their people.
Great Job Google!!! I support the decision to leave China 110%. If they do leave, watch the domino's fall as others will follow their lead.
yeah, just get out of China, they dont use google, they ues baidu.com anyway.
This is ridiculous for Google to do. Google has been losing to Baidu for a long time now. This could easily be an economic and calculated move to win back sympathy in the west and help save their tattered image. This has little to do with human rights, Google has simply realized that they aren't making as much money as they wish, and are trying to make the best of the situation in China. They know China wont back down, and they knew that they would be seen as heroes of human rights. They are boosting their popularity in the Western World.
Expecting the Chinese Government to suddenly abandon its principals is ridiculous. This will have no effect on China and will not further human rights as well. The government wont care, nor will the people, who generally trust the government at the moment because of their recent economic prosperity.
Dont forget our own government is monitoring our phone calls and emails too.
YES, GOOGLE should leave China, and so should any other business that values its reputation. The Chinese have gotten away w/bullying way to long – it is time more companies stood up and said NO MORE>
pull out now and don't look back!!!
Why leave? I don't see why this Americanized "inhuman" treatment should be a reason to leave. Don't you remember 100 years ago when we were developing? When our economy went from 4 million-124million GDP? Remember the unsanitary conditions of industrial districts where children under the age of 8 were put to work making 10 cents a day? They were to gather loose cotton from underneath the weavers while the machines were running. Many children became maimed and lost limbs before they were 10 years old. Children were forced to carry 200 lb coal carts in the mines, many of which developed lung cancer, light blindness, indented foreheads (they had to tie the carts to their heads), and became hunchback before they were a teenager in a 3×3 pathway. Not to mention the kids and pregnant women are to work endlessly (literally) for 14 hours a day with only sundays off. All for 10 cents a day, the lifespan became about 17 years. All this was only 150 years ago, and i don't see anybody complain about that.
Slavery, child labor, inhumane conditions were all part of the development of the US into an economic superpower.... and so was England, France, other EU nations.
Right now, WTF is so inhumane about China???? Factories have LIMITED working hours, minimum wage enough for workers to make a living, buy *stuff* that we take for granted and send money back to their families, and they all have leave to visit home. Working conditions are nowhere as near terrible as that of the industrialization of the Western world.
Lemme answer to the other facts of "inhuman treatment"
So far, besides the state recognized religions, other prayers are ALLOWED but NOT ENCOURAGED. YOU WILL NOT BE PERSECUTED FOR PREACHING CHRISTIANITY.
china's developing state requires the stability of the government, therefore this is necessary to prevent anarchy. If ten political groups, animal rights activists, are trying to overthrow the current regime, how is China to develope?
Torture is illegal.
Of 1.5 billion people, with over 80% in poverty, trialling criminals is not going to be easy, especially with such high rates of crime, and people spitting on law enforcement agency. Without arbitrary power, the police force will become absolutly useless.
When the US was developing, we didn't worry about any of these things.
Sure. Google finanlly decides to go with what we called "principle". Business should only be built for the benefits of all parties, not to be used by a government to blindfold its people.
Vincenzo Duke January 13th, 2010 1513 GMT
I love how everyone here is angry at China for its human rights violations when we are missing all of our human rights violations occurring in front of our own eyes.
We are making doing things to ourselves like smoking marijuana etc. a jailable offense. At any point in time 0.75% of our country is in jail or 2 million people. Most of these crimes are non-violent, non-swindling, non-fraud related, etc. If we get arrested for owning a vegetable, that has massive amounts of medicinal purposes, I say that we cannot condemn other governments that are violating their citizens' rights, just in a different way.
I think google should stand up to tyranny. I also think the American people should stand up to what amounts to elements of tyranny within our own country. "Liberty and justice for all" "Land of the free" "No cruel or unusual punishment" "Justice is blind"
All I see is a bunch of people forgetting about our own inalienable rights being alienated, because we have this piece of meet dangling in front of us presented to us by our virtual masters.
Point being, America has lost its way too. Perhaps we should start condemning those that violate rights within our own borders as well?
Tom Chris January 13th, 2010 1548 GMT
Absolutely Arrogance and hypocrisy !!!
Right now, the US's troops are killing thousand of peoples both in Iraq and Afghanistan same time and many woman & Children died, but google never say anything about their human right!!!
Is their life cheaper than American? is they just a few numbers in google's mind? Absolutely Arrogance and hypocrisy !!!
On the other hand, if google lose china market, it will lose half of world market in next 10 years as china has already are biggest market in the world and will continuly growth in next 10 years.
One more, in china, there also are ohter search Search Engine provider such as BaiDu,yahoo etc. And now, Baidu has almost 70% of market share in china, google only has 20+%. who will win?
Last, google is a comapny,although it big enough, but it also is a "company"! It is a very stupid decision that cooperate with Gov or even CIA to force china to change itself. Google will definitely lose this way as it is not a proportionate player in this "game" as a "company".
Just read these guys' posts and
yeah but lets vote on it first,leaving that is ,I mean censorry depravation and editorial control,in full obscene public spectacles,ya know most people have to pay big A # 1 bucks to have that privlidge,leaving,I mean editorial control over others , like in the straights of Hormuz,ya can't hardly say anything on prime tyme anymore,sometymes I "wish,oo,msm media would sensor their colours osi/x instead,maybe , they'll censor this,leaving i,doalive free to gain editorial/thought control with a new and improved even more A # 1 jingoistic subliminal messaging capability, intact as recently seen live on the A.C.M.E. state of the art cultural orgin source
Be true to ourself and don't use "double standards" when talking about China or other countries. China has saved XXXllions dollars for American customers and never under estimate the power of a cheap and well educated labor force. China already has more Ph.D. engineers and scientists than in the US. If you really want to boycott somebody for pleasure, boycott Wal-Mart and be brave about that!!!!
YES, PULL OUT OF CHINA ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER AMERICAN COMPANIES AND BRING THOSE JOBS BACK TO THE USA AND LETS TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN. WITH UNEMPLOYEMENT AT 10% LET'S GET AMERICA BACK ON IT'S FEET. BRING OUR COMPANIES AND THEIR JOBS BACK WHERE THEY BELONG. TO THE GOOD OLD USA.
Absolutely – Good for Google....its' about time someone stood up to the "lack of integrity" Chinese government.......
Also, no more sub-standard products should be allowed in this country from China.........so it costs more for the US to manufacture our own goods – so be it – put Americans back to work...we owe the Chinese nothing!!!
Bravo. Better late then never.
Google is cool; it does what many countries should do! They actually don't have to leave China, it's better to win on this matter. Now China has to choose, it cannot have it all. This is one of the most important issues of the modern world today. China is way too harsh on it's own people, and with them Burma and North Korea as well. Google makes a point, very very good.
It's happy to see a lot of people to give your answer –'Yes' to CNN. This makes me go back to 2001 for the survey of if we need to invade Iraq. Before you open your mouth, please think a little bit. 1. Google went China is for money, not for freedom and democracy, like Wal-mart, Target, GM. Everybody hates Chinese products for whatever reason, but why you don't ask Wal-mart to stop its business with China. Bottom line, how much price you paid for Chinese products when you ask for a good quality?
2. How many people here really know the truth that Google is leaving China, just because of censorship? 3. what's the whole purpose behind this? CNN, this is a question for you. Let American people hate Chinese people and Chinese products? Google can go to moon to do business, you don't need to worry anything. This world is not perfect, you need to face reality and change it step by step. Hate and war can't resolve the issue. 4. By the way, how many people here are using Chinese products? do you still hate Chinese? It has nothing to do with Google and Chinese gov, it's up to you. The biggest losers are Chinese works and American consumers, the real winners are the big importers, like Wal-mart, Target, Please open your eyes to a wide world, we have a lot to learn. Too sad to see a lot of people here to open your mind to CNN without thinking a little bit.
Good luck, Google.
Yes ! definitely. Google shouldn't support any regime that despite the pretense of democracy blatantly violates fundamental rights. The firm is powerful enough to ignore financial considerations in a case like this.
It is a dangerous thing to let someone else tell you what is right and wrong. Google has done the right thing by following their heart. I am very proud of google because it is a costly decision. It is rare to see a corporation make an ethical decision at such a high price. Google is a class act.
Google should definitely leave China. They should not do the business with any communist country (especially China), where there are a lot of laws created but are never excercised if the communist party's members are not financially benefitted from those laws. If Google wants to gain a favor from Chinese government, they must find a way to bribe the key people in the goverment and that is the only way.
get out! get out now! it's a win-win situation...China is a very small part of Google's success
China kills people for opening illegal cyber cafes.
Of course we should pull out! They do not honour our contracts or treaties at all! They have recently stolen firefox code and much much more computer code.
nothing harmful,just get back to america, the world DO NT need us teacher.
if they do not pull our of china, I will find a search engine to use that has a soul.
Yes. It's absolutely important for companies to abide by their principles. I think it speaks volumes about the strength of Google brand.
Google is my favorite corporate empire. They are doing the right thing by allowing freedom and proliferation of information in China. They must stay there and continue perpetuating the conflict between the Chinese government and Chinese human-rights activists.
It seems to me that most of the economic development in the latter years of the 20th century for China, were done on the premise of negligible human rights enforcement. With cheap labor and easy economic expansion, many companies were persuaded to move their industrial bases to China.
It would be a great thing for the rest of the world if China stepped up human rights. If and when these outcries are answered with legislation, companies will be more reluctant to move overseas, keeping our American jobs here at home. Google should stay in China to help American economic convalescence.
Keep fighting with the Chinese official, let them know there are international practice. and educate them what is Internet Freedom.
Google is like a new born 1 year old baby kid. Crying & complaining about getting beaten up by an experienced opponent, a 90-year-old communist party in China, in the game of politics. What is the top goal for Google? Make shareholder happy or Save the World?
From business point of view, as a shareholder, I will say no. Google need Chinese market.
To Save the World, if Google hire more local PhDs from China, it can beat local government hackers. Remember, To Win a Game, You Have Keep Playing.
It seems little while ago, Search Engine based "Dot Com" business wasn't really popular in the World, of course, also in China.
I started to use "Google" since 2004, watching it grows into this monster multi-corpration is an incredible miracle and experience. Something so simple, yet so powerful about information gathering. I am sold to Google.
While others accuse it's information gathering, the very people is watching "Google" or depending on "Google" information to provide results. Irony, it seems, China's Baidu was taking the same approach towards to search enginee business. in their commercial they state:" Why bother to use google when you can use Baidu? We know China, where they can't even understand Chinese." Indeed, they know China, and in line with Chinese Government Censorship Policy. Besides Google, it really becomes that China "Internet" Business is an "INTRAnet" business, "Clean Knife in, Bloody Knife out" business concept is what they are looking for, so it appears.
Google, Save yourself from China's Censorship, Live up your core value of freedom of speech and Freedom of information! The world is bigger place than China, the loss 2% of your business revenue can be restored by your business reputation!
Needless to say any further, YES, you should leave China, Along with your "Google Map"!
interesting.. it's just like a show. A company leaving China just to show a moral standard?? no one believes.
Americans while you're blaming everything in the world another country is rising quietly. Too much complaints (at the same time no more hardworking and innovations) only lead this country to decline quicker.
I think Google should stay! How ironic would it be if the Chinese government was taken down by an American company! On their own soil! After all the email attacks their goverment does to us daily! Go go Google go! Give the Chinese people freedom & let them all search the word DEMOCRACY & FREEDOM in China!
this doesnt do anything, chinese has their own search engine, only 20% of chinese user uses google, 80% of chinese use BAIDU. y would they care?
Sure. Everyone should be leaving. Not because of the people mind you but because of that lame government they have .
It is time the world stops with the hypocrisy -and we are already running late – and stops taking all production to China for "lower costs". The costs might be financially lower but it's clear the human costs (slavery, low wages for the workers, child labor, bad quality products, censoring/state control, environment aggression among others).
In any case, China will eventually break under it's own weight but better sooner than later....
Unfortunately Google leaving will take away the already small glimpse of freedom the Chinese have now...
yes! im glad google is defending its self the people of china will soon relize the govt is wrong!!
too much money in china market, Google will ever never dare to leaving china......just seat tie...... wait until Chinese gov kid the company out of the golden state.
Finally the search giant has realized its mistake aligning w/ the criminals of humanity... all well that ends well...
The power of Lord Buddha will soon destroy this monster, their days are limited. Count my word.
Yes! Google should leave, can't count how many email accounts China has blocked of mine for no reason at all.
I hope they don't drop the Australian portals. Our controlling political masters are also filtering the Internet for our own good.
i think google should stay. let's remember the tiananmen square event... and that was in china! :)
I think that google should keep pressing China to change its stand on free speech on the internet. People should be able to say what they think about their government.
Go Google, go!
I think they should unlock their search engine in China a retaliation for being attacked. Oops! Guess what? People in China have a right to know about Tiananmen Square!!!
Google should stop applying the Beijing Communists censorship rules.
People in china will still have access to Google.com & Google.cn – except as & when it is blocked by the communist regime.
Google doesn't need china.
The West doesn't need communist china.
communist china will collapse without the West to support it economically & technologically – as it did last time it closed shop 40 years ago.
John Smith in china.
Perhaps Google should leave, hold a few dozen hacker contests, and then donate money to small charities that have just coincidently appeared. Suddenly China's proxy servers would be massively DDoS'd and hacked to redirect traffic to uncensored servers located in the various parts of the free world.
Jk, but that is truly despicable if China was hacking human rights activist's accounts. I'm not sure removing Google from China would work all that well though. Only the common people would be hurt, having to use the Internet on china provided search engines only. The corrupt would just use uncensored Internet.
i am from china.
all my friend don't want google leave.
it's a tragedy
I think they should instead of self-censor, but they won't. It would be a very bad business decision for them.
this is really stupid of chinese government to do this, first they shut down face book, twitter and etc, now they are trying to force google out. who the hell does the chinese Government pigs think they are-God? i am completely on google side on this, but don't shut it down because thats what they want you to do. go through a legal battle and put more pressure to the Chinese government
Yes, google should pack up and leave. China doesn't need you. You can't compete over there anyway. It's not about censorship or internet freedom. Nothing wrong for China block porn websites. If you distort fact, trying to confuse blocking porn websites with internet freedom, it is your problem. As a leader in the free world, we have PG-13 rating for movie goers as well. If you want your kids to check out naked women online, go right ahead.
Yes, google should pack up and leave. China doesn't need you. You can't compete over there anyway. It's not about censorship or internet freedom. Nothing wrong for China block porn websites. If you distort fact, trying to confuse blocking porn websites with internet freedom, it is your problem. As a leader in the free world, we have PG-13 rating for movie goers as well. If you want your kids to check out porns online, go right ahead.
Yes, google should pack up and leave. China doesn't need you. You can't compete over there anyway. It's not about censorship or internet freedom. Nothing wrong for China block porn websites. If you distort fact, trying to confuse blocking porn websites with internet freedom, it is your problem. As a leader in the free world, we have PG-13 rating for movie goers as well. If you want your kids to check out nu women online, go right ahead.
I guess I have to change my response to no, because they blocked my last comment from being posted.
Totally agree! Somebody have to show them that they can't do whatever they want just because there's a billion of them!
Google should not pull out of China but should completely lift all political censorship and agitate, agitate, agitate. Shame on Google for kowtowing to Beijing's corrupt rules of censorship and participating in a federal dictatorship bent on denying human rights to its own citizens all in the name of Profit. Since Google seems to have finally grown a conscience it should take this opportunity to try to right a wrong and do everything it can to annoy the petty creeps who run the Chinese government as long as it can.
Yes I think this will be a big lesson for China that they don't control the world. They should pull out of china and stand as a symbol of freedom and human rights.
You have the opportunity to do something for the world that not even nations could do.
Me I'm native chinese people.
I totally agree with Google's actions. It's not business in our china. it's the gov. that making trouble with Google,
Because it is only google that wakens more and more common citizens about the freedom, the human rights etc. BUT, this is something a harm/hurt to the communists party.
China is chinese's china, not the Party's private property.
Google ahs finally come to its senses: the current Chinese government mixes a strange brand of mercantilism and ethnic nationalism. I.e. it will do anything to give an edge to domestic companies. Google finally got it: THERE IS NOTHING TO BE GAINED FROM DOING BUISNESS WITH THIS COUNTRY. LOOSE/LOOSE SITUATION. STOP BUYING MADE IN CHINA JUNK.
Simple plan to end the economic rise of China:
1) Require all Chinese import dues to be paid in Yuan (effectively impossible because of capital controls, but would not violate WTO)
2) Start a lawsuit for state-sponserd IP theft, and as a result, freeze the 1.6 trillion $ in assets China has in the U.S.
3) Redistribute the 1.6 trillion to U.S. companies who have been victimized.
4) Sign free trade treaty with India (a pluarlist democracy) and import the cheap junk from them
what a pity for chinese people!
CHINA is still a repressive nation that does not believe in basic human rights. This is just the latest in a long line of oppressing events in China's. THEY WILL NOT CHANGE. GOOGLE must respect human rights and exit China's now.
Google is cooperating with the US government to monitor and screen all are email and social networking under sections of the Patriat Act which will never expire til repealed in future legislation and/or sections which that have been renewed.
That aside Google now is uncomfortable with its working relationship with China.
Chinese communists dont give a damn about human rights. Pass the Bullets
Do most of you forget that we live in a world where money and market share are king? The only reason why Google would even think about pulling out is because THEY DON'T CONTROL THE BIGGEST MARKET SHARE IN CHINA.
Do most of you forget that we live in a world where money and market share are king? The only reason why Google would even think about pulling out is because THEY DON'T CONTROL THE BIGGEST MARKET SHARE IN CHINA. They might say it's because of morals and ethics, but they would never act this way if they held the market share.
As for people who want a boycott of Chinese goods: wow. The U.S. imported over $337.8 billion from China in 2009, compared to exporting a measly $71.5 billion. If you think that boycotting Chinese goods (which are cheap to produce and therefore cheap to buy) will hurt the Chinese more than it hurts us, then you're badly mistaken. If you want a huge spike in your consumption budget (higher production costs = higher prices), then sure, advocate a boycott.
And for those complaining about the outsourcing of jobs: is it more China's fault or U.S. companies' fault? The only reason to outsource jobs for U.S. companies is to reduce production costs. Minimum wage laws in the U.S. make producing goods at a low price compared to the rest of the world next to impossible. It's only natural for companies to search for cheaper input costs.
Don't get me wrong, I oppose the Chinese government. But the fact that it's a "BIG BADDIE COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT" shouldn't cloud your judgement on how the world works today.
Long story short: the U.S. needs China more than China needs the U.S.
As a Chinese, I hate this government because of so many things. Don't even think about freedom or your human rights if you are born in a country like China. The blossom of the economy of this nation has deceived the whole world. The bottom line is that: "China is a country of tyranny." There is no such thing, called freedom in China. You will be eaten alive publicly if you dare to show any "rebellion."
Many of you do not know this, that is precisely why many Chinese, including myself, come to the western countries, because we simply appreciate freedom and do not want to compromise on what we believe. After growing up and living there for so many years, I swear to God, I am fed up with it, not only the corrupted governments, but also the stupid, ugly and wrong educated people who has lost their ability of critical thinking.
Their education and media system has been teaching us wrong things since we were born. Most Chinese are forced to naturally become hostile against western world because the media tell them so each single day. Most of them do not know what is right or wrong, do not have principles, and they are corrupted due to the corrupted educations they are forced on since the beginning. Nobody appreciates honesty in the real world in China because everybody cheats from government to business world. That is the so-called "Chinese way", yes, trust me, it is not about integrity!!
That explained why only a few Chinese go to Google in Beijing to offer flowers as respect, while most netizen online claim the government shouldn't back down. How pathetic are they! It's their own freedom, but they are being taught to be blindly patriotic! Imagine myself saying these words in China, what will happen, most people will grind their teeth, hating me, abusing me with all kind of bad languages and even trying to find me through "brutal search" and threaten me physically. Trust me, I know that.
Look out, western world, a strong nation of tyranny is becoming even stronger nowadays, and its people has become just what the government want them to be, blind but emotional patriotic. Just look at the history, you will know what happens when such a country become too strong. I will say this, mark my words my friends, China will bring disasters to humanity sooner or later. I did before, and it will certainly do in the future.
People who enjoy freedom everyday do NOT understand how precious it is, how lucky you are, and how pathetic of those who do not, but also, many people who have never enjoyed freedom will lost their ability to search for freedom and become just like the blinds around. You think all those Nazi solders had lost their minds completely when slaughtering thousands of innocents and thought themselves they were doing the right thing, then think again how they were change to be like that by their governments.
A tyrant nation is an enemy to all the humanity, that everyone, including their own people, have to fight against. A central power government can only bring corruption without exception. But wait until the generation, most of which are brain washed. Too bad, the disaster will soon descend.
No, you should not leave China. You should take on China!!!!
Let everyone in China see the real world out there and the real China. Way to go!!!
Google please make the right choice: leave China!!!
China is becoming LAN...
Yes, google shud leave China. I am laughing all the way to the bank with my Baidu shares. LOL!
Google, why this double standard when it comes to the Chinese. Didn't you co-operate with Uncle Sam to limit our freedoms by collaborating on the war on terror. Shame on Google.
YES IF HOWE THY FELL.
BUT NOT IF IT'S TO SAVE MONEY .
Yes, Google should leave China. The longer it stays there the longer it is seen to be in the online censorship business.
i love my china,i love google. my motherland is growing,and give her time
China has different values then we do in United States. Are we so perfect that we need to instill our value system on them – I don't think so.
Im sick of the "the US needs them more than they need the US." line. This is rubbish. We can get cheap quality low tech or mass produced goods made in any number of other regions at the same or only marginally higher cost. Time to teach china a lesson. Pull the plug in a huge way. END FREE TRADE, BRING ON FAIR TRADE. only trade with other democracies that respect basic human rights and values. When we move away from them as customers, their failing exports unsustainable internal market will cause their people of china to change their government forever.
In 1989 there was a chance for peacful and beautiful change. instead they took the road of evil and the government of the PRC should be held to account, even now.
EVERYONE should leave China. And stop importing their junk too.
Google should leave the China. Absolutely!!!
Google should leave the China!!!
China doesn't care if Google leaves, it just means a Chinese company will have one less competition to worry about...
Americans think it's a big deal, but Google pulling out means nothing to the Chinese.
Oh yeah, I think it's time for you Americans to pay off your trillion dollar debt to us, hahaha!
Finally, it's the only way they can save their image destroyed when they agreed to enter. For all those that say it's no use – look at Reagan strong policy against communism – it was the only effective policy that finally brought down the Soviet Union.
Yes google, You should leave China
The Communists just do not get it. They were not born free, so they simply cannot comprehend a world free of shackles. Their propaganda is so omnipresent that the common man here just does not get it either. They actually believe they can take over the world while remaining firmly in the dark ages. Someday, foreign investors will wake up and realize that today’s China is all but a collection of foreign enterprise in the form of money, talent, ideas, and management. The Chinese China is piracy and cheap copies of quality foreign products. Take away all the foreign enterprise and what do you have left? A whole lot of nothing. Spend some time here, and you will understand.
Yes, Google should leave China. This is true for other US businesses with locations on Chinese soil. China is a sovereign nation. If one does business in their country, one is subject to their laws. This includes their right to police their citizens as they see fit. The rest of the world might not agree and that is the world's right. So, the solution? Simple. World Biz doesn't have to stop business relations with China, just stop locating sites in China. Stop placing servers on Chinese soil. Okay, so you want to hook your servers in China to my servers here in the US? No prob, but you will be subject to my laws which state that you have no right to hack my customer base – and don't even THINK about messing with my software. If you choose to mess with my customer base and my tools for doing biz, then I will not do biz with you. If enough companies adopted Google's philosophy and actually pulled out of biz relations with China, China would wake up real fast to reality - there are a LOT more of us than there are of you. The true reality, unfortunately, is that Google probably will not pull out of China for profit reasons. All of their high moral blather will fall to the wayside as a sacrifice to the Almighty Dollar. It's a shame really because this corporate giant could really do some overall good if they really follow through and tell China to stick it where the sun don't shine...
HOWE LONG HAVE g known about the human rights or lack of?
get-out !you could've done it sooner.
I am a Chinese. I have been in US for 5 years and just came back to China. What I want to say is, most Chinese in China do not like the gov. We do know what is going on!
Unfortunately there is no other political force that can replace CCP at this moment and do a better job in China. China cannot afford a revolution...
Things will gradually be better in the next 10~20 years, when our generation takes the power.
I use google everyday and really do not want her to leave...
I think it's better for GOOGLE and Chinese people if they can keep their exists in CHINA and try hard to provide more powerful support on improving China's human rights record, information access freedom and someothers.
Leave is not the best way, neither a proper way to stand up against those devil dictators.
Google, stay here and besides Chinese people.
Like US Army. says,
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
NOW, 1400000000 Chinese standby and watching.
Would you leave them behind, Google?
Google should stay. To leave is loose a silent war.
If Google pulled out then China's exposer to world for export will down and that will help USA to get control China which we try so far not up to mark, and China always promote event any where in the world against USA, see the case of Iran latest. SO it moral and basic duty to all American company to think about the pride of USA
I agree with Google. In fact in years past we would never being doing business with any Country that viiloates Human Rights.
Now because of GREED it doesnt matter anymore.
I agree totally with Google and there stance.
look, by exposing the recent hacking of its system and threatening to leave china, google is making the best decisions possible for the sake of "promoting freedom of the internet." If google leaves, there will be little resulting effect on chinese internet freedoms and government restrictions. a big fart in the wind. By staying, threatening to leave, and raising alot of domestic and international hype, google is promoting its slogan of "dont do evil" to a commendable extent. a big brown cloud of hype on the china radar. google should NOT leave.
first of all,i am a chinese teen...born in china...growing up in china...
but more ouf of supporting speech freedom...
GOOGLE should leave....
to wake up those companies that hv already lost their belief for long!!!
p.s..dont think that there are no people supporting justice in china...
Yes, leave China. I never understood why the US ever promoted doing business in China. I know it comes down to the almighty dollar and I guess that says it all. Why in the world should we help develop a communist country which in a few years will be a super power that could threaten our way of life. We should have helped India develop instead of China. At least their a democracy and don't have the terrible human rights record of China.
Yes they should get out of China, they do not respect Freedom of speech and they do not respect even their own unborn baby daughters. China is bound to have serious major economic problems.
No. If Google leaves China, who will be the one pushing for a more open search environment? By leaving China, Google will ensure that there will be complete censorship!!! Pushing the envelope as Google has done is the best approach to opening up China's internet.
I think Google should remain in China, but should stop all censorship. Instead of leaving China, they should place the burden on the government and let them kick Google out of China. This way the Chinese people will see that their government has no intention of reform.
Why is this an either and or question? Can Google refuse to leave, but don't consent to the censorship rules? I mean what is the worst that can happen to Google? Getting shutdown? Lose money? Let's wake up the Chinese people and show them the real face of their government! Start a revolution!
google is for freedom that the chinese don't want their people to have because they are communist. the people in china should have access to google, be but also be able to post comments like us without fear from the govt. in short, the govt. shouldn't be able to do anything against the google website that can censor to the point that the people have no freedom of speech. so like many of you, i agree that the google should leave china until this whole issue is resolved.
Get out now! Finally this company is doing right. I hope others follow suit.
Absolutely yes and when we leave lets unplug all international internet connections going to and from that country. BAN ALL CHINESE GOODS!
I think a usual mistake is to assume the path for developing countries is to become the US.
Censorship of the internet comes in two forms in China, to protect the people and to protect the government. The later should be exposed and google are right to take a stand. But many people have deemed the internet to be both good and evil, China want to filter the evil.
Surely exit isn't the right route for google, it will make a story for a month or two and then vanish. Google can do a lot more by learning from the Chinese, understanding the government and working with them to to move forward.
The Chinese government are not bad or evil people. Censorship has been part of Western culture for years. Just for reference I sight the UK not teaching about the secret pacts at Yalta after WWII; how we sent thousands of Cossacks back to Russia knowing they will all be executed.
Learning more about Chinese culture and the people will help. They are good people and try to make hard but right decisions. I can argue the one child policy has saved thousands of lives. Such a policy could never be passed in a Western Democracy. The next twenty years will present many challenges just like the population dillemma in China, challenges that require early action. I am not convinced that the decisive leadership in China won't be more effective than late acting democracies in the West.
The way forward is diplomacy and cultural understanding. Not seperation.
Absolutely!!! It's about time the world stands up against the arrogance of the Chinese government. If China wants to isolate itself that's their choice.I for one am tired of the world "cow downing" to a inhuman communist government dressed up in a capitalist sheeps clothing.
Yes. China is violating human rights and is using Google to futher violate them. The internet is about freedom of communications to all. We all are giving China too much control and power whether it be in the world of finance, real estate, importing Chinese goods or Chinese playing hardball with Google. Time for all of us to say "enough!"
A big pat on the back to Google for not adjusting their ethics for the Chinese government.
I'm Chinese, I think Google pulling out means nothing to the Chinese.
As a ordinary chinese, I support Google to leave China, Google stands for freedom. China is leading by a evil government, I feel shamed.
See how we Chinese people send flowers to Google in Beijing. More Pictures here:
Thanks, Google for standing up to China.
Not in the modern era has such a noble and industrious people been repressed by such a domineering and repressive government.
And nothing will change until major companies and nations stand up to them.
Google – For The Win!!!
Of Course Google should pull out! China is changing rapidly, but it has yet to realize that they will ultimately not be able to control the way they have done in the past – that is over.
I'm a native Chinese who lives in Shanghai, 22 years old. Most of my friends are sad and angry about what the gov does for their citizen. The people in China also love google. It is the worst thing we have to face... However, we cannot do anything to turn back.
google leaving China won't cause a bleep in China. Baidu can do what google does. I reckon google pulled out because it got its butt kicked badly by Baidu in China. But I reckon google will regret this decision and go back begging to get in.
The true reason is that China only contributes to 1% of Google global revenue and it is only the THIRD most popular search engine in China! People please think–even with the self-censorship, Google is still only the 3rd, with #1 a Chinese domestic search engine company. Bottom line is most Chinese dont like Google china search engine anyway...Google is trying to use the news effect to draw Chinese government back to the negotiation table. Google does not care either way...
It has always amazed me that any company, not just Google, would want to move any of their intelectual property into a nation that has been notorious for copyright infringment and piracy. I feel that more than just Google should leave China and let them try tocompete without the influx of knowledge, just what they can buy and attempt to reverse engineer. Give it 20 years and maybe China will have a major change in government as the old guard dies off and the younger generation takes over.
Google should either leave Chinan or publicly revoke the "Do No Evil." slogan. Censorship is evil. It is evil to tacitly support authoritarian despots by doing business with them.
As Edmund Burke wrote, "All the is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
The Chinese government is evil. Make no mistake about that.
Good for Google, I am now a Google user for life. I only wish our Government would stand up to these types of oppressive regimes.
they should stick it out and fight the government...people there need a way to see that there is a better way. constantly censoring what they see, hear, or feel isn't the way.
It's time to finally do the right thing and leave this opressive dictatorship. Should have never been there in the first place. Do no evil...
Google should NOT leave China or any other place for that matter... should smarly stand their ground and work through this... it is just a question of time...
Speaking from my 17 years experience of living under a communist country like Vietnam, I have to say: YES, GET OUT OF CHINA. Google should have a full control of their business before Chinese communist government controls them. If Chinese people really want Google, they have to fight againt their government to get it.
Of course they should pull out. Its the method best suited for the situation. If the government wants to censor the information its public has access to, start with their ISPs.
Yes! Get out or I will stop using Google.
It would be something that would raise the consciousness of the ordinary Chinese populace if Google is no longer accessible. What will the authorities say or explain that black hole?
Yes leave China and never do business with them again. I do know that they are spy and had hurt many other countries.
so ,we chinese can do nothing ,just wait and wait. if the google-china exit, we'll lose a lot.
Whether you find Google's motives behind pulling out to be brave or simply self-serving, I think it is fantastic that so much attention is being brought to the fact that China DOES dictate in dangerous ways.
Hopefully this decision, along with the speech Obama recently gave to Chinese students (where he was able to stress the OBLIGATION of government to make information accessible) will encourage some of the Chinese to take action to defend their rights as humans.
"This is funny. Like google's leaving is a bad thing for China. How do you know? Maybe this is exactly what Chinese government wants."
We can be fairly certain that this is exactly what the Chinese government wants. We can be equally certain that freedom loving Chinese citizens absolutely do NOT want this.
Free people everywhere need to support Google in this matter and show the citizens of China that they have allies. Show them you care more about their freedom than you do about the economics of the situation. So what, if in the end, the Google pullout has no affect on the policies of the Chinese government? At least it can proudly say it stood up to tyranny and fought for what was right.
Google: Please don not back down. You are restoring the faith and changing the impression that all big business cares about is the profits it can make by any means neccessary.
It's time for free people everywhere to start standing up. Don't leave it to your governments. Stand up! Don't wait for your neighbour. Stand up! Care enough for your fellow human beings (no matter where they live) to be totally intolerant of oppression, censorship, and denial of basic human rights! Stand up!
No. Google leaving China would only further the cause for the Chinese government. Its the people of CHina that will suffer with the departure of Google. Also after Google, Yahoo will once again beocome the big Search Engine and will do everything for the Chinese government. Remember it was Yahoo not Google that leaked information on Wang Xiazoning...
The question is not whether Google should leave China, the question is whether the company, or for that matter any major company doing business in China should take a stand for something that they know is incorrect. I think Google is absolutely doing the right thing.
Business first is not the way to go despite what Wall street always thinks, and more big business should have the guts to do the right thing. It is when this happens that real impact will be felt, and true progress will be made.
I am also glad Google is finally standing up to Chinese communist. We are suppose to stand up for basic freedoms.The chinese gov takes our money, our know how and mostly takes advantage of our greed and is transforming it into power. Power used to suppress peoples right to know the truth and power to take rights from free rights peoples like Tibet
Yes unless freespeech!!!
The general masses obviously don't seem to grasp how economics works...let alone international economics. The bottomline is, Google may decide to cut their losses and pull out of China, but other American corporations never will as long as there's profit to be made. Cheap labor + the largest consumer base in the world...you don't have to be a corporate CEO to see the opportunities there.
Do I really need to remind people of the old contradictory phrase "business ethics"? Do you really believe Bill Gates losses any sleep knowing Microsoft is operating in China?
A perfect example – if you don't believe me look it up – in the 1930's IBM helped Nazi Germany set up a very basic and primitive computing system to help them catalog and categorize Aryans, Jews, and etc...and we all know the result of their cataloging. You think the CEO of IBM at the time loss any sleep over it?
This, unfortunately, is how capitalism in the modern day works.
Google should stay. Leaving China will have no affect on Chinas internet search capabilities yet will weaken Googles position. Baidu is a tool of the Chinese government, any time an American company can take revenue away from the Chinese government/company is a victory. The attacks on gmail will force Google to develop a more robust hack proof system.
Google should leave China. Chinese Government will not change its ways. It hasn't for a very long time. The government will most certainly NOT lift its censorship Chinese people had stood up to the government many times before. And the result? A good example will be the Tiananmen Square Massacre. Look what happened to the students and anyone that stood up to the government and its believes.
Google -> Take your business elsewhere. China is most definitely NOT ready!!!
google don't go~~we chinese people need you!!
As a Chinese I totally think Google should leave China. Google's operation in China is terrible and its role as a search engine is too insignificant to be noticed in China. Most Chinese use Baidu.com, a Nasdaq listed search engine. Google shoud leave China not because it is a champion of freedom, but it is a lousy company. Google is making excuses for simple business failure. China is the most powerful and booming economy in the world, it is Google's loss to leave China. What's more, I want the world know we don't care what Hilary Clinton says. Hilary's husband lied to the world, George W Bush lied about WMD, Obama did not close Guantenamo as he promised. American politicians talk crap all the time.
China is not impressed with Google wanting to stand up to thier government. Also communism mixed with capitalism is working well. Tons of folks building tons of cheap stuff for the world market, specially America. If we actually made a concerted effort to boycott all things made in china, then we still could not force China to do anything. We like our cheap electronics and 85% of all goods in Wal-mart are made in China. so Hurray to Google but the type of warfare they should be doing with China is counter cyber attacks. viruses that destroy viruses but also destroy the source that the virus came from. We have the development muscle to attack back...but then that's not profitable, so who would fund it?
Yes, Google, please stop censorship in China!
– They need porn in Android Market
– They want to see executions and suicides in YouTube
– They demand search engine stop filtering results on massive brain screenings of immigrants to US
Free media for all Chinese! Leave them for good! Please.
I want to thank people like Benjamin Fried, Google’s new CIO, who revealed a lot of support to this company and its power to influence not only China but to control the synchronous global information flow.
If an American company can't operate in a country as it does in the in the entire international market, then the answer is yes. It would be unethical to operate otherwise.
If China wants to continue to progess economically, then there are rules it needs to abide by as a international business partner to the USA.
This should apply to all American companies doing buisnes with China, not just informatic corporations.
We all should leave China. All we're doing now is continuing to feed the (still) totalitarian beast. Now that they've had a taste of capitalism, remind them of what it was like during the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, for which they were never sufficiently punished.
Get out of China .
Chinese needn't it anyway , if there are some people know Chinese webs ,most chinese only chose thier own Baidu not Google . google leaves or not wont bring any influence to chinese , There are so many stupid person said BOYCOTT, i would like to say NICE, chinese people now wakes up ,they already known how you american people like our cheap goods , you can boycott , but i think your purse won't allow. wake up you guys ,it is the truth , china is not as it was before,
To all China haters/hypocrites here:
If the United States is the beacon of human rights, how come gays and lesbians are not allowed to get married – the most basic human right??? This country is over-run by religious fanatics – definitely worse than a little bit of communism.
Google, I applaud you for standing your ground. You've done the right thing ... and not buckled like others!!! Thank you.
google recent years only when that day Baidu.com was attachked got lots visitors ,and the most hot word was "baidu " . HAHAHAHA
Let's see who is the winner .
dont forget you owe our money , your lives are depends on our productions . LOL
Not only should Google leave China, but I think every US company should get out of every other country that thinks they have the right to dictate to a US company how to do business even domestically.
That means you, EU.
get out of china google.
I think China needs to stand up to the US because they are nothing but the two-horned wild beast that the bible talks about in the book of revelations thats soon to be done away with and furthermore America can get ready to answer for all of her badness, and yes google need to leave China befor that get put out
They should! Though I suppose – of course – that it is their own prerogative, I sincerely believe that this violation is unacceptable. No longer is it only about the first issue, of google submitting to censorship in the first place, but the possible security of activists.
Plain and simple: Google should not leave, the Chinese goverment should just shut up and give up on censorship, and everyone shall be free on the internet. But sadly, that only happens in an ideal world.
One more comment: Setting aside the google thing, why the hell does the chinese government have to censor things anyway? Instead of asking if they are... they should ask why are they censoring everything? Most probable answer would be "I want to take control of China!" So unless the Chinese want to be politically enslaved online, hurry up and stop censoring. U wanna know what censoring will mean when it takes over? It means being cut off from the real world and getting lied too. They will not show you the real things happening all around you. This way they will be able to control the information you hear. Eventually, you citizens under the Chinese goverment will become totally ignorant to the rest of the world and it will be too late by then. There might be a world war III and the government would NEVER tell you. Yet some of you support censorship? For those who support it, you are diggin your own grave... I pity you. As for human activists.. keep up the good work, don't let the chinese goverment win. I'll be cheering you on!
Yes, I believe that google has every right to abandon censorship, and shouldn't have agreed to it in the first place. A long chain of events could have been prevented had they not done it in the first place, and were putting the sake of American labor, capital, and technological knowledge at risk by ignoring these attacks.
For a company that was created for a free country, by a free country...it disgusts me that they operate in China and censor their website. I understand being tolerant of other countries, believe me, I am the first one usually to side with the OTHER side...but not in this case. They are restricting their website...not to please the people, but to please the government. To deny history is to be doomed to repeat it. And closing the doors to information is only fueling the problem. Google needs to either be fully accessible for the country...or not at all.
While I have sympathies towards a dramatic display of disapproval, rationally it would probably achieve the opposite effect to that desired.
Google should place the onus upon the Chinese government to censor instead of self-censor. It should remain and leave only after the Chinese government demonstrates once again its repressive nature by requiring it to leave for failure to comply with its state censorship.
China's government has several contradictions to address which they well know. Marxist theory postulates that the governing organs (institutions) cannot exist in contradiction to the prevalent means of production, which inevitably determines the form of government.
Wholesale changes in the means of production brings about the demise of ruling structures and elites founded upon the old means of production and that an inevitable struggle for power ensues between the new and old classes, born of these differing economies.
As students of Marxist theory, they know this. The decision to embark upon the capitalist economic path will inevitably result in a rising middle class that will demand political representation in proportion to its economic power and like all existing ruling elites the communist party of China thinks or hopes it can distract or manage the process of change and remain in charge.
The Chinese communist party is pondering how to deliver prosperity and wealth to its people and nation, keep the Chinese empire together and remain in undisputed control while doing so. At present, it is trying to trade off material prosperity against political freedoms.
What we are witnessing is not a new way or a third way but the same old way. Either, as more enlightened rulers of the past had foreseen they preserve themselves by changing with the times, similar to Monarchs whom became constitutional ones, or they will bottle up tensions till they explode in a cathartic and sometimes violent release.
This explains the Chinese communist party’s dilemma and is at the root of it's paranoia.
At present, they are falling back upon the more familiar means of repressions of dissent alike to all repressive institutions and forms of government. They will probably even try to export their control in an effort to sure up their internal, which historically is one of the motivations for the expansion of empires.
The dilemma for the world is will China follow the European example of liberalising government or replace the increasingly defunct state communist ideology with a nationalist and expansive one similar to pre war Japan. Hopefully it will be the former.
Ultimately, it falls to the Chinese people and their clamour for change. Their daily awareness and experience of censorship will help motivate such and therefore I believe Google should force the communist party's hand by remaining if possible, and unrestricted, and not assist them by voluntarily surrendering the field.
Stay here. Serve the people, pleasure the people, Ignor the goverment. We need you. Stay!
Go Google !!! Get Out of Red China. Thanks for Standing Up to those arrogant-savage chinese communist regime. Don't be associated with those criminals CCP against humanity. Just Do it !!! Practice what's your motto implies DON'T BE EVIL as those communists in China – Chinese people will never forget their truly friends.
Yea definitely leave China,
Stand up for what's right. Why should political searches be censored at the request of the Chinese. Instead why can't they stand up and admit what they did at Tianeman was completely wrong.
Let people see what went on at that time.
A few weeks ago China executed a British Man without giving him a mental evaluation.
I think it's time we start saying good by to communism.
My vote. LEAVE CHINA for good. Google put your presence in the Southeast Asian countries. They'll welcome you with open arms especially Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, and maybe Laos. To the American Government, with the multi-billions going to the bank bail outs, re-direct it over to paying back what we owe to the Chinese government. Moreover, lets bring manufacturing back to the American people. (ps: I'm not White or Black American, Mexican, Indian, nor European, so, go figure).
Google should not leave the Chinese market.
Instead it should change its policy of censorship forthwith, then await the consequences.
The consequences almost certainly will be that they will be redressed and ultimately kicked out of the Chinese market, but it will mean a black eye for the Chinese, which the Chinese will not like.
The company that professes 'Do No Evil' but acceded to state censorship then found its e-mail system being attacked to find the identity of human rights activists, will then have struck a counter blow against the 'evil' it has associated with.
Not everything in China is 'evil', and increased prosperity for people who had not enough to eat for most of the population for most of its history, is not a bad thing - but there is more to governing well than delivering economic prosperity; a government should not only guard the government against enemies without, but should not falsely identity enemies within. (by definition, all those who are dissident are 'enemies within')'
By skillfully letting itself get attacked but not making a big issue of it, Google will turn this in to a cause celebre among activists, but needn't make a corporate 'big deal 'about it' – in fact it can turn the issue into one of subscribers' rights, which is exactly what this is – keeping the identity of subscribers secret from a politically hostile government (not shielding ordinary criminals committing crimes malum in se, such as murder, rape, robbery, mayhem, etc.)
Google can accomplish this skillfully, gain stature among freedom lovers, and literally move ahead in the minds of all potential G-mail subscribers (and hence searchers and advertisers) as a champion.
The ultimate result may indeed be more freedom in China, rather than less, as the Chinese do NOT like embarrassment . . . . and will seek to avoid it, perhaps by working some sort of compromise or delaying or avoiding the actions that have triggered the proposed actions that are the cause of this Google 'trial balloon.
If I were on the Google.com board, this is the point of view I'd advocate as being best for the long term prospects of the business world wide, and also justify a step away from the ill-considered and unworkable partnership of censorship with the Chinese government which is antithetical to the Google way of doing business.
So why is an American company with freedom of speech liberties helping another country censor its people anyway? Is Google saying that although we enjoy our freedoms, we really don't care about our customers? Of course it's about the money! Need we ask?
It's a case of :
Hear no evil, See no evil.
Which monkey is Google?
Google should pull out. If a company want to do business in one country, the base line is follow that country's law.
If cannot, then leave.
I cannot imagine if a Chinese company enter US market and want to work away from US's law, what will happen.
While Google's actions may affect the Chinese population in the short run, there are too many other sources of communication and information available to the Chinese people to stop them from learning more about freedom every day.
Walk away all service providers should walk away from this country, perhaps then they will accept there is something out there bigger than China
LEAVE! China's government has brainwashed all their citizens w/ propaganda and self righteousness. They are primed to drop nukes on the free world; allowing these same citizens to learn the truth would destroy everything thegvernment have worked to build up for hundreds of years.
Yes they should leave China and I'm a bit annoyed that Google censored anything in the first place. So now I have to wonder what is being kept from the American public. Google you've got to be kidding me...
Google: What are you waiting for ?
To leave our Great country, just because you have political overtones: the anti-China propaganda and ideology.
Above, a friend, do not take things for human rights! You lived in China before? A real understanding of my country? You are blinded by your media. As long as you have lived in China, they will not say that these self-deceiving any more.
Our country has a splendid culture of five thousand years. Welcome to my house guest. Thanks!
No, Google should not leave China. The cost to the Chinese people would be too high. They should however, end all censorship. If the Chinese government kicks them out so be it. This is not a question of revenue for Google it is a question of freedom of expression. Too bad the Chinese don't have our second admendment. If they did, the government would fall in days.
Yes – They absolutely should
It is sending a strong message to all foreign investments in China
and it human rights groups need companies with the clout that Google has to stimulate the government into action.
Yes, Google should leave China. Google may have a big loss in business. The biggest loss will be the Chinese government and which is invisible.
I think Google should stay there as long as they can, but uncensored. The Chinese people deserve to be able to access the truth about their history. When, and if, the Chinese government puts the clamps on the company in any way, at that point, Google should leave. The internet is intended for a free exchange of information, and should not be censored for historical content.
i‘m glad to see Google stande up,but we don’t want Google leave us. We love Google,a great company.
I love Google,If Google left China, it will represent me lose my many years of habit, I don't want to see that.
leave china now
The western media is currently full of articles on Google's 'threat to quit China' over internet censorship issues, and the company's 'suspicion' that the Chinese government was behind attempts to 'break-in' to several Google email accounts used by 'Chinese dissidents'.
However, the media has almost completely failed to report that Google's surface concern over 'human rights' in China is belied by its their deep involvement with some of the worst human rights abuses on the planet:
Google is, in fact, is a key participant in U.S. military and CIA intelligence operations involving torture; subversion of foreign governments; illegal wars of aggression; and military occupations of countries which have never attacked the U.S. and which have cost hundreds of thousands of lives in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and elsewhere.
To begin with, Google is the supplier of the core search technology for 'Intellipedia, a highly-secured online system where 37,000 U.S. spies and related personnel share information and collaborate on their devious errands.
Agencies such as the so-called 'National Security Agency' have also purchased servers using Google-supplied search technology which processes information gathered by U.S. spies operating all over the planet.
In addition, Google is linked to the U.S. spy and military systems through its Google Earth software venture. The technology behind this software was originally developed by Keyhole Inc., a company funded by Q-Tel http://www.iqt.org/ , a venture capital firm which is in turn openly funded and operated on behalf of the CIA.
Google acquired Keyhole Inc. in 2004. The same base technology is currently employed by U.S. military and intelligence systems in their quest, in their own words, for "full-spectrum dominance" of the planet.
Moreover, Googles' connection with the CIA and its venture capital firm extends to sharing at least one key member of personnel. In 2004, the Director of Technology Assessment at In-Q-Tel, Rob Painter, moved from his old job directly serving the CIA to become 'Senior Federal Manager' at Google.
As Robert Steele, a former CIA case officer has put it: Google is "in bed with" the CIA.
Googles Friends spy on millions of Internet Users
Given Google's supposed concern with 'break-in's to several of its email accounts, it's worth noting that Google's friends at In-Q-Tel, the investment arm of the CIA, are now investing in Visible Technologies, a software firm specialized in 'monitoring social media'.
The 'Visible' technology can automatically examine more than a million discussions and posts on blogs, online forums, Flickr, YouTube, Twitter, Amazon, and so forth each day. The technology also 'scores' each online item, assigning it a positive, negative or mixed or neutral status, based on parameters and terms set by the technology operators. The information, thus boiled down, can then be more effectively scanned and read by human operators.
The CIA venture capitalists at In-Q-Tel say they will use the technology to monitor social media operating in other countries and give U.S. spies “early-warning detection on how issues are playing internationally,” according to spokesperson Donald Tighe. There is every possibility that the technology can also be used by the U.S. intelligence operatives to spy on domestic social movements and individuals inside the U.S.
Finally, there is a curious absence from the statements emanating from Google – and from U.S. media reports – of any substantive evidence linking the Chinese government with the alleged break-in attempts to several Google email accounts.
Words like 'sophisticated' and 'suspicion' have appeared in the media to suggest that the Chinese government is responsible for the break-ins. That may be so. But it is striking that the media has seemingly asked no questions as to what the evidence behind the 'suspicions' might be
It should be noted that the U.S. government and its intelligence agencies have a long history of rogue operations intended to discredit governments or social movements with whom they happen to disagree. To see how far this can go, one need only recall the sordid history of disinformation, lies, and deceit propagated by U.S. government and media to frighten people into supporting the Iraq war.
Whether the attacks on Google email originated from the Chinese government, or from elsewhere, one thing is clear: A company that supplies the CIA with key intelligence technology; supplies mapping software which can be used for barbarous wars of aggression and drone attacks which kill huge numbers of innocent civilians; and which in general is deeply intertwined with the CIA and the U.S. military machines, which spy on millions, the company cannot be motivated by real concern for the human rights and lives of the people in China.
By Eric Sommer
do you know china, your media just describe it as a autocratic government ,but it's not true ,we like our motherland
and we believe that one shoud be to the benefit of the Collectivism
you guy know that
I agree with many people that Google should leave. Yes they will take a small hit, However it will be a show that we can change the world one step at a time. It requires people to stand up. That's what Google is doing, and for that I applaud them profoundly. The best way to make China change is to stop doing business with them. Hit'em where it hurts!! In their wallets!! Thats the best way to change anything, just mess with their income. Thats the best way to get a quick response.
You're completely right. The censorship even stops social sites like Facebook and Twitter. Sadly most people there won't understand why Google is leaving. The government is trying to keep it's people in the dark, and their doing a good job of it to. Go Human Right Activists!!
Others raise an interesting point: Google's pulling out of China would only undermine free speech for the Chinese people, not encourage it. China has been showing an increasing trend of internet isolationism, which is made easier to implement by China's unique writing system. Sites like Baidu, youku, and taobao cater to Chinese users because the web sites themselves are in Chinese. While a finite number of big players are present on China's internet scene, content is much easier to control. Chinese protectionist would like nothing better than for google to pull out. Me? I'm a US expat living in Shanghai since 2003.
January 12, 2010 the U.S. Google's senior vice president, general counsel David Drummond in Google's official blog, with a high profile and published a paper entitled "A new approach to China" the high-profile articles. Paper threatened to "Our company has decided not to re-examine our Google.cn search results ... ... We recognize that this is likely to mean that companies will have to close Google.cn, as well as our office in China.". First of all I would like to note that one problem: There are many articles that Google turn off Google in China's business means that Internet users in China can not access Google search. These articles, if not because the author of ignorance is because the author made for ulterior motives, intentionally misleading. This point will be discussed in this article below.
Google this high-profile statement immediately caused an uproar in the West. This is entirely contrary to most people's expectations will not be. However, Google is really because of China's Internet monitoring system issued this threat do? I do not at all.
1, Google had placed great hopes in the Chinese market
According to the Wall Street Journal reported that the Chinese market is the world's most important markets in the world, almost all the large companies of the pie. Especially with regard to the network. As of last June, China has 338 million Internet users, more than any other country, and also a rapid development period, with vast market potential. This is Google can not be taken lightly. Chinese-American Kai-fu Lee has ranked Microsoft's global vice president. However, Google in order to develop the Chinese market in 2005, spared no expense will be dug over Kai-fu Lee. And with Microsoft hostilities break out skin, playing a massive lawsuit it won the Kai-fu Lee. Later, high-paid hired Johnny Chou. These are reflected in Google for a booming market, the urgency and a strong market expectations. Because they thought that Kai-fu Lee, Chou know better the Chinese culture, but also knows how to let Google into a localized search company, better able to learn from each other, and Baidu and other local search companies a showdown.
Kai-fu Lee to China after the head of Google's business in China, Google quickly to use its resources on a grand scale, massive to launch a targeted specifically for the Chinese market Google.cn site. As a result, the Chinese people will be able to use both Google.cn and Google.com two different sites in the search. Google in China, currently employs approximately 800 people.
Second, Google in China, subject to market ruthlessly eliminated
Foreign trade four years ago, held at the University of the "2006 Business Inspiration Forum", the then rookie Baidu's Internet search select "2005 Strategic Management Benchmarking enterprise", Yuan Yue, chairman of Horizon Research Group, provoking topic: "five years after Google and Baidu is what kind of relationship? that time, more than Google or Baidu Baidu beef cattle than Google??. on this issue Baidu founder Robin Li, chairman and CEO of the confidently predicted: "five years later (ie, 2011 years), Google and Baidu Baidu is the relationship between the thriving, from the market share is concerned, we difficult to see Google. "
Baidu CFO Shawn Wang, attended the forum, he confirmed this topic. He said: "With the continuous development of the Chinese language, China's unique economy of scale and continuous growth, we believe that China's dependence on imported technology to do things not last long, we believe that the Chinese people will use its own search engine technology and understanding of Chinese culture."
In 2006, Baidu's market share of 56.6% in order to sit tight in the first, but Google can only 32.8%, placing him second. But what was even Google is the blow, Google this 32.8% of the market share of 99% is contributed by Google.com. This unsatisfactory situation of Google founders Sergey Brin pointed out: Although Google.com and Google.cn coexist in China, but only 1% of Chinese users to use the latter, mainly because of the quality of search results Google.cn and volume can not be compared with the main search engines. But what is ironic is that Google in China's domestic market, the main push is Google.cn than Google.com.
According to CNNIC, China in September 2009 statistics released by the only pitiable 12.7% of China's Internet users will be Google search site as the first choice, compared with 3.9% decline sharply in 2008. The Chinese mainland is as high as 77.2 percent of Baidu users as the first choice.
Although the experience of many years of market operation, but the ruthless competition in the market proved to Google in China, is a failure. Although China has been investing a great deal of manpower and material resources, Google's market position in China is not any improvement. In September 2009, Google has once again suffered a major setback, which in 2005 from Microsoft (Microsoft Corp.) Hired for business in China Kai-fu Lee left to start their own Internet-invested enterprises in China.
3, Western Internet companies in China's defeat is a common phenomenon in
In fact defeat Google in China is not alone, but China's Internet content services market phenomenon.
In e-commerce market, Taobao beat Ebay. Taobao and Ebay eBay looks like twin brothers, in fact fundamentally different, and this difference makes the battle determines the outcome of a beginning, but people spent three years to understand the truth.
In 1999, from Harvard back Shao Yibo brought 40 million in venture investment to Shanghai, established at the time the first domestic e-commerce auction site. Of course, this business model is not his wish to come out of thin air, whether from the site structure, profitable or revenue structure, the body can be found in the United States from eBay eBay's shadow, and even CEO Shao Yibo, and eBay's Meg Whitman studied under the same out of Harvard. By 2002, when, eBay invested 30 million U.S. dollars in cash, access to eBay's 33% share, a year later, eBay invested 180 million U.S. dollars generous once again took over eBay, bringing the total to become eBay eBay eBay – an electronic Business giants of the Chinese subsidiary of the market, with 90% of the market is out-of elephants.
Taobao was founded in 2003, it was founded four years after eBay. An Taobao did not even begin to include advertising on eBay eBay's exclusive list later led eBay eBay's vigilance. With Ma's words, the difference between them is the difference between ants and elephants. 3 years later, in 2006, eBay eBay's market share fell to 20%, up to 72% of Taobao, at the end of the time, was forced struggling Taobao eBay eBay and TOM Online announced the composition of the joint venture, TOM Online shares accounted for 51%, eBay shares accounted for 49%. So far, eBay form of a decent exit from the market, an army of ants finally defeated an elephant.
At the individual IM (Instant messaging) market, Chinese enterprises have also occupied an absolute advantage. "2008 China mobile phone online behavior of Internet users research report" shows that mobile phone users in various mobile value-added services (excluding SMS) in the maximum usage of mobile IM. Among them, 80.8% mobile phone penetration rate of QQ in the first place, flying letters and mobile MSN separation 23. In the mobile commerce market, Chinese enterprises QQ has the absolute right to speak.
In the instant messaging market, Chinese enterprises, Chinese enterprises have become the leading force in the market, according to 2009 statistics, a third party, only RTX Tencent already accounted for more than 70% of the market share. Tencent, represented by domestic software enterprises. The design of their products closer to the actual needs of Chinese customers, products, operations closer to the Chinese people's habits, and also has a very high brand awareness.
Yahoo has also suffered defeat in China. Yahoo's Chinese website officially opened in September 1999, but finally had to own Yahoo brand in China the right to sell the rights and operation of local enterprises in China Alibaba, along with one billion U.S. dollars in exchange for a 40% stake in Alibaba. Ai little consultation with the Chief Analyst, Cao Bo Ai slightly Research Institute that "industry-recognized failure of Yahoo China, because so many years in the business, number of users, operating income and strategic positioning on both problems.".
Most of the industry have pointed out that the West who are powerful Internet companies in China, the root cause of failure is the lack of Chinese culture, Internet users demand, changes in the market understanding. If the search engine market may be subject to political influence, but in e-commerce and even if the communications market is not the main reason for failure of proof of the political. Even if the search engine market is subject to political constraints, but the failure of Google and Baidu in the same market to compete with the same political attitudes have to accept for a few years after the fact.
4, Google in China's big failure to explain the need to give investors
Google is not a state-owned enterprises, but one is a listed company. Management of the company board of directors and investors need to be responsible. Google in other markets to destroy Xiu pull dry like a beat a strong opponent. However, suffered a disastrous defeat in the Chinese market is indeed something to make Google the company's management is extremely embarrassing thing. Moreover, China is all promising a great practical significance, and has tremendous untapped potential market.
The results of operations from the market perspective, Google.cn really no reason to exist. Requires not only substantial investment, but the competitor's blows, Google.cn nothing to fight back. Turn off Google.cn is the market decide. As a senior Internet analyst at Hong-bo said: "Google in China, has operated for four years, and these inputs are in vain."
Huge investments not only failed to be implemented, and the loss of a huge market, Google's management must give investors an explanation. This is the Western corporate management's basic ethics. Unfortunately, this time the Chinese government made a scapegoat for Google's management.
If China's Internet monitoring system is a new post Google to enter China out of a system, finally forced out of business while Google was forced to withdraw from the Chinese market, Google is full of grievances are forgiven. Only in this case, Google only eligible to such a high profile on such a high-profile statement to occupy the moral high ground. But this is not the case.
First, the Chinese government's Internet monitoring system is not no secret. More importantly, this system existed before Google entered China. Second, China's actual situation is more and more relaxed censorship on the network's remarks are also gradually opened up. Incidents of domestic groups can basically be publicly reported on the network, the introduction of the new policy can also be open for discussion. This trend is obvious. The most obvious example is the 2009 Green dam software incidents. This new policy has been openly discussed in the network, the final result is that the Chinese government to make concessions. Other groups, events such as 2008's Weng'an County of Guizhou Province 10000 People's Congress of the riots, in 2009 the first stone for a chef Hubei unnatural deaths which led to tens of thousands of people involved in the disturbances, Hubei honest woman Deng Yujiao events, are essentially on the network is open discussion, and to promote the event in the right direction to solve. I do not have 11 for example, is already a lot of such examples. These examples are no doubt China's Internet surveillance system towards tolerance witness.
Google is the Chinese government's Internet monitoring system is more stringent when entering the China market, hoping in the Chinese market share of a soup. The Chinese government's Internet monitoring system where more and more relaxed out of the market, but the stand out high-profile criticism of the network monitoring system, which in itself is funny, and it is untenable. At least that Google and its statement of ethics is incompatible. Google is just using politics as a subterfuge to withdraw the Chinese market. As the managing director of China Market Research Group, hill (Shaun Rein) said: "I think Google just to find a decent way to withdraw from China. Google's business in China is not good, there is simply no match for Baidu."
Google did not reflect their activities in China do not live up to expectations and inaction, if not put on public relations point of political rhetoric, how can the public do to placate the local community? Google in China, the political has become a fig leaf big defeat.
5, Google's double standards to prove that only care about interests and do not care about the moral
In accordance with Google's own high-profile standard, Google itself is a holding high the banner of moral monster. 2008 India's 22-year-old IT professional Rahul Krishnakumar Vaid because in the Orkut website wrote, "I hate Sonia Gandhi (I hate Sonia Gandhi)" was arrested. Orkut is Google in India, a social networking sites. Google provided immediately to the Indian police Vaid's Gmail e-mail messages. Vaid has been prosecuted in violation of section 292 of Indian Penal Code and the Information Technology Act, Article 67, online communities, publish abusive India's Congress Party leader Sonia Gandhi content. If convicted, he will be imprisoned five years and a fine of 100,000 rupees. Google claims that: Google is committed to protecting user privacy, Google must comply with host country laws.
It also is not the first from the Government of India in the Google help to arrest its citizens events. In November 2007 also has a name of Lakshmana Kailas K Internet users also in Google's Orkut Web site posted an image of desecration of Hindu saint Shivaji, Indian authorities asked Google to provide the users of the IP address, Google fully compatible with, the Indian Internet users were subsequently arrested by the Indian government, and beaten up. The users even more inhumane prison in India have been forced to use the same bowl to eat and pee. More unexpected was subsequently shown that the Web surfers are being wronged.
6, Google shut down its operations in China have limited impact on China's Internet users
As previously described, the Chinese Internet users on Google in fact there are two major ways. One is the Chinese language site, Google.cn, another one is Google's global Web site Google.com. Internet users in China which is the main way into the Google site. Google.cn Internet users in China itself does not matter. Even if Google out of the Chinese market, in fact, that is close Google.cn, more R & D in China is to close. It has no obvious impact on users. Much less threatening that some of the article: Google closing Chinese Web site will allow Chinese Internet users on the Internet outside of isolation.
Xin Hua Du Group President & CEO Jun Tang, said: "This Chinese Internet users is insignificant, but it will be their history to make the most stupid decision to abandon the Chinese to give up half of the future world!"
Of course, the impact did not say something is impossible. There are at least very small number of Chinese netizens using Google.cn site. Affect Google's Gmail service received entirely possible that the Chinese government cut off. However, e-mail service Gmail, those who are too numerous alternatives.
In short, Google out of the Chinese market, but quit the business in China. Does not mean that China has become the Internet island.
7, the network monitoring the Chinese government is not the only one
911 U.S. government introduced the Patriot Act after the incident. The bill aims to prevent terrorism, the police expanded powers of the bodies of the United States. According to the contents of the bill, the police authorities have the right to search telephone, e-mail communications, medical, financial and other types of records; eliminating the need for the United States restrictions on foreign intelligence units; expansion of the United States Secretary of the Treasury's authority to control, manage the flow of financial activities , especially for a political body with a foreign person or related financial activities; and to strengthen the police and immigration management unit for the residence, the expulsion of suspected foreign nationals with terrorism-related powers. The bill also extended the definition of terrorism, including domestic terrorism, the expansion of the police agencies can manage the scope of activities. Even allowed the United States without permission, the law enforcement agencies will be able to monitor citizen communications.
Canada's Personal Information and Electronic Documents Act itself to allow law enforcement agencies to investigate the extent permitted by law personal information. 2007 Canadian media reports, law enforcement agencies are seeking permission to enter without the power of private information of citizens. Also in 2007, a new Act requires the Canadian Internet service providers and mobile phone service providers in the absence of permission to the police even when the user's personal information, including name, address, internet address.
According to Canada's CBC Web site reported, the United Kingdom, the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Germany and Sweden have similar legal provisions.
The United Kingdom in 2000, Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act explicitly require Internet service providers to install the relevant systems to help law enforcement agencies to track electronic communications.
8, Google China could not simply withdraw from a high-profile
January 7, 2010, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (Hillary Clinton) in the State Department invited him to dinner. This is a small dinner party, the scale is small, but visitors are ICT industry heavyweights. Guest list on Google CEO Eric Schmidt (Eric Schmidt), Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey (Jack Dorsey), Microsoft Chief Research and Strategy Officer Craig Mundie (Craig Mundie) , as well as Mobile Accord CEO James Eberhard, Cisco's marketing president, Susan Bostron, New York University professor Clay Shirky, Personal individuals such as Andrew Rasiej, founder of the Democratic organization. This is the U.S. State Department use of information technology to advance the goal of U.S. foreign policy part of the effort.
A few days later, in 2010 January 12 to come out to Google. Google is for the U.S. government's political objectives services? We will wait and see. If you Google the United States Government's political hatchet man, that the Chinese government for its political constraints it is absolutely necessary and reasonable.
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Google should not have censored in the first place!!!!!! At least they are trying right an immense wrong on their part. Maybe someday companies/shareholders will realize there are inherently "right" AND "wrong" ways to do business.
Time to say goodbye to China, if they can't handle people talking freely then a message needs to be sent. Good job Google!
Google should pull out of China and show the way for the huge amount of other western companies that are being treated unfairly.
The Chinese are not interested in doing fair business, they are interested in overtaking.
Google has a good case and the Chinese are very concerned. That shows in their fierce and loud-voiced response. If they truly didn't care about Google they wouldn't even bother to comment.
This is the first step on a downhill slide for China.
If google want to leave, just do it, no ask you have to do business in China
Pull out, simple as that. Even if the reason is money, the fact that any company would support such a repressive regime is a joke. I know many still do though. With any luck this could be the start of change in that respect.
No company should do business with a murdering dictatorship like China. If Google leaves, thank you. Better late than never. Moral backbone at last.
CHINA IS NO MORE A COMMUNIST COUNTRY! IT IS JUST A STRATEGY FOR DEVEOPING.
I HAVE READ MANY COMMENTS ABOVE,THANKS!
Sure, pull out of China....
I guess they are not making enough money, so they decided to pull out..... Google forgot all about the public outcry from the US in the beginning of their work in China.
YES!!! Before its too late...
Yes google should turn off serviuce in china and block all IP's originating from there until censorship has ended there!!!!!
STAND STRONG google we are behind you 100%
Freedom of speech for everyone on the planet!!!!
This is addressed to Christopher the communist... Go live therer buddy!!! Free people shouldn't do ANY business with countries tghat oppress people... PERIOD!!!! Get a brian!!!!
Why are they REALLY pulling out then? is because of the lack of free speech, over censorship, or is it REALLY because they don't make a lot of money to make them consider staying in China any longer? What do y'all think? Is it for the right reasons or the wrong reasons?
This is addressed to Christopher the communist... Go live there buddy!!! Free people shouldn't do ANY business with countries that oppress people... PERIOD!!!! Get a brian!!!!
get ouf of china ,we don't need u ...greate china
yes! google should get out of china! So should we!! Why do we continue to support a communist country that is a vowed enemy to our system of economics and politics?
Google should refuse to bow to censorship requirements in China. If that means, that, ultimately, they have to leave the country, it will make Google look great and show the world how repressive China really is.
Stand up, Google!
Yes,Google should get out of China! But first they should hack 'em back!!
That said, Google is no saint in all of this. Google caved in to the Chinese long ago for money...and they will probably do it again.
It's long past time that we all boycott Chinese made products, difficult as that may be...
We need to look at ourselves, too. How many of you geeks out there are wearing Nikes? Using Sylvania light bulbs? Have any of you protested the move of General Motors world wide operations to Shanghai? How many of you shop at Walmart?
Boycott China now!!!
Google should absolutely leave! China stole the names and information of human rights activists – activists who were located in other countries, including this one! It's cyber terrorism and can be just as dangerous as if someone has detonated a bomb on US soil.
The entire reason the Chinese government has been able to maintain an authoritarian regime in a hyper-capitalist economy (previously thought to be impossible) is due to their ability to manipulate and direct the release and spin on vital pieces of information, painting human rights activists as "terrorists" or "enemies of the state" or ethnic Quigars as "disgruntled workers". I was in China the month the Urumchi riots began, and I have to say, having my phone calls monitored, text messages edited, and internet access cesored or restricted altogether was a horrifying experience. This ability allows the Chinese government to essentially rewrite history, the biggest example being the 1989 Tiannamen Square Massacre. I recently watched a Frontline special from 2006, in which 4 college students from Bejing University were shown the iconic "Tank Man" picture from that event, in which a lone civilian stands in front of a column of PLA tanks and blocks their movement. The students had absolutely no idea what the picture was depicting. Guesses of its origin from the students ranged from a "parad" to a "military demonstration". The Chinese government has successfully wiped the massacre from this generation's history, to them, it never happened. It is the duty of information giants like Google, Yahoo, and Cisco (which were also shown in the Frontline special as to corroborating with the Chinese government, leading to the arrests and possible deaths of numerous dissidents) to expose the Chinese government's lies. The Chinese people will not rise up against the Communist Party on their own, for unlike the protesters in Iran or the Founding Fathers, they see nothing wrong. The Chinese people only see a insanely successful economy and nothing else. They cannot be dissatisfied enough to rise up if they can't see anything wrong with their government. The international community is powerless to stop the human rights abuses due to China's global economic prowess, so it is up to information giants to expose the truth.
The entire reason the Chinese government has been able to maintain an authoritarian regime in a hyper-capitalist economy (previously thought to be impossible) is due to their ability to manipulate and direct the release and spin on vital pieces of information, painting human rights activists as "terrorists" or "enemies of the state" or ethnic Quigars as "disgruntled workers".
I was in China the month the Urumchi riots began, and I have to say, having my phone calls monitored, text messages edited, and internet access cesored or restricted altogether was a horrifying experience. This ability allows the Chinese government to essentially rewrite history, the biggest example being the 1989 Tiannamen Square Massacre.
I recently watched a Frontline special from 2006, in which 4 college students from Bejing University were shown the iconic "Tank Man" picture from that event, in which a lone civilian stands in front of a column of PLA tanks and blocks their movement. The students had absolutely no idea what the picture was depicting. Guesses of its origin from the students ranged from a "parade" to a "military demonstration". The Chinese government has successfully wiped the massacre from this generation's history, to them, it never happened. It is the duty of information giants like Google, Yahoo, and Cisco (which were also shown in the Frontline special as to corroborating with the Chinese government, leading to the arrests and possible deaths of numerous dissidents) to expose the Chinese government's lies.
The Chinese people will not rise up against the Communist Party on their own, for unlike the protesters in Iran or the Founding Fathers, they see nothing wrong. The Chinese people only see a insanely successful economy and nothing else. They cannot be dissatisfied enough to rise up if they can't see anything wrong with their government. The international community is powerless to stop the human rights abuses due to China's global economic prowess, so it is up to information giants to expose the truth.
This is absolutely an irresponsible business decision – leaving the largest internet market in the world, giving up all the paswt investment, and the nearly 40% search market share it has gained there, hurting all the investors and shareholder in the long run, simply for political reasons and for working for the government, and without a clear business decision process – local employees were never asked if ths would be a wise decision. As a Google shareholder, I think this is totally irresponsible from business stand point. Why is a business involved in geo-politics, and not look after its investment and long term business interests?
In the end, the loser will be Google. I am particularly mad by the news that Google's competitor in China Baidu has already got boat load of money dropped from sky to them as their stock price jumpped at the news. As the former president of Microsoft China Jun Tang said, quoting from the Internet blogs news in China: "This is the most stupid decision in history!"
i do not think that Google should leave china.i think that this is a jokes from Google .this is a big trade！！
Google is not as big as it is here in the U.S. so if anyone thinks google or any other foreign company leaves china is going to hurt china they're sadly mistaken. American and European companies are fighting each other to get their foot in the door of china. China has the same sentiment as America. If you don't like it here leave.
I think it's time American's stopped worrying about how other countries run themselves and look at how this country is run and the people this country oppresses.
Our own involvement in Darfur and slave labor on american owned island territories. Wake up people and stop pointing fingers.
But personally I dont' give a damn what's going on there, I'm too busy here trying to pay my rent because our government has allowed rich business men to pillage our financial systems while us the working class get screwed. So enjoy your time on all your high horses.
No.Business is business.This is a shortsighted decision
The shareholders postings in this blog e.g., "N. West" make me wanna puke. Criticizing Google for making an ethical choice rather than a business choice? These must be the same people who brought us the the recent economic crisis. I am sick and tired of these self-centered, microcephalic, ignorant, morons disgracing our country. I don't give a rat's you-know-what about you, or the value of your shares. Go ahead – sell your shares. There are plenty of us out here who will buy them. We'll get richer, and with any luck you'll end up in the toilet where you belong.
Google.cn should leave, a failed business in China because of its arrogant and western(of course, western means "world" in the dictionary of google) value and culture based approach. I have used Yahoo all times, no problem at all without the existence of google just like I use MAC not Windows. Who cares? MS's Bing is better than google (more relevant searching results)
Yes, stop this two-faced money grabbing way of life, say NO to the communists!
No, Google should not leave. Improving relationships and human rights will not happen if Google leaves the fight. Leaving will only be observed as success to the Chinese Govt and leave a vacuum to be filled by other companies with less willingness to confront Chinese Govt. The Chinese people need freedom of speech if they are to have a free society.
If Google is given a choice between censoring their search results and 'leaving' Chine, then by all means, leave.
If there are alternatives, then they could be explored to find a way to stay in business there.
It's about time...Google should shunt down all offices in China. China is killing the USA
Make no deal with the devil!
Be strong in your stand for human rights violations, and do what you need to. Leave!
Leave now! Google has become the instrument of deception in China as Googling only returns what the gonerment wants!
Its good that theyre no longer censoring but why should they leave? i think they shoudld stay as long as possible, providing china with the truth until they get kicked out by the government
I am sad to see so many arrogant posts. If anyone thinks China will suffer from Google's pulling out, he/she is wrong.
Google will regret their decision in no time. Google needs China much more than China needs Google.
When Google collaborates with Hillary Clinton to fight against Chinese government, they step into politics and become mouthpiece of the US government, and they lose the right to talk about civil rights. This becomes a pure political war now. Google should stay in its business and maintain its clear image.
At last, when Google agreed to accept the censor policy in China when they started the business there, they already bowed before the Chinese government. Now Google suddenly started to criticize the censor system, it simply sounds ironic.
they should stay, since they are in a very unique position to help open up china from within. they can do more good by providing uncensored information than by packing up and leaving!
They should NOT leave China, because that would be letting the PRC government win, and would only do harm to the people of the PRC. However the laws of the PRC are oppressive and directly harmful to Google's core business. I think they should continue to operate but flout the oppressive censorship laws they're under, especially if the government is hacking Google services not hosted in the PRC.
Τhe level of hypocrisy and ignorance that is displaying in numerous comments is outstanding!
Here are some things that i hope will help to clarify some issues:
1)CHINA is NOT communist.
China is a unmerciful dictatorship that serves the most unregulated form o f capitalism.
In china the money is god and god is money as in USA.
So the inner differences of the two regimes are not so big as some tend to think.
2)The prison population of USA is 3 times bigger that the prison population of China.The death penalty applies to both countries.
USA spends for the unelected brutal military 5 times more money than the CHINA of 1.4 billion citizens.The USA public opinion is manipulated the same ways as the CHINA public opinion is manipulated in CHINA.Nationalism and patriotism are the tools that are commonly used in BOTH the countries.
The way american people supported the iraq or the afgan war is a resemblance of the way china people supports the Tibet oppression.
The educational systems of both USA and China are both filled with uncritical patriotism and rampage nationalism.
3)What we have to avoid in this century is a world war between China and USA.Such a war will be devastating much much more than the second world war that took place during 1939-1945.
Calls for boycott of chinese goods are indeed helping for such a devastating war to take place.Target wal-mart and not china you hypocrites!
4)The fight for freedom of speech is happening everywhere and no country is immune from censorship.
Just think that in this country (USA) the government burnt the books of Wilhelm Reich 50 years ago and virtually no one reacted!
Sure, china is a brutal fascist dictatorship. No one can deny this.
It is up to its people to fight FOR the freedom of speech and for its dignity.
It is up to American people to fight AGAINST its ignorance, its tolerance of the police state that was fully constructed under Bush and its blind adore for money.
losers always make various of excuses for their unsuccess, just escape from China.
Abdolutely. China is a communistic country, who is limited on ethics. They are still in the "cold war" mentality, when it comes to spying, and political agenda's. The blatent audacity of such malicious endeavors is so irrehensible. Google should leave China, to put the Sting back into what "freedom" stands for and a void in their country. Money, finance, and job losses screams "WAKE UP" and come into the 21st century, as far as I am thinking.
Yes Google should pull out of China and never should have accommodated the extra filtering in the first place.
As a Google user, I would be very sad if Google were to disappear from the internet if/when I go to China. They should negotiate with the Chinese government to allow less censorship but what the heck will American tourists do when they go to China?! :( And I don't believe the human rights problems are completely China's fault. A lot of it, such as low pay or bad working conditions, are driven by demand from the U.S. But yes... censorship is not good.
Good for you Google !!
Yes! Definitely! Follow your own motto Google "Don't Be Evil" Let the Chinese build their own search engine!
China government system now looks like a giant company . It's a money sucker.It wants to control everything , even Chinese in the mainland of China. If it is powerful enough (more money), it even wants to control the world from economy(It is easy way to beat America).This kind of money-driven monster always thinks America is the biggest potential enemy in the future because America not only exports hi-tech to the world,but always asks other countries, like China, to respect human life,human right and give people more freedom. China government only wants money and technology ( even lot of Chinese people think same way).If foreign company like Google,before yahoo and Australia media etc, touches this point, It will have big trouble. Google is one of this kind of victim. You will see more this kind of case happened in China in the future ( more conflicts). China only wants to win itself by all of means It doesn't
care you lose, even expects you always loser. It doesn't want win to win in this global village.
Funniest thing I've ever heard.
Google was loosing in the Chinese search engine battle, they couldn't compete against Baidu which was getting more and more popular while their market share was dropping, and after another drop, and a big gain by baidu, suddenly Google is our... for other reasons of course...
Google, feel free to leave, instead of fighting for 30% market share, just go and leave 100% market share to Baidu! If you can't compete, leave, and blame something else... Maybe we should dabble in Baidu USA!
Google is coward and stupid child to leave China for covering its impotent on business in china. Google owns only 17% persent of local search market. If microsoft leaves, WOW, I would say american are real brave people, not a hypocritical coward like Google.
It will prove to be a stupid idea that Google wants to change Chinese govenment and Chinese law because Chinese Govenment ,as well as Chinese People ,will never bend their knees to western countries'
criticism in the name of human rights and freedom.
If Google shouldn't be censored by China,what't the reason that my comment on this issue should be moderated,and may not appear on this blog until they have been reviwed and deemed appropriate for posting?
it's really shame on China and boring,china is very very bad examble for this planet, google pull out from china, China is zero good for this world.
A group of illiterate fool, you know what ah, I have been to China, very good, you are too narrow, too selfish
It's about time!
I never thought Google should have been in China in the first place. Like most human rights groups, I was appalled that Google would censor it's search results in China to appease the Chinese government.
I think the problem is so complicated. If you want to leave, then you leave the big internet market. even though they did the treating things.
In other words, China did many treating things for Google.cn website,
this kind of lose the Chinese reputation. you should leave china market instead your reputation get bad.
in my final opion, you should decide to leave.
My father and I worked and lived overseas in a number of countries, from India, Japan, South Korea, and China. While none of these countries are perfect, China stands out from the rest in terms of its problems. Corruption is obvious, government is selective, and the news programs resemble Fox News (one-side, extremely unbalanced). Google should stay, and continue to challenge China. Google has much to gain in the Chinese market if it becomes an open source for information, as do the stockholder and the average Chinese citizen.
I never thought that in a CAPITALIST SOCIETY we will see GOOGLE saying NO to a big market like China. Perhaps, suddenly we are realising that the true foundation of a capitalist society is not just freedom to make money but also freedom to express yourself! Imagine a billion human beings on the face of the earth and cannot express freely....and we live in the 21st century.....what a shame we have to still put up with Communist Chinese crap....the only reason we do that is because of cheap labour....but the cheap labour stems from the repression of freedom...the communist leaders enjoy all the power and money and the majority of Chinese are crushed to accept poverty and inhuman treatement. I hope some day we are able to see the fall of the the communist power in China so that the people of China can breathe freedom! Oh regarding Google...way to go!
Yes. Google can bocome role model for free speech and human rights.
Let us not forget that there are 2 Chinas – DPRC: "Democratic" Peoples "Republic" of China, a.k.a. Red / Communist / Mainland China (Beijing), and ROC: the Republic of China, a.k.a. Taiwan (Island of Formosa). Doing business with the ROC is what America has been doing long before Mao and the Communists took over Mainland China.
Beijing has strong-armed many countries, since the UN Security Council allowed Beijing to replace the Republic of China as "the" China Permanent Memebr of the Security Council, into recognizing Beijing as "the" China and the ROC as renegades.
We Americans do not NEED the DPRC, especially since the majority of the profits from what we purchase from the DPRC goes back in the DPRC's military coffers. Do we really want to be "donating" to their military while we complain about our own government's excessive spending on the military? Does this not make us hipocrits?
So yes, Google should leave the DPRC and further promote ROC in the face of the dictators in Beijing by relocating to Taiwan. And perhaps We the People can :pursuede" Google: Should we boycot Google until Google leaves the DPRC?
Just run away, Google, the losuer in Chinese market! If not, Google will also be kicked out by Baidu in the near future.
Chinese people donot think its a bad thing for censoring porn or sex.
By the way, there are also so many internet attacks in USA, i guess, it is fair for google to claim leaving US somedays.
the chinese government sucks, has anyone read farenheit 451??? well with the sheer number of chinese people in the country why havn't they revolted yet? their country's gov is comprised of complete BS. lie cheat and steal from the people in the country and other nations... who is the leading factor in all of the issues in RWANDA??? that would be china's need for oil and lack of regard for human right. China should not even be apart of the UN.
I would like to address my point as a Chinese who is living in US. Google should not leave. Things can never get better if friends break up with each other and never talk again.
I admire the courage of Google (Sergey Brin and Larry Page got my vote if they are running the next President and Vice-President of the United States). But I believe its a double if Google can stay, and together with the world, work the issue out with Chinese government. Understand each other, learn each other, and hopefully, change each other. We don't expect everything will be fixed. But at least we should try to solve the problem in a positive way.
I believe some human right issues are very complicated issues in China. Like most Chinese, my view of human right in China is not exactly the same as most American have. China is vast in size and has a long history of being torn apart in its territory due to wars and other incidents. So the issues like Tibet/Taiwan/Uyghur are all historically, ethnically, and politically complicated issues, even I am confused some times. Unfortunately, all of the issues are considered simply as human right issues and Chinese government is blamed for all the problem. I condemn hacking into other people's gmail account. But I also don't agree that 'human-right activist' utilizing gmail systems for political gain about Tibetan independence. We view Tibet as part of China just like my American friends view Hawaii and Texas as part of US. However, I am not trying to justify Chinese government's wrongdoing here.
Anyway, I don't agree with what Chinese government does. But the only way to help it to improve is to engage, not to abandon.
It doesn't matter if Google would pull out or not – they are not going to cause any catastrophe to the Chinese. Google may have dominate the West but in China, the Chinese prefer their own search engine in Chinese version. Google knows better their strategy is no longer work in China so whether it is going to retreat as a loser or use the banner "fight for freedom of speech" to cover. But Google withdrawal will definitely have one significance and also signal the end of the US influence. China will rise and the power will gradually shift to the East. Google is loosing its grip so is the US
Admit this truth : Google is losing the battle. There are two options for them:
1. Continue to stay in China and exhaust their resources
2. Retreat under the banner " fight for freedom of speech" and keep good reputation and win supports from other non-communist countries.
Only idiots would believe Google would fight for freedom of speech in China. If they did , they did not go into China in the first place. REMEMBER this, Google did their PESTEL analysis before they made decision to move into China. Now, they know their strategy is no longer work and retreat and this is it – very simple.
Google should leave China becos they have made their intention not the Chinese government.I have no respect for a cry-baby company , hiding behind Uncle sam to solve their problems, its really stupid.
Haste makes waste. Google should restrain its anger.
Yes they should leave China instead of compromising with the standards they have set for themselves. Chinese are an oppresive regime and the internet is not their domain. Although almost everyone here feels google should leave china but I donlt think they are going to do that as it would have commercial implications for google.
1- Google and the Internet are the mortar for the Global Village, and does this by facilitating information and exchange between cultures. By talking to each other, we discover that what we have in common far outweighs our differences.
2- Information and openness to the world are a direct threat to any abusive government.
Ergo, the Chinese government does not want Google in China.
GOOG SHOULD LEAVE INDIA TOO!
Google assists in arrest of Indian who posted against Sonia Gandhi
Gurgaon techie held for posting derogatory messages against Sonia Gandhi on Orkut
Pune, May 17 You can have an opinion about anyone in a free country like India, even someone as important as Sonia Gandhi, but if you are not careful about the way you give expression to it, you could land in serious trouble.
This is precisely what happened to 22-year-old IT professional Rahul Krishnakumar Vaid from Gurgaon, Haryana who was arrested by the Pune police for posting derogatory content about Congress chief Sonia Gandhi and Mahatma Gandhi on an orkut community named — “I hate Sonia Gandhi”.
Interestingly, the person who formed this community is not guilty as per the law. The police said that hating Sonia Gandhi is a personal opinion of the person who formed the community and having a personal opinion about someone is not an offence as per the law.
Vaid was charged under section 292 of Indian Penal Code and section 67 of the Information Technology Act because he created a profile and then posted content in vulgar language about Sonia Gandhi in the community.
Amol Bhokare, a Congress activist from Pune had lodged a complaint with Deccan Gymkhana police station against unknown persons in December 2007.
During investigations, the cyber crime cell of Pune police communicated with the Google company seeking details about the who formed this forum and circulated the obscene content. It was known that the vulgar message about Sonia Gandhi was circulated through an email address – Rahulvaidindia@gmail.com . The owner of the email id Rahul Vaid was traced to Chakarpur in Gurgaon city of Haryana.
Deputy Commissioner of Police Sunil Phulari dispatched a team of cyber crime cell comprising of assistant commissioner Netaji Shinde, assistant inspector Chandrakant Thakur, constables Navnath Walke and Sunil Shelke to Haryana.
The police team nabbed Vaid at his residence on Friday evening. The accused was brought to Pune by flight and produced before the Shivajinagar court on Saturday. Vaid has been remanded to police custody till May 21. If proved guilty, Vaid could be imprisoned for up to five years and may have to pay a fine up to Rs one lakh.
During interrogations, Vaid told the police that he posted the message because he hated Sonia Gandhi and was not aware that it would lead to a police case.
Vaid is a commerce graduate and was working in the hardware department of an IT company in Gurgaon.
I've never seen no competition with one fact.
Good job CNN.
I know some one tried to post his comments here but was unsuccessful. Look what CNN says -
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CNN does the same thing as Chinese government!
Yes. Leave China and do no more business where you're required to censor yourself.
Yes Google should quit China. It will take courage to take a stand against the Chinese government, no doubt, but in the long run, it is clearly the right thing to do. Stand up to the Chinese government, a brutal authoritarian dictatorship, and be one of the first Western companies to throw in you hat on behalf of Chinese people!
My Global teacher has taught me to question the government, but this government is filled with corruption and lies just like any other government there is. I mean U.S. government wants us to be "Christians" they to be leader and they want us to biased to other government and people. It just that we don't see it in our eyes because we've been poisoned that the U.S. government is the best and should be the best. Who says it is not right for the Chinese government to do such things? Their economy is about twice as better as ours. Even though I do think Google should leave are they the one that is to be right in this whole battle?
China, like Vietnam are authoritarian countries that oppress human rights and religious freedom. They are dictators that want to control every walk of life of the people. It's time someone standing up to them.
They need to stay in China until China decides to stop censoring data on the internet.
Google needs to Set a time line for China to abide by. If China doesn't follow through then pull out completely.
The United States already has too much in its hands, and we don't need China to be angry with us because of Google's choice, no matter how legitimate it seems.
It will take more then 1 internet Giant to stop the Dictatorship of China. This is just the first step to Change.
Google should immediatly stop all censoring in China. If they get kicked out, then THAT will publically show what the Chinese government's true colors really are. This showdown can bring out some good.
No. I don't think google's choice is right.
YES! China tend to illegally copy worldwide products, their entire technogical and manufacturing progress based on worldwide research. If China disagree with this statement – I guess they would be smart enough to maintain their own search engine, call it Chigle... Pull Google out from China!
Pulling out would be bad for the Chinese people. Regardless of if we like it China it a MAJOR player in the American economy. With out China's "cash" we would be in a world of hurt. They have trillons of dollars invested the America. With all the talk about about how bad the chinese government is, which I agree with the American ecomomy needs China, well at least their money. If Google isn't there some one will take their place and since the biggest search engines are from Goggle and MS I don't wonder too much who will pick up the slack.
Of course if they did that !I would thought google did this sooner it shouldn't even be in China they already got everything else oike come on.
Censorship is evil, plain and simple.
I think we should totally block chinese from the rest of the world via internet. until they treat their people fairly, they shouldn't be allowed to join the spoils of the free world
oh and when the people get censored, they need to stand up for themselves and demand what they want
Google MUST NOT pull out. Why worry, better fight back for the cause of Human rights
Yes they should leave china immediately. First of all they should not have agreed to censor search results and given the lengths government goes to get access to sensitive informaiton they should leave immediately.
all these stockholders can't talk here cuz they got a bias. as i stated previously, Google should leave. short and sweet. there isn't a bloody reason why Google should remain in china. i mean, come on, even the chinese comment saying that they don't need Google with their other sites. "Do No Evil." that is a slogan of false pretense that Google hides behind. GOOGLE, LEAVE CHINA IFYOU DON"T BLOODY WANT TO DO ANY BLOODY EVIL!!!!!
After reading most of the message I have to say google is Really good with PR. Good freedom fighter vs Bad communist is really working. As with any company it's all about money,you can win but you can get most of this type pullout. They do undetand the chinese "way" of saving face by sound like "go down in fighting".
In the end it come back to the quastion:Can a company do as they want,and don't have to follow the law(even if the law is bad or unfair,it's still the law)?
Google is beaten by Baidu, a Chinese company. You think Google is in a position to VS China?
CNN is putting the title "Google vs China" here trying to make China to look like bad at first place.
Did CNN report China's relief team, travelled much longer then the US, was first in Haiti.
CNN is twisting many facts!
China's Internet Boom, Games, Addiction & other news
Some factoids over an internet obsessed country.
1. China now has 360 million Internet users and growing. That's more souls on the Internet than the entire US population.
2. Google dominates in every part of the world, except in China, where local search engine Baidu dominates.
3. Shanda, a maker of Chinese MMOs, is one of China's fastest growing companies, if not the entire world.
4. China's MMOs and webgames, like Evony, are spreading fast throughout the entire world. Chinese online games are a major factor in the country's online addiction.
5. World of Warcraft struggles with domestic regulators, much to the chargin of Chinese WoW fans.
6. Although China blocks Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, the local arena is fast breeding ground for all sorts of domestic social networking, blogging and microblogging sites. Call them Facebook and Twitter clones as you will. There is also YouTube clones like YouKu.
7. As 3G begins to spread and carriers poised for 4G, China is also about to undertake a digital mobile revolution, from iPhones to Androids.
8. The Internet is becoming a centerpiece of modern Chinese life. It both transforms and yet disrupts. The government and society sees it both as a double edged sword, yet one must swing with the tide, as so they say.
Put all news here regarding China's net life.
The US government says it only spies on people for legitimate purposes. Then the US government spies on people such as John Lennon, Elvis Presley, Jesse Ventura, and others who are "threats to society." 1950s to 1980s China was even worse. China was bested by Russia.
Did you know the US government sometimes spies on various citizens, corporate officers,on its own government officials, and foreigners on US soil and on foreign soil? There are news reports, books, and documents detailing the persuasive power of blackmail by the US government and other governments. The US government uses espionage for blackmail and much more controversial goals, and so does China's government.
Major news corporations and the US government: "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction (that was bought from us). Iraq has ties to the 9/11 terrorists (the relationship is as deep as the relationship between the 9/11 terrorists and their stay in the US)." In other words, don't believe in everything you read, even from "authoritative" sources.
China has sent pornography sellers to prison, and the US has heavily fined and/or imprisoned copyright violators. Most porno sellers and copyright violators are unpunished (thankfully, or else China's and America's male youth would all be in big trouble, haha). China bans lots of stuff, but there are many ways to circumvent the bans. Yeah, the bans suck, but let's focus on what's actually happening in the real world. Let's not exaggerate problems or be hypocritical.
1st of the 2 interesting articles that looks at the bigger picture of Google vs China
Google and China: Silicon Valley Is No Longer King – TIME
Google and China: Silicon Valley Is No Longer King
The furor surrounding Google's bombshell announcement that it was contemplating withdrawing from business in China has centered on long-simmering issues of privacy, government control, and censorship. Google, a company whose DNA dictates that it "do no harm," is particularly well-cast in the role of defender of western values of freedom of expression and open access to information against a Chinese system that brooks no political dissent and reserves the right to forcibly prevent certain types of information ranging from political expression to porn.
But there is another story here, more prosaic but no less important to the future arc of global business and the global balance of power. Google has not been doing all that well in China, as many have noted in recent days, badly trailing the domestic Chinese search company Baidu. But it isn't just that Google has struggled. All of the New Economy western companies in the media and information business have failed to establish themselves in China. Before Google, eBay and Yahoo both made investments of years and millions upon millions of dollars to tap the fast-growing Internet generation in China, and like Google, they could not gain traction. Both companies ended up pulling the plug on their China ventures, with eBay losing out to domestic Chinese auction company Taobao, and Yahoo ceding its operations for an ownership stake in Alibaba.com (which also controls Taobao). (See the top 10 internet blunders.)
The failure of these New Economy players in China is in stark contrast to the success of brick-and-mortar companies. Consumer stars like Nike, food franchises like Kentucky Fried Chicken, industrial giants like General Electric and United Technologies, and technology behemoths ranging from Microsoft to Intel to IBM have prospered in China. In fact, mainland China has been the most impressive growth market for hundreds of global companies for the past decade. So how did Google stumble so badly?
The rap on China's growth is that there's lots of building and selling but not much innovation. In many areas of the economy, that's true — and the same could have been said for the growth of the United States at the end of the 19th century. But in the areas of media and the Internet, it isn't. There, China has a thriving culture of thirtysomething entrepreneurs, many with U.S. work experience, who are creating home-grown franchises catering to the burgeoning world of the web in China. Baidu, the rival search engine to Google, is most in the news lately; others include web portal and entertainment companies Sina and Netease; on-line, multi-user gaming company Shanda (which recently made an acquisition of an American gaming company and plans to expand to the United States); internet and mobile applications giant Tencent; and a host of others, some public, some still in start-up mode. (See the best business deals of 2009.)
These companies have a distinct advantage over foreign competitors because their founders and senior managers are part of the same elite class as the regulators who enforce the various and mostly unwritten rules of censorship. They have offices in Beijing, and they lobby the Chinese government through uncharted back channels and are in what amounts to a continuous dialogue about what is and what is not acceptable. This includes not only political censorship but morals — especially relating to porn and sex. Google may have hired its own cadre of Chinese executives but it — like Yahoo and eBay before — has always played catch-up to the more connected crowd of Chinese entrepreneurs and their companies.
Google and the Western media in general have effectively turned this imbroglio into a clash of morals. Perhaps. But it is also yet another symbol of the shifting balance of economic power globally. Other countries censor content, and not just rogue regimes such as the Iranian mullocracy. Web sites are blocked throughout the Persian Gulf and North Africa based on objectionable content and this hasn't created much of a furor. Other countries also engage in cyber espionage, especially Israel and of course the United States Government itself with the largest group of hackers in the world employed by the National Security Agency.
But China's efforts to censor and monitor the web represent a challenge to the uncontested hegemony of Western business and to the dominance of Silicon Valley in the world of new technologies. That story — of China's emergence and a burgeoning world of hungry entrepreneurs not willing to play second fiddle to America — is the backstory for the Google imbroglio and one that is about to assume center stage.
Zachary Karabell is the author of "Superfusion: How China and America Became One Economy and Why the World's Prosperity Depends On it" (Simon & Schuster 2009) and president of River Twice Research (RiverTwice Research :: Home)
Clash of the Titans
How the Democratic Republic of Google is testing China's appetite for democracy itself.
Google's decision to defy Beijing's rules censoring the Internet could be seen as an isolated event—one company pulling out of China for a set of specific reasons. Certainly many other firms are acting that way, hoping to continue their pursuit of profits in the fastest-growing market in the world. But in fact Google's decision reflects important and expanding strains within China, and in its relations with the rest of the world.
"China places unique limits on information," Google CEO Eric Schmidt pointed out to me last week. It is the only major country with an elaborate, formal system of censorship that all information-oriented companies must accept. That's why in China, if you type the words "Tiananmen Square" or "Dalai Lama" into Google (or Baidu, the country's leading search engine), you will find mostly blocked sites. At the same time, China has been busily developing the world's most elaborate apparatus devoted to cyber-spying and cyberattacks. Chinese hacking has ramped up over the past few years, directed not only at human-rights organizations, but, importantly, at foreign businesses and governments. Many, if not most, such attacks originate from China; former National Security Agency director William Studeman has called them the "biggest single problem" facing the U.S. national-security establishment.
Great powers spy on each other, but China's efforts appear to be unusually intense. They are also new. U.S. officials who have served in the People's Republic say that only a decade ago, they didn't need to sweep the U.S. Embassy in Beijing for bugs because the Chinese government would never spy on America so blatantly, for fear of the loss of face it would suffer if discovered.
The most significant shift that might be taking place in Beijing right now is an increasing disregard for its relationship with Washington and the West in general. During the 1980s and 1990s, Beijing's strategy of modernization produced a simple foreign policy: be nice to the West, particularly the Americans. The Chinese government needed the United States as a source of capital, as a market for its exports, as a provider of technology and know-how, and as a political ally to achieve China's goals, such as membership in the World Trade Organization. From Deng Xiaoping to Jiang Zemin, China's leaders followed that path and kept their eyes on the prize.
But over the past few years, China has been changing. Many within the ruling elite seem to believe that they no longer need the United States as much as they once did. How else to explain Chinese behavior toward U.S. officials and businessmen? At Copenhagen, China displayed an unprecedented level of disregard for the United States and other Western countries. Here is the former National Security Council official and seasoned China scholar Kenneth Lieberthal's analysis of that event and Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao's negotiating strategy:
"Chinese diplomacy at this meeting overall was somewhat puzzling. Second-level Chinese officials showed up at critical meetings of heads of state on Friday afternoon—the kind of clumsy tactic that Beijing is usually far too smart to employ. The open dissent at the Friday-evening meeting—including having one member of Wen's delegation shout and wag his finger at President Obama—suggests that Wen had lost control over his own negotiating team. (Wen told the translator not to translate this official's initial outburst and then simply ignored him the second time he raised his voice.) Was Wen going beyond the limits of his negotiating authority? Were members of his negotiating team protecting their personal flanks back in Beijing?"
Whatever the explanation, Beijing's behavior was novel. The Chinese government is usually obsessed with protocol, and would never before have treated a head of state like Obama, who outranks Wen, so cavalierly.
Times are changing, and perhaps Beijing is reflecting these changes. Over the past decade, China's own internal market has grown; its exports to non-Western countries are now significant; it has vast capital surpluses of its own. All this might be making China less willing to accommodate itself to Western ideas, companies, and governments. Western business leaders report that the Chinese government now frankly admits it wants to develop local champions and will not give Western companies unfettered access to the Chinese market.
In this sense, China does not resemble other small East Asian countries like Singapore or South Korea, which maintained an outward orientation even as they grew more advanced. Because of its size, China appears to be fixated on its internal dynamics and less focused outward as it moves up the economic ladder. China's cultural tendencies toward solipsism and a Leninist political system that feels threatened by some global trends only add to this growing parochialism.
Another recent shift has been the renewed centrality of the state. Yasheng Huang, a scholar at MIT, notes that during the 1980s and early 1990s, China's growth was mostly led by the rural, private sector. More recently it has been driven by the urban, public sector. This has empowered the state in the economy, a phenomenon that has accelerated over the past year as China spent 12.3 percent of GDP on its fiscal stimulus.
Whether Beijing's actions—toward Google, other Western companies and countries, and the Obama administration—are part of a new strategy remains to be seen. There are voices in China, often called "the new right," that advocate a more muscular, aggressive approach for Beijing. But China's leadership might also be divided, uncertain, and confused. Its actions might be the result of tactics and blunders, not strategy. (This is often the case with governments, and we on the outside mistake confusion for conspiracy.) Beijing confronts a set of new challenges abroad and at home, not the least of which is a looming succession struggle within the Communist Party.
Will China's new attitude cost it in economic terms? Perhaps. Certainly many scholars, like Carnegie's Minxin Pei, argue that the tensions between China's authoritarian regime and its economic ambitions are growing as the economy and society modernize. Schmidt argues that limiting information and communications cannot produce the kind of economic growth, creativity, and productivity that China seeks in the long run. But whether or not that is true, one thing is becoming clear: while the Internet is changing China, China is also changing the Internet. And while globalization has shaped China, China is also shaping globalization.
We have assumed, perhaps too easily, that China's rise would be accompanied by a process of modernization within that country that would make Beijing easier and easier to deal with. And in many ways that has proved true. But now we must confront a prospect that I have worried and written about—that China's rise will reinforce Chinese nationalism and a sense of uniqueness and actually make the country less likely to easily integrate into the global system.
The world transitioned seamlessly from British to American global hegemony largely because the two countries had very similar conceptions of global order and values. Both were seafaring, free-trading countries, with a High Protestant mission and a sense of shared universal values. As China's voice rises in the councils of the world, we will notice that it speaks in a very different language than the Anglo-American dialect. And this might prove to worry many countries beyond the United States and Britain. As countries like India and Japan and Australia and Indonesia think about a world in which Chinese values will shape the rules and routines of international life, they will find themselves discomfited. If China truly wants to be a world power, it will have to show that it has an outward orientation, open to the currents of modernity that are sweeping the world. How Beijing chooses to respond to Google will be a good test of its desire and ability to be a global leader.
Why waste time on propaganda? If I had the option to hang around a liar, I wouldn't. I don't to go CNN news or Fox news. I don't write letters to them. I shut them off and I tell everyone I know to shut them off, because they lie nonstop. If I could, I would send CNN/Fox to court to force them to stop lying and to fix their damages. I can't, though. The US court system already says CNN/Fox can lie, because news sites can blend facts and art. It's up to the viewer to decide what is a fact and what is an art.
Unfortunately, the average American is too dumb to differentiate between facts and art when they watch, "The Most Trusted News," or "Fair and Balanced."
China needs to improve its censorship to attack the real criminals, and to stop attacking innocent people. I am fully aware of China's horrible censorship system.
I am pretty neutral when it comes to China's propaganda and America's propaganda. I dislike both a lot. I want to wipe out both of them at the same time. Otherwise, I would be picking sides.
Google needs to see that we don't need to have the goverments in our cyber space as well. The goverment needs to stay out.
I lived in China and I utterly hate their censorship. The propaganda there is ridiculous and is trying to continue to brainwash the people of China. This is only the first that we're going to see over the censorship issue. China can't afford to cut off any major ties. It'll be interesting to see what will happen.
yes please leave.
Economically speaking it is failing as a mere 2nd place and if it leaves then a bigger market share will be given to local search engines to help the domestic economy. Enough chinese people knows decent english to navigate google.com without needing google.cn.
Plus I've tried the new BING search engine and honestly the image search area of BING is really impressive, I'd be glad should google leave NOW and let the market be opened up to an alliance of Microsoft and Yahoo.
I support a certain degree of internet censorship simply because, to put it honestly, a large part of the world's population is just too stupid and brainwashed by their biased media to make a decent or civilized comment. Under the current world conditions there are many things I'd like to see kept out of China. American patriot act gives the police rightful access to any personal information when necessary (vague), In 2007 in Canada a new law was introduced which gives companies the ability to provide personal information to the government if needed. According to Can article on CBC's site, many countries has a similar law.
I wouldn't have minded if google just admitted that they were under political pressure and failed economically in china so they're leaving, but the way they are now, being a sour loser and making a big deal putting up a front of human rights and using excuses like hacking (to be honest this happens in every country, if you search closely you'll find many democracies whose very laws give government entrance to personal information "should they see fit". As for freedom of speech, in India 2008, a 28 year old IT tech voiced that he hated Sonia Gandhi, he was arrested and Google immediately provided the government with the gmail email information to the government. This is the worst double standard EVER).
so LEAVE. DO IT. out of the entire market in china google takes up only around 1/3, with its google china operations (google.cn) only taking up barely 1%. Make a choice, or don't complain, google.
and may i remind "chaz" from above...
"I think we should totally block chinese from the rest of the world via internet. until they treat their people fairly, they shouldn't be allowed to join the spoils of the free world"
well you'd be happier living in the past. please recall a time china was like this, beautiful, rich, and yet shut within itself. We were happy.
Don't forget who opened china's doors by force. It's too late to regret the decisions, countless of tons of opium and endless rounds of looting too late.
the so called free world plundered china of everything he had, left it to rot, and now comes back with all their fancy talk.
not an easy choice, get out or try to help chinese people to move their country toward democracy! google you got my support regardless .
X.Yu u talk too much and pose a simple stand. i respect that. but, propaganda is something all modern countries need that, without it, we would all be rather uninformed, even if that is for the better, but it keeps up a countries morale and also invokes, at times, a spirit of patriotism in a nation when it is needed most. Google is using said propaganda to make the chinese govt. make a choice to show the world what everyone ones but the chinese govt. tries, at times, not to acknowledge. that they are a communist regime that wants total control of their people's lives. What thought is needed to know what side to choose?
YES!! YES!! remember the Titan Rain attack? It is SOOOO obvious China wants to steal our very livelihood away from us, one little piece at a time. My own FTP site was brute force attacked (unsuccessfully) just minutes after it went on line, and the source was China!! they have boatloads of PCs running 24/7 just to hack ours and steal info. It's in their culture that it's OK to steal it instead of developing it themselves. We should just pull the whole internet plug to China – only way to stop em.
Anyone thinks that the communist gov't has better things to do then attack a foreign business operating in its country??? Everything is circumstancial; plus its more
likely than not that it was Google's competitors in China such as bai-du (a complete google knock off) people just be jumping the gun...
@Greg. You made me laugh. "Boycot Chinese goods!!!"
i always used to send flowes on my ex-GF but now i seldom do so~*'
I am doing research for my university paper, thanks for your excellent points, now I am acting on a sudden impulse.
Lot of global tensions is going on at this time. Japan is expected to pull out its money from the global market as they want to revamp their country now. In current scenario anything can happen in the Share market Investors are advised not to panic and stay invested only safe traders and investors should exit their long positions on every high and one can use every decline as an opportunity to enter market again.
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