Tune in at 16:00 London, 19:00 UAE

Live from Abu Dhabi Connect the World takes you on a journey across continents, investigating the stories that are changing our world.

Live from Abu Dhabi Connect the World takes you on a journey across continents, investigating the stories that are changing our world.

Global view on gay marriage heats up

August 11th, 2010
03:41 PM ET

(CNN) Supporters of gay rights are still celebrating a federal judge's ruling in California that struck down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage as a violation of the U.S. Constitution. 

The ruling has raised emotions in not only the United States, but in countries around the world.Same-sex marriage is currently legal in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, Iowa, New Hampshire and the District of Columbia, while civil unions are permitted in New Jersey.

Worldwide, 10 countries have legalized same-sex marriage - most recently Argentina at the end of July. 

Many other countries have approved civil unions and registered partnerships and still others are debating a legal status for gay people. 

Despite the growing number of countries, predominantly in the west, that allow same-sex marriage or recognize civil unions, homosexual behavior is still illegal in countries like Pakistan, Nigeria, Kenya and the United Arab Emirates. 

As the debate heats up, Connect the World held a special edition of our program alongside a very lively online chat.

Here are some highlights from our special show as well as how the online chat went below. Feel free to continue the discussion by leaving your comments below.


Posted by ,
Filed under:  General
soundoff (645 Responses)
  1. FlexSF

    Being born and raised in the U.S., I expect to be treated equally under the law. Anything less is unacceptable!

    August 11, 2010 at 4:06 pm | Reply
  2. Henry

    I honestly can't see what is the issue? How in anyway will legalizing gay marriage effect anyone negative??

    We in South Africa are very fortunate to have the rights that we do.

    August 12, 2010 at 1:28 pm | Reply
  3. Mo

    Personally speaking, I would rather see the advancement of equal immigration rights for binational couples who are in long term relationships. Gay marriage only benefits U.S. citizens who are free to be with their (domestic) partners anyway. It's just "icing on the cake" for them.

    What about the U.S. citizens who've had to emigrate to another country in order to be with their foreign-born partners, those of whom are unable to immigrate to America? We're the ones being shunned by the U.S. Government, and we deserve the same rights offered by other countries who sensibly allow same-sex immigration.

    August 12, 2010 at 2:54 pm | Reply
  4. .Joe Kilker

    There is no such thing as marriage between homosexuals, it doesn't exist

    August 12, 2010 at 4:44 pm | Reply
  5. Jonas Libak

    Of course gays should have the right to marriage. After all, isnt the United States the "land of the free"?? However, I dont see why gays do want to be married in the christian way, seeing how the religion (and most other religions) talk so much shit about them^^ Then again, the US consist of many states... let each one decide for themself if you ask me.

    August 12, 2010 at 4:45 pm | Reply
  6. .Joe Kilker

    Marriage is between a man and a woman. Rapists, Sodomizers, Porn addicts and homosexuals are breaking the law and acting immorally by any standard and have no right to infringe on the rights of normal people

    August 12, 2010 at 4:45 pm | Reply
  7. Jonas Libak

    Oh, sorry. It does seem as each state DO decide for themself:) Forget about that.

    August 12, 2010 at 4:47 pm | Reply
  8. doodah

    The real issue should be how we as a nation consider gay marriage an issue worth debating. This is an embarrassment for the U.S. We are the flagship for personal and natural freedom, yet we are arguing whether we should give these natural rights to free citizens.

    Just shameful.

    August 12, 2010 at 4:49 pm | Reply
  9. Sambo

    Once gay marriage is completely normalized the gay lobby will turn its attention to the Holy Grail of the homosexual agenda- the lowering of the age of consent.

    August 12, 2010 at 4:49 pm | Reply
  10. Dana

    All peopke should be treated equally under the law. Same sex marriages need to be legalized in every state. Even super-macho Mexico now recognizes same sex marriages in some states. It's time for the USA to catch up.

    August 12, 2010 at 4:50 pm | Reply
  11. Brad

    Join the debate? Why bother. The media is so one-sided that all they publish is anti-christian, hate filled rants against anyone who disagrees with the gay agenda. Even non-christians who disagree are torn apart.

    I've never seen such cry baby sore losers since Al Gore lost the vote against George W. Bush in 2000!

    August 12, 2010 at 4:54 pm | Reply
  12. Thomas

    Coming for a Christian background, i don't think same-sex marriage should be legalised because the very foundation of marriage is a union between a man and a woman. There is just no other way to define a marriage. Marriage is also sacred and it is only a right to those who seek to protect its integrity.

    Think of why homosexual have a higher tendencies of contracting HIV, it is just unnatural, and morally wrong to its very core, end of argument.

    August 12, 2010 at 4:54 pm | Reply
  13. Will

    Sambo, what are you implying! The "homosexual agenda", im homosexual, and I don't have an agenda, but I do want equality.

    August 12, 2010 at 4:56 pm | Reply
  14. Eric

    Regardless of your feelings on this isssue, a civil debate is a good thing. Please leave your hatefullness out of it.

    August 12, 2010 at 4:57 pm | Reply
  15. adeniji tunde

    Itz not GODLY n I knw dat it will definitelly not be acsepted in NIGERIA.

    August 12, 2010 at 4:59 pm | Reply
  16. Theo

    Forget the word marriage. Use civil rights, civil partnership or whatever. The society is used to the word marriage as man and woman. So, lets move on with equal rights, as a same sex union. Let the church be happy with the word marriage.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:11 pm | Reply
  17. Gaj

    gays should be treated as equals in a lot of stuff like employment, schools,politics etc but in serious issues such as adoption the child should be put under serious consideration to prevent him/her from being confused.it is easier for an adopted child for mom in a same-sex union than in a heterosexual union. i do not support same-sex marriage.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:13 pm | Reply
  18. Rakesh

    Its all about human emotions n gays r not different....

    August 12, 2010 at 5:15 pm | Reply
  19. David

    My husband and I married in MA in 2004. We go through the same ups and downs that any average married couple might go through. We have disputes over certain chores, financial responsibilities, etc. In 2007, we chose to move to Israel–a country without a separation of religion and state.

    This lack of separation effects all couples that desire to enter into a non-religious marriage as there is no civil marriage here. Many opposite-sex couples marry in Cyprus and, then, upon return to Israel, register their marriages with the Ministry of Interior. This is an undue burden on all interracial / inter-religious marriages. In furtherance of justice and equality, the Supreme Court of Israel chose to recognize same-sex marriages performed abroad as being equal to opposite-sex marriages performed abroad. Because of this ruling, my husband and I have more rights in Israel–once again, a country without separation of religion and state–than we did in the US, our birth country. (We often puzzle over the fact that our marriage was recognized by the State before my conversion to Judaism.)

    Of course, we hope that one day all citizens of Israel will be able to marry the partner of his/her choice without an unnecessary trip abroad. In spite of the current situation regarding civil marriages here, we are grateful that Israel's Supreme Court sees our relationship as equal to any opposite-sex couple's relationship. Three years after our move, I continue to look upon my national identity card, which bears the name of my spouse, and smile.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:15 pm | Reply
  20. Monique

    No to gay marriages! 1 Corinth 6vs 9. At least Mugabe is right about one thing.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:17 pm | Reply
  21. BeHeardVote

    Oh and PS CNN: you people are pretty sick. 'Are you in favor of or against gay marriage?'

    Why don't you try that with, 'are you in favor of or against illegal aliens?' or 'are you in favor of or against interracial marriage?'

    How about 'are you in favor of or against Israel?'

    'Are you in favor of or against little people?'

    'Are you in favor of or against slavery?'

    'Are you in favor of or against human trafficking?'

    That you continue to try to benefit through a war for basic, equal human rights is the lowest form of low.

    Go to hell.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:17 pm | Reply
  22. David

    To those of you insisting there exists some sort of "gay agenda," you're right. The gay agenda is equal rights as granted in the Constitution!

    August 12, 2010 at 5:18 pm | Reply
  23. Angus Hogg

    Despite the pretensions of those who seek to present it otherwise, this is for many people a moral issue. Like the legalisation of drugs or prostituion and the acceptance of abortion, it is too simple to say that this only affects the individuals who wish to 'marry' – it affects the entire society. Many people believe, and I do too, that there is something fundamentally flawed with same sex relationships. The acceptance of such practices is a sign of a decadent and dying society. As has been demonstrated in the UK and Europe, a society quickly moves from acceptance of such practices, to the overt persecution of those who do not. Permitting homosexual marriage is a key sign, if one were required, that a nation has lost its moral compass. A once great society is embarking on a route to self-destruction – the implementation of 'gay marriage' is a clear sign of that. I personally can never accept it as good, normal or wholesome. No doubt I will inevitably face the wrath of the voracious gay community, who are an increasingly powerful lobby in the once free world. It is amazing that 4% of the population can have such influence on a society, and make people frightened to engage their common sense and good judgement.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:20 pm | Reply
  24. Geiri

    Wanda Sykes really got it right when she said this:

    “If you don't believe in same sex marriage, then don't marry somebody of the same sex."

    Why the need to force your own morals over other people? It's two consenting adults it's not like they are hurting anyone.

    I'm so glad I live in Iceland. We have a openly lesbian Prime Minister who is married to another woman.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:22 pm | Reply
  25. Ieo

    Its so interesting to find out that some gays are interested in adopting children... is this also in the name of equal rights.
    Maybe the fact that a gay couple is interested in having a child means that they were not even suppose to be gay.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  26. Rakesh

    If we talk about a law we must respect it..i guess m blessed to see gay rights legalised in my country.(INDIA). still it ll take time for people to come out..apart from this m really blessed wid friends who r really encouraging n treat me as normal.. yah , its true i have been dominated n rediculed for being a gay.. but it doesnt make any difference.. its all about ur life.. .. the humilation i suffered has made me strong..n happy for being wat i m...

    August 12, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  27. Alex

    Of course gays and lesbians should have the same rights as straight people – especially in Europe and in the US where we are proud of the fact that everybody's equal. If you are not gay, it doesn't concern you. People should stop poking their noses into the private lives of their fellow citizens. If you're against gay marriage, then don't marry somebody of the same sex and mind your own business. Just the other day I saw a video featuring Newt Gingrich (the former speaker of the House) speaking out against gay marriage and warning that the "sanctity of marriage" is being destroyed by gay people. Give me a break! Gingrich has been married three times!

    August 12, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  28. Steven

    MARRIAGE IS NOT A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.

    I hate it when people talk about how "it's always been that way", people, it's changed THOUSANDS of times, even the Bible consisted of incestuous relationships like that of Abraham and Sarah, but I don't some of you are for bringing those back, right?

    August 12, 2010 at 5:35 pm | Reply
  29. Paolo

    I am for gay marriage because I am for human rights. The arguments of those who are against human rights are logically flawed – indeed, they all want to END arguing. Some use St. Paul, or some other dead person's words, or God's words (so they claim). Gay marriage is incendiary because it presents non-thinkers with their ignorance. And here I go – calling ignorant those who disagree with me – well, at least I do not demand they live the way I say they should live. People believe what they want to believe, see what they want to see, say what they want to say (for the most part). I like BeHeardVote's message (few posts above), but I do not share the final envoi. CNN is trying to do some business with an incendiary topic. But so what? Isn't CNN's job to do just that?

    August 12, 2010 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  30. Paolo

    The question is not whether gay marriage is right or wrong; but whether states should allow it. I believe they should because some gay people want to get married. Those who call into question the danger gay marriage poses to hetero-marriage deprive some gay people of their rights. I also believe that sports are bad for everyone and that high-fructose corn syrup is very bad, especially for me. So I go to the gym but abstain from sports and stay away from sodas, but I would never dream of promoting political action to prevent others from doing sports or drinking sodas. Those who deny gays their rights to marry are a violent bunch and we need to unmask their violent nature.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:44 pm | Reply
  31. ZL_SK

    In marriage is a husband and a wife. Who is husband and who is wife if they are both men or women? It cannot be marriage between two men or two women. It would be better to give another name for them, no marriage.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:44 pm | Reply
  32. JKW

    I have worked part-time and full-time in churches all my life as a musician. Some denominations are accepting of homosexuality and some aren't.....and in each of the later, there are ‘renegade’ congregations which are accepting (against what the denomination preaches). Only one church in 35 years did I have to 'cover' my sexual preference. All the rest were accepting. So, not all church-going, religion-believers are against gay marriage. Some may have an issue calling it 'marriage' and some may have an issue if it is done in the church itself. But as so many others have said, this is not a religious issue, but one of the State. I lived in England for 13 years where church and state are one.......yet they legalized civil unions years ago! But England does not have the fundamental Christians that the US has. These people have been taught their beliefs (just like racial prejudices?) by close minded, emotional-strong leaders rather then rational, logical-minded leaders.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:46 pm | Reply
  33. dolroc

    I dont know why a man would love to be with a man that behaves like a woman or why a woman will like to be with a woman that behaves like a man. Why not go for the real thing. I just cant dig it.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:48 pm | Reply
  34. dolroc

    Man and Woman not man and man or woman and woman.

    August 12, 2010 at 5:49 pm | Reply
  35. Wale

    The truth is, while i want to believe in the principle of equality, there really is no basis when it comes to same sex marriages. Ive begun to believe that really its a lost cause trying to fight the morality of homosexuality, now we have gay marriages. Personally i believe being gay is a psychological disorder that can be healed with therapy and the Grace of God, hence my treating them with pity and not hatred. They have simply lost their way. To try to allow two men or two women live together to desecrate the sanctity of matrimony, while children become collateral damage is simply outrageous. The way these themes are beginning to infiltrate our homes through movies and some childrens programmes is alarming and THAT is not equality. I choose to ignore their existence. Slowly we are becoming the victims!

    August 12, 2010 at 5:54 pm | Reply
  36. Sacredlady 89

    Well. first of all, Marriage is a religious institution ordained by God for one man and one woman. A man should leave his father and mother and get married to a woman. It is also a Christian ceremony. Same sex unions are civil unions that has been created through sin and lust. Obviously, something is twisted upstairs. My suggestion would be to find someone of the opposite sex and go for it!!! If this continues the world is doomed!!!

    August 12, 2010 at 6:01 pm | Reply
  37. Ciaran

    The anti same-sex marriage argument is so weak but yet so unyielding they cannot see reason.

    Some of the main arguments include religion; the bible says same-sex marriage is bad! The bible actually makes very little reference to homosexuality. Granted the few references it does have are against it and it is referred to as an abomination but in those days "abomination" meant unclean. To touch the skin of a pig made you unclean, as did eating shellfish. The bible has a lot more to say about matters such as adultery but our society doesn't stigmatise people who commit that. Opposite-sex couple can remarry as many times as they like. Rush Limbaugh for example is very anti same-sex marriage but he recently got married for the fourth time! The sanctity of marriage indeed.
    Religion should also not be referenced for the pure and simple fact that not everyone is a Christian and the United States is a secular country. Why should atheists, moderate Christians, and people of other faiths be bound by what the Bible says?

    Another argument is the ancient definition of marriage should not be changed. Marriage never began as a union of love it was a property contract. A father would give his daughter to a family in exchange for negotiated assets, how romantic! Marriage has evolved over the centuries and it will continue to do so.

    Others claim the point of marriage is to procreate and since same-sex couples cannot do so they should be denied the right. What about women past the menopause and infertile people? By that same logic they should be denied the right as well. Same-sex couples can and do have children in their family. Denying those families the right of marriage excludes them from countless legal rights and protections. Denying the right of marriage to certain families damages those families, including the children.

    In terms of the debate in California many people say that the majority of the population don't want their state to issue same-sex marriage licenses. That doesn't make it right! When mixed race marriages were illegal the majority of the people agreed with that law. Were they right to do so? During WWII the majority of the American population opposed joining the war in Europe! Do think they were right to let Hitler annex Europe and commit genocide unopposed??? Others say that the democratic process should be honoured and since a majority vote outlawed same-sex marriage that should be the end of the matter. The human rights of a minority should NEVER be put to a popular vote and decided by the majority!

    August 12, 2010 at 6:04 pm | Reply
  38. Jeremy

    "Once gay marriage is completely normalized the gay lobby will turn its attention to the Holy Grail of the homosexual agenda- the lowering of the age of consent."

    You really think that? Come on...they're gay, not pedophiles. You sound like Glen Beck grasping for anything that may potentially shock someone into believing in his (reckless) cause.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:08 pm | Reply
  39. Samonsty

    I wonder if all things people want to do can be granted because "they are purely individual matters. Has anyone the right to "marry" his/her pet? May be its an alien contraceptive. Anyway should they be granted this right – which a'm sure they will – would they still maintain their rights to air their views on children? You can't eat your cake and have it, this is natural law.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:12 pm | Reply
  40. doodah

    Everyone with a religous or moral issue have forgotten how to seperate their religious (personal) beliefs from American Law. The law states freedom for all equally. This is not equal rights but personal beliefs of morals intruding into the public realm.

    I have no desire to live in your shadow nor do I want to walk in your shoes. The institution of marriage is not yours to define nor is it yours to mandate.

    All that disagree with gay rights or marriage confuse the rights of a free people with the conflict between the actions of these free people and your moral compass. Your moral compass is degrading the Constitution of the United States and it's laws.

    Legally there can be no other conclusion than the rights of all people to marry those they love, regardless of sex.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:14 pm | Reply
  41. dare

    1) I love it when people quote the bilbe as being against gay marriage as it proves they have not read the bible. If they did the US would be stoning women like they do in Iran amongst other things. Since most poeple have moved beyond that point let us put aside religon for this topic. It is just like a minster talking about heaven and hell ..if he does that leave..there is no heaven or hell meantioned in the bible. NO where...people use the bible for their opinons without reading it even minsters.

    2)Since the divorce rate in the USA has reached 50 percent if more than 50 percent of gay people stay together then i will have to presume that gay people are better at marriage and straight people should stop marrying. If the only reason for marriage is for raising children then barren couples, unproven couples, and females outside of their child bearing years should be excluded.

    3)Various countires have had gay marriage for a long time to no ill effect . Please get over yourself by thinking you are doing something new. You are not. Those countires are just fine. The US people have to stop swallowing the idea that they are the most progressive country in the world. They are not. If you look at societial indicators the US is years behind almost every western country.

    just be cool. don't be a fool

    August 12, 2010 at 6:15 pm | Reply
  42. Tuba

    Live and Let live! Simples!

    August 12, 2010 at 6:19 pm | Reply
  43. Alberto

    it shouln't be called marriage, maybe gay-agreement or so. It's important to distribute the rights on each equity anyway . It's not about love, just legal. Here in SouthAmerica Argentina started with this tendency and what I can see it is just part of human nature being legalized. You can accept, stay away, however, lots of people change their mind during their lifes, even in the later years.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:19 pm | Reply
  44. bijay

    I am from India, I only came out 6 months ago, and its only been a year that gay consensual sex has been legal in my country..so its a long way off for us here ..but I am hopeful and will stand up and cry out to any one who will hear ...Why Should I not have all the rights you as a straight person has ...why? Do I get Taxed any less?

    Marriage is a bond and a formal contract between two people ..hopefully in love, so what business does the state have , ensuring that one party is a women...and I simply refuse to believe what religion, and culture has to say...we used to burn women with their husbands at his funeral ...I rest my case.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:20 pm | Reply
  45. Brandon

    Where do some of the people here like "joe killer" get off saying the things they do? i am a 18 year old, just about to turn 18 in a world where i have never commited a crime, stayed at the top of my class, am preparing to attend some of the best collages in the nation, and i can even have the same rights as a child molester? as a rapist? all simply becuase i am a homosexual. In a nation, where i have strived for excellence and to be the best, i have been denied the simple right of marrying the one i love, becuase it is un godly? well how bout this? I AM AN ATHIEST! ur god doesnt apply to me, Now wat? wat reasoning do u have to deny me the simple right of marriage? there is no logical reasoning to deny one rights that they dont believe in, We tried that before to the african americans, to the indians, and for those of you who know, that did not work out so well. So why do we continue this discrimination up? why is it fair to deny someone like me the rights you would give to someone who is not even worthy of the scum on the bottom of my shoe?

    August 12, 2010 at 6:21 pm | Reply
  46. lojax

    Here's a big part of the problem. The debate on Gay marriage assumes Homosexuality in normal behavior. It is not. Even evolution speaks against it. If homosexuality was a normal part of the evolutionary process none of us would be here. Homosexuals are non reproductive. Every Homosexual person owes their existence to a Heterosexual mom and dad. Heterosexuality may beget homosexuality but homosexuality begets futiltiy as far as the human race goes. Homosexuality is a deviation from normal human functioning. Therefore Gay marriage would institutionalize a pattern of relating that goes against human nature itself.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:22 pm | Reply
  47. Bela Hu

    Why are people so afraid of gay marriage being a 'threat' to society? Over in Europe more and more countries allow gay couples to get married (with equal rights) and I don't see any 'threats' to their societies...

    August 12, 2010 at 6:24 pm | Reply
  48. Tim

    With the law of God there is no debate! Read I Corinthians 6:10. The law of man does NOT supercede God's law.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:25 pm | Reply
  49. Ivan Rueda

    I'd would like complement FlexSF comments, I wasnt born nor raised in the US, I m from Colombia. and I still expect the same kind of treatment than a heterosexual person gets. This should not be exclusive for develop countries, it needs to be a universal sort of agreement.
    Who we decided to love and how we decided to live our life shouldn't be an issue.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:27 pm | Reply
  50. Albert Brancato

    Germany counts as a country that is liberal toward gays and lesbians. But while Germans in general are favorable to gay marriage, the political community has been fighting it tooth and nail. The rights of homosexuals in Germany are not the result of legislation from Berlin but have been forced on the country by anti-discrimination rulings of the European Union. We still do not have gay marriage here!

    August 12, 2010 at 6:29 pm | Reply
  51. E

    What's the big deal? If you don't want to marry a person of the same sex, then don't. I'm straight and it doesn't affect the 'sanctity' of my relationship at all. I have friends that are gay that are far more thoughtful, moral, and kind people than many/most of my straight friends.

    Why do so many people think that gays are so deviant? I would venture a guess that the vast majority of rapes, date rapes, molestations, porn addicts and the like are committed by so-called normal 'straight' people. Maybe the gays should generalize the heterosexuals as the real deviants, as the heterosexuals are so fond of doing to the gays.

    These are the same people that argued so successfully against interracial marriage in the US for so many years by quoting the bible and saying how immoral, deviant, and wrong it was and how society would fall apart if the races were allowed to intermarry. We're a racist, bigoted, sexist society and have been for hundreds of years whether or not we admit it to ourselves. Even women couldn't even vote for most of our history. Yeah, land of the free.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:35 pm | Reply
  52. Mark Staves

    Gay people do not tell Christians that they are abusing their children by feeding them fairy tales and hate from the bible. Right wing Christians may not like homosexuality but it is not their place to interfere in the lives of other people and impose their own misguided beliefs on others.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:37 pm | Reply
  53. Bela Hu

    I Corinthians 6:9 (!) refers to sexual acts of injustice and exploitation between two men, not to a loving relationship based on mutual consent.
    And I guess this is what the legalization of gay marriages is all about.

    And then, what about lesbian relationships/marriages? No one who based his opinion on translations of the Bible has been able to give me a good answer to that.

    Speaking of agendas: if there should be such a thing as a 'gay agenda', please tell me more about the 'heterosexual agenda'. There is a gay part of the population as diverse as ANY part of the population, and definitely not one single agenda...

    August 12, 2010 at 6:43 pm | Reply
  54. Alberto

    Whether we like it or not homosexuality is not human nature but it is part of it. One who is not gay will continue having babies. I don't think Mindkind is in danger because of this.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:46 pm | Reply
  55. Alberto

    Sorry, I mean Mankind...disculpen 🙂

    August 12, 2010 at 6:48 pm | Reply
  56. Vikkk

    Ok, I'm bi and I don't understand why homosexuals want to get married, it's such a burden. All these marriage freaks that say it's between a man and a woman are hallucinating because "God" is a delusion. The Bible is fiction and nature is subject to change, evolution, that's what makes it so beautiful. Homosexuality cannot entirely be "unnatural."

    August 12, 2010 at 6:53 pm | Reply
  57. Dave

    America was not founded on discrimination. We made mistakes in the past, but equality prevailed. It is time to end the debate. Equal rights for all Americans. Stop the homophobia. The Federal Government, and the President need to put an end to the debate. Legalize gay marriage.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:54 pm | Reply
  58. John D Public

    This should be a no brainer in a country which profess laws of anti sexual discrimination. This is sexual discrimination plain and simple by all definition. If a man or woman gets a sex change and then marries someone who was previously of the same sex is considered married. Then the issue of same sex marriage is merely semantics and constitutes sex discrimination, and is just as arbitrary as saying that two blondes of the opposite sex that get married are in violation of some arbitrary or subjective moral standard which violates the premise of fairness in a society which professes the concept to not discriminate based on hair color. So they are in fact in violation of their own edict. So as a result it can be concluded this issue is sexual discrimination as plain and simple as it gets. It is a bias based on the sexual variance of one or the other partner in a relationship which equates to discrimination based on the sex of a particular individual. Period.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:55 pm | Reply
  59. lojax

    Regarding Mr. Staves comments, please understand that homosexuality has been around a long time. Even the Bible attests to that – remember Sodom and Gomorrah? If Christians are against Gay marriage it might have to do with one of the Ten Commandments, I'm thinking of "Honor your father and mother." This commandment suggests that marriage is between a man and a woman. The fact that the command is personalized "your" assumes parentage and heterosexual marriage. There are many reasons to find fault with homosexuality and not all of them are biblical. And just because other nations have allowed it still does not make it normative behavior.

    August 12, 2010 at 6:58 pm | Reply
  60. Paul

    Unless you're a bigot, or have a problem with your own sexuality*, what's the problem? Respect and equal rights for everyone.

    *That so many gay-bashing preachers turn out to be closet cases says something, doesn't it?

    August 12, 2010 at 7:00 pm | Reply
  61. messenger

    Sodom was destroyed with burning sulphur. seconds before that happened the gay men from that village were banging on the doors of Lot, asking him to allow them to have sex with the male guests who had just arrived. And minutes before that those gay men were fondling each other sexually, (of course in consent with each other). This is a crazy account of history of Sodom and Gomorrah. reason = perversion, lust of an unnatural kind. complete mockery of the laws of nature. homosexuality is just one of the symptoms of falling prey to the viles of the Devil. Does America want to end up like Sodom. and yes, this has nothing to do with being an economic power or not, perhaps Sodom also was good in economy.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:00 pm | Reply
  62. Heitor Lopes

    I live in Brazil and this kind af issue is far away from my reality. I think americans should "fight" for their rights! Once it´s a first world country, your politicians must give the example of citizenship for the rest of the world. It´s sad to know that now a days we still have to argue with other by subjects like this. Society has faced gays for many decades and it seams like they don´t get it! We aren´t just a part of nation, we´r the nation itselfs!

    August 12, 2010 at 7:02 pm | Reply
  63. Thomas

    To Bela Hu, i would like to point out that 1 Corinthians 6:9 states that in KJV: 'Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.'

    This verse is not just about two men, but also if you come to think of it applies to lesbians, because ultimately this passage is addressing the unnatural relationship of the same sexes.

    Now you did not mention if you're a Christian or not, if you do, you should know full well that it is not allowed, a clearer passage is when you refer to Genesis, when God created a man (Adam) and a woman (Eve), a union comes from here. God sanctify marriage between different sexes as well as monogamy.

    I am from a Christian background, so i am not sure where your background is, i am trying to point out what i understood as how a Christian should be.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:05 pm | Reply
  64. messenger

    damn right thomas

    August 12, 2010 at 7:09 pm | Reply
  65. Palestinian View

    I dont understand why this is such an issue. If gays wish to marry like anyone else they deserve it, who are we to deny them such rights? If your God wants of you to intervene in someone elses private life and their happiness then he is truly not a God.

    Leave the gays alone!

    August 12, 2010 at 7:11 pm | Reply
  66. John D Public

    In a secular society whose intent is not to base its social acceptability in a status quo of moral behavior based on a value system instilled in society by a specific religious belief. It is the ultimate mistake to superimpose subjective morality of any religion upon a populous based in a society which declares separation of religion and government and is ultimately misguided. Secular by definition is not defined by any religion. Which is inappropriate in a society which supports as its inhabitants people of every religion on the planet. Since all religion involving belief in a higher being is based in faith not empirical evidence. Belief in a higher power is just that “BELIEF” and holds no more validity from person to person then if I BELIEVE that three toed lizards live on the surface of Venus because it came to me in a “VISION”. Therefore the perception that “ God “ dictates the union between a man and a woman as the only justifiable definition of marriage is just as foolish as insisting that a relationship of marriage is only considered valid if the people are married by a catholic priest and everyone else is living in sin. That is why it is improper for a so called secular society who professes the moral standard of not discriminating based on sex to in fact hold a double standard and discriminate based on sex.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:17 pm | Reply
  67. Thomas

    If you base your moral principle of what the society thinks or how it evolves, then you don't really have much of a moral compass to start of with. This is because moral values changes over time with society, as more iniquities abound, more exposure in how many Tv channels glorify gay or lesbian as being the norm. This ultimately will influence those who does not have strong core beliefs.

    Moral values should never change because personally i believe in the existence of a moral giver (God). Only God judgement is pure, what is right will always be right, and what is wrong will always be wrong. There's no way to circumvent this and if you think clearly, this must be the only way.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:18 pm | Reply
  68. lojax

    History speaks against this issue. The widespread tolerance of homosexuality by society is largely a recent invention. It emerged only in the last 30-40 years as this issue was championed by its proponents. Never in the history of mankind has homosexual marriage been imagined let alone embraced. Are you saying that we now know better than all those who went before us?

    August 12, 2010 at 7:18 pm | Reply
  69. John D Public

    In other words DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU. Hmmm wonder where that came from ?

    August 12, 2010 at 7:22 pm | Reply
  70. ola

    Gay union is never and will never be a marriage.It is simply an absolute nonsense,a perversion of human relationships.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:27 pm | Reply
  71. Sharon

    To all you Christians who would like to deny homosexuals the reight to marry, can you show me one passage not from the old testament that says homosexuality is wrong? With the coming of Christ we entered the New Covenant and the curtain between the alter and ourselves was torn in two. Where does Christ Himself say that these people should be ostracised? Instead he called for loving your neighbor as yourself and taking in those who have sinned. This does not apply only if they are straight or only if they meet your definition of the "right" kind of person. If we are to trully be a reflection of Him in this world do you think this is the image he would project?

    Finally, I do not think the right to marry is a question of religion (and even if it were we do supposedly have freedom of religion in this country don't we?) but a question of civil rights. Equal protection under the law. Equal rights under the law. We used to limit those based on skin color (often by popular vote too) and now we are trying to limiit them based on sexuality. We've nearly gotten rid of all the Jim Crow laws in this country but now we are trying to impose Uncle Ann laws? What is wrong with us?

    August 12, 2010 at 7:28 pm | Reply
  72. Tim

    Call it anything you want just not marriage. It is not marriage. OR call it marriage, then give them a state sponsored honeymoon in Saudi Arabia or UAE with t-shirts that read "We just got gay-married under California state law and we are going to have sex in your country. Let Sharia law take care of the rest. Equal rights for all.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:31 pm | Reply
  73. John D Public

    Why is it that the religious are always professing for people to see the light when they demonstrate that they in fact are the least enlightened group of people on the planet.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:32 pm | Reply
  74. Ademola

    If every body is a gay of lesbian, there won't be a gay or a lesbian. Who would have given birth to them?

    August 12, 2010 at 7:33 pm | Reply
  75. Thomas

    To John D Public, i can clearly see that you're not a Christian, so your views would be different to what i held. The 'Golden Rule' you mentioned do indeed comes from Jesus Christ as mentioned in Matthew 7:12 in KJV: 'Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.'

    This passage does not mean you can literally apply to every concept that you would like to apply it on because of its convenience. Since you and i both don't hold the same belief, its just not possible for you to just use it that way. The Bible does not only consist of the Golden rule, there are a lot more to it than just that, so to use it in that way to try to 'win' this argument is plain ignorance.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:35 pm | Reply
  76. Luis

    I don't care if gays wan't their civil union, give it to them. What bothers me is people treating it as it is a "normal" thing. It is not normal, it's a deviation from the natural relation of species.

    If any species were 100% homossexual they would extinct, plain and simple. For someone to feel attracted only for the same sex, and not follow the instincts and desires to procreate means there is some problem with their brain wirings.

    Even our body hormones are all based on the attraction of the opposite sex.

    My point it, give them rights, but never act as it is normal.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:35 pm | Reply
  77. matt

    The real issue is not gay marriage its that the PEOPLE voted this law in and it isn't the right of a judge to over rule the people. I thought we were the example of democracy for the world.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:38 pm | Reply
  78. John

    Why are there laws about "marriage" in the first place? If people want to have a shared economy, let them write their own contracts to regulate that, whether they are two men, two women, one of each, or a party of ten. If they want mutual inheritance, let them write that in their wills. If they want to perform any rituals, let them organize that with their priests/imams/whatever. Etc. Why do we need a religiously tinted, state-registered package deal? Can't the state just stay out of people's private lives?

    We should have gotten rid of this at the same moment that we decided about separation of church and state. It's silly.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:40 pm | Reply
  79. Nikki

    It is advised not to eat crustaceans because their consumption will damage our health.
    It is advised not to practice consanguineous marriage because it will affect the health of our descendants. I can go on with other examples… We all know these principles and we all accept them as they have been proved scientifically. However, these principles have been given to us in the Bible (in Leviticus 11 and 18) thousands years ago. God never intended to stop us enjoying life but to protect us. And to those who say: "it's their own business!" I strongly disagree. This matter concerns the all nation and Let's not wait for the scientific explanation…. I leave you with a quote from Ernst Toller "At that moment of realization I knew that I had been blind because I had wished not to see…"

    August 12, 2010 at 7:41 pm | Reply
  80. Thomas

    To Sharon, your understanding of Christianity is indeed accurate, but i would like to point out that, as we entered this new covenant in which our salvation is only by grace of God through Jesus Christ. You ask for the scriptures of the new testament which condemn the act of homosexuality, 1 Corinthians 6:9 mentioned above answers your question. Do not literally take Jesus's love for granted, you spoke as in a license to sin because you know we are all sinners.

    If that does not convince you, refer to Hebrews 13:4, please read your bible properly before making such a statement.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:42 pm | Reply
  81. Mel

    Just had a discussion about this last week over facebook with a Catholic friend opposed to same sex marriage and this sums up what I was trying to get through to her:

    People can have their opinions based on their religious beliefs, but in the context of the American government (and any other country where there is separation of church/any religion and state – and this is the main thing most opponents of same sex marriage conveniently forget: separation of church and state) the opinion of people that marriage is a sacrament should not have bearing on legislation regarding the status of same sex marriages.

    The fact remains that marriage is a SECULAR issue in any country run by a non-theocratic government. It is not the government's job to pass religious judgement on people, civil marriages (i.e. marriages recognised by law wherein the couple is accorded state-granted rights and benefits) and religious marriages are two separate issues.

    Bottom line: The legislative debate over same sex marriage should be an issue of constitutional rights, NOT moral opinions.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:45 pm | Reply
  82. John D Public

    TO Thomas : Your conclusion is subjective interpretation based on YOUR belief system and is no more valid for me then me wishing to impose on you some arbitrary justification of say my belief system such as if I BELIEVE that three toed lizards live on the surface of Venus because it came to me in a “VISION”. And thus you must believe also. Stop trying to impose on me your beliefs they are YOUR beliefs. An thus this is why your argument is invalid and ignorant on a level the far exceeds my lack of knowledge in the “BIBLE”.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:47 pm | Reply
  83. John

    matt:
    Yes, a judge has the right to strike down laws if they are deemed to be unconstitutional, regardless of whether they were passed by a referendum or by the legislators. If that really is your issue you should have complained about it long ago, the rules have been like that for centuries. It's not very honest to moan about it now just because you don't like this particular outcome.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:48 pm | Reply
  84. ShirazM

    Given that marriage is a legal instituion – and it is, given the legal protections, legal restrictions, and legal privileges that it affords a couple – it is entirely illegal to afford it only to a select group of people. If marriage was based entirely and exclusively in a religion (any religion), then the arguments that various individuals and bodies make that marriage should be only between a man and a woman would hold some water. Marriage is not regulated by a church (or synagogue or temple or mosque), but instead by the legal, governmental authority that issues marriage licenses, and so there is no excuse, or legal basis, for withholding a legal right from gay people. To deny same-sex couples the right to marry is discriminatory practice and utterly illegal.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:50 pm | Reply
  85. Paulo A. Pereira

    I'm pretty much intrigued by the very nature of this debate. As far as I can see, the issue of same sex marriage or whatever one may wish to call it, is an issue of extreme importance to homossexuals and only them, who by some unexplcable reason don't yet have that basic right.

    Why are other people are so concerned about it ? To what extent, if any, this issue affects non-homossexuals I haven't the slightest clue.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:51 pm | Reply
  86. John D Public

    This argument is not about if the United States should follow the Bible but if we should discriminate based on the sex of an individual and that is why dragging religion and religious interpretation in to what should be a secular argument is not acceptable.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:51 pm | Reply
  87. Emeka Aghadiuno

    God was the one that created marriage and not man, What ever they want to call it, that should be their business. But please, they not marriage. I am totally against it cos its not a natural behavior, it will only promote other abnormal acts like incest.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:52 pm | Reply
  88. lojax

    Regarding John D. Publix comments related to ours being a secular society. You have a lot of faith in secular society as a vision for this nation. You must see it as a system of some worth. But that system cannot operate without some underlying faith that it is operating in society's best interest. How do you know that the principles espoused by your secular vision are best for all? I'm afraid that if you divorce yourself from history and those regims that were truely guided by secular principle (Hitler's Germany for instance) you may not like the outcomes. Gay marriage may appear innocuous to you now, but for many of us it is a hinge issue that will shape our culture for years to come in ways yet to be quantified. It's an unnecessary societal detour from the reliable trails that have guided and guarded us as a nation.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:52 pm | Reply
  89. Christian Mother

    I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, not Aaron the Levite or not Saul/Paul of Taursus. Love god with all your heart and soul. Love one another as you love yourself. All this hatred and anger and FEAR are not of Christ. Let them marry. State marriages are of the state. If their house of worship permits, let them have a religious wedding. Next thing you know, these idiots will be going back to divorce only if the man wants, no rights for women or children and women and children going back to being chattel. I believe for some, that is their true goal. Some , perhaps even dream of the days when Aaron's laws on the pricing of slaves return..

    August 12, 2010 at 7:52 pm | Reply
  90. Perplexed

    CNN's home page says "join the debate on gay marriage".

    Perhaps next week CNN could allow us to "join the debate on equal rights for black people".

    CNN – do you realise how offensive you are?

    August 12, 2010 at 7:55 pm | Reply
  91. Thomas

    To John D Public, honestly i never imposed my beliefs on you, if you read carefully, i said i came from a Christian background and i never put it in a way to make or intend to make you feel that way. You speak of the Golden rule, that's why i am explaining it to you based on what i should know better because i am a Christian myself as i have clearly stated.

    I don't know why you felt that way, but i don't feel or felt like you're imposing your beliefs on me, we are both like i said earlier, have different beliefs and values, that is why i put out the statement as early as possible to avoid this very situation.

    If you're still not satisfied, then there is not much discussion i can held with you.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:57 pm | Reply
  92. Bela Hu

    To all those who like to quote the Bible: please learn Greek and the meaning of the words in that language – and the context of how these words were used 2000 years ago – before you quote a translation, because the English version was not translated by God.

    e.g. the KJV (dating back to 1611) uses the word 'fornicator' which had a very different meaning to the greek word 'pornos' – a male prostitute. Why would KJV choose to use 'abusers of themselves with mankind' for one single word in Greek: 'arsenokoitai'? I could continue telling you about the meaning of the original Greek words but you might choose to continue believing in the meanings dating to 1611.

    The word 'homosexuality' did not exist until a few hundred years ago.

    August 12, 2010 at 7:59 pm | Reply
  93. Christopher

    The right of consenting adults to choose with whom they would like to live and share a relationship is fundamental. Yes, gay marriage should be legal. It's that simple.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:00 pm | Reply
  94. Ian

    There is no such thing as .Joe Kilker. He doesn't exist.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:00 pm | Reply
  95. Stac

    YES its lifed!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:00 pm | Reply
  96. Michael

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
    have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
    knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
    the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
    Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of
    debate.

    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other
    elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

    1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
    female, provided they are from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
    claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
    clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
    Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
    price for her?

    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
    period of Menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how
    do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
    pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
    They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
    35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
    to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

    6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
    abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
    homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there
    'degrees' of abomination?

    7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
    have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
    glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room
    here?

    8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
    around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
    19:27. How should they die?

    9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
    me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two
    different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
    made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also
    tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go
    to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?
    Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family
    affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
    I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
    considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.
    Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

    Your adoring fan.

    James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus,
    Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education
    University of Virginia PS (It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a
    Canadian)

    August 12, 2010 at 8:01 pm | Reply
  97. freightrain7

    This is an anything goes society. There will soon be no limits to what man will sink to. I don't hide behind the supposed mythical book. I'll declare what it says. It happens to be a book of principles to which this society has none. If it makes you feel good by calling me a bigot because I disagree with a so-called lifestyle then so be it. It's wrong, perverted and shamelful. For the record, it's the activity, not the person. Jesus loves people but hates sin. Oh, the part about he that is without sin cast the first stone. It's not about stoning. Its about redemption and forgiveness. Read the Book.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:02 pm | Reply
  98. sabrina herring

    if you don't want or like the idea of same sex couples having sex..let us get married! would work like charm! 🙂 get married = no more sex.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:02 pm | Reply
  99. get real

    thanks, Perplexed! was about to post similar, but you summed it up. not a question, CNN! quit bigot-baiting.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:02 pm | Reply
  100. Salvador Favela

    Equality before the law.....that's all

    Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, render unto God that which is God's, Matthew 22:21

    August 12, 2010 at 8:03 pm | Reply
  101. John D Public

    Tto Lojax: Just because religion is based on a societal structure that promotes harmony and coexistence and in which our particular case does happened to come from a Neo Christian belief system which is the root of the current system we use does not make it bad but also does not make it the only methodology for interpretation of what is best for society. That is why interpretation of the law based on the infringement or personal rights is adjudicated by the courts system and not the Pope for example.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:03 pm | Reply
  102. elevate29

    When deceived, one has no way of knowing it. You are not gay. Homosexuality is a sin, plain and simple.

    Unfortunately, as a nation, we continue to push the LORD further away. When it soon hits the fan, people will blame God for doing it. He isn't doing it – we are. We reap what we sow. When we push the LORD away, He goes. So, we are left to our selves.

    Whoa, so someone really thinks that he is supposed to marry another guy – if there were such a thing?

    It's a sin. You cannot legalize sin.

    Watch what happens.

    This grieves the LORD. His love is just too big.

    Repent

    August 12, 2010 at 8:04 pm | Reply
  103. NYCNYC

    @Joe Kilker...what are you talking about? Porn addicts can't get married? You don't know any straight porn addicts? Straight people who engage in anal sex cannot get married? Again, what on earth are you talking about?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:04 pm | Reply
  104. Bob ODonnell

    Absolutely not. Haven't you read?
    "4 ... Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
    5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?"
    Matthew 19:3-5

    August 12, 2010 at 8:05 pm | Reply
  105. xanidu311

    @Sambo: Do you have any idea how crazy that sounds? It's comments like that that keep people in the dark about the facts. Your claim has nothing to do with fact but is an opinion filled with fear and hate. I will pray for you.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:05 pm | Reply
  106. Locke

    Only in America would you throw a religious book into a legal system. You may be a young country and all, but please grow up.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:05 pm | Reply
  107. Anthony Klein

    Ask Canadians how legalizing gay marriage negatively affected their lives, they won't know what to say.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:05 pm | Reply
  108. Zip

    All we ask is to not call it marriage. You can say it's equal but don't say its the same. No other institution has the POTENTIAL of creating offspring without external influences. Marriage is therefore special and separate and should be held as a separate entity. Gays seem to have to have everyone agree their relationships are excatly the same as hetrosexual. Combining two similar things is a grouping it is not marriage.
    Next we'll have to say I'm in a hetrosexual marriage or I'm in a gay marriage becasue being married won't mean you are with the other gender. There IS a difference.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:06 pm | Reply
  109. Ryan

    I feel the United States should do what Holland/Netherlands has done. Divide Marriage and Civil Union and Church and State. Marriage should be classified for religious beliefs, if you don't agree with your church, go to another church that supports your views.

    In the Netherlands you have two ceremonies, one that is done by a judge and one that is done by the Church of your choice.

    The United States should only recognize Civil Unions for everyone. To be considered a LEGAL couple in the USA you should have a Civil Union even if you are a straight couple.

    If the Religious Right wants to classify Marriage as between and man and woman let them..... but I will go to a church that will consider my union with my partner as a marriage.

    This would put an end to all debate on what Marriage is and put it on each Church to decide who they consider Married. My Church considers my partner to be my husband who I have MARRIED. If the US Government gets to decide on what Marriage is doesn't this mean they are interfering with a religious belief?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:06 pm | Reply
  110. Amanda

    The real issue is the difference between religious belief and law. Whether or not you agree on a moral basis, the religious condemnation of homosexuality has nothing to do with the law. It's called separation of church and state. If you would like to live in a place that God's law and government are one and the same, I suggest moving out of the country.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:06 pm | Reply
  111. Adela

    You don't want to allow me the same rights as my fellow citizens?! Ok. I'll take a tax discount.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:06 pm | Reply
  112. John

    The word marriage means the union of one man and one woman. Women dont have to become men or call themselves men to have the same rights as men. Blacks don't have to call themselves white to have the same rights as white. Gay unions don't have to be called marriage to have the same rights. Most americans have no problem with legal gay unions, they just dont want the term marriage changed because it is part of our heritage. I am gay, as long as I have exactly the same rights I do NOT care what it is called. I live in Canada and very few gays get married despite the word marriage applying to gays as well. I think barely 5% of gays marry and less than 1% of marriages in Canada are to gays, the majority of them to foreigners.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:06 pm | Reply
  113. Colin

    Seriously Joe Killer? Putting gays in the same group as rapists, sodomizers, and porn addicts? What do homosexuals have anything to do with any of those people? Plus who are you to tell any of those people that they shouldn't be allowed to marry? If a rapists finds a woman who he loves he should be able to marry her (as long as she agrees).....Sure lets ban gay marriage, only if we ban divorce for hetero couples. Hell while we are at it lets make the bible our new constitution.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:06 pm | Reply
  114. John

    Wake up Bible quoters: we do NOT live in a theocracy. Keep your nice book and its sayings because the LAW rules this land, not your religion. And the LAW says we all deserve the same rights.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:07 pm | Reply
  115. Karma

    I guess it will multiply the rates of Aids around the world, married gay couples will probably raised mora gay humans. ew!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:07 pm | Reply
  116. Thomas

    To Bela Hu, if you know your history better, then you would know that the KJV is the most accurate english translation out there available for consumption, and sadly i don't know Hebrews, but it does not mean the translation is wrong or people who doesn't know Hebrew should not be allowed to read the bible, the concept is as close to the original scriptures.

    I don't think we all need to learn a different language to learn or accept people of different races with different language. All we need to do is have a universal language where both parties can understand one another.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:07 pm | Reply
  117. Ben

    HELL YEH qURL!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:08 pm | Reply
  118. Tpowers

    Christians, and other religions, always need someone to keep down, someone to feel superior to. It will always be like this.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:08 pm | Reply
  119. Bryan

    Honestly, when Americans stop worrying about things in society that are non issues this country wuld be a far far better place. What does it matter if we allow fellow Americans to be married to the ones they love? I mean isnt this one of the basic needs as a human to be happy, to expierience love with another? If you actually oppose their rights just sit back and think of what business is it of yours? Who are we to judge people for what they are? Personally I think love is always beautiful and I say more power to them!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:09 pm | Reply
  120. justanotherstraightguy

    One day, I'd love to get a civil union...to a woman. It seems so much less stuffy than a "marriage" *shudder*

    August 12, 2010 at 8:09 pm | Reply
  121. mark nyc

    yes, yes, yes. let us get married.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:09 pm | Reply
  122. Jane

    People need to relax, if they want to get married let them be, they aren't hurting you right?? so dont stress it. Who ever gets upset that they want to get married is just plain stupid . LET THEM BE, and dont be.

    Its not Gay people that's messing up this world its The men and women that get divorced after one year, and have debts that they never pay....smh

    August 12, 2010 at 8:09 pm | Reply
  123. John D Public

    To Thomas : But you would impose your belief system on me and everyone else in your interpretation that GOD defines marriage in a specific way and this what I am speaking of. Even though I am not gay you would limit what I am allowed to believe is right even over a secular system that guarantees my rights to me own beliefs.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:09 pm | Reply
  124. word!

    If your against gay people getting married then blame straight people....they're the ones having the gay babies!

    side note.... marriage was more of a business contract than anything else waaaaaay before the beginnings of Christianity. It was good business sence to marry off your children because it fostered trade and goodwill between neighbors. Love? not really. Profit? You got it.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:10 pm | Reply
  125. lojax

    To John D Public – You'll have to explain to the rest of us how you can justify your beliefs as objective and chastise those you disagree with as being subjective. That's as convenient a ploy as labeling someone homophobic. You obviously have a lot of feeling, passion and emotion about what you propose. I don't think you'd bother to write anything about this issue if you were not subjectively touched by it. The question here is what is reasonable and historically consistent with our national belief system and are we willing to deviate from it to allow a small, but visible portion of the population redefine normalcy.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:10 pm | Reply
  126. Crysee

    Anyone who even mentions religion or 'god' into this argument is a fool. If you want to bring silly cultish ideas into deciding our laws then move to another country. Homosexuals are not asking for 'religious marriages', they are asking for 'civil marriages', which every citizen has a right to. Unfortunately, any religious group/church can discriminate about who they want to marry based on race, gender, and sexual orientation. The main point that must be seen here is that homosexuals are now a normal part of our society, and they will eventually all have equal rights under our United States Laws. To protest against gay marriage is futile.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:10 pm | Reply
  127. Joe I

    I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of life reading through idiotic comments such as those of Angus and his "ripping at the very fabric of US and global society". Your ignorance is what is tearing at the fabric od society, not well-meaning people who were born gay. Mr. Kilker, you are a true prize and I bet you make your mother proud with that ignorance and bigotry. Maybe there should be an IQ test before posting here, I bet the gays are more intelligent than most of these posts.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:10 pm | Reply
  128. Todd

    What i find so funny (and by funny i mean stupid) is the biggest argument that people against same-sex marriage has is "the Bible says its immoral" "the Bible this" "the Bible that"... since when does the government run on the Bible. I could have sworn that there was supposed to be a separation between church and state... where'd that line go? Oh, I guess it doesnt exist for gays as a "second class" citizen. Oh and the sanctity of marriage is a load of bull!! Two gay people who love each other cant get married, but if a man and woman want to get married just for fun (aka Britney Spear's 52 hour marriage (though i do love me some Britney) makes marriage sacred?? I find that hard to believe...

    August 12, 2010 at 8:10 pm | Reply
  129. welches, oregon

    I thought marriage was about two people who loved each other. When did that change?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:10 pm | Reply
  130. John

    Hardly any gay people will actually get married. In Canada, it has been legal 7 years in the major provinces and in Netherlands for 10 years. Less than 1% of marriages in either country are to gays and 95% of gays are unmarried. It is not going to be common. I just think gays should have equal rights, if its called a civil union, there is no problem with that. That is what they do in the UK, Germany, France and numerous other lands.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:11 pm | Reply
  131. J.R.

    To anyone opposed to gay rights: where does your justification come from? The Bible? Yea, that's been disproved by Science numerous times, and no, it wasn't written by God, in order for words to exist on the page, they must be written by a flesh & blood human being; plus the misunderstanding, misinterpretations that have happened throughout the centuries. You spend how many millions to prevent gay rights from becoming reality when in today's economy those millions could be spent on better causes. We have the homeless, the hungry, the sick and the jobless; but apparently the happiness of people who don't have anything to do with you and mind their own business is what you insist on destroying. You are out of touch with reality and definitely no better than the terrorists. The way you've hijacked Christianity and used it as a weapon is incredibly disgusting and Un-American. TRUTH BEFORE FAITH.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:11 pm | Reply
  132. ShirazM

    Oh yeah, Karma. Gay people only raise gay kids. Like straight people only raise straight kids. Good one there.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:11 pm | Reply
  133. people are crazy

    it seems so simple.

    when equal marriage rights were allowed in massachusetts, the country did not dissolve, massachusetts did not erode into the ocean, nothing catastrophic happened in the personal lives of those against same-sex marriage, the sky did not fall...

    live and let live crazy people. if you are that insecure move somewhere that does not claim to allow freedom.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:11 pm | Reply
  134. Alexis

    I thought religion and government were not supposed to be mixed. America has strayed soo far.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:11 pm | Reply
  135. Brian

    @Henry

    "I honestly can't see what is the issue? How in anyway will legalizing gay marriage effect anyone negative??

    We in South Africa are very fortunate to have the rights that we do."

    You don't see the issue because you are using your own standard for what is right or wrong. The issue is not if it is effecting anyone in a negative way, but if it is pleasing to God, and the bible tells us it clearly isn't.

    Now you'll say, "well guess what I don't believe in the bible" but it doesn't matter because truth is not relative.

    Just from the fact that you are able to chose right from wrong and you being a logical being is the very proof that the bible is true. In short, a person must stand on biblical presupositions in order to try to refute the bible.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:12 pm | Reply
  136. Dana

    Why not just call a "marriage", whether it between two women, two men, or a woman and a man, civil unions for everyone? This would make a LEGAL term for a contract between two consenting adults. But at the end of the day, the federal government does not define a marriage as having the ability to procreate, so that cannot be the foundation of marriage in LEGAL terms.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:12 pm | Reply
  137. k canty

    If someone wants to enter this institution of marriage with the opportunity (maybe or maybe not) to lose 1/2 of what they are worth, they are more than welcome.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:12 pm | Reply
  138. Nick in Pasadena

    There's really no valid argument against giving gay and lesbian citizens the same rights as straight citizens. All of anti-marriage equality arguments boil down to "I think it's immoral" or "the bible says it's wrong". Not good enough.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:12 pm | Reply
  139. Viking71

    Last time I checked, not one single religious establishment owned the trademark or copyright to the word/term "marriage".

    A marriage is a formalized union between two people. Period. That some people apply their own filters/interpretations/definitions (e.g., through religious doctrines) and say it can only be between a man and a woman is incredibly narrow-minded and prejudice.

    Who the hell cares if two women or two men get married?!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:12 pm | Reply
  140. George Estelle

    Why are we calling this Gay Marriage – it is just marriage. The US Government made Marriage a business when they decided to grant 1,000 + Federal Benefits to those who marry. Any Adult that meets the minimum age should be allowed to get a legal Marriage and enjoy the benefits granted to them –

    August 12, 2010 at 8:12 pm | Reply
  141. Colin

    Thomas, I do not care that you are Christian...this is the United States we are a country of many religions so our governments laws should not be based off of just your religious views. And seriously? Trying to bring up the HIV thing saying thats God's way of punishing them? There is actually a very logical reason to it. (In very simple words) Because they are doing it in the back entrance there is a 100x more chance of blood meeting together and forming HIV than when heteros do it in the front entrance.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:13 pm | Reply
  142. Wryter

    You don't have to call it marraige. Just treat me and the one I love equally and with respect.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:13 pm | Reply
  143. Mike Salerno

    "Many people believe, and I do too, that there is something fundamentally flawed with same sex relationships. "

    There IS something fundamentally flawed. That statement.

    In the United States of America where Freedom and Liberty for All is a buzzword, it seems that it doesn't apply when YOU don't want it to.

    I am a proud American, except when things like this issue come up. Disgusting, that so many people want to put their morality and religion on other people's freedoms.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:13 pm | Reply
  144. Michael

    Tiger woods cheated on his wife with 9 different women, Elizabeth Taylor has been married 9 times, Men are beating their wives, Brittnany Spears has a 12 hour marriage and straight people have been getting married for green cards for decades. Do you REALLY think gay people are going to screw up marriage as badly as straight people have?? I HIGHLY doubt it. I think straight people are scared that we will show them how it is really supposed to be!
    If you dont support gay marriage...dont have one!!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:13 pm | Reply
  145. mrtoolbox

    Gay is WRONG.
    God is RIGHT.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:14 pm | Reply
  146. chrissy

    Of course gay marriage should be legal. We were all created equal and should be treated as such. Who are heterosexuals and church-going, so-called "religious" people to deny us this basic right? They should be ashamed of themselves. It's pretty sad that they can't even come up with a rational argument as to how and why gay marriage negatively impacts them and/or our society as a whole, yet they continue to make this ridiculous claim. Allow us to live our lives and love and marry as we see fit. Enough of us having to fight for equality, while we watch so many heterosexuals destroy what the true meaning of marriage is. Love is love and it should be celebrated, not discrimiated against.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:14 pm | Reply
  147. Daniel

    Why can't gay people marry?
    what is wrong with that.
    Seperation of church and state people or we wil end up in dark ages again.
    Those who want religion based politics should move to Iran, Suadia Arabia or Israel.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:14 pm | Reply
  148. Michael

    We have had SSM in Canada since 2003. Contrary to what we were told by some people, the sky did not fall, and pigs did not fly. We continue to murder each other at a much lower rate than in the God fearing USA. We don't abort our babies as often as they do in the God fearing USA, and our unmarried teenagers don't get pregnant at the same rate as they do in the God fearing USA.

    We have not had a major storm or earthquake, and we only had a minor recession because there was one in the USA. So it would appear that maybe God is judging you Americans for depriving fellow citizens of their rights.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:14 pm | Reply
  149. Juneygabriel

    The courts of this world can make this legal all they want, but they will not change the truth, that homosexuality is a sin and gay 'marriage' is not marriage. All these people want the law to sanction their marriage, want to be recognized and have equal rights in this life; they should all be worried about what will happen in the afterlife when they are judged by the almighty God. Making it legal doesn't make it right.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:14 pm | Reply
  150. NYCNYC

    @Wale, your personal opinions on homosexuality being a psychological disorder? Does it not matter to you that the psychological community is firm in it's determination that homosexuality is not a disorder? Did you bother to check, or are you just going to rely on what your pastor has to tell you?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:14 pm | Reply
  151. Bobby Nakka

    If for a long time you own a ferrari and all of a sudden someone want to call it "Pinto" it is not acceptable is it?

    That is the underlying issue with this debate. I am for one not against gay marriages, as long as they don't call it marriage. Call it some other name and it will be just fine. The whole debate is to have the privelege to have a union. I think that privilege should not be denied to them but to claim it is the same as the age-old marriage is where a lot of debate lies.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:15 pm | Reply
  152. Arlah A

    To Thomas:

    You said this:
    'This passage does not mean you can literally apply to every concept that you would like to apply it on because of its convenience.'

    Hmm, sounds a bit familiar to me. Sounds a lot like those who cut-and-paste Bible verses around and only apply the ones they find convenient to their everyday lives.

    Thomas, I really hope if you believe in the Old Testament's verse that states homosexuality is an abomination, that you haven't ever eaten pork or shellfish, had sex with your wife while she was on her period, and if you were ever in debt, I hope to high heaven above that you sold any daughters you might have.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:15 pm | Reply
  153. Daniel Okunuga

    Marriage is a civil right. I'm straight but I believe gay people should have the same rights as the rest of us. Prohibiting gay marriage is no different from the Jim Crow or pro-slavery laws. It is singling out a group of people to discriminate against.

    Many people state that gay marriage violates God's law. We have separation of church and state in this country and cannot legislate our own version of reality.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:15 pm | Reply
  154. Sarge

    I love how people compare homosexuality to rapist, child molestors, incest, etc.... Are you people freaking crazy? Seriously... I want to see in what debate that any homosexual has made that they want to do any of these things. Oh and because its not "normal"... Define normal... There is no normal in the US strictly because its based on individuality! Do not base this decision on religion... It has absolutely nothing to do with religion! I have my faith but for people to say that God created marriage... Give me a break. Only God can judge what makes anyone think that he needs help? I am a lesbian and my wife and I will be in 100% support of equal rights!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:15 pm | Reply
  155. jersey1881

    This is a sin. I don't want to be hateful, and I'm not. I have a loving heart, and I would like those of you who are standing tall and proud right now to look in your hearts. If the Bible is too hard to read, please read the version called The Message. It's written in today's language and much easier to understand. Gay marriage is a sin, and you will have to answer for that sin when you meet Jesus. Your current joy will not last – the fun that sin brings never lasts. Real joy and peace comes from Jesus. Read the Message.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:15 pm | Reply
  156. EqualityPlain&Simple

    Its a social turning point for America, again. Civilizations evolve, and civil rights too evolve as the world changes around us.

    Each social progression has been accompanied by the blind hate and fear that we see even today. Though unfortunately, its also not unexpected.

    Its unfortunate that America has chosen not to lead the world in equality; rather its far behind both is neighbors and many other countries who share a similar standard of living.

    The stragglers who still believe in inequality, and who cover their blind bigotry with a bible or shroud of false 'morality' need only to look deeper into their faith. Tolerance and compassion – I'm pretty sure it was in that book too.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm | Reply
  157. Gretchen

    YAY!!! We won!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm | Reply
  158. Jane

    @ Viking71

    wHO CARES??, THEY NOT HURTING ME SO, I DONT STRESS IT!!

    LET THEM BE!!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm | Reply
  159. Danny

    I am torn on this issue, becasue I believe in sepration between church and state. But I am also Christian, how can I change the Bible to be Poltical correct ? I do not feel it is goverment or church to tell other who they can marry or live with in their own home. But the church dose have the right to marry some and denial others. There are signs that claim God hates f#gs, but I do not believe in a God like that. If you are born gay then how can it be a sin as other claim it to be ? I believe in secular marriage for all people and relgious marriage for those who wish to follow the rules of that relgion. Pointblank, marriage for all and not just some.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm | Reply
  160. Chris

    This ruling is just the first step in the total demise of the sanctity of marriage.

    If this is pushed through, expect lawsuits to start coming in from polygamists who want to take second or third spouses complaining that their civil rights are being violated. What about the person who sickly wants to marry their sibling – aren't also the laws that prevent that violating their civil rights? Why stop there, lets not violate the civil rights of American citizens who want to marry children.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm | Reply
  161. abdulsudi

    Never mind gay marriage,I'm against homosexuality at all.
    Being gay is wrong and its not something that you're born with.
    Deep down everybody knows its wrong but the society makes it seem its normal.I wonder how Americans can call themselves Christians when they permit such acts.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm | Reply
  162. Erica

    Sure! Land of the free...anything goes. Why don't we legalize Polygamy while we're at it? Gay acts are not illegal in the States. Gays are not persecuted, and shouldn't be. But what gays are looking for is special privileges and recognition to justify what they do and promote their agenda. And to make churches marry gay people is more unconstitutional than NOT redefining marriage in the constitution. Let them be partners, but leave the definition of marriage alone.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm | Reply
  163. Brian

    .Joe Kilker, how is the right of gays getting married infringing on your rights? Give me just ONE example of how any gay man or lesbian getting married will affect the rights your you currently have?
    Religion isn't a factor in any decision to marry or not. We have a separation of church and state in this country.
    Whether you believe in something, agree or disagree with something its a personal view. I personally don't see what the big deal is about marriage, whether straight or gay, but does that mean because of my belief marriage should be outlawed?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm | Reply
  164. Larry and Scott

    Partnered for 23 years in Texas no less!

    Let's pledge 1 million same sex marriages before a Supreme Court ruling! Any legal state is fine.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm | Reply
  165. Michael Davidson

    The fact that this is even debated is proof that religion still plays too heavy a role in United States government. Gay marriage isn't just about being able to marry the person you love, it's about being 100% equal.

    All you religious wackos need to get a grip. The God you purport to love and worship would never act as disgracefully and disdainfully as you all are acting. This is just another shining example that organized religion – I did not say Faith, I respect Faith – is deadly to society and equality.

    Let me say this: if you don't believe in same sex marriage then don't marry someone of the same sex. Plain and simple. Someone else's marriage should have no effect on yours. If it does it's because you allow it to. Worry about your own house and not someone else's.

    And for everyone who says that allowing gays to marry destroys the sanctity of marriage (again, that's the organized religion of the Fundamentalists ... who really are no better than the Taliban ... rearing their ugliness) ... let's make divorce illegal. If you get married and cheat on your spouse, beat your spouse or file for divorce let's make it a capital crime if marriage is so sanctimonious. Yes, I know that's over the top, but stop and think about your own position for a minute.

    Idiots.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:17 pm | Reply
  166. MileHighInCO

    Bela Hu, Thank you for making that correct point. The translations from Greek to our 'Modern' Bible have been mistranslated. Don't quote the bible unless you are quoting it in it's original form and you know the meaning of Greek from 1800+ years ago.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:17 pm | Reply
  167. GUEST

    If the guys who live next to me wanted to get married...I say go for it. People believe too much in "God". It says in the bible that "God" created us in HIS image...meaning that a part of him was obviously Homosexual and HE'S OKAY with that because so far I have yet to see a Homosexual couple be struck down by a lighting bolt or plagued...So ya I am down for homosexuals getting married.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:17 pm | Reply
  168. Thomas

    John D public, you insist on me imposing my beliefs on you when i already told you clearly that i have explained above that i am not. If you insist on accusing me of doing that and if that creates an excuse for you to berate me then go ahead as you pleases. I know what i wrote above denies any of those accusation you held against me. Read the comments entirely, not only the part you find convenient. Once again, you are being ignorant.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:17 pm | Reply
  169. Dave

    Finally something we all agree on as stated by FlexSF! We are all equally protected under the law to marry one individual of the opposite sex.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:17 pm | Reply
  170. Troy

    No, we do not want to lower the age of consent. We are homosexuals not Mormons!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:17 pm | Reply
  171. Ethan

    Sambo, that is the most ignorant and idiotic thing that I have ever read. The majority of those who commit sexual assault crimes on minorites happen to be heterosexual males. So wouldn't the heterosexual male lobby want to lower the age of consent. Way to continue the false stereotype that homosexuals are sexual predators. Gotta love ignorant bigots.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:17 pm | Reply
  172. Sam Marks

    Well this whole issue of children being adopted when there are same sex marriages / civil unions now comes up. Perhaps we should require that lesbians be sterialized so that they can not HAVE their own childres. Because a lesbian union means that they BOTH wll be able to have children. Well thats just a thought.

    I guess the country is going down the drain now. I wonder when it started though. Did it start when we gave women the right to vote? Or did it start when we banned slavery? Or did it start when we allowed interracial marriages? Or did it start when we banned segregation? I just don't know, but I have to find ot soon I think.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:17 pm | Reply
  173. David

    For all of those who are quoting Corintians 6 v9. You need to study the bible more, and dont try and re-interrupt the bible to suit your 21st century biases.
    I Corinthians 6:9-10 reads, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
    "Effeminate" is a poor translation of the Greek word "malakos" which means "soft". The word is not translated as "effeminate" anywhere else in the Bible. It is the same word that is translated as "soft" in Matthew 11:8 ("But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses"; similarly Luke 7:25). In a moral sense, "malakos" just means "licentious"; Aristotle in the _Nicomachean Ethics_ (7.4.4) says specifically that "malakos" refers to unrestraint in respect to bodily pleasures. The translation as "effeminate" seems awfully gratuitous.
    "Abuser of himself with mankind" is a translation of the Greek word "arsenokoites"; this word has changed meaning several times over the centuries, so it's perhaps understandable how it got translated as it did; but in Paul's time, and in fact until well into the fourth century, it seems to have simply meant a temple prostitute. (Corroborating this indirectly is the fact that a great deal of contemporary homoerotic Greek writing has survived and not once in any of it does the word "arsenokoites" appear.)

    August 12, 2010 at 8:18 pm | Reply
  174. Vikram

    Is the church so weak that if it allows the 'minority' gay population to marry, it threatens its religion and faith world-wide?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:18 pm | Reply
  175. Christopher

    Noone is forcing any of you to alter your personal, religious ethos. If you believe gay marriage is wrong, that's your right. Still, it's unconstitutional to legislate such a belief. Church does not equal state.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:18 pm | Reply
  176. Musicluver

    Marriage is a legal bond between two people who love each other. Love can't "see," so why should it matter if the two people in love are black, white, Asian, Latina, LGBT, etc? I am not a very religious person, but those who argue that gay marriage is wrong for religious reasons should feel ashamed because no one but GOD should be judging what others do! For those who are against the physical sex acts of gay couples, well it's none of anyone's business what goes on in the bedroom! Gay people are HUMAN! They have the same feelings, emotions, intellect, etc. as the heterosexual population. The ONLY difference between gays and heterosexuals is sexual preference! Let them live their lives and be in happy marriages. Heck, with the divorce rate of heterosexual couples as high as it is, it would not surprise me at all if gay marriages were 10x more successful and lasted!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:18 pm | Reply
  177. M1sfit

    leave the word marriage to the churches... Same Sex union,partnership,etc. just a different word. Marriage is a sacrament in christian religion, and saying that you are gay and married is like building a mosque on ground zero... oh wait that is gonna happen anyways

    August 12, 2010 at 8:18 pm | Reply
  178. Erica

    Why should we tolerate homosexuals but not Mormons?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:18 pm | Reply
  179. SweetAdeline

    There is no reason barring outright discrimination that gays and lesbians should not be able to marry and receive the same benefits as straights under the laws of this country. If the church chooses not to recognize these unions, it's a totally separate issue. This is not about God. This is about equal rights under the laws of the United States of America.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:19 pm | Reply
  180. Nikki

    It is advised not to eat crustaceans because they are the scavengers of the sea and their consumption will damage our health.
    It is advised not to practice consanguineous marriage because it will affect the health of the children or descendants. I can go on with other examples… We all know these principles and we all accept them as they have been proved scientifically. However, these principles have been given to us in the Bible (in Leviticus 11 and 18) thousands years ago. God never intended to stop us enjoying life but to protect us. And to those who say: "it's their own business!" I strongly disagree. This matter concerns the all nation and we are to stand to blow the trumpet! Let's not wait for the scientific explanation…. I leave you with a quote from Ernst Toller "At that moment of realization I knew that I had been blind because I had wished not to see…"

    August 12, 2010 at 8:19 pm | Reply
  181. Jess

    People who believe there is no other way to define marriage other than "a union between a man and a woman" define it that way because it's easy. Definitions are changed everyday. (Example the word awful. This word used to mean full of awe and now it does not.)

    Homosexuality is not a choice, but close-mindedness is. I can't believe the beliefs about people who are gay. Read a study. Talk to a professional. The reason this world is filled with so much hatred is because of close-mindedness and ignorance.

    To the close-minded straight couples who are married...take the "sanctity" of your marriage and shove it each and every time there is a divorce...every time someone gets married for money...every time someone gets married 3 times...every time a man beats his wife or vice versa. "Sanctity" my a**

    August 12, 2010 at 8:19 pm | Reply
  182. Burbugtoad

    As my husband of 30+ years says, "Let them marry; they can be as miserable as the rest of us!"
    Marriage is a committment between two people who love each other. Makes no difference their choice of partners, as long as they are consenting adults.
    Other couples marriages, whether straight or gay, have no bearing on my marriage.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:19 pm | Reply
  183. people are crazy

    Good call, Michael.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:19 pm | Reply
  184. Skunkape

    I think gays should continue to live in shame and hide their problem. It is better for society.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:20 pm | Reply
  185. J.R.

    I also wonder about people who are against gay rights but haven't read THE ENTIRE Bible to see the million-plus things they sin with day in and day out.

    Ok, so you think marriage is sanctified, huh? Well if that's the case, why do you not make a fuss when celebrity after celebrity exploits marriage and treats it like some spectator sport? Or ABC for it's "Bachelor" and "Bachlorette" who, next to American Idol, are the biggest programming jokes on television. You think that's true love?! Give me a break! If marriage is so sacred then BAN IT FROM HOLLYWOOD CELEBRITIES who truly don't respect it!

    Gay couples living in their house mind their own business and have nothing to do with your marriage – period. Your marriage and its success is YOUR responsibility. Last time I checked, the true threat to marriage was divorce. ..... Right?

    Enough of this... end all religions and we will start off with a scientific, fact-based form of faith, OK? *rolls eyes*

    August 12, 2010 at 8:20 pm | Reply
  186. Lisa

    Use the word civil union for EVERYONE – everyone who is married by the state – and give EVERYONE EQUAL rights legally. Then let the churches, religions, etc., decide to marry people in the eyes of God. That's their right too. It's a win-win situation. No longer use the term 'marriage certificate'; instead, 'union certificate'.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:20 pm | Reply
  187. Muslim4lyfe

    I think homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle and pursuers of this deviant lifestyle should be put to death. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said in the Ummah, that all people who engage in homosexuality shall be stoned. This should not be a law in a country which holds morals to a high standard.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:20 pm | Reply
  188. Greg W

    I believe the high courts will overturn this ruling! The people of California have already voted against same sex marriage. Besides, the judge has "interest" in homosexuality. Could he be mad that he and his supporters lost initially? Bottom line- the people have voted, and their vote should be respected or only challenged by another vote. Not by an "unclaimed gay" judge!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:20 pm | Reply
  189. Winnipeg, Canada

    Honestly, just pass the law and be done with it. The notion of marriage is twisted to fit the purpose of whoever is spouting their philosophies. Simply put, marriage should be about being with someone who you love and respect, and if they happen to be of the same sex, so be it! Who are we to judge?

    And to the ignorants who believe that it's homosexuality that is responsible for continuing the spread of HIV and AIDS, open your eyes and see what's going on in third world countries where it's women and children who are infected the most.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:20 pm | Reply
  190. Allison

    @Phil Han – CNN needs to frame this discussion accurately. There was no problem issuing marriage licenses based on sexual orientation.

    The issue is Gender Identity and what gender marries what gender. (ie; male/male, female/female, female/male, transgender/transgender gender queer/male, gender queer female/etc. Gender identity is NOT sexual orientation and the terms seem to be thrown around synonymously with CNN. Everyone has a gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation. The are three distinct parts of each of our identity as a person. There is no sexual orientation question on a marriage license certificate. No one answers that you are straight, bi, gay, lesbian, asexual, etc etc etc. on the license questionaire

    August 12, 2010 at 8:20 pm | Reply
  191. David

    @ Brian

    what a hypocrite. first you accuse Henry from South Africa for using his own standard and then turn around and use yours. I don't believe in your standard. I believe in God, love Him and know that He loves me. I also know he doesn't care who I love. He only cares that I love and am loved in return. The Bible is a wonderful collection of stories, but I certainly do not believe in its infallibility. If you do, then that is your right. I won't dispute it. But I also ask you to keep your nose out of my business. I don't care who you are, who you love, who you marry or anything else about you. You need to apply that same principle. It doesn't affect you in any way. You worry about your life, and I will worry about mine. I will meet God someday, the same as you, and if you are a good person, which I suspect you probably are, then we will be there with Him together. Naturally, you won't agree with that sentiment, but again, that's only your concern. Not mine.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:20 pm | Reply
  192. Christopher

    Marriage isn't a specifically religious term. Your religion doesn't have a copyright on it. Sorry, you're going to have to learn to play nice and share your toys (fail kindergarten?)

    August 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  193. Jose

    For those against equal rights for all, I'd like to see how you would like to have your rights taken away? Oh right, that's how the Civil Rights Movement was born... if we have a constitution that says Equal Right for all, then we should follow it! Marriage included!!!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  194. Daniel Okunuga

    Marriage is a civil right. I'm straight but I believe that gays should have the same rights as the rest of us. Prohibiting gay marriage is no different from pro-slavery laws or Jim Crow laws, or the laws prohibiting alcohol consumption by minorities. It is singling out a single group to discriminate against.

    Many people state that gay marriage violates God's law. We have separation of church and State in this country. We cannot legislate our own version of morality.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  195. Vague

    It's amazing how the same people who scream that the government should not restrict their rights one day can howl that it restrict the rights of others the next.

    To all of you who oppose same sex marriage, I do hope you don't call yourselves Libertarians... Read up on that label...

    August 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  196. max

    Genesis 19:4-5, 11-13, 24 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. [5] They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have SEX WITH THEM.” ... [11] Then [the messengers from God] struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door. [12] The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here — sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, [13] because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that HE has sent us to DESTROY it.” ... [24] Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens.

    Homosexuality incurred God’s destructive judgment upon an entire city.
    It is not revlent if you believe in God or not it does not change the fact he will judge you not me as i have been told not to judge..

    August 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  197. Trisha

    Most of the marriages between man and woman are miserable anywho.. Why not let the homosexuals be miserable too!!! Cheers!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  198. chris09

    moving to Iceland. i cannot believe in the US there are so many ignorant people that would believe it is ok to vote on someone's civil rights. before you know it, we will have black people sitting at the back of the bus again. Grow up people.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  199. Ernie

    Can we stop with the generalizations. To say "all gay people..." or "all religious people..." are ignorant comments. There is variety within the church and within the gay community, because we are all individuals. People keep claiming that entire groups of people are ignorant and stupid. This is the epitome of ignorance and discrimination. May as well say that all Asians look the same, because this is the level of ignorance that we use when we generalize.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  200. max

    Gay people don't really want to get married they just want society to justify their lifestyle so they don't feel guilty.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  201. Randy

    This is an issue that should be left up to the individual states. Each time voters have been given this opportunity, they've overwhelmingly supported the ban of gay marriage. Gays are supported by a slim minority of main stream media, other gays, and left-wing loons.
    It's not natural...it isn't right.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  202. Dan

    The reason that there is so much tension on this issue is because of the two COMPLETELY different perspectives the two sides of this issue come from.

    I am a Christian and if the question were to come up on a ballot I would vote no, because to me it is a moral issue. For someone in support of it, it is a justice issue. The people arguing over this are trying to reconcile two sides that are coming from two completely different perspectives.

    Where Christians are going wrong, is that they are acting as if their marriages will be destroyed if gay marriage is legalized, which is a bunch of idiotic bull crap. If you let someone outside of your marriage define it, you are stupid. I for one, can't imagine how my life would be changed if it is legalized. If you don't like it, share the gospel. That's what you are supposed to do anyway.

    Where supporters of this are going wrong is that they are acting like religion can be changed. The Bible teaches what it teaches, you don't have to agree. In the same way that supporters feel they have the right to support this bill, Christians have the same right to believe in a loving God who is against it.

    It's too bad things have to be this complicated.

    Also, for you Christians, Jesus NEVER condemned the sinners. He showed love to them in perfect ways. He condemned the legalists. And remember that you are still just as much of a sinner as the people you condemn. Just think about that.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  203. Curt

    When the morality of this country sinks to the level of accepting homosexuality as "normal" it will be a sad day. Never has been, never will be normal, no matter how much they want everyone to believe it. If it were normal we would not exist.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  204. Dana

    @ Greg W.

    If a homosexual judge has an "interest" in this case, wouldn't a straight judge have just as much "interest" for the other side? Should they have had an asexual judge rule on it?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  205. Jeffrey

    I think everyone is entitled to their own beliefs – you don't believe in gay marriage? Don't marry anyone gay! Your religion forbids it? Fine! Don't marry anyone gay! But, don't assume everyone subscribes to the same religion, should believe what you believe and it should be law and don't assume that your religious view can veto the constitution.

    Lastly, opponents of gay marriage say "It's God's wish that marriage be only between a man and a woman". My grandmother always told me never to believe anything unless you hear it directly out of the mouth of that person. So, unless the opponents have a recorded message from God himself/herself, I say let the weddings begin!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  206. Daniel Ming

    In reference to skinsearchers comment about there not being any other gay mammals other than human beings. He needs to get out his science books again. Gay animals are and have always been on this planet. Homosexuality is very common in other mammals not just the human race.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  207. Eric in Manhattan

    What I don't seem to see here from some the more rabid comments about gays, being gay is NOT a choice. For anyone to suggest that choosing a sexual preference is akin to deciding what color shirt to wear today is as ignorant as they can possibly be. This alone makes gay marriage a civil rights issue. To claim that God only accepts a man and a woman in marriage shows even more hubris. Same sex marriage does not impinge in any way on straight marriages, and it's about time these folks start minding their own business.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  208. Thomas

    Goodnight everyone, this has been a great experience for me to see and read so many different insights. I am glad for this blog debate as i find it mainly educational.

    I thoroughly enjoy the replies, once again, i wish not to offend anyone, as i have mentioned about that i come from a Christian background. I am just sharing my thoughts on it and not imposing it on others.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  209. Joe

    Marriage is NOT a christian institution, to think so is stupid, no explanation needed as every religion even athiests have wedding ceremonies

    August 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  210. ann

    We need to have a debate on civil rights for blacks–if you dare to have a debate like this which is repugnant to gays then let's do the black thing all over again. The rights of gays are not up for debate–they are non-negotiable. Appalling.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  211. SweetAdeline

    Marriage can not be ascribed to the church solely -Jews and Muslims marry as well.

    As for the mosque at ground zero, let's all remember that it is going to be several blocks away in a space previously occupied by Burlington Coat Factory. Hallowed ground for sure.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  212. john

    Be assured.

    1. There are no natural law rights to marriage of any sort
    2. Gay people should be allowed civil unions with the same rights as married couples
    3. Marriage has always, throughout history been defined as between one man and one woman. This should not be changed. If it is to be allowed to change the definition to include gay couples, then no good legal reason can be made not to legalize polygamy.
    4. Stop bringing up separation of Church and State. The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment refers to the first of several pronouncements in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, stating that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Together with the Free Exercise Clause ("... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"), these two clauses make up what are commonly said as the "religion clauses" of the First Amendment. The intent was that the government would not make a religion mandatory, as the British Government did under King Henry with the Anglican church.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  213. Jane

    THE Bible is full of non-sense who wrote it anyways???

    GAYS ARE THE BEST! 🙂

    August 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  214. JD

    From the gay couples I know – they seem more commited to each other than alot of married couples. This is largely because of what gays have to overcome to be together in this society.

    ALL FOR GAY MARRIAGE!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  215. Erica

    Exactly M1sfit. If the government wants to make a separate law for "same sex union" then whatever. I think even most churches would not protest that. It is the fact that if it becomes legal for gays to "marry" that has people worried. To force the church to sacrifice their convictions on marriage is wrong since marriage originally belonged to the church.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  216. Ethan

    I am a gay man and find it ridiculous that people think we have an "agenda" that we are seeking. We all live in a country where state and religion are supposed to be separate so how is the main crutch of the debate by most people that God thinks it is wrong?

    You don't need to agree with homosexuals getting married but in the US it is unconstitutional to deny equal rights to all people of the country. All we want is to be able to get married like heterosexuals, it is our right as Americans.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:23 pm | Reply
  217. Stan.Ferrari

    Yes, I think it should be legalized, but please wait until I finish becoming a divorce attorney, so I can become rich!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:23 pm | Reply
  218. Ryan T

    At its heart, secular marriage issued by a government has nothing to do with religion or procreation. It's simply a contract. And how strange is it that a legal contract for two people is mandated, based on tradition, to be only between opposite sexed people. There is no other contract like it, and this sort of rule would never fly in contracts that have to do with home rental or anything else. Why limit it? What is the reason? And does that reason pass a litmus test against the 14th amendment? No. Same-sex marriage isn't just a right...it's absolutely logical.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:23 pm | Reply
  219. chris09

    and the people that play the "religion" card – please shut up!! Not everyone believes in the same "god". some people believe in no god, what does that have to do with someones basic civil right?? again – IGNORANCE!!!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:23 pm | Reply
  220. people are crazy

    Greg,

    If the voting population were allowed to choose whether blacks and women could vote, the majority would have said no. And they would have been wrong. Just because 52% thought a certain way does not make it right. I am hopeful the appeals judge and all supreme court judges are straight Christians... and still realize the 52% was wrong.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:24 pm | Reply
  221. /\/\/\/

    joe kilker is a hateful idiot.

    if you're alive in America you have the right to be free without being judged. even if there really is a God, isn't the "christian" way of living such that only God shall judge. get over yourself if you think you have the right to judge anybody else.

    my experience is most die hard haters, a.k.a. so called straightline christians, are hypocrites anyway.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:24 pm | Reply
  222. lucy

    Why on earth would anyone object to gay people getting married? What's different about this than imposing Sharia? Your church may not like it, but then I probably don't like your church, which doesn't teach anything like the Christianity I understand. Love thy neighbors – not just the ones you happen to approve of. And what does this have to do with immigrants getting married – how does it get to be either/or? People need to get a life that doesn't involved judging others – judge not that ye be not judged...

    August 12, 2010 at 8:24 pm | Reply
  223. one of the 18000

    I am one of the 18,000 people who were married during the brief time there was marriage equality in California (2 years ago).

    While I am happy that Prop 8 was over-turned and am confident that it will not be reinstated, America as whole lags behind Switzerland, England, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Holland, Spain, Portugal, Iceland, Israel, Germany, South Africa, Argentina and Belgium which all have marriage equality.

    My spouse is a Swiss native. We lived in San Francisco for over 18 years until we moved to Switzerland in January. Although our marriage isn't recognized by he US government, the Swiss government does recognize our marriage and I was able to immigrate to Switzerland just as any other married couple.

    I was immediately allowed to work here and haven't had ANY problems regarding immigration.

    I served 4 years in the US Navy...I love my country; however, I am embarrassed by my government's legally sanction discrimination of gay people. There is no legal or logical argument to ban same-sex marriage...it's all based upon hyperbolic religious dogma and partisan politics. It's shameful.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:24 pm | Reply
  224. SeeWest

    I just wanted to briefly interject that I live in CT, a state that legalized gay marriage. Guess what the negative effects were of Gay marriage on the non gay population? NOTHING.

    Tuxedo and dress shops got more business and people with gay friends and relatives got to watch them have the happiest day of their lives finally.

    So despite people's view, being in a state where its legal, i can vouch that the "ITS GONN A RUIN OUR WAY OF LIFE!" argument is pretty ridiculous. Nothings changed for me, a heterosexual male in a happy relationship from before same sex marriage was instituted here. The way i see it is that this is more an argument of individuals morals rather than what is truly progressing equality.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:24 pm | Reply
  225. Bela Hu

    Good point there, Michael!

    'Glynn Wolfe, a former Baptist minister (!), managed the feat [divorce] a heartbreaking 28 times throughout his life' (apart from the exclamation mark, this is a quote from another website).

    August 12, 2010 at 8:24 pm | Reply
  226. MikelB2010

    Are gay married couples going to be taxed the same way other married couple are? I can see big government wringing it's hands... more taxes!!! Hahaha!!

    From a moral standpoint, I do not believe in gay marriage based on my religious beliefs. Don't argue with me, take it up with my God. You won't win, that's a guarantee. This country has trended to a more immoral way of living for whatever reason. I have my suspicions. CNN has taken it upon themselves to lead the parade.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:24 pm | Reply
  227. Arlah A

    Also, for those who argue that marriage is a Christian institution, I'd like one of you to genuinely answer me. I am an agnostic. Should I have my rights taken away and not be allowed to marry?

    What about my older brother, an atheist, and his wife, a Wiccan? Should they be annulled even though they've been happily together for three years?

    What about my little sister, who has Turner Syndrome and therefore is infertile due to having a single X chromosome? Because she can't procreate, should she be forbidden to marry? Because, you know, the orphanages both domestic and foreign aren't full enough yet.

    I demand and answer from someone who believes marriage is a Christian institution for the sole purpose of procreation. Why won't you answer me? Is it because you don't have a valid answer...?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:24 pm | Reply
  228. jason

    End Gay marrigage period. Human life was not designed to include Gay marriage.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm | Reply
  229. Mykel

    If you don't like gay people then blame straight people...they are the ones who make them...

    August 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm | Reply
  230. Deb W.

    People who are trying to impose "God's law" against gay rights, are fundamentally flawed in their thinking, since THERE IS NO STATE RELIGION. Almost every denomination has already grappled with gay issues and their decisions should affect only their own consenting members. I am a church woman but I cherish separation of church and state. Marriage rights also open the way for everyone to fulfill society's responsibilities, like those pertaining to property, inheritance, rearing of children, insurance coverage, etc. I predict that marriage rights will lighten the courts' load of contested personal issues. Isn't that what conservatives want – getting the govt out of our business? I am not a conservative, but we all should all realize that restrictions of such personal rights is more control, not more freedom!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm | Reply
  231. Dave

    Hey, Joe Kilker, how are they infringing on heterosexual's right to marry? Infringing means they are making it difficult or preventing it for you...like what religious conservatives have been doing to homosexuals. It doesn't say in the Constitution that we can decide who gets certain rights: everyone gets them.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm | Reply
  232. John D Public

    TO Lojax : If you are insinuating by suggesting that I am subjective touched by this issue as to my being gay , that will not doubt come as quite a surprise to my wife, LOL. No my interest is concerning the decision by the US to promote equal rights and its decision to abolish sexual discrimination . This should be a no brainer in a country which professes laws of anti sexual discrimination. If a man or woman gets a sex change and then can legally marries someone who was previously of the same sex is then considered married. Then the issue of same sex marriage is merely semantics and constitutes sex discrimination. Because it is a bias based on the sexual variance of one or the other partner in a relationship which equates to discrimination based on the sex of a particular individual.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm | Reply
  233. Erica

    So, why not make polygamy legal also? Isn' t that a civil right issue?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm | Reply
  234. Ed

    Everyone has the right to practice any religion they want to including no religion at all if they so choose.
    Therefore religion should never enter the conversation when discussing human rights or laws that govern this or any country.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm | Reply
  235. anna

    In Rome before it became just a history, donkey became a senator, sisters were not safe from brotherly love, people were thrown to the lions. If we will destroy marriage as we know it, how long it will take for legalizing mariages between siblings ? Right now you are thinking: that will never happen – IMPOSSIBLE. Think 20 years back... After all siblings can just adopt ! How dare you discriminate two people who just want to be legally together.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm | Reply
  236. Adam

    Homosexuals have the same rights as everybody else. Can somebody show me where it says that they don't?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:26 pm | Reply
  237. Joe Snider

    I think if they want to be married, then let them. I just think that they should go through the same HELL to get divorsed!! I am going through hell for a mistake I made.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:26 pm | Reply
  238. Sandy

    This is purely a 14th amendment issue. And also the 1st amendment states congress shall make no law respecting religion. We have freedom FROM religion, so anything religious has nothing to do with rights of citizens. I sure wish people would start following the constitution of the united states.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:26 pm | Reply
  239. believer

    Why do we give the government the right to say who gets married? Our government can't seem to make its own mind up in the Congress, yet we as citizens of the US want to give up our rights to them to pass laws that should be weighed otherwise. Not by a governmental institution.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:26 pm | Reply
  240. Marcelo Melo

    I'm totally against gay marriage, now if you choose that way, you're gonna pay for the consequences, it can either be now or in the future but the reality is your gonna pay and when the judgement comes, no judge from this earth is going to help, only the almighty will judge us.. Good luck...

    August 12, 2010 at 8:26 pm | Reply
  241. Matt

    If we are the land of the free, then there is no reason why homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry. If Christians are allowed to worship and evangelize, then whose right is it to stop gay marriage. We are the land of the FREE, and it isn't the right of Christians to dictate when that should be applied and when it shouldn't be.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:26 pm | Reply
  242. ann

    The equal right to marry has already been won by us. The tiny hate-filled minds of the religious nuts have not prevailed. We gays are here because God made us and wants us here. Ever notice that nothing you religious nuts do makes any differenc?. More and more of us are born.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:26 pm | Reply
  243. Mark

    Please homophobes and zealots, please tell me what you are afraid of? As a proud heterosexual man I find no issue with this at all. Gays are not a threat to you, or a threat to society on the whole. If you think they are, you better look at your own sexuality carefully. As the proud father of a lesbian daughter, and being around gay people off and on during my entire adult life, I see no big deal in any of this. If gay marriages are like straight ones, they will last as long as ours do...and will fail 1/2 of the time. I love my wife, but marriage has become a joke in itself anyway. Homosexuality and sodomy are not sins in the "eyes of God", they are deemed that way thanks to overly righteous men back in the middle ages who felt uncomfortable with things going on. The came out with "God said" this and that. I think God cares if you kill some one, or steal from someone. I think God couldn't care less about who a person has sex with and how they do it.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:26 pm | Reply
  244. Sarge

    Again enough with "THE BIBLE". Take religion completely out of this and then have a valid argument! For all the Christians that voice their opinion I understand that it is against your beliefs but just because they are your beliefs doesnt make you right! You can not expect for everyone to go by the "bible" Not everyone is christian in america!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  245. jason

    The people of CA spoke and clearly opposed Gay marriage. Why is some gay supporting judge changing the will of California's residence? We spoke and said no, period.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  246. voter

    I have nothing against gays but why do we vote if the government/court over-turns the constitution – for the people, by the people seems to have been forgotten....

    August 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  247. Disgusted Gay American

    I was married this past Aug 4th at 5pm in Bolton Valley Vermont to my partner of 10yrs.....by a Justice of the Peace (no religion needed nor wanted), witnessed by her 8yr old son, and the Inn's Owner where we stayed....it was a beautiful day....and we spend our $2000 vakay budget there...in a AFFIRMING state..cause THEY deserve it. I doubt very much at 5:15p that day – straight marriages began crumbling apart because we married.....Get over yourselves buy-Bull beaters...don't like Gay marrying, DON'T MARRY A GAY PERSON.....easy enough huh! Anyway...I have the Congratulations of my Large family, my 81yr old dad....and friends. It's no one elses business.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  248. geo

    Society is evolving, deal with it. If you don't like the laws of U.S.A. move somewhere else, like Iran where gay bashing and stoning is allowed.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  249. Jonathan

    When considering matters that effect people's lives we have to look at the EVIDENCE.

    Something can't be so just because we think it is or just because we want it to be. People need to open their minds and hearts instead of being so dogmatic and start looking at what's real, especially when it comes to how we treat and view one another.

    The fact is that same-sex marriage should be legal everywhere.

    I wonder if people who are critical of Judge Walker's decision on Prop 8 in California have actually read his ruling. It sites all the facts of the case and proponents of Prop 8 were shot down at every turn. They had two witnesses, neither experts. They sited, outdated, dis-proven evidence and in some cases sited no evidence at all.

    In his decision, the Judge stated, ""Moral disapproval alone is an improper basis on which to deny rights to gay men and lesbians...Because California has no interest in discriminating against gay men and lesbians, and because Proposition 8 prevents California from fulfilling its constitutional obligation to provide marriages on an equal basis, the court concludes that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional." Decision at p 135."

    Same-sex marriage will soon be legal in the United States. It's shameful that we are behind Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain and Sweden.

    And if you're still against same-sex marriage, because of your religion or because you just don't like it, that's okay. Just don't have one.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  250. NOH8

    Voting against gay marriage is like taking way the right of happiness of your next generation away if they turn out to be gay. It's not a smart thing to do. Let it be... loved

    August 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  251. JD

    From what I see in the gay couples who are friends of mine they are more commited to each other than alot of straight married couples. Largely because they have to overcome so much just to be together in this society.

    ALL FOR GAY MARRIAGE..... besides gays deserve every right to be just as miserable in their marriage as I was in mine! LOL

    Plus, just imagine the opportunity this presents for divorce lawyers!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  252. Freddy Ferrufino

    I love gay marriage

    August 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  253. Andrew

    The amount of hate that exists on this page against homosexuals is sickening and extremely painful.

    I do not understand how I am any less of a person than any other heterosexual. I strive to be the best person I can be every day – including being an upstanding citizen in my society.

    These hateful comments sadden and hurt me but only drive me to push for my equal rights in society more. I hope those that "preach" this hatred, recenter and ask themselves 'what is truly important in their lives.' I guarantee my marriage to another man is not one of them...

    August 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  254. R.J.

    It SHOULD be called marriage, religion SHOULDN'T be part of law and it MUST be nation-wide. A gay couple gets married in Illinois (let's say it's allowed) and then travels to see family in Indiana (where, let's say it isn't allowed) and there's an accident - "gee, I'd love to let you see your husband, but we don't recognize you as his spouse in this state".

    Religion is a crap. It's been used to justify oppression, discrimination, and murder. It needs to stop screwing with people's freedom to live.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  255. Kathy

    After observing for few years the level of discussion in US, be it on gay marriage, health care, taxes or gays serving openly in military, I would strongly advice to the American people to read as much as possible and educate themselves outside their tvs. Also, especially worth advising is traveling to other countries and watching foregin news.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:28 pm | Reply
  256. Colin

    @ Sacredlady 89

    The definition of marriage is...the legal or religious ceremony that formalizes the decision of two people to live as a married couple, including the accompanying social festivities.... Notice the OR...for you it may be a religious ceremony, for others it could just be a legal ceremony or something just saying "Hey world we are in love and we want to be recognized as an official legal couple!"

    August 12, 2010 at 8:28 pm | Reply
  257. Max

    How will it affect anyone negatively you ask?

    Google Washington Referendum 71 and look at the fiscal impact (read millions per year) it will make. The activist liars who got it passed used the same propaganda about love and equality, when, in the end, it was just as much about the financial incentives that a government accords such partnership.

    No I'm not religious; no I'm not Conservative; no I don't care what gays do in their private lives. But, yes: I'm pissed gays appropriated the rainbow and gave it a sexual connotation, and no: I do not support their political machinations nor the sheep who tow their line, and no: I don't want any taxes I am forced to pay being for the benefit of their way of life, and no: I especially don't like the intimidation that this group often uses to further their agenda (e.g. witch-hunt tactics for opponents sigs, etc.). You don't have the moral high-ground because your morality isn't my morality.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:28 pm | Reply
  258. Mandy

    Hi Rick, just wanna make a follow up about the remarks of the person you just interviewed in San Francisco who supports prop.8, ( victor choban , from ukrane), why did he say that America is a free country,ruled by people, if this is a free country, why would people rule on other people (same-sex couples),about marrying the person they love?, it doesn't make any sense, he just said this is a free country, right ?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:28 pm | Reply
  259. welches, oregon

    God made Gays
    Gays are ok

    August 12, 2010 at 8:28 pm | Reply
  260. Justin

    It seems to me, the only solution that would make everyone happy is for the state to get out of the "marriage" business entirely. If you want to get "married" you have to do that in a church. This "marriage" however would not be "legal" beyond the religious aspect. To be legally joined, everyone, both homosexual and heterosexual, would need to complete a civil union. The state sponsored definition would be divorced from the religious aspect. As a homosexual, I would be happy to go without a religious "marriage" if all legislation and rights were tied to the civil unions and marriage was no longer a state sponsored act.

    I don't believe I have heard much of anything about this solution (that lots of European countries have done for a long time–not because of gay rights but because of a separation of religion from matters of state).

    August 12, 2010 at 8:28 pm | Reply
  261. SFriend

    Well although I am not in favor of homosexual marriage because of my beliefs, I think that it is rediculous for the religous to point the finger at homosexuals for destroying the "sanctity of marriage" when plenty of "religous" people break their own religion, do not keep their virginity until marriage, cheating on their spouses, getting multiple divorces, etc. Somehow no one seems to see the double standard... I don't favor gay marriage, but it's hypocritical to point the finger when the intention of marriage is not respected in the U.S. If Americans really wanted to keep marriage sacred, then people restore all the precepts of marriage not pick and choose what is most comfortable to them. The "sanctity of marriage" has already been ruined in America and not at the hands of homosexuals. So as far as I'm concerned they deserve equal rights to screw it up too.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:28 pm | Reply
  262. R.J.

    @ Tim: with the law of God? God doesn't exist Tim. Religion and it's laws are made by people.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  263. Jesus, Mary and Joseph

    MAKE DIVORCE ILLEGAL!! Let's see then who wants to get married gay or straight!!!!!!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  264. SP

    It amazes me how "brave" some people are when the anonymity of the internet is involved. By comparing homosexuals to prostitues, sodomizers, etc, when in person do you make the same claims? Probably not. For those that hide behind religion..... I have no patience for "buffet" religion types. Ones that pick and choose from the bible what they want to follow and believe. It makes you wonder if they would share the same venom face to face when confronted with the same question or issue. I think not.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  265. Hans Hageman

    Prop 8 supporters should consider that Judge Walker's ruling is also protecting heterosexual marriage. No one should be told their marriage isn't legitimate because voters decided they don't approve. Marriage rights cannot be bestowed or removed by majority rules.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  266. David

    The right to free speech, to express ones opinion, is one of the many rights guaranteed to all citizens by the United States Constitution and the Bill Of Rights. To allow ones right to free speech to be put a public vote is prohibited by these most honorable documents and the idea strikes at the very heart of our nation.

    The US Constitution and the Bill Of Rights also guarantee all our citizens Due Process and Equal Protection under law. The Due Process clause is clear that fundamental rights cannot be denied or taken away.

    The Supreme Court of the United States has repeatedly held that marriage is a fundamental right.

    In California, Under Proposition 8, selected American Citizens, due to their sexual orientation, are being denied the "fundamental right" to marry and this prohibition clearly violates the Due Process and Equal Protection clause. Constitutional mandated fundamental rights cannot be put to a public vote.

    The United States Constitution and the California Constitution is all about granting rights, not taking them away. If the courts uphold Proposition 8, it would be the first time in our great nation that discrimination against a selected minority would be enshrined in either document and contrary to the Bill of Rights whose purpose is to insure to all citizens fundamental rights are protected against infringement by those with differing ideas.

    Gay and lesbian citizens are the same as every other American citizen, The have the same desires, the same aspirations and the same needs. They want to be respected equally and they simply want the right to marry the person they love and the one they choose to share their lives with.

    Equality – Simple equality, nothing more and nothing less.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  267. MickeyMackey

    This will go the same route as abolitionism, woman's rights, and civil rights movements of the past. Each one had religious zealots waving Bibles in peoples' faces and declaring how the country would sink into the sea if equality was victorious.

    Well, America hasn't spontaneously combusted yet. I think we're good if we pass marriage equality. 😉

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  268. Bobby

    I think everyone has the right to be happy for that reason I dont see a problem with gay marriage.. as a guy.. more chicks for me.. However...
    I have a problem with gay adoption.... because they gave up the right to have kids when they married a same sex partner!!!!!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  269. fred

    Equal of course, marriage... of course not.
    Make up your own definition. There is NO right for gay as sex, any type of sex is a choice. Sex is not a right, gay or straight.

    Now if you also argue for gay rights, what about polygamy?? Should that be not be treated the same.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  270. Jimbo

    Breeders go on and on about "the sanctity of marraige" PFFFT like they're anyone to talk. They get married pop out a couple kids, the husband is no where to be found, "he's working" pfft, the wife is banging the neighbor or the delivery guy, eventually the two end up hating eachother and will usually divorce or if they are total trolls may end up staying together "for the kids"... AGAIN PFFT!!! Truth is, they are together because they know darn good and well nobody else would want them unless they are rich... Anyhow, they may stay together, but can't stand eachother 8 times out of 10... Yes sir that is so "Christian" while gays aren't allowed this "priviledge"??? I don't see what the problem is here. Hell, it would open up a whole new class of people for divorce attorneys to go after thus spuring the economy some. Go for it!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  271. Tom

    Marriage is Between a man and a woman. It always has been and always will be. Anything else that is done and accepted by this society is wrong and should be condemmend by every citizen of this country. just because we are considered "the home of the free" does not givea person the "right" to violate natural law. You are not constutionally protected to perform and or be in a GAY marriage. Gay marriage destroys this country. As if Our liberty's are not being threatened enough by the actions of the present government leaders. now we have to put up with WHAT MANY PEOPLE CONSIDER TO BE AN IMMORAL ACT>

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  272. Chris

    Marriage is between a man and a woman. If we allow gay marriage what"s next, people allowed to marry animals? Where does it stop?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  273. Skunkape

    If we give this to you, can we have a parks and beaches back at night. Jeez there is some gross stuff going on out there. Maybe you guys should work on figuring out the motel situation before you move onto marriage

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  274. DH

    Marriage is NOT a religious institution, regardless of its genesis. It has been a legal process in this country for years, so the bible and religion should not play any part in this discussion.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  275. Dodo

    Hurrah for gay-marriage! So happy for The amarican gay community!

    X

    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  276. Rick Brannon

    SCOTUS ruled that marriage is a basic personal right in Loving v Virginia (1967). Mildred Jeter, a black woman, and Richard Loving, a white man, had been found guilty of violating Virginia's ban on interracial marriages and ordered to leave the state. SCOTUS found Virginia's law to violate the Equal Protection Clause because it invidiously classified on the basis of race, but it also indicated the law would violate the Due Process Clause as an undue interference with 'the fundamental freedom" of marriage.

    So, a right to marry DOES exist and to deny that right to citizens based on the basis of who they wish to marry is illegal and has been recognized as such.

    Prop 8 supporters are on the wrong side of history.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Reply
  277. dave

    Doesn't the separation of church and state preclude the church from pushing it's narrow interpretation of human behavior and deed on society at large?? Religious belief should hold absolutely no sway in this decision. It is a state matter strictly...otherwise you would have to account for the wide variety of religious belief on this issue and they would not agree. As a state issue then...I would think it impossible to deny gays the right to marry due to the equal protection clause as well as the right to happiness guarantee. Those with strong religious belief should concentrate on making themselves better people and let the rest of us to our own fate!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Reply
  278. jersey1881

    Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

    I do not have hate in my heart. I will pray for all of you heading down the wrong path. Your happiness at this moment will not last. You will have to answer for this on Judgement Day....and it will happen.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Reply
  279. David from Sandy Utah

    Do individuals go to a religious leader to obtain a secular, government-issued marriage license? Of course not. The modern civil union we call ‘marriage’ has NOTHING to do with religion.

    Is there a place on the application for a marriage license where the applicants have to certify that they can and will procreate? Of course not. Society allows infertile couples to marry. ‘Marriage’ has NOTHING to do with procreation or children.

    Religious individuals are welcome to their beliefs—so long as they do not use their religion as an excuse or jurtification to create an unethical and unconstitutional two-class society. Personally, I do not give a flying rodent flatus what people believe so long as they recognize that all law-abiding, tax-paying adult citizens have an absolute, unalienable RIGHT to equal treatment in our secular society.

    David
    Sandy UT

    August 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Reply
  280. Mark

    Let's just ban marriage instead.....for everyone. End of issue

    August 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Reply
  281. people are crazy

    Adam – you are the reason my blog name is what it is. You are nuts.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Reply
  282. onestarman

    ABOLISH MARRIAGE – Don't discriminate because from what I've read in Bog Posts and seen at Political rallies Americans are about 98% Bastards anyway.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Reply
  283. Robert

    JOE KILKER YOU ARE CRAZY MAN.
    GO CALIFORNIA EQUALITY FOR ALL.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Reply
  284. Jane

    @ JASON

    RELAX!!!
    they not hurting you, dont worry they not going to hunt you iin your dreams...

    oh,.... and Grow Up!!! its the 21 century everyone at least once kissed or touched the same sex....

    August 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Reply
  285. Matt

    I'm confused by the disconnect!

    How can conservitives be pushing for smaller government on one hand and on the other encouraging government involvement in someone's love life.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Reply
  286. joe

    Don't you all remember what happened to Rome?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Reply
  287. Paulyboy

    I am for allowing equal rights via civil unions or something. We currently restrict marriage in several ways: no close-blood relations, minimum age, no polygamy etc. Same-sex is, was and should be disallowed on the same basis. Activist judges have no authority legally or morally to reshape the country to fit their very narrow agenda and that's all this is.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Reply
  288. CSnord

    Who is this GOD person people keep referencing?

    Oh, wait! I remember now! It's that petulant, self-absorbed, mythical sky fairy you religious types believe in, right?

    What a bunch of deluded saps. Gay marriage and the gay lifestyle is no threat to you or anyone else. If you think it is immoral to have "relations" (the stupid site filters messages with the correct term) with someone of the same gender, fine, don't do it, but stay out of other people's bedrooms.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Reply
  289. MikelB2010

    Are gay married couples going to be taxed the same way other married couples are? I can see Uncle Sam wringing his hands... more taxes!!! Hahaha!!

    From a moral standpoint, I do not believe in gay marriage based on my religious beliefs. Don't argue with me, take it up with my God. You won't win, that's a guarantee. This country has trended to a more immoral way of living for whatever reason. I have my suspicions. CNN has taken it upon themselves to lead the parade.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Reply
  290. rick law

    I live in NZ where we have gay marriage and have been married now for 4 years with my partner of 18 years, i dont under stand the problem in the USA as in your constuition it clearly says equal rights for all!

    Rick

    August 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Reply
  291. Todd

    Im appalled at the actions of this judge. The job of the judge is interpret the law, not redefine marriage. The institution of marriage is one that precedes the government and the church. The people of California made a clear statement with Prop 8... and this judge blatantly violated their stance with this violation. Clearly Judge Walker has overstepped his boundaries to validate his alternative lifestyle.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Reply
  292. artificial segregation

    This is the EASIEST question to answer. And the best part about it is that the answer creates an artificial segregation that would benefit everyone!!!

    The gov't should have NOTHING to do with marriage. States issue civil unions and churches can issue marriage titles. Keep god out of state issues!!!!!!!!!! now people that hate other people can go to their hate filled churches and say who they will and will not give marriages under gods name to. thats more than fair. gay people that want to be married under god will just hate to find a church that doesnt hate people...probably gonna have to go to a synagogue. Or, if you want, im an ordained minister under the Universal Life Church. I'll marry you and if you want god to be involved then i can do that for you too. no charge. free. cause i dont hate you just because you were born with an attraction to the same sex.

    Let's segregate out the people who hate from those who do not. I would love to live in a world with less Christians. How about you? maybe that should be the next debate. Would the world be a better place if Jesus of Nazareth never had a cult following???

    First response: Hell yes it would.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Reply
  293. lucy

    By the way – have any of the bigotted crowd read the literature that indicates that children of gay couples are every bit as well adjusted (and as often heterosexual, if anyone cares)? But we would hate to let facts get in the way of having you impose your religious narrowmindedness on the rest of us...

    August 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Reply
  294. w

    I'm not against gay marriage, in fact, could care less. I'm against the TAX breaks/credits all legally married get. I want to legalize the union between me and my dog so that i too have have breaks/credits! Let's see this for what the real issue is, MONEY!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Reply
  295. joe

    When will the mormons get their right to practice polygomy?!?!?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Reply
  296. Craig

    I stand against homosexual marriage, but I think homosexuals should be treated fairly. To take away rights from any group of people is crazy. People are people–everyone should be treated fairly and equally no matter who you are behind closed doors. I also think civilization shuns some things, murder for example. Murderers don't get treated fairly. They get put in jail. (This opens a whole different conversation on prisoner rights but I'll stay on topic here!) I think society has shunned a gay lifestyle for a variety of reasons and its surfaced in this marriage debate. I do beleive what the Bible says, that homosexuality is a sin, whether it's choice or nature or a mix, it's still a sin so I do think homosexuality should be avoided. I think many voice that opinion very badly though. Note that while I think homosexuality is a sin as defined by the Bible, I am all for equal and fair treatment of PEOPLE. I also think marriage is for a man and a woman, again based on the example I see in the Bible. Yes, the Bible has many instances of polygamy, and concubines and other stories. Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it was right or good then. The Bible just records the choices people made. Notice that I have been fair and not mean to any group in expressing my opinion. It will be interesting to see what happens with this topic over the next 50 years. I can say, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:32 pm | Reply
  297. Bella

    I agree. The media only publishes those comments that portray 'church' vs. 'homosexuality. I'd like to say that I am NOT relegious and do NOT support homosexuality.

    You do not have to be hurt directy to be hurt anyway. Society suffers from this as a whole. It hurts those who want children born into a world which does not condone such behaviour. It's OUR world and our choice. When the majority doesn't get a voice and only a few elite judges decide, that becomes even more of an issue. The states people had a right to decide. It's not like it was the entire country. Each state has a right to be 'unique' from the others, or not, if they so decide. The federal government should not be involved.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:32 pm | Reply
  298. James

    If people reject gay marriage by majority, governmant cant enforce it on them.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:32 pm | Reply
  299. Jane

    @ Freddy Ferrufino

    ME TOOOOO!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:32 pm | Reply
  300. John

    To everyone against gay marriage:

    I understand your beliefs won't allow gay marriage under your God or beliefs, but is it your belief that gays should not have the same LEGAL rights that a married couple has? Do you believe if a gay person is dying, that their lover of 30 or 40 years should not have the same rights as a straight spouse?

    I don't believe it needs to be called "marriage" if it has too much of a religious connotation. Call it whatever you want just give us the same damn rights!
    !

    August 12, 2010 at 8:32 pm | Reply
  301. ctrealty

    Why are there so many ignorant gay haters here? Everyone deserves the right to live their lives as they wish. Gays don't make a conscious choice to "be gay", just as straights dont make a choice to "be straight" - it is a natural instinct that is inside from birth. There is nothing "un-natural" about it.

    Gays just want to end discrimination in this county and have the legal right to be "recognized" under the law as a married couple. This hurts NO ONE!

    The reason the religious christian right does not want this to happen is that they are afraid of gays being accepted in this country. They want to continue with their hating anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-islam, anti-everythingelse ways! It's got to stop. The USA is a FREE country and ALL discrimination should be stopped!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:32 pm | Reply
  302. Emmanuel

    it was not so in the begining, satan introduce that seed, just to divert the mission of man on earth, God said reproduce, replanish the earth, if you said that you as a man will like to marry a fellow man, then make sure that you will bare children with him , bcos you must not be allow to adopt another couple children,
    GOD IS JUST WATCHING AT THIS PLANET CALLED EARTH, WHEN HE WILL VISIT THIS EARTH AGAIN EVERYBODY SEE IT AND SAID HAD I KNOW!!!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:32 pm | Reply
  303. John M

    The next thing you know they'll make it illegal for a business to deny service because someone is gay... Apparently gay rights supercede private property owner rights. It may not be nice or smart but it shouldn't be illegal. Plus, gays don't need laws to get ahead. they've done just fine without the government over the past 40 years, something numerous other groups couldn't manage to do on their own...

    I'm sick and tired of people calling for rights for groups. We don't derive our rights as groups, we derive them as individuals. Every individual and human and citizen has rights. Groups do not have rights.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Reply
  304. Marcus

    Personally, I feel that same-sex marriage should be legal in all states. It is quite a shame that historically masculine societies are even allowing it. What exactly are conservatives trying to preserve, the 50% divorce rate?

    Judge Walker was correct in his decision. I do not believe that a state should be able to vote on this issue. By allowing a referendum in each state, we are in effect condoning the "tyranny of the majority" whereby the majority's agenda always reigns supreme while the rights of minorities are trampled upon. The government must step in and do what is right even if this means going against the will of the people (which are not fueled by logic but instead motivated by fear of the unknown and religious values which have no place in the government). If government always allowed states to choose which rights to extend to whom, Jim Crow laws discriminating against blacks and jews would still be in place and women would be considered property of their husband.

    Personally, I feel that same-sex marriage should be legal in all states. It is quite a shame that historically masculine societies are even allowing it. What exactly are conservatives trying to preserve, the 50% divorce rate?

    Judge Walker was correct in his decision. I do not believe that a state should be able to vote on this issue. By allowing a referendum in each state, we are in effect condoning the "tyranny of the majority" whereby the majority's agenda always reigns supreme while the rights of minorities are trampled upon. The government must step in and do what is right even if this means going against the will of the people (which are not fueled by logic but instead motivated by fear of the unknown and religious values which have no place in the government). If government always allowed the states to choose which rights to extend to whom, Jim Crow laws discriminating against blacks and jews would still be in place and women would be considered property of their husband.

    Thankfully, the government has the ability to make decisions based on the good of all of its citizens and not just some of them.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Reply
  305. Alex

    Some say that homosexuality is unnatural, despite the fact that it has been observed in beetles, dolphins, and more animals. Love is love and homosexuality is in the genes.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Reply
  306. ethanvan

    If it's a semantic issue of the term "marriage" for the Bible-beaters (bigots), then why not just call it civil union like in Sweden (Sambo). Call it marriage if it's church sanctioned. It's always so funny to see Americans proclaiming they are the land of the free yet other countries have better rights not to mention governments that aren't scaring their citizens (ie global warming, terrorism, Etc.) Glad I don't live there.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Reply
  307. Rebecca

    I don't think it's right to be married in a catholic church. If gay people want to be married they should go to a church that will accept gays. Don't demand that a church has to marry them, it's against the bible and their religion.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Reply
  308. N.J. Hourquebie

    This is a wonderful step forward for Gay rights worldwide. Many countries, especially here in Africa, look to America to lead the way. South Africa, where I'm from, already allows gay marriage and I exercised my right to marry in February last year but the rest of Africa is not so liberal, a case in point, being Uganda. I hope that this means that other US States and countries around the world will follow California's example.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Reply
  309. Peter Olofson

    It's very ironic that the 2 lawyers who represented the gay community and won this case were the same lawyers in the Bush/Gore Florida debacle. And Ted Olsen was a former Bush administration official!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Reply
  310. stevey

    gay marriage should be legalized. Separation of church and state and freedom of religion plain and simple. Everybody is welcome to their own moral views, but please don't force them on others. Gay marriage doesn't hurt anybody.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Reply
  311. Joe Snider

    Hold on there Jesus, Mary, & Joseph. If Divorce were Illegal I would be out protesting that. I just wish it was as easy as getting married in the first place.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:34 pm | Reply
  312. Erica

    Arlah A – It is one thing in our country to go and buy a marriage license, it is another thing to marry in a church. Originally, from the beginning, The concept of marriage was a religious concept. There had to be a legal union before sexual relations were allowed. But you bring up a good point. If people are living like they are married and having sex outside of marriage anyway, why do they bother marrying? It all comes down to these legal rights and financial privileges our country gives married couples. But I believe the government could be considerate enough even if they made laws giving gay people these privileges, not to force the church into marrying them. To this day the church can refuse to marry people who have been divorced and have living spouses....they can refuse when they believe the marriage goes against Biblical principles. Yet, there are people that want to sue if they refuse a gay marriage even though it goes strongly against their convictions.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:34 pm | Reply
  313. ken

    civil union yes....to include it as the definition of marriage...no.
    Same sex marriage is against the law of nature and God.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:34 pm | Reply
  314. JD

    Everyone in the USA is, and should always be, granted with all of the human rights, gaining human recognition and respect therefore. Why then the homosexual people -already free and their rights granted as everyone else- wish to take part on this Christian religious status, which is clearly defined at its terms? America has played a necessary moral roll in the whole world since its foundation, please stop pursuing to catch up with other societies' opinion of what is appropriate. God bless America.

    By a non American outside US

    August 12, 2010 at 8:34 pm | Reply
  315. Jane

    @ Rick

    I'VE BEEN WITH MY WIFE FOR 2 YEARS NOWW.. AND I DONT SEE NOTHING WRONG!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:34 pm | Reply
  316. lojax

    Was Michael actually Dr. James Kaufmann or just quoting him? I'd remind the poster who espouses the thinking at UVA (What are they ranked? not ieven n the top 20!) that at the founder's home, Montecello, there is a portrait on the wall in a sitting room. What portrait did Thomas Jefferson have hung and that meant so much to him? A painting of John the Baptist with his head on a silver platter. That should give you some idea of the objectivity of the man who proposed the idea of seperation of church and state. It's kind of humorus that you worry about getting Canadian slaves. Jefferson got his from Africa. Why make any of us slaves to gay marriage?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:34 pm | Reply
  317. Greg W

    @ Dana:
    I agree a variety panel should have made the decision jointly. That is gay judges, straight judges, etc.

    @ Everyone:
    Point still remains that the voters said no to same sex marriage! Gays should just wait till next vote and try to win then!

    Besides California got better issues judges should be working on such as education, budget, and debt.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:34 pm | Reply
  318. Marcus

    Personally, I feel that same-sex marriage should be legal in all states. It is quite a shame that historically masculine societies are even allowing it. What exactly are conservatives trying to preserve, the 50% divorce rate?

    Judge Walker was correct in his decision. I do not believe that a state should be able to vote on this issue. By allowing a referendum in each state, we are in effect condoning the "tyranny of the majority" whereby the majority's agenda always reigns supreme while the rights of minorities are trampled upon. The government must step in and do what is right even if this means going against the will of the people (which are not fueled by logic but instead motivated by fear of the unknown and religious values which have no place in the government). If government always allowed states to choose which rights to extend to whom, Jim Crow laws discriminating against blacks and jews would still be in place and women would be considered property of their husband.

    Judge Walker was correct in his decision. I do not believe that a state should be able to vote on this issue. By allowing a referendum in each state, we are in effect condoning the "tyranny of the majority" whereby the majority's agenda always reigns supreme while the rights of minorities are trampled upon. The government must step in and do what is right even if this means going against the will of the people (which are not fueled by logic but instead motivated by fear of the unknown and religious values which have no place in the government). If government always allowed the states to choose which rights to extend to whom, Jim Crow laws discriminating against blacks and jews would still be in place and women would be considered property of their husband.

    Thankfully, the government has the ability to make decisions based on the good of all of its citizens and not just some of them.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:34 pm | Reply
  319. geo

    Everyone who keeps bringing up polygamy, what's wrong with polygamy? As long as all parties are consenting adults, why not be allowed to marry? You guys are just afraid of things that are different.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  320. Retribution

    Still debating on gay marriage? What medieval 3rd world country were talking abou heret?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  321. nature1

    No matter what country we live in and whether religious or not, we are all part of nature. The laws of nature only allow a man and a woman to be together. It goes against nature to have members of the same sex together. The court’s laws (a piece of signed paper) are only so good. They pale in comparison to nature's laws. A law that we find in nature is (Newton's Third Law) that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Whether or not gays are allowed to marry, if enough people get together unnaturally and attempt to break Mother nature's laws, her reaction will be equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. It may not happen right away but it will happen and there will be no escaping.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  322. MickeyMackey

    @James: Civil rights for a minority should NOT be left to the mercy of the majority. If they were, the South would still probably permit slavery, and some areas would force women out of leadership roles and voting booths.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  323. Alex

    The founding fathers of the United States of America made clear the separation between church and state. People have no right to impose a religious definition of marriage on the general population.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  324. Marcus

    Personally, I feel that same-sex marriage should be legal in all states. It is quite a shame that historically masculine societies are even allowing it. What exactly are conservatives trying to preserve, the 50% divorce rate?

    Judge Walker was correct in his decision. I do not believe that a state should be able to vote on this issue. By allowing a referendum in each state, we are in effect condoning the "tyranny of the majority" whereby the majority's agenda always reigns supreme while the rights of minorities are trampled upon. The government must step in and do what is right even if this means going against the will of the people (which are not fueled by logic but instead motivated by fear of the unknown and religious values which have no place in the government). If government always allowed states to choose which rights to extend to whom, Jim Crow laws discriminating against blacks and jews would still be in place and women would be considered property of their husband.

    Thankfully, the government has the ability to make decisions based on the good of all of its citizens and not just some of them.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  325. SP

    As a follow up question.... for those that want to "protect the sanctity" of marriage by not allowing homosexuals to marry. What do you think of the Britney Spears's and other celebrities of the world that think its ok to have a marriage annuled after a few days because they were bored and got married. Does the bible not say divorce is evil? What do you say to those couples who are now an "abomination" because they are divorcing? Give me a break already with your religious rants.... who says that your religion should trump the beliefs of everyone else?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  326. Allison

    While everyone is screaming about Bible this and God that, you may want to get a few definitions straightened out. This is about GENDER IDENTITY, not about SEXUAL ORIENTATION – BEING GAY – BEING STRAIGHT. The ruling allows marriage between GENDERS without regard to sexual orientation.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  327. Tom

    Of course gay marriage should not be legal.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:36 pm | Reply
  328. Billster

    Wake up everyone-this is all semantics. More than half the Country believes it is immoral due to Religious reasons, the others are for it based on freedom of choice. It comes down to the WORD "Marriage."
    I am a Christian, and I believe that Gay couples have the right to be happy, be in love, raise a family, make business, the same as everyone else! The problem is that Civil Unions don't allow for shared insurance, right of survivorship, joint loans, adoptions etc. CHANGE THE CIVIL UNION LAWS! Marriage is between a man and a woman. Gay couples should get a Civil Union, or life partnership, but should also have the same rights as married couples...everyone would be happy with that.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:36 pm | Reply
  329. ethanvan

    I still can't believe people still believe in the devil. Just saying....

    August 12, 2010 at 8:36 pm | Reply
  330. Turp Griswald

    Eating shrimp or crab is just as much an abomination as being gay (Leviticus 10-12). Selling your daughter into slavery is permitted (same book). If you're going to overlook or modernize certain Biblical teachings, why not others? Who chooses? Who has the right to choose how we live our personal lives? Me thinks that many who live in glass houses are casting stones.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:36 pm | Reply
  331. Donna

    Are we that naive that we are getting caught up in the drama and not see what is really going on. WAKE UP EVERYONE. The real issue is the power of the people and the last I saw homesexuals remain people. The people of CA decided against same-sex marriage. Now a judge, not an elected official, not a representative of the voice of the people has way laid the voice of the people.

    If this over handed ruling is permitted then where does it STOP. A judge MUST not speak.

    LASTLY, this ruling does not prevent homosexuals from having relationships – LETS BE REAL. They still have civil rights, and domestic partner rights. Marriage is a biblical and moral institution – then why do homosexuals need this 'BLESSING".

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  332. Allen

    Liberals... People have been fighting this for so long. Yes we are free, free to believe, free to speak. But religion, and what this country was first founded off of must not be lost. There were gays before, but the laws on gay marriages never changed, & they shouldnt be.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  333. macguysea

    There is a clear separation of church and state. This must be respected. We all are ensured equal protection of our rights under the constitution.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  334. Hieu

    Why does everyone suddenly acts as they give a shit about marriage in this country? The divorce race is 50%, as high as a change to get a yes/no question right. Blah.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  335. jason

    The will of California has spoken.......we do not approve of Gay marriage. Go to another state that allows that to take place.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  336. Ryan

    FYI: Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." was added by a Catholic Pope. The Bible has been one of the most edited piece literary works in history.

    I don't remember homosexuality was mentioned as part of the 10 Commandments....

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  337. MikelB2010

    @ Andrew: the people you claim are spewing hatred on these forums don't hate you, they hate two men making out or two women making out. It's disgusting to the eye. It's disgusting period. From an individual standpoint, I've got friends who are gay and there fine reasonable people. It's when they start making out, especially in public.

    Man that's bad on the eyes.

    From a religious standpoint, gays have no right in determining what I or anyone should believe. Plain and simple. Now, taking my two comments into consideration; disgusting to the eye, and, my religious beliefs shall not be trampled on, you get my point.

    Other than that I'm sure you a great American like anyone else.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  338. Brenton Stanley

    Judge Walker's opinion was incredibly well-reasoned – the law was thoroughly analyzed. I'm a law student, and I've never seen a trial judge write anything this carefully.

    The gist of Walker's ruling is this: the opponents of gay marriage have no compelling or legitimate reason to deny same-sex couples the right to marry. Any religious-based reasoning that a gay marriage opponent may have for supporting Prop 8 is simply not good enough.

    The fact that Proposition 8 was passed by a majority vote is irrelevant. When the people pass a law that conflicts with the U.S. Constitution, a judge has every right (a duty, even) to do what Judge Walker did. Proposition 8 is a clear violation of the 14th Amendment. It's about time that a federal court has upheld the Constitution on this issue, and I look forward to Judge Walker being affirmed by the Supreme Court.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  339. onestarman

    @James – "people reject gay marriage by majority, governmant cant enforce it on them"

    Just because they still fly the Confederate Flag in some Red Neck States does not mean that the FEDS can't free the slaves.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  340. Shendai

    No matter how you spin it, gay behavior is abnormal and harmful to society as a whole. The sooner we realize this and let common sense prevail the better. Gays may not be intrinsically evil, but they are lost and psychologically unsound individuals. It's time we shake off the nonsense rhetoric & sophistry of the extreme left and lay down the truth of how things really are. Marriage is between one man and one woman. End of story.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  341. Christ

    Same Sex marriage is so totally out of order. Why should men and women want to live in pervasion preferring entering through exit doors. A total and plain depiction of negative forces that exist all around us. Whether they agree to this preposition or not, that what it is!!!!
    And they are enslaved by those forces...

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  342. Luis

    What bothers me is people treating it as it is a "normal" thing. It is not normal, it's a deviation from the natural relation of species.

    If any species were 100% homossexual they would extinct, plain and simple. For someone to feel attracted only for the same sex, and not follow the instincts and desires to procreate means there is some problem with their brain wirings.

    Even our body hormones are all based on the attraction of the opposite sex.

    My point it, give them rights, but never act as it is normal.

    Also one question out of curiosity: Where do our limits go? Those that support gay marriage, would you support sibling marriage or poligamy?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  343. JC

    To everyone saying "sure, they can marry – but not adopt kids" – if you hetero's would take care of your children, then us gays wouldn't have any children to adopt! Secondly, this is about marriage – gay adoption has been legal in most states for MANY MANY years now.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  344. Michael Fenton

    We live in a pluralistic society, where the rights of the minority are protected. Well are they?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:38 pm | Reply
  345. Dana

    Rebecca-

    I don't think that anyone is requiring catholic churches to marry anyone. Gay people wishing to marry would have other options of places and religious officiants to marry them.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:38 pm | Reply
  346. David

    If the opponets of same-sex marriage convince the Circuit Court to put a hold on marriage, The State of California should go ahead and issue "temporary" marriage licenses(only as a means of tracking those denied) to those same-sex couples who want to get married immediately. The actual marriage should be placed on "hold" pending the ruling of the circuit court. If that court rules that same-sex marriage is indeed a constitutional right guaranteed under the California Constitution, then the die-hards should be court ordered to pay each couple holding a temporary license $100.00 per day, per couple from the day the application was filed up to the day they are allowed to enjoy their constitutional rights. If the circuit court rules same-sex marriage legal and takes it to the US Supreme Court, then the amount should go to $1,000,00 per day per couple. If the Supreme Court rules it a constitutional guarantee and I, personally believe they will finally have to acknowledge that the denial of a basic human right is outright discrimination. Money talks and perhaps with the amount of money involved the anti-same-sex marriage big mouths will finally shut their pie hole.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:38 pm | Reply
  347. Edgar Friendly

    The problem here is the quasi-religious nature of marriage. We're enforcing what marriage "is" based on what the major religions have traditionally called it, but then the government is recognizing it. I don't think the government should be in the business of validating religious dogma.

    On the other hand, there are obvious practical reasons to recognize marriage at the government level: inheritance, visitation, taxes, etc.

    So IMO we should take the government out of the marriage business and have the churches marry people and the governments recognize the marriages as civil unions. It's worth noting that pretty much nothing about our current system has to change, just our terminology.

    Problem solved.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:38 pm | Reply
  348. Marlon

    The US who proclaims to be "the land of the free" clearly does not support equality for all citizens. Same sex marriages are taking place across the world even in Africa, South Africa in particular.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:38 pm | Reply
  349. Cannuck

    Gay marriage is legal threw out Canada and when the law passed (years ago) there was not much of a whimper from us about it. There was no hell unleash upon us and if anything we are a much greater and happier society because of our human rights laws. Fortunately, people here (in Canada) have more important things to worry about then what people want to do with their private lives. If it’s not hurting anybody then what’s the problem? And to all those that say gays are pedophiles and rapist, get educated you ignorant bas*%$#@ ! The majority of those types of people are heterosexual, so how do you explain that? Step into the 21st century America, you use to be there.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:38 pm | Reply
  350. one of the 18000

    The U S Constitution is the document by which the USA's laws are held up against. NOT the Bible; NOT the Koran; nor any other document. And in that document it clearly states:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".

    August 12, 2010 at 8:38 pm | Reply
  351. Eric

    Tim posted this on August 12th, 2010 6:25 pm ET

    "With the law of God there is no debate! Read I Corinthians 6:10. The law of man does NOT supercede God's law."

    Hey Tim, are you an Islamic extremist or an American christian? Getting hard to tell the difference these days...

    August 12, 2010 at 8:38 pm | Reply
  352. Corey

    Regardless of any religious and/or moral argument, gay people probably understand the value of marriage more clearly and seriously than straight people at this point, because gay people have had to fight for that basic right. Straight people have not, and most of them treat the idea of marriage as something frivolous (though they'd never admit it), without any real idea how many handouts society gives them with no questions asked. Therefore, gay marriage should be legal, for the sake of elevating society as a whole.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:39 pm | Reply
  353. Jack Daws

    I think the greatest threat to the institution of marriage is the lack of respect for the institution that heterosexuals present. Consider a divorce rate of 50%, nearly universal cohabitation before marriage and soaring out-of-wedlock births. Divorced? Just hire a planner and do it all over again. Swear to God and witnesses never to part from each other and then run out and hire a lawyer. Then do it again.

    Physician, heal thyself.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:40 pm | Reply
  354. Bill

    Gay marriage now what's next? People are gonna start marring their pets? What America has come to. what a shame!!!!!1

    August 12, 2010 at 8:40 pm | Reply
  355. musahmed

    pls pls california dont allow this sick animals in ur environment.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:40 pm | Reply
  356. Dave

    "Who are we to judge?" Let me tell all of you. I AM THE ONE TO JUDGE. I can judge what is best for society and vote according to MY judgements as much as I want to. Even if it places restrictions on others as long as we are all treated equally under that judgement. That is the constitution. But the bigoted and intolerant gays can't handle that because of their hatred of anyone who disagrees with them. So they make up words to the constitution that have never exsisted and rule through tyranny. Walker is a biased bigot and gay activists are facists.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:40 pm | Reply
  357. JC

    To the "oh no- what next" crowd who talks about Polygamy and incest – we are not discussing that – we are only talking about Same-Sex Marriage.... 2, unrelated, consenting adults. If other groups want to fight for their beliefs, let them, but they have nothing to do with gay rights.

    Oh – and seriously people, you're bible-related arguments are getting old, BUT – BUT – if you would simply do a spell check, it will at least look better! Education is a wonderful thing! =D

    August 12, 2010 at 8:41 pm | Reply
  358. MikelB2010

    @ Andrew: the people you claim are spewing hatred on these forums don't hate you, they hate two men making out or two women making out. It's disgusting to the eye. It's disgusting period. From an individual standpoint, I've got friends who are gay and there fine reasonable people. It's when they start making out, especially in public.

    Man that's bad on the eyes.

    From a religious standpoint, gays have no right in determining what I or anyone should believe. Plain and simple. Now, taking my two comments into consideration; disgusting to the eye, and, my religious beliefs shall not be trampled on, you get my point.

    Other than that I'm sure you a great American.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:41 pm | Reply
  359. Jess

    Wow, I must say, I've never had my feelings hurt so much by people who don't even know me.

    I'd go through a list of proven scienctific and societal evidence that all of the arguments listed above are invalid, but I feel like it would fall on deaf ears. Unfortunately, there's no reasoning with the unreasonable.

    Prop 8, and "gay" marriage, is not about forcing any religion to accept it. It isn't about ruining a heterosexual couples marriage. It's not about bringing down society, and it's certainly not about corrupting anyone. It's simply about equal protection under the law. Believe it or not, there is no homosexual agenda. Would you say there's a heterosexual one? OK then. These are buzz words to scare the populace. Has Massachusetts imploded? Just checking.

    And it also shocks me that so many Americans can't differentiate between Church and State. This idea is integral to the FOUNDING of our society and our country. I'll break it down for the slower-to-comprehend people in the audience: religious doctrine = Church, law and equality = State.

    You can rail against it all you want, and you know what? That's your RIGHT, buddy. And being treated equally is mine. Deal.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:41 pm | Reply
  360. JC

    @ Tim – "Hey Tim, are you an Islamic extremist or an American christian? Getting hard to tell the difference these days..."

    Couldn't have said it better myself!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Reply
  361. Dana

    @ Bill,

    Why is it that the next logical leap in your mind is from an adult marrying another adult to an animal?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Reply
  362. David

    Interesting that the top court in Costa Rica stopped a referendum this past week that would allow voters in that country to vote whether to allow same-sex marriage saying such a referendum would allow minorities right to be put to a public vote while saying this was a legislative issue, not an electoral one.

    Can We Say CALIFORNIA? - The California State Legislature TWICE passed a law ALLOWING same-sex marriage however bigots in that state got to vote.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Reply
  363. Jay

    How about we have two, different only in name, "Straight Marriages" and "Gay Civil Unions" And we give them idenetical rights all the way up to the federal level. Will that make everyone happy???

    August 12, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Reply
  364. TO .Joe Kilker

    How in the world does marrying someone you LOVE infringe on the rights of normal people? Give me a break and get a life.. Get your head out of the bible and out of your a** and live in the REAL World.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Reply
  365. onestarman

    # David "The die-hards should be court ordered to pay each couple holding a temporary license $100.00 per day..."

    There's not a real good record on Reparations in this country – ask any descendant of Slaves.

    I like your intent however

    August 12, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Reply
  366. Jack Quann - Dublin, Ireland

    "All men are created equal" says the US Declaration of Independence – and this ruling moves that view one step forward. Realistically, if people are worried about 'the institution of marriage' they needn't bother: that institution is long dead. If THAT is the reason people are against gay marriage, then that is an attack on single mothers, unmarried fathers, co-habiting couples, etc. Highly religious countries like Spain have gay marriage and the apocalypse didn't come; all gay marriage changes is a definition. Equality for all.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Reply
  367. Dandan

    NO GAY MARRIAGES!!!
    Its simple, they can be together, live together, get the EXACT same rights as any other person does in this country, but marriage is thousands of years old, it is a religious concept based on Judeo Cristian teachings, and those teachings do not include Gay marriages.
    If the Gay community really wants to get marriage type rights, why not invent a name for it and have the same rights as normal marriages?
    What the gay community wants in my view is the equal of muslims complaining that they cannot use Christmas as a holiday.
    Obviously CNN wont post this, it goes against their pro gay marriaga agenda, thought Id try anyways!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Reply
  368. Charles

    Perhaps "marriage" should be left to churches, and civil unions should be left to the state. The argument that marriage should be defined as between a man and a woman seems to be religiously grounded. I would ask, why do we have our government involved in a religious sacrament. Other religious sacraments are not recognized by the state (e.g. baptism). If there is no government recognized "marriage" and only civil unions for all then the argument truly becomes about equal rights, which I believe we all should have. Then churches can be free to "marry" anyone they like or exclude anyone they like, as they already do. For example, if I'm Jewish, I can't be the godfather of a catholic child. So I propose that we leave marriage to the churches and have a separate government backed civil union for all, with all of the legal rights afforded to those who marry. Thus, everyone wins. If you believe marriage is recognized by god, it should not matter if it is legally recognized by the state or not. Those who want the recognition of "marriage" and legal rights afforded to married couples will also win since both same-sex and opposite-sex couples will receive the same recognition and rights under the law.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Reply
  369. Cesar

    YAY!! CONGRATS TO ALL!

    And for the person who said "There is no such thing as marriage between homosexuals, it doesn't exist" ... BREAKING NEWS: It does now. 🙂

    Welcome to the promised land; Freedom and Equality. Where love is love.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:43 pm | Reply
  370. Christopher

    My favorite take on the issue: "If you don't like Gay Marriage, then don't get one!"

    August 12, 2010 at 8:43 pm | Reply
  371. jason

    Gay supporters are so worried about "offending" someone or hurting someone's feelings. They want to allow "whatever makes you happy" to take place in our society. They destroy society. This country was founded on Christian principles and marriage is dinstinctly between a man and woman. Period.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:43 pm | Reply
  372. Romeo fonseca

    We have so much going on in this world troops putting there lives on the line everyday.. What we need to focus on is finding ways to bring them back safe, but all were doing is waisting time on gays and lesbians.. Who cares what they do!!! Yes we all know it's wrong!! And is a sin.. But let the first one without sin cast the first stone.. All of us are guilty of sin being gay and lying is the same level of sin. Let's focus on on things that really matter.. I don't agree with same sex marriage but I really don't care about gays it's so frustrating watching this on the news I wanna see how our troops are doing over seas and when are they coming home, not watching if gays can get married this subject is a big waist of time!!!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:43 pm | Reply
  373. C-Ditty

    I'm all for gays getting hitched – just call it something else. I preffer to call it "Gayrage" or getting "Gayried". This is no different from distinguishing between a hetero and homo relationship. I don't want to have to explain whether I'm married to a man or woman every time I tell someone that I am married.

    Give them the same rights but call it something else – no problem.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Reply
  374. Vanessa Ludwig

    The fight around the right to marriage is not about the 'sanctity' of marriage, but about the rights of citizenship. Denying anyone the right to marry whomever they wish to is in effect to deny them equal citizenship. If lesbians and gay men are denied the right to marry, then states should stop pretending that there is equality of citizenship. Let the politicians and all those who oppose same-sex marriage openly admit to the fact that they are in fact in favour of differentiated citizenship, and a hierarchical one that privileges heterosexuality in the same way that men have been and still are privileged.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Reply
  375. Chris Eddison

    From where, what or who do hetrosexuals get their sense of absolute moral and legal authority?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Reply
  376. Mike

    Fun conversation! Thanks CNN for promoting it.

    I live with a partner (for 16 years) and unless gay marriage is legalized, he won't even be able to get in to see me on my death bed. This is just plain wrong. There are so many "rights" tied to "marriage" that civil unions just don;t work. We need to work to get rid of DOMA and extend right st marriage nationally.

    And to those who say that this is new. – it's not. Men and woman have lived lovingly together for hundreds and thousands of years. It used to be that it had to be hidden and this benefited no one. The men and women who chose to marry the opposite sex even though they were gay, probably had (and have) an unhappy existence which is reflected on all of their children and others close.

    The US needs to step up and be the country it is supposed to be. Marriage is a civil right and needs to be seen as one.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Reply
  377. Brooks

    Two words, hormone therapy, it is as simple as that. Instead of hating them we should be trying to help them.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Reply
  378. Allen

    Beliefs are one thing. But making SAME SEX marriage LEGAL? Give ME a break?! How much farther is this going to go? I guess legalizing meth is next...

    August 12, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Reply
  379. Shaun

    With the recent California court decision throwing out Proposition 8 that a ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional, the anti-gay marriage pundits are up in arms with the old senseless argument that gay marriage is a threat to traditional heterosexual marriage.

    It appears the most vociferous members of Congress who oppose marriage for the LGBT community usually are the ones found out to be having affairs, visiting prostitutes, or in the gay closet. The same can be said for a large number of the very vocal members of the religious community.

    As we all know marriages are generally broken up by affairs with members of the opposite sex, not by gays. So who is a bigger threat to marriage, a gay person or a member of the opposite sex?

    The obvious and most practical solution would be to call for a ban on divorce, because that's the biggest threat to marriage, not people of the same sex who are in love and want to live their lives together.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Reply
  380. andrew

    Joe Kilker, you are just closed minded and a homophobe.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm | Reply
  381. Ezra

    God bless America: land of the free, assuming you fit the caucasian, Protestant heterosexual expection.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm | Reply
  382. Koen Kosman

    I find it very unchristian to discriminate people...

    God gave us the freedom to do with our lifes what we think seems fit. This involves getting married. God does not care if you marry someone from the same sex, as long as you do not violate the rules.

    Gay Marriage should be allowed, and it will be, whether people like it or not, the influence of the Church has dropped enormously.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm | Reply
  383. Paul

    It's time.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm | Reply
  384. Lexi

    No matter how much you legalize it, it is a sin. An abomination. I will be the straight line in a world that is blurred no matter what the cost.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm | Reply
  385. Randy

    We are all created equal. It's the foundation of our country. Let's start living it for a change.

    Yes, if two consenting adults are in love and want to be with each other then let them get married. Who really cares? If God made them and knew them before they were born, who are we to discriminate.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm | Reply
  386. lojax

    Several posters suggest that Gay people cannot help themselves and are gay in their nature. I'm not sure the Bible would disagree with you on that point. The book of Romans chapter 1 suggests that God gives gays over to their own behavior. That would suggest the nature of ongoing homosexual activity affects the dispostion of the participant to such a degree that they can not extricate themselves from the behavior. Additionally just as alcohalism can be passed down through the generations through genetic predispositon or by example and codependancy, so homosexuality may be passed down to following generations the same way. Do we want to promote Gay marriage out of codependancy and enable behavior that goes against normal human functioning?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm | Reply
  387. Erica

    Who says the beliefs of those who don't have religious beliefs should trump the beliefs of the religious? America's philosophy of "tolerance" just doesn't work. People seem to be "tolerant" of everything except Christian moral beliefs. They are "tolerant" of everything except the belief that something is wrong. Bad news...some things are wrong. We can't walk around our country on egg shells anymore trying not to offend anyone. And we need to stop labeling people as bigots that don't agree with gay and lesbian activity. Don't they have a right to believe whether something is right and wrong and to stand for what they think is right? This political correctness is going to bring us to ruin.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm | Reply
  388. BobNYC

    Fact: We live in a democracy wherein majority rule is checked and balanced by the guarantee of inalienable minority rights. That is a fact.

    Fact: (To Mr. Joe Kilker): your interpretation of the Bible and your other personal standards are NOT allowed to influence the laws in these United States of America where separation of Church and State was the stated intent of the Founders of these United States of America. In fact, this country was founded by people fleeing a government that was imposing its religious-based laws on them. That is a fact.

    Fact: This always has been an issue of equal rights under the law.

    Its just that simple.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm | Reply
  389. Philip

    Marriage is an institution of the church meant to be between a MAN and a WOMAN before God. I don't mind letting Gays live together and having rights such as visitation rights at hospitals, etc. Just please stop trying to re-define marriage. By having states or even the nation recognize a gay union as marriage still wont prove anything, they still wont be accepted culturally and socially by the majority of the world. Leave marriage to be between and man and woman as God intended it and live your life and we'll live ours.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:46 pm | Reply
  390. Corey

    To MikelB2010:

    I think the sight of two guys making out is hot.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:46 pm | Reply
  391. eddie

    God intended for man and woman to join as one in marriage. God also said "thou shall not kill". If one chooses to not to have morals by doing the opposite of what God commanded us to do; then why should we punish those that kill, why don't we instead pass a law that punishes only those that kill the Godly and not condemn those that kill the rest.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:46 pm | Reply
  392. Raun

    For those who believe homosexuality to be a sin, I have a few questions for you.

    I am interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as stated in Exodus 21:07. How should I go about arranging that, and what would a good and fair price be for her in today's market?

    My spouse sometimes is required to work on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:02 clearly states my spouse must be put to death. Am I morally obligated to carry that out myself, or can I have a contract deal done?

    For all you sports fans out there. Touching the dead skin of a pig makes one unclean Leviticus 11:07. If the teams we root for wear gloves, are they ok to go ahead and play ball?

    Living in a big city, this next one is important. Does my entire city have to get together to stone my brother for planting crops side by side? Deuteronomy 22:09 and Leviticus 19:19

    Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments of two different threads? Deuteronomy 22:11 and Leviticus 19:19

    Chew on those for a few before you decide to invoke your moral religious authority on me AND my spouse!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:46 pm | Reply
  393. analia

    To deny marriage to two consenting adults is shameful.

    We are on species among many floating on a beautiful planet in a expanding galaxy. We need unity through love, acceptance, compassion and understanding.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:46 pm | Reply
  394. MickeyMackey

    @ MikelB2010:

    You said 'hey hate two men making out or two women making out. It's disgusting to the eye. It's disgusting period. From an individual standpoint, I've got friends who are gay and there fine reasonable people. It's when they start making out, especially in public.

    Man that's bad on the eyes.'

    Tell that to the millions of yaoi fangirls worldwide, or the millions of college boys who watch girl-on-girl pornography, which is a very successful genre of porn ...

    August 12, 2010 at 8:46 pm | Reply
  395. Avalon0387

    Homosexuals have no fewer rights than heterosexuals. They can marry just like straights. Straights can't marry people of the same sex and neither can gays. Same rights for everyone.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:47 pm | Reply
  396. MikelB2010

    @ TO .Joe Kilker: Shut the freakk up!! You get real, you're asking a whole nation to do an about-face simply because two guys or two girls wanna screw each other.

    No way are we "straight" folk just going to cave in to your immoral thirst for lust.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm | Reply
  397. Peter

    I just cannot see how this is even a debate any more. It always seems to come back to Christianity, morality held near and dear by people in the "heartland."

    Seriously, don't bother quoting Bible verses. It's just a book. I am not Christian, and there are lots of other non Christians, and we do not believe it is holy. Might as well quote verses from Moby Dick. Maybe somebody out there believes in the message of Herman Melville through and through. It doesn't mean you or I have to follow their beliefs, no matter how dear they hold them. Freedom of religion also means freedom to have NO religion. It doesn't just mean freedom to be Christian.

    Imagine somebody had told you that you couldn't marry your wife, just because she has blonde hair. Sorry! My religion says that blonde people are an abomination. Since I believe it, so must you! "But that's ludicrous!" you say. "She was born with blonde hair. She can't help it. I love her and shouldn't be told who I can marry." Well, homosexual people can't help it either. They are born that way. Nope, it's not a learned behavior no matter what a Christian scientist says. Christian scientists used to say black people were inferior too, and unworthy of marrying whites, all part of fear-based masked biggotry.

    There is no excuse for intolerance toward another human being. None. If you believe in a Christian god, let him do the judging and live your life righteously. That's what he asked you to do. Love your neighbor. It is not your job to judge or impose your will on him. If somebody doesn't want to be witnessed to, leave them alone. They will be judged when they die.

    Give it up. Stop telling me what to believe. Think about how you feel when you are told what to believe by somebody else. That's how the rest of us feel when you quote Bible verses like they are the law.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm | Reply
  398. John

    To everyone complaining about a judge overturning a referendum – you do know what constitutions are for, right? You can't write unconstitutional laws, whether by referendum or any other way, but you can change the constitution. All you need to do is elect a congress majority that will vote for an anti-gay amendment.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm | Reply
  399. Edgar Friendly

    "but marriage is thousands of years old, it is a religious concept based on Judeo Cristian teaching"

    The institution of marriage predates recorded history. It's significantly older than ANY existing religion, but ESPECIALLY Christianity. Try again, with better information.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm | Reply
  400. JJ4nu

    This is another small step towards a society and nation living up to what it is capable of. The constitution grants and protects the rights of the minority despite the majority. As long as the rights you are asking for, in this case gay marriage do not infringe on the rights of others or harm them in anyway, your rights are protected. How does me wanting to marry my partner of nearly ten years so I can be granted the same benefits under the law as other couples hurt anyone else? This is not a religious issue, it is a issue of rights and equal treatment under the law. Faiths of all types can still choose whether or not to perform or support gay marriage. That is the separation of church and state at work. The authors of our constitution were pure genius and worked out one of the finest founding documents evern conceived.

    As for the will of the people who voted for prop 8, the judge is doing his job. The balance of power protects us all. A judge rulled discrimination based on color was wrong, laws again interracial marriage was wrong etc., now, years later, those decisions seem fundamental and right but at the time, there was a vocal majority that were against.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm | Reply
  401. RazorDx

    Do these gay mariages have the right to raise a child? and if so, what effect do you think will be on children raised up by gay parents??? will the children like it when they are grown up?? do children have a right to choose to be raised by gay parents??/ two men or two women raisng a child no that they were forced to by illegal means such as a rape or natural causes like death of one parent but by the Law they were permitted to be raised only by one sex??? what is the purpose of parenting?? what is purpose of a marriage?? everything is confusing now.... Why should they be permitted to take other people's children if they can never ever naturally reproduce children??

    August 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm | Reply
  402. Ian

    does that mean sheep molesters should expect the same "rights"?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm | Reply
  403. Papa_K

    There goes the neighborhood. Oh my, you religious people are taking this way too personally. My experience, and I have to say I'm a heterosexual, has been that people who complain about this are these Priory of self fear that if the law changes to allow these civil rights then they or their off spring will become gay. Gay is not contageous just like black doesn't wipe off. Being gay is a lifestyle just like being not gay. Do you really think that if this law is passed that there will be more child molestors? What exactly does that have to do with anything? Do you think that if this law is passed that there will be more rapes? What does that have to do with this?

    If this law is passed maybe there will be less people falling prey to a bunch of neiantheral fools running around looking for someone to beat up. Why do these people use religion when it has been bastardized to basically have no meaning to defend their postion?

    Because they are afriad that if they don't have something to justified why they haven't converted to being gay then they just might come out of the closet themselves.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm | Reply
  404. Brent

    You know, the media is going to spread this fire to keep us all tuned to their worthless, mind-numbing rambling.

    I actually think the idea of gay marriage is appalling. Hide behind whatever you want to call it...human rights, something guaranteed in the Constitution. I feel that it is wrong...will always feel that it is wrong...and there is nothing anyone else can say or do about that.

    So, if you want to think of me as a bigot, go ahead...you have probably figured out by now that I don't care. I do not have to be tolerant of you or your definition of anything. It is called taking a stand for something. If you don't do that...or say that you accept all peoples' beliefs on things, you really don't stand for anything...so who is the coward or the bigot in that case?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm | Reply
  405. concernedman

    This is totally wrong and these gay people are obviously sick by going against nature. If gays are encouraged there will come a time when women will be begging for relationships with men because we 'real' men will be limited in supply in terms of reproduction.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm | Reply
  406. Michael

    GLBT rights = human rights. In many countries in this world, basic human rights are not respected, and that goes for GLBT rights too.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm | Reply
  407. Barry

    Heterosexuality isn't "normal".. it's just VERY common. 🙂

    August 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm | Reply
  408. Erica

    Raun – can you find New Testament references?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm | Reply
  409. Chad

    They want Gay Marriage, just to be able to offend normal poeple. To stick it in our faces.

    All Homosexuals are Gender Rebels, and unwilling to meet the Societal Resposibilities required by their Biology. (I.E. Being a Man, or letting Men be Men.)

    Whether Male or Female, ALL Homosexuality is nothing more than an attack on True Manhood.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:50 pm | Reply
  410. MikelB2010

    @ MickeyMackey: Oh, that's great, young idiots now have older idiots to look up to.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:50 pm | Reply
  411. Alex

    First of all, I'd like to say that I am in no way against religion whatsoever. I was raised Catholic, and I love and respect ALL religious beliefs. But I would like to state that, although religion is important to many people, in no way has "God" picked a correct view on homosexuality, and any legal debate in these United States is free from religious influence. Take your biblical verses and arguments elsewhere. They are invalid, and by no means should be enforced on an entire country free from your religion. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have any right to take it away from those who need it.

    All of these comments using the "slippery slope", "rapist", and "age of consent" arguments are simply employing scare tactics. This is about two consenting adults getting married. It is absurd to see people who have NO involvement in this trying to make a statement.

    The reality is: unless you're a homosexuals who plans on getting involved in a same-sex marriage, you have no right to say that it's "wrong."

    To imply that your life is at all affected by two people marrying is absolutely ridiculous. You need to get out of people's lives. It is none of your business. No one voted on your marriage. No one should vote on mine.

    The result of legalizing gay marriage: gays marry. That is IT. Nothing else. Children won't turn gay. The "sanctity" of marriage won't dissipate. Divorce rates will not rise. (In fact, divorce rates in states that have legalized gay marriage are temporarily dropping.)

    August 12, 2010 at 8:50 pm | Reply
  412. Angel

    NO..NO..NO..! I cannot judge nor condemn homosexuals; they are just as everyone else – people, who are born with sinful nature. However, legalizing adultery (homosexuality is adultery) will open the floodgates of hell upon us. This shows how perverted and lawless people have become when they exchange morality for flesh! It will be as rising against what God had created us to be. Remember, we are created in the likeness of God, yet we have the will to choose our own path. If you choose today to support homosexuality you and your children are condemned to bear the burden. I am not afraid what will happen to me tomorrow, because I have the full assurance of salvation in Jesus Christ, but my heart is full of sorrow to see how people have lost their orientation and are blindly guided toward death. If you choose to support lawlessness, you will get lawlessness. Don’t use the constitution as an excuse; use it as an example of perfect order! For those of you seeking to make the right choice in your heart, here is what you have been looking for:

    Romans
    1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,[b] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in sinful man,[d] 4in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
    5Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6The mind of sinful man[e] is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; 7the sinful mind[f] is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:50 pm | Reply
  413. Brad Luca

    If you don't beleive in same sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex. Stop trying impose your moronic ideals on other people!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:50 pm | Reply
  414. ck

    come to canada. Gay marriage is legal here and everyone is just fine.
    Get over it.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:50 pm | Reply
  415. Deb G

    If you are against same sex marriage, then the solution is SIMPLE...
    DON'T MARRY SOMEONE OF THE SAME SEX...
    ...And leave my EQUAL RIGHTS ALONE ! All men/women are created EQUAL and shall be granted EQUAL RIGHTS under the LAW !
    God Bless America !!!!!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:50 pm | Reply
  416. Simpleoby

    Genesis 19. The US founding Father's were true Christians and if care's not taken, what happened in Sodom and Gomorah is not far from happening......

    August 12, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  417. Pro-prop 8

    If it were intended that men be with men and women be with women, nature would have made it so that they could reproduce. Here's the fact: it takes a man and a woman. That is how God (or, if you don't believe in God – nature) created the world.

    I acknowledge that we all have the freedom of sexual preference, but I do not, however, agree that the definition of marriage should be changed from what it has been for millions of years – man and woman. Statistics show that children raised in a home with a man and a woman as parents progress better than those raised with parents in a homosexual relationship. Let those who are homosexual commit to each other as partners and receive the same governmental rights and privileges, but DO NOT say it is marriage, and DO NOT call it a family.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  418. Isaac Rahman

    @ Joe Kilker, the only law that gays are breaking is the bible, which is a fictitious book written by ignorant men.

    Seriously, grow up... time to let go of Santa, Jesus, and Mother Goose...

    August 12, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  419. Middle Aged Gay

    I recently attended a same sex wedding. A legal one in MA. As a gay man the experience only increased my advocacy for this right.
    http://middle-aged-gay.blogspot.com/

    August 12, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  420. Madison B

    Why do straight people care?! If you're not gay, then why do you care what gay people do? What people what to do with their own lives is their business and as Americans we have the right to do what the heck we want and it is laid out in the Constitution, the right to pursue happiness! Its not like this law is going to make straight people get married to gay people, so why do straight people care? I'm straight and I don't care, it does not affect my everyday life so, again, why should I care? And P.S. for those religious persons, SEPARATION FROM CHURCH AND STATE RING A BELL??? So, please don't waste people's time and use religion as a reason against gay marriage.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  421. MikelB2010

    @ TO .Joe Kilker: Shut the freakk up!! You get real! You're asking a whole nation to do an about-face simply because two guys or two girls wanna screw each other.

    No way are we "straight" folk just going to cave in to your immoral thirst for lust.

    What a joke!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  422. Mubarak, ilorin, Nigeria

    homosexuality is like any deviant behaviour, homesexuals need right to get treated in psychiatric hospitals not right to remove the right of adopted children to grow up in natural and normal families

    August 12, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  423. Mark

    the Bible says that we shouldn't eat pork, but we do. the Bible says that there are myriad of sins things that we shouldn't do, but we do them? why? because Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law and it is his grace, mercy and love that saves us from us, and delivers us from the damnation of sin, guilt, and the judgment of God. SO? so, let's stop using irrational, theologically illogical, and un-biblical arguments against gay unions.

    i'm not saying that all churches should or all pastors must perform gay marriages. that should be left up to the theological convictions of each pastor and denomination. HOWEVER, no one should prohibit gay couples, who are in committed, monogamous, loving, and binding relationships from enjoying all of the rights, benefits, and privileges of heterosexual couples in marriage.

    there are many heterosexual couples who should not be married. there are many heteros who shouldn't be parents. why does one's sexual orientation become such a qualifier for whether or not one should be allowed to married or to parent? the issue should really go back to the foundation of what makes a family a family – not just gender, but love, commitment, mutual respect, and enjoying the gift of life that God has given to us through Jesus Christ. NO ONE – not any institution or individual – has the right to take that away from another human being.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  424. avinash

    Maggi has no idea about the hindu culture or laws..thus is completely unqualified to make any comments. As a person of indian/hindu origin, I can say marriage is a union of two souls..nowhere does it mention it's gender bound.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm | Reply
  425. max

    what is the next step animals, because that is what is coming.
    The Law is sick as is same sex where do we draw the line you might think a child with a dog is sick but as you have rejected God who are you to say this in your world of evil God is to be despised and laws are out the window. where do we draw the line.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm | Reply
  426. Parkerman

    No it should not be legal, it is not a relationship that creates life on its own nor does it provide the best foundation for raising children. I respect peoples beliefs, but we have to have a workable society. Gay marriages simply lean upon other indivuals, whether its through adoption or sperm donors to creat life. They cannot establish a bioloical link on their own

    August 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm | Reply
  427. Edgar Friendly

    "No matter how much you legalize it, it is a sin. An abomination. I will be the straight line in a world that is blurred no matter what the cost."

    That's fine. You have the right to be steamrolled by progress as much as the next guy. I'm sure you'll be just as vindicated by history as everybody else in that position. Best of luck.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm | Reply
  428. musahmed

    this gay thing that u guys r fighting 4 is bad 4 our kids, thats a bad example 4 them, and their will come a time when kids will married each other at 10yrs old of age

    August 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm | Reply
  429. john atkins

    why don't we just all be gay then we can stop reproducing and end the human civilization

    August 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm | Reply
  430. Ken Harris

    I voted against Gay marriage twice. Twice the will of the voters of the state of California has been struck down by a minority. This is not the America I grew up in. You may say the courts protect Americans from unjust laws. Do they really? Who protects Americans from unjust judges who are redefining America for their own purposes despite what most of us want. This is not right! The writers of our constitution would be appalled.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:53 pm | Reply
  431. CW

    The question here is not whether being gay is immoral, perverse, wrong. Its about our ability as Americans and citizens of the planet to have the right to choose our own destiny.

    In the declaration of independence, the founding fathers saw fit to ensure that all Americans the right to "life, liberty, and happiness". All we are seeking is the ability to fulfill that promise. I never had a choice in what or who made me happy, but I can choose not to lie to myself, my family, and to a potential partner.

    I do not like people who use the name of God to justify their hatred. I am gay. And i believe in God. I believe that the God i pray to is merciful and loves all of his children. Hatred and bigotry are created by man. Love thy neighbor as thyself.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:53 pm | Reply
  432. Ezra

    I have an idea... It's going to sound crazy... Those against gay marriage, well, just don't get one, much in the same way people that don't like fast food shouldn't eat it.

    But maybe because I think for myself and don't follow some preacher's every comma and period regarding the bible, that I feel this way?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:53 pm | Reply
  433. Philip

    @Raun You loved to point to all old testament scriptures. Congrats for not understanding the context of the bible and Christianity. When Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead he did several things: 1. He made a new covenant (our sins have been covered by the blood of the cross) 2. He said we will not be able to get into heaven unless we REPENT of our sins and accept the Son as our savior. 3. The old rules of the Jews that you brought up are no longer true (Jesus mentions this several times as well as his followers that circumsision is no longer needed because it was originally set up for the Jewish nation, now the salvation that comes from the cross is for ANYONE who accepts Christ. Jesus Christ wants us to live HOLY lives and we cannot be holy by accepting sins such as homosexuality, impurity, or any thing that breaks the commandments he laid down. BUT we all sin and when we do, we recognize it to be wrong, ASK for forgiveness, REPENT, and go on. We do not accept our sins to be ok and then justify them to be right and then accept them to be the normal.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:53 pm | Reply
  434. Katie

    This country was founded by people escaping religious persecution. Just because the King James version of the bible says marriage is between a man and a woman means nothing in context with the United States Constitution, OR ANYONE OUTSIDE YOUR CONGRETATION.

    I'm always baffled at the fact that the "Christians" on these blogs are the most hateful ones! Is that what Jesus would do?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:53 pm | Reply
  435. Edgar Friendly

    "Whether Male or Female, ALL Homosexuality is nothing more than an attack on True Manhood."

    Honestly, as a straight person who has met plenty of gay folks and has plenty of gay friends, you just sound like a closeted homosexual. Good luck dealing with that.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Reply
  436. Rene

    Why shouldn't Homosexuals have same right to be a s miserable as the rest of us?

    This shouldn't even be a debate, Homosexuality is not a Lifestyle Choice!!!
    Research suggests that it is by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences, with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment.
    Geneticists have transplanted DNA in male fruit flies turning them away from females, and also altered the sexual preferences of female mice by removing a single gene linked to reproductive behavior. Without the gene, the mice gravitated toward mice of the same sex.

    Try reading something a little more current, rather than a publications written over 3500 years ago.

    Ban on gay marriage is wrong.
    A ban on Religion would make more sense.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Reply
  437. dana scott

    where do gays come from? heterosexuals, let's vote for a law that goes after heterosexuals who have been shown to produce gay's and make it illegal for them to reproduce again. and make them second class citizens also, states will not recognize their marriage any longer as they appear to have less moral standards than heterosexuals who can produce heterosexuals. go to the source of the problem.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Reply
  438. Rafael Castillo

    I certainly don't hate homosexuals. I don't feel sad for them either. Being a catholic I know that God loves everyone without exception. We are all sinners without exception and God still loves each and everyone of us. But homosexuality, that is, homosexual practice is wrong and we shouldn't call it otherwise. God DOESN'T APPROVE homosexuality. That from a doctrinal standpoint.

    Now from a human-social point of view gay marriage is wrong too. That opens the door to adoption, and that is simply not acceptable. It also redefines marriage which is one core value. This is not about bigotry at all, it is about our society and the world we make for ourselves and our children.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Reply
  439. Jake

    It doesn't hurt straight families, and it helps the gay ones (probably a bit of a net benefit to all) so I don't see what the fuss is about. If you don't agree with it, thats fine ... but that is not to say that some, even a slim majority, should be able to ban something as basic as marriage for others. We are supposed to have freedom in this country, and the equal protections clause in the constitution backs that up for EVERYONE (even people, couples, families, groups, etc. that you may not like or agree with).

    PS: If you deem it a completely religious issue, then I think the above applies even more. They have a right to their beliefs just as much as anyone else does.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Reply
  440. Z

    Justice Walker was acting within his granted powers by overturning Prop 8. It's a simple principle called judicial review where the courts are able to overturn anything passed by the other two branches on the grounds that they are unconstitutional.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Reply
  441. Erica

    SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE does ring a bell. A bell that says the church should not be forced by the state to recognize a marriage.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Reply
  442. please

    If gay people are alloewd this freedom all over he world whats next
    breeding gay young men through having the same sex parents. Basically all human structure would be damaged. The rate of homo behavior is all ready sky rocketing because of media and television
    promoting feminine behavior, although being overly macho is wrong you cant go the other way and expect America or the world to have positve results.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  443. AM

    marriage is a word/ institution defined by society to protection of people bonding in commitment, in terms of monitory, health, emotional and physical aspects. Thus it is just not symbolic, but a requirement for legalizing gay marriages.

    Being raised in India, which has seen positive change in last 4-5 years, including decriminalization of homosexual activities last year, I think activists, groups and individuals should take gay rights/awareness International – to lesser developed countries in Asia and Africa, and help set an example!

    USA in last 200 years, have set benchmarks for the entire world as a land of free thought and equality. It now needs to set another example just not for itself, but for millions of people around the world, those who seek light from the greatest democracy.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  444. Deb

    I think this is great! Anyone who tries make the argument of gay marriage not being godly, not natural or it's between a man and a women....obviously didn't get the memo! It's between two people who love one another. A select few can't use their religious views to discriminate against others at least not in this country, religious crazies.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  445. Alexander

    !) Homosexuality is not a psychological thing. It is something caused by genetics or the environment. Until the day we under what causes it, except that homosexuality can't be fixed by church or some therapy

    2) Take god out of the equation. People can get married in the united states and do not need a priest to oversee it. This is a legal issue and not a god issue. Now if gay people want to get married in a religious institution, I think that is another debate that can't be decided by the courts or congress.

    3) Aids and other STD's are not gods punishment for homosexuals.Virus's and parasites happen. They evolve to survive and reproduce. That being said, the wide spread though had to very much to do with the worlds irresponsibility with sex and drugs. Of course men can spread something like aids much easier then women. Which means lesbians are in the clear.

    4) Homosexuals =/= pedophiles The majority of homosexuals are like other normal people. They are into the same age of people they should be. They don't want to touch your children in inappropriate fashions.

    5) How homosexuals perform intercourse is between that person and their partner. They are not doing anything any less strange then a straight person is capable of. God isn't going to smite the earth because a homosexual couple stuck things in certain places.

    6) Whats going on in the world is not because god is punishing the world for homosexuals. Its is because of man's inability to get along. Its been like that since the beginning of the world. Earth was not built just for man. So a country built on shifting plates should have expected earthquakes and what not.

    7) Homosexuality isn't contagious. A married homosexual couple isn't going to convince others that their opposite gender partner is no longer their "type". How is marriage in a legal sense any more damaging then homosexual couples already being a couple. Again a religious marriage is between them, god and the church. A legally recognized marriage is between those people and the government. I support legally recognized marriage. I think that is something that everyone has the right to.

    8) Now someone said that next people will want to marry their pets. Pets can't consent and as of right not marriage is between human beings. Maybe one day there will be some big movement but for right now their isn't. People have a right to protest and start non destructive movements.

    9) Someone also talked about lovers between different nations. Its an immigration issue. We live in different countries. There is not unified world government right now. You want to marry your lover from france then either immigrate to france or have them immigrate to the states. Yeah the process is long and difficult. Its built that way to keep people out. A nation can not have its populace replaced with foreigners. Again until there is a world government this is the case right now.

    10) GOD DID NOT CREATE MARRIAGE!
    The actually union of people was not gods creations. Different religions have different unions. The united states should not be a christian state. It is a republic. Their is no official religion.

    Honestly can anyone give some hard evidence that having some legal papers that say two people are married will somehow destroy the world? If a church refuses to marry a couple then I think that's their right. But no judge can deny two people who can be legally married. That is the law and the law is the most important word for people who wish to live in this country.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  446. Alex

    Oh, and for all of those calling homosexuality "unnatural" and a "mental disorder," please refer to The American Psychological Association:

    "Is homosexuality a mental illness or emotional problem?
    No. Psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, a mental disorder, or an emotional problem. More than 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself, is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information.
    In the past, the studies of gay, lesbian, and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about such people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.
    In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better-designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting this removal.
    For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation."

    August 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  447. Lawrence

    Judge walker should step up the tempo to the next level by considering a divorced gay for a union between him and any of his domestic animal it's a free world.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  448. J Eaton Gonzalez

    Being treated equally in the US? That's an oxymoron.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  449. Fred

    For me, it is not about what harm gay marriage might or might not do, but in a democratic republic, it's about the laws representing the moral views of the majority. All legislation encompasses someone's morals whether religious or secular and, in most cases, it comes down to a majority vote by the citizens or their representatives. This was clearly demonstrated with Prop 8.

    So if my neighbor uses drugs in his or her home, it does not cause me any direct harm; however, I personally do not believe it is good so I will support legislation to keep it illegal. It is the same with gay marriage: I don't see how my gay neighbor's marriage would harm me, but I personally don't believe it is good, so I will vote against it. You can argue that it is contrary to your religion or it is a matter of human rights, but in the end, the laws should reflect the position of the majority. When/if that position changes, the laws can reflect the change.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  450. Me

    What's next? Legalizing human to animal marriage. It IS the same thing! Just as crazy and inappropriate!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  451. PJ

    In my opinion "marriage" is a Holy union between one man and one woman. In this era of "separation of church and state" the word "marriage" should be removed from all legal documents. All legal unions between individuals (hetrosexual or otherwise) should be delclared as "civil unions". Leave the sacrement of "Marriage" up to the religions as they see fit.

    When I got "married" in a church 25 years ago my wife and I signed two documents, one for the state (for which we paid $25) and the other for the church. Although it says "marriage license" on it, the document for the state was essentially legalizing a "civil union" between two people for the purposes of taxation, property rights, guardianship, etc. The document we signed for the church was an affirmation to the congregation and God that we would be faithful to each other for better or worse, richer or poorer, till death do us part. These are the true vows of marriage. In my opinion a civil union is a contract that can be rescinded by legal means, a marriage is for life, a one time contract between God and one man and one woman.

    The problem I have with this whole issue is that the homosexual activists want the majority of society to recognize their lifestyle as valid. They need the word "marriage" to remain on the legal document so that they can feel "the same" as everyone else. The fact is that most of society does not recognize homosexuality as a acceptable lifestyle.

    And while we're at it, as long as homosexuals are given civil union privilages, then there should be no legal reason not to grant unions to 3 or more people or legal unions between close relatives.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Reply
  452. Ozzy

    I believe if you love some one who has the right to tell you any thing. I believe if you love and want to make the commitment you should be able to. Who am I pass judgment. Good luck to all those in LOVE.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Reply
  453. Ezra

    "No it should not be legal, it is not a relationship that creates life on its own nor does it provide the best foundation for raising children. I respect peoples beliefs, but we have to have a workable society. Gay marriages simply lean upon other indivuals, whether its through adoption or sperm donors to creat life. They cannot establish a bioloical link on their own."

    The same is true of barren women. They should be barred, then, from marrying because they cannot contribute to society. Also true of the elderly beyond child-bearing age. Any woman beyond the age of menopause should not, according to your logic, be allowed to marry because her marriage is a fraud, a failure to produce children...Am I the only one seeing the ridiculousness of this argument?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Reply
  454. Mike

    lol...2 gay married men do NOT require sperm donors. I am guessing there is more than enough sperm to go around.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Reply
  455. Rick

    Honestly, it doesn't matter whether you agree with Gay marriage or not. As long as we have freedom of speech, churches and people are free to think of it as a sin, but that doesn't mean the government should treat it as a sin. Crazy christians shouldn't decide the fate of others.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Reply
  456. Raun

    @Erica – the bible is the bible. Why choose?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Reply
  457. Fridah from Uganda

    Let any Gay answer me. Were they born by gay parents?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Reply
  458. Cameron

    I suppose I shall be blunt about this.

    We as Americans talk about how we should be treated equally. We who call ourselves Christian should also take that stance. Does that mean I welcome homosexuality with open arms? Not at all. We all should repent before a holy God because we are all fallen, gay or straight. All have fallen short of the glory of God and in that light, we are all equal.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:57 pm | Reply
  459. Erica

    the idea of "having same sex parents" is a joke anyway. Basically...the lesbian girl or gay guy go and have an affair because they can't HAVE a baby with their gay partner naturally. So legalizing gay marriage is not only promoting homosexuality but it is also promoting having multiple sex partners...and increasing the rise of AIDS in our country because of that.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:57 pm | Reply
  460. Philip

    @Fridah I LOVE IT! Great question. 🙂

    August 12, 2010 at 8:57 pm | Reply
  461. Paul

    Bill – I don't want to marry my pet, I want to marry the consenting adult who I have loved exclusively and with all my heart for 9 years.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:57 pm | Reply
  462. Peter

    Parkerman: Good, there's too many people in the world anyway.

    Saying that homosexual people have equal rights is not going to turn all people gay. That's ridiculous. Old people can't have children either. There are couples who choose not to have children. Marriage isn't about children. It's about legal protection and a tax shelter. Children can still be conceived with or without a ring on your finger.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm | Reply
  463. Morgan

    You know, there's all this talk about "protecting traditional marriage" and "the proper raising of children." What in the hell have straight people done right in these areas? Half of all marriages end in divorce. There are so many children in foster homes or out on the streets because their parents can't provide for them. Has anyone questioned the ability of these spouses and parents? NO! People who are against gay marriage are simply against it for 2 reasons: they want to use the bible as a scapegoat for their hate and they're simply afraid that gays are going to outshine them in this department. It's not like it would be hard! There is such a thing as separation of church and state. Your religious views and morals should have NO part in making legislation. Please tell me how people wanting to have love isn't ok? Oh, and while we're talking about the bible here, don't forget to read the part about using the hyde of a cow being an abomination. A lot of you leather shoe wearing people are going to hell too. Do you eat shell fish? Guess you're going to hell as well. Me and all of my other pro-equality friends will see you there...and we're driving the party bus!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm | Reply
  464. Ryan

    let's use a little bit of logic here on why gay marriage should be allowed. first off, marriage is not a religious institution solely. there is marriage in a church, as well as marriage in a religious sense. you must be married in the eyes of the state to be legally married, obviously. you can be married in a church and not be legally married. so, the question here is for those who get married in a courthouse and not a church (as most homosexual couples would do. as me and my heterosexual wife did, we are atheists).

    on this basis, it is easy to reject the "christian" background of the legal institution of marriage, since it does not exist. marriage in a christian sense exists in the church. which is a separate entity for marriage than state marriage. all marriages in the eyes of the state are really civil unions. it is foolish to call gay marriage civil union while not calling straight marriage a civil union, they are the exact same concept.

    what banning gay marriage in american law does, in effect, is forbid people of a certain sexual persuasion, who are both consenting adults, to enter into voluntary contracts of their choosing, contracts that are only open to consenting adults of a heterosexual nature. this is sex discrimination, plain as day, and therefore i cannot see how a ban on gay marriage can be argued in court.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm | Reply
  465. SoCalJames

    The only thing I have to say is this. The People of California voted on Prop 8 and the majority were for it. Does our vote not count anymore. So I guess all it take is for some Judge from "SAN FRANCISCO" (funny how that is) to over turn the People of California"s vote. What a shame. So much for Democracy!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm | Reply
  466. Jim

    I believe any law legalizing gay marriage nationwide shoud be something like the argentine law wich guarantees the exact same rights to gay couples as straight couples have.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm | Reply
  467. Dave

    "To deny marriage to two consenting adults is shameful" - If citizens can't deny marriage to two consenting adults by whatever difinition is allowed then difine "Adult". Is it 8 years? 12 years? 21 years? 30 years? Is it okay if some circut judge says that "adult" is really 6 years old? The constitution allows the denial of all sorts of things that society deams as bad. So until society as a whole deems "gay marriage" okay take your facist rear back to Europe where it belongs.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm | Reply
  468. MikelB2010

    @ Deb: and what memo are you referring to? The one called "your opinion?" Really, don't argue with God, he decided long ago he wanted things His way and no way else.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm | Reply
  469. Danny

    Finally, a little respect!!!!!!!

    August 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm | Reply
  470. Nogm

    Gays are not to be judged by christians.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:59 pm | Reply
  471. Joel Noonan

    Oh, for heaven's sakes. I'm straight, I'm married, I'm even nominally Christian. Two guys, or two ladies, marrying each other doesn't threaten me in the slightest. My marriage is no weaker because of it. My children are not in danger because of it. Why on earth is this a problem?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:59 pm | Reply
  472. Eddie Taylor

    I don't understand why that in today's world that this is even an issue. Marriage doesn't have to be only between a man and a woman. If two people love one another than I don't see the problem with that. Besides marriage is almost laughable today with divorce through the roof and the ability to marry someone you met on a crazy night out in Vegas. Come on. Legal marriages should be allowed by federal law. Relgious institutions who wish not to allow homosexual marriages then that's their standing, but it should not affect the law. They are independent of the government and the government should be independent of them. This is a modern day civil rights movement. How would you feel if you loved someone enough to marry them, but someone told you that you couldn't?

    August 12, 2010 at 8:59 pm | Reply
  473. max

    I think its a mental condition that needs to be treated and understood

    August 12, 2010 at 8:59 pm | Reply
  474. Alexander

    Also you don't need to be married to have children. Hell you don't even need to know the other persons name to have children. Hell you don't even need to meet the other person to have children. Science has made the need for a man and a women to meet each other irrelevant now. What about couples who choose not to have children? What about couples who are incapable of having children? Is the marriage they have wrong because one of them won't pop out a few babies? The world is not going to see some sharp decline in population because homosexuals were allowed to get married.

    August 12, 2010 at 8:59 pm | Reply
  475. Jurgen R. Brul

    Hello CNN friends,

    We Need Healthy Adult GAY Education Quiz Show,
    because it connects People in a Healthy way,
    which Improve the Health, Safety and Well-being of Our World!

    Advice:
    ADULT GAY EDUCATION FOR ALL!
    Let us Now make our world
    a Better Healthier and Beautiful World
    for You and for Me!

    Greetings,
    Jurgen R. Brul
    Hometown: Paramaribo
    Country: Suriname
    Latin-American

    August 12, 2010 at 8:59 pm | Reply
  476. Philip

    @ Cameron. Yes we are all equal and a sin is a sin. But use Paul the apostle as an example. Several letters he wrote to the church was themed at telling them to stop living as they were, in the futility of their thinking and stop living in sensuality and repent. Reference Ephesians 4:14-25. By accepting gay marriage publicly we are not condemning it and we are accepting it, which is a sin by us Christians.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm | Reply
  477. brett

    Legalizing gay marriage is just another way of shoving other people's beliefs down everyone's throats. How will not allowing gay's to marry hurt them? It won't. But allowing gay's to marry will push the US even further down the crap hole.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm | Reply
  478. Ann Marie

    This country was founded on biblical priniciples and the Bible clearly states beginning in Genesis that marriage is between a man and a woman. Same sex marriage is mentioned in the Bible later when God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. This is very unseemly as mentioned in Romans 1. As Christians we must continue to fight for the moral values of this country.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm | Reply
  479. Lenny Pincus

    Pretty simple. One side wants equal protection and equal rights under the law, the other says "ewwww" and "icky" and stomps their feet as they selectively quote Leviticus.

    Holy rollers have been denying American citizens full Constitutional rights since America began, using the Bible as a bludgeon. In fact, the expansion of rights to all Americans is the undercurrent of almost all of American history. This is no different.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm | Reply
  480. nellie

    As a conservative born-and-raised christian, I am against gay marriage. It's not that I am homophobic, I am actually friends with a few gay people myself, it is that it violates the core values of marriage. At the same time as an American, there is no reason why the right to marriage should be denied to any individual. So, personal beliefs aside, I think that under the current law, gay marriage should be legal.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm | Reply
  481. ryan

    it's like getting excited for penicillin or space flight or electric lights or other ideas whose time should have come decades ago.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm | Reply
  482. eddie

    To those that are for gay marriage and that quote scripture to justify their case like RUAN in the comment above; praise the Lord that you were able to seek his word. The word of God is not understood by the deaf, and can not be seen by the blind; if you are seeking scripture, it will soon till you will be able to see the truth

    August 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm | Reply
  483. Erica

    Raun – every historical book must be taken in context. those laws were set up as a structure for the nation of Israel to follow before Jesus Christ came to earth. I.E., to eat pork was not a moral issue but a health issue. God made the law to not eat pork to protect people from the disease they could get if they did. When He came to earth, people only needed to follow the heart of the Old Testament law, not the letter of it. They needed to follow the moral laws, but not the civil laws.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:01 pm | Reply
  484. Magnus Ahlberg

    Well, for me it is no problem to allow same sex marriage, but being an atheist it is obvious for me.

    But remember, the mariiage in church is a christian haven so to speak, marriage should be allowed, but outside religious fences.

    Don`t force same sex marriage on religious groups and communities.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:01 pm | Reply
  485. JesusNeedsABreak

    Let my people go... and do whatever they want, if it offends thee then turn the other cheek and exit eden. OYG!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:01 pm | Reply
  486. Nogm

    God Himself will judge them for their wicked deeds.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:01 pm | Reply
  487. winton

    as a member of future parents association, FPA, i hope that someday the research to prevent the birth defects that lead to homosexuality (antibodies to the y chromosome, etc) will be properly funded and the heartbreak for families can, once and for all, be ended

    August 12, 2010 at 9:01 pm | Reply
  488. MikelB2010

    @ Cameron: so you're CNN opinion on this matter supersedes God's law?

    August 12, 2010 at 9:01 pm | Reply
  489. Joshua

    Erica – "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE does ring a bell. A bell that says the church should not be forced by the state to recognize a marriage."

    The church has nothing to do with it – The church gives zero legal rights all. No one cares if the church doesn't recognize it; seriously, get over yourselves.

    Equal Protection Under The Law =/= Equal Protection Within The Church.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm | Reply
  490. Anthony

    After reading a few comments against gay marriage and homosexuality in general, the biggest argument being demonstrated is people's religious beliefs.

    Religion should play NO part when it comes to LAWS of any kind.

    If you don't agree with gay marriage or homosexuality, then that is your right to express your opinions and beliefs; but do not state that something should or should not be law from a religious point of a view. If we made laws according to religion, there would be so many different ones, that it would be extremely challenging for us to agree on anything!

    If we left people's rights to be left to a majority vote by the people, does that mean that they are always right?...... I have to say no.

    Think about it, hypothetically. If England had decided to let the people vote on whether or not America should be it's own country back in the 1700's because of the way people felt they were being treated; do you honestly think they would have voted "Yes"? Um, the answer would have been a resounding NO! At that time, our forefathers were the minority standing up for the injustice that they were enduring" When civilized means failed, we had to use force.. and alas...the "American Revolution"!

    The Constitution is exactly why everyone should be treated equally and be protected under law, NOT religion.

    If we left voters across the country decide what religion people should practice ....mostly everyone would say Christian, since the Christian faith is the majority here in America. Does that mean that we should outlaw or send people out of the country if they are Jewish, Buddhists, Atheists, Islamic, etc...

    The problem is that politicians we vote for and elect use religion as a way to gain votes. Then they use that power to excerpt their religious beliefs when voting for bills. Just think about how much we could get done if we left religion out of the equation when it comes to government.

    If we made it practice that issues like gay marriage or immigration reform is to be left by a majority vote by the people; how are we not like a lesser form of communism or a totalitarian country?

    Basically our mantra would be "Our way or the Highway" Which to me, means "Hi, our country is going backwards!"

    But with almost any kind of topic, I think there is never 100% agreement. People can always justify for why they believe a certain way. That is why government exists.... to prevent anarchy and total chaos.

    But the question remains.... can a government protect people under laws that are not influenced by their personal beliefs or by a majority vote from its people?

    I don't know the answer to this, but I do know that marriage (or lawful unions) should be allowed and should be equal to ALL people.

    Maybe we could have "common law unions" for all people, and leave the term "marriages" for religious purposes.

    🙂

    August 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm | Reply
  491. Rachael Oliverio

    Why is it that the religious right are so often the ones that are so intolerant? I would rather have gays and lesbians than priests who molest children! What would Jesus say? Would He have been so intolerant? Judge not, lest ye be judged!!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm | Reply
  492. Canadian man

    Hey people I am a Canadian and we have legal right to be married and guess what? No one in the straight has died because we have been granted our constitutional rights and freedom to be same sex married.
    I hope your law makers grant what is right!

    Another happy canadian!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm | Reply
  493. Michele

    For those of you trying to define marriage, you may want to read "The Future of Marriage", by David Blankenhorn - very thought provoking.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm | Reply
  494. Nogm

    Let the righteous continue to in righteousness let the wicked continue in wickedness.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:03 pm | Reply
  495. jsp

    Breaking news: A gay judge in San Francisco creates a federal right to gay marriage. Also another shocker – there is gambling in casinos.

    Come on, this is a set up. Despite millions of people voting to ban gay marriage, which in CA means only a name – their civil unions laws are so loose in essence according to judge whats his name the people don't even have the right to name a man + a woman marriage and a man plus a man a civil union. If the people don't even have the right to name things, why do we have voting? There is no way the 9th Circuit Ct of Appeals will overturn this (they aren't in CA for nothing), and there are 4 real justices and 4 phonty justices and 1 iffy justice (whom the bet is that he will vote gay).

    Judge whats his name is as unAmerican as Sharia law, on second thought for him a few days of Sharia law might be just the right cure.

    Every state that has the chance to vote on gay marriage has turned it down. Like it or not the vast majority of homosexuals are not 'born' that way. Science has shown time and time again that this is a choice no less than liking blonds, tall women, fat women, asians, etc. However, it is a choice that the vast majority of the world rejects as "banal" (John Paul II). Yes, a very small minority of gays are 'born' that way, but so are many drug users 'born' more susceptible to addiction, we still don't condone it or make them any less liable (legally) for their actions. Where is the limit? Polygamy? Incestuous gay marriage?

    In the end you can put 2 cow patties together and stuff some cheese and bologna in between, just don't try to tell me its 'equal' to all other sandwiches.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:03 pm | Reply
  496. blf83

    It's the right decision. It will soon be possible throughout the US as is its in other countries – where, not incidentally, it's no big whoop!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:03 pm | Reply
  497. Kevin

    It's part of American culture, the problem with citizens who are opposed to gay marriage are picking and choosing from American culture what fits their choice or lifestyle and leaving behind the burden of inequality, and that's not what this country is about! It didn't just start with gay marriage, it began when this country was established. We've come so far as a country but there is still a long way to go!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:03 pm | Reply
  498. Rob - Las Vegas

    Judge Walker's lifting of the stay goes into affect at 5 AM August 18th – at which time same sex marriages can resume in the state of California. HOORAY! The Prop. 8 proponents cannot appeal the judge's decison to the 9th District Circuit Court or ask in effect to stay the lifting of the judge's stay. Since this is a state constitutional issue ONLY the of California, i.e the Govenor or the Attorney General can appeal the lifting of the stay to the 9th Circuit Court. Both the Govenor and the Attorney General side with the No on Prop 8 advocates that the state proposition was unconstitutional and denied citizens of their basic civil rights under the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
    So basically, the State of California has to appeal that same sex couples should not be married by the state. Interesting development – stay tuned folks for more on a great civics issue.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:03 pm | Reply
  499. kingsley oghonyon

    it is ungodly,its an aberation.those practicing this rubbish are possessed.disgusting cant stand gay guys

    August 12, 2010 at 9:03 pm | Reply
  500. Deanna Wilson

    I was one of the few were married in CA during the short time it was legal and have been a boring married couple now for over a year and guess what?? No one cares in the least. My spouse and I have have twins that I gave birth to and I am a soccer mom, on the PTA, volunteer in the school, and no one gives a darn that we are a 2 mom family.

    If gay marriage goes against your personal views, don't do it.

    We are not asking for permission but it is simply what is legal, it will be shown when it reaches the supreme court. Bottom line if your church is opposed to gay marriage we don't want anything to do with your church. We would never be married in hate filled walls so just get over it. It is simply about taxes and benefits that all U.S. citizens are allowed. Why do we pay more federal taxes? Because we have to file single, absolutely wrong.

    I am not having any of you haters over for dinner so just go about your lives finding new people to judge and hate, don't worry you can still judge and hate us, we will just be married while you do it.

    XOXO

    August 12, 2010 at 9:04 pm | Reply
  501. ryan

    divorce is not recognized by the catholic church yet we have a very real need for the courts to recognize it. much in the same way, the church has every right to not recognize same-sex unions but this should not dictate the laws governing it.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:04 pm | Reply
  502. Peter

    "What's next? Legalizing human to animal marriage. It IS the same thing! Just as crazy and inappropriate!"

    Animals can't sign contracts. Nor are they afforded equal rights by the Constitution.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:04 pm | Reply
  503. Robert in NYC

    Of course gay people should be allowed to marry! Why deny them and their families this basic and fundamental right? It's insane that we are even having this dialogue! I know wonderful gay parents who have adopted children and are raising them in loving caring homes. I would love for Maggie Gallagher or any other opponent of gay marriage to sit down with their children and explain to them why their wonderful loving parents don't deserve the right to get married.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:04 pm | Reply
  504. Jake

    "Its not like this law is going to make straight people get married to gay people, so why do straight people care?"

    Precisely, and if anything it would help prevent that. Many gays are still pushed or scared into marriage with a straight spouce, and it almost always disasterous ... for obvious reasons. It isn't good for the gays or the straights, and certainly not for any resulting children if they get that far.

    PS: I doubt that even the most stringent fighters of gay rights would want, say, a gay man marrying their daughter.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:04 pm | Reply
  505. MikelB2010

    @ Cameron: So you're CNN opinion on this issue supersedes God's law because you say so? What a fool.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:04 pm | Reply
  506. TJAZ

    Marriage is a social union or legal contract between individuals that creates kinship. It is an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged in a variety of ways, depending on the culture or subculture in which it is found. Such a union may also be called matrimony, while the ceremony that marks its beginning is usually called a wedding. ( by definition)... The constitution allows for equal treatment of ALL citizens. Proven by a sound and understanding judge that is upholding true law and not allowing a hateful voting bloc to punish citizens they deem unworthy of a life of liberty and freedom in our great country. "Christianity" and the bible have NOTHING to do with this as our founding fathers intended. The church has no voice in this issue and we should be pointing the finger at the religious zealots in our country that promote vicious hate and spout their pious beliefs when they sweep horrific injustices and crimes under the rug to protect their own institutions of entitlement all in the name of God.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:05 pm | Reply
  507. Chris

    Marriage didn't exist for more than 95% of human existence. It is a modern convention, and like most things invented by man (God included), the practice will eventually die off as irrelevant.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:05 pm | Reply
  508. Emily

    Why don't we just get rid of the term "marriage" at the government and legal level and it will be something that religions do on their own. Then everyone is equal and they get a "union" if they want it (then it is completely a legal thing). The religions get to keep marriage the way they want it. And lets face it, marriage and that commitment is not what it used to be, we all sleep around before and most of us after we get married anyway.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:05 pm | Reply
  509. DCGuy

    It is amazing how the same groups of people that feel gay marriage is wrong are also the same groups that felt slavery was acceptable, also felt that segregation was acceptable, also felt that interracial marriage was unacceptable. They constantly impose their beliefs on others. The US was founded on the principals of separation of church and state, and the right to pursue happiness. What if we just abolished marriage all together and leveled the "playing field". No more perks or incentives for married people. We are all the same and can guide our own wishes and lives. Those that offer marriage as a scared institution should step back and see how many end in divorce!!! People who live in glass houses should NOT throw rocks.
    I VOTE FOR ABOLISHING MARRIAGE ALL TOGETHER!!! Then see how they react.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:05 pm | Reply
  510. Kt

    People who say it's Bibical to let somebody get married to the same sex has not read the Bible at all or have some new age Bible probably from Oprah!
    God say's it's wrong in the Old and New Testament. Either you belive God's word or you dont.
    To the people who think it's great are given over to believe a Lie like Roman's Chapter 1 said it would.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:05 pm | Reply
  511. N.J. Hourquebie

    @Fridah (and Philip)... No, and that is why I am not hetrophobic... let's not forget, it takes two of you to make one of us.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:05 pm | Reply
  512. catco

    Two thirds of the population of California said NO to gay marriage. The gay judge that overturned the will of the people will eventually be removed as will the temporary allowing of gay marriage.

    Allowing this perversion to increase does nothing but undermine sociaty as a whole. It's value is nothing but treachery and discust.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:06 pm | Reply
  513. Alexander

    The reason why age limits are in effect is because society in a majority agree that children are incapable of consent. That lack the mental ability to make these choices. So then its in the same argument as rape. Can you honestly tell me that an 8 year old(hell even some adults are still in the dark) understand the ins and outs of marriage?

    August 12, 2010 at 9:06 pm | Reply
  514. saltandlight

    And the downward spiral continues...

    August 12, 2010 at 9:07 pm | Reply
  515. Edgar Friendly

    "Let any Gay answer me. Were they born by gay parents?"

    Guy sitting next to me has divorced parents because they realized they were gay after they had him. Both of them. 25+ years later, both are still gay. So despite how fundamentally stupid your question is: yes, there are people like that. A lot more than you'd think, actually, mostly due to how many people "try" NOT to be gay before embracing the fact that they ARE gay.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:07 pm | Reply
  516. Jon

    @Erica: "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE does ring a bell. A bell that says the church should not be forced by the state to recognize a marriage."

    This debate is about the government recognizing rights for citizens, not forcing churches to perform same sex marriages. The fact that people think the Bible, Koran, or any other holy book should inform the law are just plain wrong.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:07 pm | Reply
  517. Marie

    To most people marriage is a symbol of love. If two people want to express their love to eachother weather it be a man and a woman, two women, or two men why and how does it effect the rest of the world? We are all human so we all deserve the same rights.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:07 pm | Reply
  518. Inevitable

    It is no longer a "marriage". Both opposite sex and same sex "legally recognized semi-permanent unions" (LRSPU), will no longer be the basis for according contract (read: health care insurance), or other "rights" the gays claimed as entitlements. Instead, the social value of these LRSPUs will be diminished and eventually disappear as a human behavior. Welcome to the new tribal community. Now get out if you don't look like or think like me; go form your own tribe. Will we all get along? I doubt it.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:07 pm | Reply
  519. TO: Raun

    Priceless! LOVE IT!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:07 pm | Reply
  520. Turp Griswald

    It is not divisions in lifestyles that compromise our society. Nor is it differences in religious beliefs. It is an unwillingness to listen openly and express our thoughts respectfully. This blog gives a very sad testimony to the state of the nation and the world.

    rr

    August 12, 2010 at 9:08 pm | Reply
  521. Jason C

    "marriage" should not be defined by the government. It was in existence long before any legal defenition of it. I do not understand how the governement can tell people what they need to recognize under their religions. A cival union should be perfectly legal between two consenting adults. Anyone legaly joined should be able to receive benefits and anything else married couple receive. Re-defining marriage should be protected by the constitution by the seperation of church and state. The government is stepping on peoples religion. I am not a religious person, but I feel bad for all the people who just had their religious ceremony once again redefined by the government. I hope gays get the same rights as everyone else, but stop pushing to call it a marriage, that is between a man and a woman!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:08 pm | Reply
  522. Tukuma

    Denmark was once at the forefront of gay rights but has, in recent years, fallen behind its more liberal European neighbours, failing to provide equal rights for LGBTQ people. Originally from the UK myself, I believe that countries like the Uk and Denmark have an obligation to lead the way to show that they support full equal rights for all people, regardless of sexual orientation. In particular, the UK has an obligation to support the case for equal rights in its former colonies, having instigated many of the current problems through its sodomy laws, which, unfortunataley, have formed the basis of much legal argument in many countries against human rights.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:08 pm | Reply
  523. olaoluwa

    Why in God's name would a sane man allow same sex marriage ; that defeats the very means of procreation.if your dad was gay then there would never have been you. Got it? In fact i think theses people need deliverance

    August 12, 2010 at 9:08 pm | Reply
  524. Robert

    You people who use religious verses and such to justify unequal treatment in America need to understand that in America their is a seperation between CHURCH AND STATE!!!!! What if I am an atheieist in this country or non practicing Christian who does not care about the God you worship??? What happens then??? Do I still have to abide by your rules because you are a part of the majority Christian sect in America. Understand this country was a haven from the beginning for those whe were being persecuted. Don't allow persecution to continue in a country that stands for liberty and independance. LOVE and PEACE for ALL!!!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:08 pm | Reply
  525. Edgar Friendly

    "I think its a mental condition that needs to be treated and understood"

    I feel the same way about ignorance, but let's see how you react when I try to "treat" and "understand" you.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:08 pm | Reply
  526. MikelB2010

    @ Deanna Wilson: spoken like a true "hater." you sit there writing up your gay "feelings" about how you don't want us over for dinner. No one wants to have dinner with you. People who are gay aren't bad people, it's that they’re doing something contrary to what our religious belief state.

    Don't be hating, take up with God, not us. I can guarantee your not going to like the answer given.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:08 pm | Reply
  527. jMoss

    I am against gay marriage, not against gays or them being denied "rights". I don't see marriage as a "right". Marriage is an legal agreement between a man and a woman, not a right.

    Lets be adults and accept that with all the decisions we make in life there are consequences. If you choose to be with someone of the same sex, can you reproduce? No, because its a consequence of your choice. Along the same lines I don't think marriage should be ammended to include homosexuals. Marriage is a union between a man and a woman, its just that simple – its a club gays unfortunately can't join. Gays should just call it something else, I don't know, a "garriage".

    Now, if there are legal priviledges that coincide with "marriage", gays shouldn't be excluded from them in their "garriage", that would be a violation of their rights.

    Please, all anti-gay marriage people out there quoting Bible verses, stop it, because you sound stupid and its rubbing off on those of us who aren't. We have a separation of church and state in this country for a reason. Thank GOD!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:08 pm | Reply
  528. Mike

    This is a country of LAWS.. If this were not true, there is little doubt that blacks would not be voting and women would be all barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen. The issue before us is not a lot different from the rights extended under the voting rights act. If we had let a Proposition 8 determine if blacks could vote, several states would still say no. Same is true with the vote for women.

    It wasn't very long ago that women couldn't drive, vote, or speak in public. Within the last few decades, blacks could not eat in the same restaurants as whites. If you recall, many of the arguments for maintaining that lifestyle was based on God's Word. I was hoping we learned from our mistakes – apparently not.

    If anyone wants to go back to those times please go ahead. Move to Iran, Iraq or some other country.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:09 pm | Reply
  529. Fashnlvr

    Currently in the United States homosexual people have the same right to be married as do heterosexuals. All adults have the right to marry a member of the opposite sex. So wanting to marry a member of the same sex would not be equal rights and homosexuals are not being denied equal rights.
    I fail to see the problem. Gay marriage to me is defined as a gay man married to a gay woman.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:09 pm | Reply
  530. Joel

    So if gays get their rights than by gosh let the pediphiles have their rights! Let those who steal get rights! Its a free country....no? Those who want this passed want THEIR rights to be legal. They care of no one else. There is a line drawn for a reason. If you take that line away whats stopping everything to becoming legal? People bash Christians in this country. I see it all the time! People proclaim let everyone be heard! Everyone has a voice its all EQUAL!!! How bout letting Christians say what they want and quit trying to CHANGE them?? Food for thought 🙂

    August 12, 2010 at 9:10 pm | Reply
  531. McLaw

    I find it amusing how often the "sanctity of marriage" is brought up during this discussion. Hasn't divorce already destroyed the sanctity. If marriage is such a precious thing to maintain and protect, why is their no protest against divorce.
    Also how can so many who are already on their second or third marriage ( ex. rush limbaugh) speak out about gay marriage on the ground of morality and sanctity.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:10 pm | Reply
  532. Dawn

    First I would like to say – I AM NOT COLLATERAL DAMAGE. My lesibian mothers did not harm me with their life style and I grew up to be a straight woman. I also grew to be a loving accepting woman who shows compasion for others – even those not so deserving of it. I get so tired of people fearing how same sex parents will raise their children - why don't you ask some of us? Why don't you look in your neighborhoods and see the children who are already being raise by gay and lesbian couples.
    Why would you deny a child love – because the person wanting to love them is gay? You would rather they be raised in an orphanage with 1 gardian to 10 kids then allow a gay couple to bring them into their home and love them?

    Second – MARRIAGE IS A RIGHT GIVEN BY THE GOVERMENT. Your minister may perform the cermony – but you get the licence from your courthouse – and in America – Church and State are seperate - so your moral stance on the validity of same sex marriage means nothing. The reason why a judge over turned the ban is because in America – your moral view point does not make law – and we do not have the right to take rights from others because we do not believe in how they live- when how they live do not harm others.

    If we BAN something – what will be next? Fat people can't walk outside because it offends people? Disabled people can marry because they may produce disabled kids? Anthiest can't marry cause they don't believe in god.... just call us the United States of Christian's.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:10 pm | Reply
  533. Chris

    I have yet to hear any valid reason why same sex couples shouldn't be allowed to marry. Clearly it takes a man and woman to have a baby...but marriage is so much more than that. And let's face it, in America, all people should have the same opportunity. While we're at treating things equally...how about taxing religous institutions like businesses or citizens? I bet the federal and state deficits would disappear!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:10 pm | Reply
  534. Fred

    Not EVERYTHING is a civil right! There is no provision in the Constitution to allow Gay Marriage. That's society's decision and in poll and after poll, most American do not want it to be legal. That does not mean that some people have more rights than others. It means that society sets standards of behavior and that's not part of the standard we want to set.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:10 pm | Reply
  535. cp1

    I get more sad daily.. watching this country's downfall by allowing such things in the name of "equality".. you can say. "get with the times".. The "times" doesn't make Gay marriage right. I'm not wishing any of them anything bad.. I will pray for them. But as a country we need to stand firm on the principles that founded this great land. "in GOD we trust".. The United STates is letting GOD down.. Come on people.. dont be more accepting just because its becoming more and more acceptable.. That doesnt make it right! STAnd firm!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:10 pm | Reply
  536. GAY IS EVIL

    REMEMBER SODOM AND GOMORRAH, THEY STARTED LIKE THIS

    August 12, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Reply
  537. Echo

    Has anyone noticed the atrocious grammar, syntax and spelling that are largely written by the antigay crowd? I guess education makes you more tolerant.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Reply
  538. Ali

    A message to everyone who is claiming same sex marriage goes against the Bible- check the tags on your clothes...are they made from a blend of materials, a cotton blend perchance? If so, apparently a seat next to those heathen homos will be saved for you in hell. Have you eaten pork lately? Or how about shopped on the Sabbath? Shame on you!!! Maybe people should actually read the Bible front to back before they start claiming to know what God's will is.

    This is a civil right's issue. If women's sufferage and desegregation had been left up to the voters, I would not exist, nor would my mother be allowed to vote.

    For those people who think that gays and lesbians don't need to get married because domestic partnerships and reciprocal beneficiaries exist in some states- look at the difference in rights...not equal.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Reply
  539. Roberto from Italy

    As we can see from many of the previous comments the main reasons to oppose the right for same sex couple to marry are based on religious superstitions. Religious people should follow their 'Holy Books' (there are many of them) and live their lives according to those, if they want. But they should not pretende the rest of humanity to follow their same dogmatic rules about what they believe 'God' wants from humanity. Modern secular nations should protect their citizens from religious fanatism, being the cause of many suffering for so many people around the world. Secular states and equal rights for all is the right direction to go and this of course include same-sex marriage. (Thanks to CNN for the very interesting broadcast tonight ).

    August 12, 2010 at 9:12 pm | Reply
  540. Sean

    It's not that I would want a traditional wedding - I really, really don't - but I don't trust that a civil union would be legally equal to marriage, even if for some reason I was convinced that it was morally equal for a majority to discriminate against me.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:12 pm | Reply
  541. Don and Jeff (together 21 years and counting!)

    What debate!? Since when are human rights debated and voted upon in this country? If civil rights had been debated when LBJ forced the Civil Rights Act down the throats of the racist south, there would still be no guarantee of civil rights in this nation. It is "One Nation Under God Indivisible." The bigots in this country have to stop dividing us - But it is the only way they win elections - so it is unlikely to stop until we have a national leader like LBJ with the courage to say enough is enough. Sadly, it appears that Obama is not that leader.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:12 pm | Reply
  542. please

    At what point do gay people start to see my son as being attractive he is 10 now if people are gay at and early age that means he could already have friends sizing him up and trying to influence him that something thats not natural is OK because everyone else is doing it...
    ...just SAD

    August 12, 2010 at 9:13 pm | Reply
  543. 11c Infantry

    Here's a big part of the problem. The debate on Gay marriage assumes Homosexuality in normal behavior. It is not. Even evolution speaks against it. If homosexuality was a normal part of the evolutionary process none of us would be here. Homosexuals are non reproductive. Every Homosexual person owes their existence to a Heterosexual mom and dad. Heterosexuality may beget homosexuality but homosexuality begets futiltiy as far as the human race goes. Homosexuality is a deviation from normal human functioning. Therefore Gay marriage would institutionalize a pattern of relating that goes against human nature itself.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:13 pm | Reply
  544. ScottK

    After reading many of the posts I would like to respond to all the gay hate people commenting:

    1. Gay people do not and never will want to lower the age of consent. The idea that gay = pedaphile is ignorant and misinformed and every balanced study done so far proves it. There are by far more straight abusers of children than gay abusers, infact only 2 out of 269 cases studied in a Denver childrens hospital1992 were gay, the rest were hetro associated individuals. According to these studies you would be better off letting your gay neighbor babysit your kids than your macho brother in-law.(http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html)

    2. Marriage is not a "Christian Thing". Marriage has existed in virtually every society since the start of written human history, the oldest known and recorded marriage laws are discerned in Hammurabi's Code, enacted by ancient Mesopotamians who were not Christian.

    3. Slippery Slope theory: Just that, a theory. All actual evidence points to no increase in incestual or beastial relations when gay relationships are recognized. Ignorant people who hold to what ever their pastor/preacher says from the pulpit are the only ones who buy this load of fecal matter.

    4. The bible says to repoduce, so you have to marry someone of the oposite gender to fulfill Gods wishes. Ok, so if this is true, then we should void all marriages between men & women if either of them is barren, since they obviously cant reproduce, they also must be included in the group. Again, only morons would espouse such non-sense. You prove to me that not only does God exist, but that you personaly know how he wants us to live, and your not allowed to use any rewritten/recompiled 1600 year compilation book from over 40 authors written over a 1500 year span of time, and I will concede that gays should not marry because God said so.

    5. Majority rules. This is the most bogus of all the excuses out there because it literally flips the finger at the American constitution. This is a land that protects the freedoms of all people, majority and minority and makes special exceptions for the minority which it knows can never win a true democratic vote since by definition they have smaller numbers of voters. We would not have a female vote, a black vote or any kind of equal rights if this were not true. Shame on those who think that just because the mob wants to hang someone they must be guilty with no proof of guilt. Shame shame shame.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:13 pm | Reply
  545. Jon

    @Fred: "Not EVERYTHING is a civil right! There is no provision in the Constitution to allow Gay Marriage."

    Read the Ninth Amendment.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:13 pm | Reply
  546. Warhammer

    If a person is sick you tell them so. Otherwise, lying to them is a sin. Thou shall not bear false wittness. Sound familiar?

    This kind of thing is not natural in any sense. Being gay/lesbian is a disease that should be seriously diagnosed and treated with something. Besides, why degrade such a beautiful holy symbol like the rainbow? Can't you broken people choose something else to deface?

    In the beginning, God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. When Adam was created...did he ask God if he could screw another man? Of course not, God created him a perfect equal...A WOMAN!!!

    Homosexuality is an abomination in its own right. Getting married to another member of the same sex is not formally recognized by the Holy Catholic Church.

    What other reasons do you need to stay on the straight and narrow?

    Makes me wonder what people will do next...marry animals? Our world is slowly decaying and this kind of S**T is causing it. Thanks for slowly ruining our world!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:13 pm | Reply
  547. Jman

    Hey right wing:

    who cares if homosexuals want to get civil unions recognized by the morally bankrupt and spiritually dead government as long as they do not have a minister of the gospel preside over thier ceremony or sue for one to? They can't because of the first amdendment

    Hey left wingers:

    stop using that weak argument from ignorance about the first amendment. It states "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exersize thereof," so, based on the time it was written it means congress cannot make a state church, nor deny anyone elses's rights of religious practice who does not belong to thier denomination. Based on this also, churches actually have freedom from being sued

    Hey Homosexuals:

    There is no gay gene, you choose to be the way you are just as a heterosexual chooses to be a heterosexual and a muslim person chooses to be a muslim. In attempting to silence the voices of people who do not accept homosexuality as a socially acceptable lifestyle with your BS, you have proved you are as intolerant of dissent as they are of evolutionarily counter-intuitive lifestyles

    here's the kicker, this is not a civil rights issue, you want to be equal, yet at the same time you want special treatment, so make up your minds.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:14 pm | Reply
  548. Sue

    Yes to marriage equality. Civil rights should never be subject to a popular vote. Where would we be if "Brown v Board of Education" or "Loving v. Virginia" had been put up to a vote?

    And to those who are citing the bible as an excuse to discriminate against same sex couples, you must be quoting the same bible the confederacy quoted to justify slavery.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:14 pm | Reply
  549. one of the 18000

    @ Ken and anyone who thinks the "voted" my rights away, YOU CAN"T vote away a right. That's why they are called rights! There have been times in America's history when the rights declared in the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution were not granted to all (like when only white male landowners could vote). But that right was contrary to the Constitution and once the judicial branch (that 3rd AND equal) branch of our governments addresses such right, you or no one else can take it away from my with your vote! You'd need to change to constitution to read "All me – except gays, blacks, Mexicans, men with mullets, women who wear stone-washed jeans- are created equality. But until something like that happens....you cannot infringe on my rights nor will I infringe on yours.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:14 pm | Reply
  550. Edgar Friendly

    "Not EVERYTHING is a civil right! There is no provision in the Constitution to allow Gay Marriage."

    You could say the exact same thing about the Civil Rights Movement and every other fight for equality throughout history. If the majority was for it to begin with, there wouldn't be a struggle.

    Because I can't help it: Duh.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:15 pm | Reply
  551. Sean

    Also, to the people who dismiss homosexuality all together on the basis of it not supporting procreation: would you invalidate a marriage of a heterosexual couple who was anatomically unable to reproduce?

    August 12, 2010 at 9:15 pm | Reply
  552. Anna

    I DON'T CARE. Stop bothering America with this b.s. The separation of church and state is in the constitution. Marriage was created, established and organized by the church. The government came alone and decided it, the church records were a great resource. Thus, the government stuck it's nose into religion where it is obvious it doesn't belong.

    Gays already can take a vow that gives them the same rights as married people, it is callled a legal contract such as "power of attorney."

    I love gays. Some of my best friends have been gay. I wish them only the best. They deserve equality but not to invade the divinity and sanity of a religious ritual. Get Real!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:15 pm | Reply
  553. Dustin

    I do not know how people think they can win an argument by bashing gays. In fact it turns me off to thier argument altogether. Gays deserve equal rights.

    Still confused on how the belittling comments on here help change people's minds...

    August 12, 2010 at 9:16 pm | Reply
  554. max

    11c Infantry , Your right and its time it was stated clearly for all these people who have lost there way

    August 12, 2010 at 9:16 pm | Reply
  555. Ann

    Has anyone considered that today we are discriminating against gay and lesbian individuals in the same capacity African-American individuals were discriminated against during the civil rights movement of the 1960s?

    During the 1960's civil rights movement, society separated African Americans from mainstream society; treating these indivduals as 'second class' citizens. In example, during the 1960's civil rights movement African Americans spoke up to gain the right to vote, the right to receive the same education and the same healthcare as the larger majority of society.

    Today, we are experiencing a similar civil rights movement. Gay and Lesbian individuals are speaking out today against being treated as 'second class' citizens just as African American citizens did during the 1960's civil rights movment. Gay and Lesbian citizens in committed relationships are coming forward to secure the same rights as married heterosexual couples receive under our law. This includes the ability to file a joint tax return and to be the designated individual able to make health care choices in the event the spouse is incapacitated. Gay and Lesbians in committed relationships are currently denied these rights under our law because they are not allowed to marry.

    As a citizen, one does not have to understand why another citizen would choose a lesbian or gay relationship over a heterosexual relationship. But it is our duty to show fairnees to all citizens of this country regardless of race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. All American citizens in committed relationships (including gay/lesbian relationships) deserve the same rights and freedoms under our law.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:16 pm | Reply
  556. combatiente17

    Murder is NOT illegal because of the fifth commandment. It is so because everyone has a right to life.

    Stealing is NOT illegal because of the seventh commandment. It's illegal because of everyone's right to private property.

    It's clear that the constitution is NOT based on the Bible or any other religious belief. Therefore, any argument made from a religious or moral standpoint is invalid and doesn't deserve a serious legal consideration.

    ALSO... Why the heck do you people think the constitution doesn't allow the election of the president based on a popular majority? Quick answer: the founding fathers wanted to avoid "mob rule". The very own founding fathers did NOT believe that the majority's opinion was always the best or the correct one.

    Equality for all and best wishes to even the worst of haters (and not so hating but equally ignorant) among us!!!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:16 pm | Reply
  557. Sharon CL

    @ Erica – In South Africa, churches are not forced to marry same sex couples – in fact most don't . Thankfully there are inclusive and affirming denominations like Metropolitan Community Churches worldwide, who recognise that God does not discriminate.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:16 pm | Reply
  558. Jman

    I just don't understand how this is a big deal on either side of the debate...its a polarizer that is just making the rift between liberal moral relativism and conservative moral hypocracy that much bigger...who cares?

    August 12, 2010 at 9:16 pm | Reply
  559. Tom NJ USA

    Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's..... Follow your own Bible my fellow Christians. The United States has a Constitution that protects all, and that is what is the Courts' responsibility. The founding fathers worried about the "Tryanny of the Majority" and about protecting the individuals rights. They also said that government may not favor one religion over another. There are many religions, faiths, that do not support gay marriage, there are many that do. If the courts were to follow that edict and just rule that marriage is for Hetro's based on moral issues or faith or religion, then that favors particular religious groups. We are a secular country based on laws. Not one groups interpretation of "Gods" Law.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:17 pm | Reply
  560. blf83

    This is beyond amazing to me. Those who insist upon "traditional marriage," the early biblical norm was polygamy. There were homosexual relationships in the Bible and they were not condemned, but honored. Why is it that of the 613 commandments of the law that Moses received, most, except Jews who keep kosher or are Orthodox honor more than 10 or 11 of the commandments. Also, you need to go back to the original Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, and Latin texts to more fully understand the actual meanings. Politics within the early church, with translations into the vernacular, and some of the truly apostate translations some of the fundamentalists use skew, even revers the meanings of the original texts. Until, and unless, you are willing (and able) to investigate with an open mind and accept the best understandings we humans can achieve, you don't know squat.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:17 pm | Reply
  561. Jess

    Marriage is a religious institution and therefore has no place in our laws. There should be heterosexual and homosexual civil unions granted through the government with no difference in the coverage under the law. Marriages should be obtained through churches and churches that wish to provide homosexual marriage can do so. This removes the main problem that most people have with gay marriage. If you are someone who is strict about your religion, marriage is a joining of a man and a woman and gay marriage is not allowed. Fine. But the government should provide fair treatment to any set of people who wish to enter a civil union. Its not hard guys.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:18 pm | Reply
  562. Erica

    Sharon – The problem in America is that they WILL force churches to marry against their convictions.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:18 pm | Reply
  563. Jonathan

    I look at it this way: I don't think that religious organizations should have to perform same sex marriage because they are religious institutions. However, when talking about marriage as a civil institution (the only kind that the government and constitution have any real control over) I say why the heck not. Take a look at the divorce rate. We hetero folks aren't doing so well at it our selves. Could the same sex people really do any worse than we are (I am married and still in my first marriage by the way). As far as those who are worried that same sex couples will curb the population I say this: We are over populated to begin with and they would not have had kids anyway. If you boil it down, we are deciding if these folks should be allowed to be in a certain tax bracket or not and if they should be allowed to make medical decisions if one or the other should become unable to do so. I sure don't see why not.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:18 pm | Reply
  564. L.

    To bad that all of these people who say they know the bible, have never read it or tried to understand it . Just listen to some person who thinks that they are speaking the truth. If any of you would take the time to look at the most wonderful book ever in print,You would find that there is nothing about a gay life style being wrong. There are several really great gay love stories in the bible, Jesus healed the soldiers gay lover, And passages from Ruth and Naomi is used in most all weddings. Davis and Jonathan were life time lovers ,until some homophobic Preachers decided to start messing with the King James bible and started changing everything to suit them selves. God has warned the churches about his feelings toward gay people. And He says that they will have to face him in the end.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:18 pm | Reply
  565. Edgar Friendly

    "I fail to see the problem. Gay marriage to me is defined as a gay man married to a gay woman."

    I just think it's funny that you'd be okay with that. Marrying two people who, by definition, can't have a healthy marriage is fine for you, but god forbid it be two people who love each other who weren't born with the right plumbing.

    Honestly, it just shows how messed up your point of view is. It does absolutely nothing to advance your position. So thanks for making my argument for me. Try making yours next time.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:19 pm | Reply
  566. DCist

    MARK 12:18-27
    If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.

    How come we don't enforce it???

    August 12, 2010 at 9:19 pm | Reply
  567. Juneygabriel

    @Max: Thank you!

    "and no: I don't want any taxes I am forced to pay being for the benefit of their way of life"

    And everyone else, who wants to make it sound like people who are against gay rights hate you, I don't hate you, just your sin-and I hate my sin too, I just don't happen to be committing the sin of homosexuality. And to the people who are trying to quote the Old Testament laws and say we should sell our daughters into slavery and not eat shellfish, Jesus came to earth and died so that not being able to follow the law would not land you in Hell. No people are capable of obeying all the laws in the Old Testament, the point is to show that man needs God, and without God we are nothing. The laws of the Old Testament became obsolete with the new testament of Jesus' blood. I will pray for the many, many people on this board who maybe have not accepted that almighty God is the ruler of the Universe, and that we all need Him and are going to hell without Him, no joke. We also need to follow His laws, one of which is that homosexuality is a sin. God is real folks, make no mistake.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:19 pm | Reply
  568. Wessley Anderson

    I'm referecing studies done by the CDC...a government organization. They are open to view on their website. My question is this…if gay men are 44 times more likely to get HIV, and at 4 percent of the male population make up half the HIV infected in the country, how can you not see the concept of gay marriage harming society?

    While marriage does encourage monogamy, the promotion of gay marriage tells everybody that homosexuality won't harm society as a whole.....that's where the statistics come in. According to the CDC, with factual numbers, this message appears to be false. So, in essence, were telling everybody that gay behavior is A-OK, while it is, in fact, harming society

    August 12, 2010 at 9:20 pm | Reply
  569. noberlander

    Three points I have not heard mentioned yet:

    (1.) Marriage is a fundamental right and is afforded to ALL persons equally (justice is blind). America is also the land of the free. This does NOT however mean that there is a fundamental right to gay marriage IF the following are true. (1.) if "gay marriage" is not found to be in the definition of marriage then there is no fundamental right to gay marriage. (2.) Not all discrimination is unconstitutional (for example age, socioeconomic status, etc.) - if due process is given, limitations to that right can be instituted - basically the old maxim "no right is absolute."

    (2.) Anyone in America has the right to marry someone of the opposite gender - regardless of one's orientation. A gay man has the same right to marry a women that a straight man has (and the same for a lesbian woman and straight woman). SCOTUS has never found orientation to be a Constitutionally protected class when talking about discrimination - only race and gender are a protected class. Furthermore, DOMA is a Federal Law on the books that gives reason to not consider sexual orientation when determining what is and isn't unconstitutionally discriminatory.

    (3.) The Fundamental Right to Marriage has limitations on WHO you can marry. States have banned father/child, sister/brother, and even in some States cousin/cousin marriages. Constraints have been set by what the Supreme Court calls "societal mores" (moral values) which are decided via the democratic process. Gay marriage is viewed as immoral by the democratic process Federally and in California.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:21 pm | Reply
  570. combatiente17

    Erica– the separation of church and state guarantees that, as much as churches are trying to control government, the government isn't going to intervene in any church's private ceremonies or policies...

    August 12, 2010 at 9:21 pm | Reply
  571. Lawrence. Nigeria

    This whole thing about gay right, calls for more questions than answers. if I may ask will any of the man be considered for maternity leave, do I hear somebody say paternity leave after "childbirth". The gay couple wants to adopt children of normal couples what an irony. He forgot that he is a product of a normal union, when he defends himself by saying he is comfortable with his status, he still has to quarrel with his spouse over the shaving stick and whose turn next to be the wife. This is a banality to human existence.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:22 pm | Reply
  572. DCist

    To Juneygabriel:

    There's no mentioning of the homosexuality in the New Testament. But I do agree with you the Old Testament should be obsolete...

    August 12, 2010 at 9:22 pm | Reply
  573. please

    Please dont use the BLACK struggle for the GAY argument it is offensive and belittling...just be together I dont care but dont be kissing and gropping in the park IN FRONT OF MY KIDS...I say no to marriage create another name for it,

    August 12, 2010 at 9:23 pm | Reply
  574. lojax

    To John D. Public – No I did not mean to insinuate that you were gay. Interesting reaction though :). In your earlier post you dismissed another poster's comment by saying it was based on faith rather than objective reality. I was trying to make the point that no position is devoid of subjectivity, even yours. The Bible, if you take out the inspiration Christians attribute to it, still stands as a reliable guide of moral teaching. And as you yourself admit, it has served as the historical foundation for our nation's corporate morality. I would suggest we would not have the judicial system we have or even be having this conversation apart from the freedoms granted by the
    Christian beliefs of Americans' who rebelled against moral compromise (perceived tyranny by England) in the first place. They are simply rebelling against it again as they oppose Gay marriage.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:24 pm | Reply
  575. Tukuma

    Homosexuality is, in fact, a product of nature. Homosexuality is a legitimate expression of nature. Some of the comments seem to base beliefs and arguments on religion. Religion is not a good basis for an argument. We live in a rational, scientific society, which, while respecting the religious beliefs of individuals and communities, cannot and should use those beliefs to decide basic human rights. This is further proof of the necessity of divorcing religion from the state. Homosexual person owes their existence to a Heterosexual mom and dad. Heterosexuality may beget homosexuality but homosexuality begets futiltiy as far as the human race goes. Homosexuality is a deviation from normal human functioning. Therefore Gay marriage would institutionalize a pattern of relating that goes against human nature itself.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:24 pm | Reply
  576. Chris

    A lot of the troubles in our country, and world, are due to people's lack of self-discipline. There exists the thought if it feels good, or makes me happy, then I should do it. No thought is given to whether it's right or wrong. Should I eat another Big Mac and super sized fry, throw back a few more drinks before I drive home, flip-off the guy who just cut me off, stay up for another 12 hours playing WoW... why not. It will make me feel better. We all know what's right and what's wrong. I happen to feel gay marriage is wrong. Wrong in the sense that men were not created to have sex with men and women were not made to have sex with women. I feel the same way about men or women who like to have sex with kids or animals or with themselves. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean you have to act upon those feelings. Show some discipline. You will likely go through your whole life with these feelings but more power to you if you can do so without acting upon them. I'm sure this will be unpopular with many but that's my 2 cents worth.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:24 pm | Reply
  577. Morgan

    And, while we're speaking of it..."homosexuals are not productive." True. Thank goodness because there are a lot of heterosexuals out there producing children by accident and not wanting them, even resenting them their whole lives. How many young heteros are having children before they reach the age of 18? How many single moms are out there because they chose to have unprotected sex and half the time don't even know who the father is? Have you ever watched an episode of Maury?? If that's what your definition of appropriate reproduction is, I don't want any part of it! When gays have children, it's because they want to. They want those kids and they want to love them and can take care of them. Think about that when you're spreading hate!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:25 pm | Reply
  578. lineman

    Untill medical science can tell us why some people are gay but most are not then we all have to get along. It really is not that hard to accept another person, especially since most people don't really care and don't get into this issue either way. Remember, If you are a Christion and you don't agree with what your denomination says about gays you can always change to another that is more compatable. If your denominaton does not like gays based on the bible then know that other religious leaders read it and don't find that message there. Straight people may find that what gays do with each other seems a little strange but there are some things that go on betwwen consenting heterosexual adults that are a little strange also.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:25 pm | Reply
  579. Jesswe

    NOT coming from a religious standpoint I think homosexuality is unnatural and a deviation from the natural, biological ways that nature itself dictates animals should procreate. I don't believe in "gay animals" because animals do what they are naturally programmed to do, breed with each other. On the other hand, humans are a bit more complicated that they can deviate at some point in their lives due to various reasons.

    BUT, I don't think homosexuals human rights should be taken away, furthermore, it's none of my business who wants to do what in their private lives as long as it does not cause harm to anyone else. If they want to marry, great!

    I also believe that homosexual men for instance are at times more men for actually having the bravery of coming out and declaring their homosexuality compared to heterosexual males who are insecure, homophobic and may be covering up some other issues that make up their lack of "manliness", like gaudy cars, fancy clothing, talking tough, over-machismo, etc.

    As for parenting and paternal role models, I'll say that again, naturally, and almost ethically, and important in a child's development is to have BOTH male and female parents as part of the growing up.

    It's essential to proper raising of a balanced, good human being. NOT saying that two same sex parents would create a bad person, no, what I am saying is that if you have two SAME SEX parents, its like having TWO single mothers or TWO single fathers raising a child.

    Granted, most in the homosexual community are very affluent and their culture based on a bit more sophistication and smarts, therefore, same sex parents can provide a educational, open-minded raising in children. But I think their could be some thing a bit off in the child as they go through life with two same sex parents.

    Which brings me to my last few point as to why I think the gay community is so determined to be "married". Why would they want to practice something that is normal practice for religious people? Sure you can get civil marriages and I'm sure there's many a married athiest, but why the urge to practice something that the same people who persecute you...do?

    Could it be an act of rebellion so to speak against the religious sector of society? Or is it based on something else?

    We all know that joint-tax returns are a bit more rewarding... could it be that 'marrying' also include that added benefit that homosexual couples feel left out of – tax breaks?

    ^Deanna Wilson's post above pretty much spills it. Then it really then is about avoiding paying more federal taxes. Something I've had suspicion about since this controversy started. Interesting.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:26 pm | Reply
  580. Ken in Maryland

    Marriage is a right. Voters do not have the authority to decide whether one group gets to enjoy that right or not. Prop 8 is unconstitutional.

    Marriage is also a legal standing, not a religious one. Separation of Church and State? Yes. No church is "forced" to accept any marriage. If a church chooses not to recognize gay marriages, they don't have to. But this is part of the reason why church populations are declining and more and more people are declaring themselves "Not religious".

    Oh, and let's not forget that old document called The Declaration of Independence that states that "all men are created equal". You can't apply some rights to some people and not to others.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:27 pm | Reply
  581. max

    Tukuma ....Homosexuality is, in fact, a product of nature

    what you ment to say is Homosexuality is, in fact, a product of fallen nature

    August 12, 2010 at 9:27 pm | Reply
  582. Anna

    All of you guys have a point. However, black is a skin color and not a sexual preference. We do have black homosexuals and liesbians you know.

    This is not a civil right issue. Gays can have a legal "power of attorney" drawn up that gives their partner the same rights as a married couple." My husband did it for me when we were in the military.

    All gays have to do is deny their sexual preferences. Blacks cannnot do that. So, it is not a valid argument to compare being gay to being black.

    STOP THE HATE. GAYS ARE PEOPLE FIRST AND GAY SECOND. THEY DESERVE TO BE RESPECTED AND HAVE THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS PROTECTED. But getting married is a church ritual for m/f. I love gays. My best friends have been gay.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:27 pm | Reply
  583. Grant

    As far as the government is concerned, marriage is a contract between two consenting adult that gives them privileges (joint tax return, property rights, among hundreds of others). Gays are only seeking the same equal rights that are granted to their heterosexual counterparts.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:28 pm | Reply
  584. Kim

    This is not a religious issue, but a legal one. I appreciate freedom of religion. Now how about freedom from religion. I personally believe that we should protect the children of this country and that includes the gay children.
    The suicide rate among gay teens is 3 times higher than among straight kids of the same age group.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:28 pm | Reply
  585. Tukuma

    Apologies. My last comment seems to have been blended with someone elses.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:29 pm | Reply
  586. Wessley Anderson

    I'm referencing studies done by the CDC...a government organization. They are open to view on their website. My question is this…if gay men are 44 times more likely to get HIV, and at 4 percent of the male population make up half the HIV infected in the country, how can you not see the concept of gay marriage harming society?

    While marriage does encourage monogamy, the promotion of gay marriage tells everybody that homosexuality won't harm society as a whole.....that's where the statistics come in. According to the CDC, with factual numbers, this message appears to be false. So, in essence, were telling everybody that gay behavior is A-OK, while it is, in fact, harming society

    August 12, 2010 at 9:29 pm | Reply
  587. John MacIsaac

    Religion is a CHOICE, sexual orientation is NOT! What are heterosexuals so afraid of? I mean, how proud the heterosexual community must be with an over 50% failure rate when it comes to marriage. You really set a fine example. HYPOCRITES (a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion). As for children, we have the ability to raise children as well if not better that heterosexual couples (proven fact). If you want to talk about the damage to children it is much more damaging to have a parent leave the home after they have come out then it is for children to grow up in a 2 daddy or 2 mommy household. It is a proven fact that child abuse is a heterosexual problem NOT a homosexual problem. I am so blessed to live in Canada (U.S. ex-Pat) where all man & women really are equal we don't just pay lip service to a false value the U.S. thinks it offers it's citizens. This is not Animal Farm where all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. This is a basic human right. If a religious group wants to get involved in social policy and law then either give up your tax free status or SHUT UP! I would suggest that these religions or as they should be called, cults, clean up your own home before you dirty your feet at my front door. Face the facts my friends, we (the gay community) will win this battle. We have dealt with bigots before and we will in the future but we are stronger and more resilient. PRIDE!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:31 pm | Reply
  588. Juneygabriel

    DCist, please read 1 Corinthians where it condemns sodomy. Homosexuality is sin, Old & New Testament alike.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:32 pm | Reply
  589. Bridget

    I am a lesbian woman and oneday, I would love to be able to marry my partner. Honestly, I don't care what you call it (marriage, civil union), I just want to be treated equally. The meaning of marriage has already been destroyed by heterosexual couples. Like those who have "open" marriages (why even get married?) Hetero couples who are swingers and let's not forget about couples who marry time and time again just because "it sounds nice." So many talk about the bible being against homosexuals, but is Love....no TRUE LOVE not a gift from God. I've found true love and I want to be able, oneday, to call her my wife legally.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:32 pm | Reply
  590. Todd

    Maybe we'll all evolve into homosexuals one day and that would be the end of all human life as we know it.... Then the Monkeys will finally get their shot.... again...since they never really finished evolving into man. But most monkeys are hetereosexual so its a neverending cycle... i guess?

    August 12, 2010 at 9:32 pm | Reply
  591. Edgar Friendly

    I think it's great that a lot of you are trotting out the evolution argument, especially since I suspect quite a few of you don't even believe in it. Don't worry, I'm here to help.

    So it's true that gay people can't reproduce biologically. It's also true that, in animal societies, generally only the most successful individuals get to do all the mating. Since I'm SURE, just by the law of averages, that most of you are middle class and thus not amongst the "most successful individuals", if you're going to follow this line of logic, you should all stop reproducing as well.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:34 pm | Reply
  592. Ryan

    @charles

    "If you believe marriage is recognized by god, it should not matter if it is legally recognized by the state or not. Those who want the recognition of "marriage" and legal rights afforded to married couples will also win since both same-sex and opposite-sex couples will receive the same recognition and rights under the law."

    Quoted for truth, words of a wise and rational man.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:34 pm | Reply
  593. Kt

    Funny that the law was looked on by the ten commendments. Maybe we do away with the law and let chaos happen since the Bible is not important.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:36 pm | Reply
  594. Britany

    I would really like to see a non-religious, non-hateful reason against gay marriage. But guess what? I never will, because it doesn't exist. I believe that the whole gay marriage argument is very similar to the abortion argument in that the religious right is trying to control personal decisions made by free-acting adults.

    If you really want to preserve the sanctity of marriage, quit getting divorced!

    PS Homosexuals do not contract HIV/AIDS more than heterosexuals. It is not a disease that spreads from a parent/guardian to a child. It does not require threesomes and pornography. And whoever came up with the idea that it is synonamous with pedophilia, give me a break! You are being hateful and ridiculous.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:36 pm | Reply
  595. N.J. Hourquebie

    @Erica... Being South African, I am no expert in US Laws and it's constitution so correct me if I'm wrong but does to First Amendment not prohibit forcing a religious group to do something against their doctrines?

    August 12, 2010 at 9:37 pm | Reply
  596. ryan

    while i do want to get married and my partner doesnt, i think it is important to have the option. marriage doesnt need to fall under "christian" principles. and to be honest, i think CNN has done a great job at keeping all views legit, compared to most media circuses. i do strongly believe that its a very important step in the right direction, because love is love. in the same sense that a man and a woman feel towards each other, same-sex couples have the same emotions and feelings. to say that we are not normal is complete and utter discrimination, especially coming from the legal system. in some sense, marriage has lost what people along time ago once thought it as. i dont think same-sex couples are going to make it any more meaningful, however, i think the legitamacy of marriage for the legal system to recognize same-sex marriages and give them the same rights and benefits is absolutely pertinent. i dont think children brought up in either household are better than the other. that brews hatred. and if marriages dont work out in same-sex marriages, doesnt that make us "normal" to the rest of society?

    August 12, 2010 at 9:37 pm | Reply
  597. Fred

    Be careful in your assumptions–homosexuality is not pedophilia, which is pursued by many heterosexually married men.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:39 pm | Reply
  598. Joe

    Max- Soddom and Gomorah wasn't about homosexuality you twit. It was a story of hospitality and cruelty, which you would know if you actually studied the bible, I said studied not read.. The context of the bible isn't something you can just read and understand, there is a reason people have to go to seminary school or spend years studying theology, because you have to understand what was happening during the time these stories are written. Soddom and Gomorah was about a wealthy city that changed its laws of hospitality through fear of people wanting to come and stay or steal from them so they banned inviting travelers into the homes of the city. The angels that were sent were offered hospitality as was the tradition before the law. Yes the guards/arm of the city said "send out these men so we can have sex with them" Because during the this time in history and throughout the crusades it was common for soldiers to rape the fallen on the battlefied as a further for of degregation. God smiting the city had nothing to do with homosexuality it had everything to do with hospitality and how we should treat others... Think about that as you continue to spew your hatred and bias. Think about how hospitable you have been to the homosexuals and then be afraid that you sir will reap the same torment and the citizens of Sodom

    August 12, 2010 at 9:39 pm | Reply
  599. Ronnie

    Do you HATE, JUDGE, ATTACK, DISCRIMINATE, IMPOSE, INTRUDE, HURT, DISOWN, DESPISE..etc..? It's such an easy thing for people do! Those who rapidly use "GOD"-'s name so recklessly and claim "GOD"-'s words so VICIOUSLY?!!? should re-evaluate their humanity instead, because we are not GOD and the traits above if you posses them just isn't "GOD"-ly at all....

    August 12, 2010 at 9:40 pm | Reply
  600. Wacker

    I love porn, and i'm not trying to marry anyone.

    Leave me out of this.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:41 pm | Reply
  601. Anna

    to: "August 12th, 2010 9:22 pm ET

    To Juneygabriel:

    There's no mentioning of the homosexuality in the New Testament. But I do agree with you the Old Testament should be obsolete..."

    FROM: ANNA

    Read your new testament. It does refer to homosexuality when it states that in the last days .......men would be giving themselves to men, etc. and that Jesus would come and send them to hell and that they would suffer eternally in the lake of fire.

    As far as I am concerned, a sin is a sin and we all going to hell unless we repent, renounce our evil ways and serve God.

    What that got to do with equal rights for homosexuals? To exercise their (gays) equal rights, they need to have a "power of attorney," drawn up with all the rights marriage affords "straights," because the church is sacred.

    The church' marriage ritual has from the beginning between m/f. The government can do whatever it wants. But the constitution gives us the separation of church and state. Therefore, no government body can legalize marriage between same sex. It is unconstitutional.

    This argument only comes up when the republicans want to cause democrats votes. Check this judge out. He is probably a homosexual republican.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:42 pm | Reply
  602. kingsley oghonyon

    from the comments religion keep proping up its not a religious thing,like terms repel is a scientific rule or law so to say.its a moral issue,being gay or lesbian is sickening,this fact is not far fetched when you see a man trying to behave like a woman,their contenance n the way they wriggle their body tends towards imbecility.serious

    August 12, 2010 at 9:43 pm | Reply
  603. Michael

    Experiencing so many divorces and separations in Europe, I wonder whether the institution of marriage is still such a good thing altogether. In this context, I find that the differences between "man+women=marriage"-campaigners and the same-sex-marriage-campaigners are not that huge. Both imagine "unbreakable" and eternal unions between people. So, both are conservative. It is better to do away the institution of marriage as a basic feature of society. I understand, however, that many find this institution important in their lives. They (he/she) shall marry whoever they (he/she) want to marry. I wish them good luck!

    August 12, 2010 at 9:45 pm | Reply
  604. Jeff

    @Zip

    We've been through this already. Weren't you paying attention in history class? Separate is NOT equal. You think you're relationship is "Special"? Wow you seriously think you're superior to me?

    I suppose you think African Americans should ride in the back of the bus, use separate drinking fountains, and go to separate schools?

    August 12, 2010 at 9:46 pm | Reply
  605. Scott

    Well all the freaks are out and so not with this judge. Gay marriage does exist and it will. It is happening, there are churches in this country that are gay friendly and we are there. I had a civil union with my partner 14 years ago and we are still together. However i just don't see it happening in my life. ( that is a law passing for gay marriage)Since the 70's it has been an issue. the people who are freaking out about this is just scared that we may have the same rights as they do. Good for the judge. Now the GOD people will spew what they always do and i have faith in god that he will be there for the gays of this country. We do make up a part of this country and there is some straight people who are in the closet because of what this country says. So come out and be proud. If you find someone you love of the same sex you will see what we are fighting for. People, i wish you could live one day of my life in my shoes and see. I didn't choose this life however it is what i was given and i did make the best of it so far. So for today i am happy for the people of California. Hopefully it will happen in New York. God bless the gays of AMERICA.

    August 12, 2010 at 9:48 pm | Reply
  606. Roberto

    @ Tukuma – Homosexuality is widely spread in nature, including human beings. If it was 'against nature' the law of evolution would have stop it a long long time ago. If LGBT are still around is because they are perfectly natural. Therefore to give same-sex couples equal rights is just the right thing to do, according to justice. And nature. 🙂

    August 12, 2010 at 9:49 pm | Reply
  607. Edgar Friendly

    "The context of the bible isn't something you can just read and understand, there is a reason people have to go to seminary school or spend years studying theology"

    That's funny, because half the arguments against gay marriage take the form of Bible verses. If metaphor and context is so important to understanding the Bible, then why do Christians have absolutely zero issue using its literal text to try to make morality decisions for society as a whole?

    This is why you can't argue with religious people. Half of you are whack-jobs who say you literally believe what's in the Bible, and half of you are whack-jobs who say you realize that you can't take the thing literally but still pretty much do. Both groups contradict each other constantly, so you can't argue against the whole without one side saying "Oh, you've got it all wrong!"

    August 12, 2010 at 9:52 pm | Reply
  608. StopHedonizingTheCountry

    August 12th, 2010 9:20 pm ET

    I'm referecing studies done by the CDC...a government organization. They are open to view on their website. My question is this…if gay men are 44 times more likely to get HIV, and at 4 percent of the male population make up half the HIV infected in the country, how can you not see the concept of gay marriage harming society?

    While marriage does encourage monogamy, the promotion of gay marriage tells everybody that homosexuality won't harm society as a whole.....that's where the statistics come in. According to the CDC, with factual numbers, this message appears to be false. So, in essence, were telling everybody that gay behavior is A-OK, while it is, in fact, harming society

    August 12, 2010 at 9:59 pm | Reply
  609. ScottK

    Its too bad that there seem to be far more ignorant homophobes in America than gay people. I would love to have some real discussions and debates with intelligent informed people instead of the same old "Well, the bible says..." non-sense.

    It would be like trying to discuss cancer treatment/surgery with other doctors who keep bringing up objections based on the Ebers Papyrus that was written 3500 years ago. "Well the Ebers Papyrus says that recounting a "tumor against the god Xenus", it recommends "do thou nothing there against".

    August 12, 2010 at 10:01 pm | Reply
  610. Abatta Emma

    I think that we are giving this gay or same sex marriage enough publicity and that it the reason it is spreading like a wide fire. In this process, many children hear about it, develop interest and finally want to explore it. If we ignore them and refuse to show case them on our media outfit, it will be a thing of the past.
    It seems like we have highly placed citizens who are supporting this immoral demand from this mentally deficient population. One question I want those clamoring for same sex marriage to answer is "Would they have been in existence if their parents did same thing they are demanding?"
    There something wrong about every gay and it is time the scientists went into research to find out this abnormality.
    God Almighty has ordained the marriage as a contract between a man and a woman, Anything contrary to this is sin and demonic and should be rebuked.
    America is a land blessed by God and should not provoke the wrath of God in the name of freedom for all. Whatever that is considered a sin is criminal and offenders should be made to face some level of punishment irrespective of their social background.

    August 12, 2010 at 10:02 pm | Reply
  611. David

    I think the article missed a big point. Some of California's local governments allowed gay marriages first. California's voters amended the constitution of California to forbid this practice

    Democracy in it's purest form be it right or wrong.

    One judge decided that there was no reasonable reason to not allow gay marriage. This appointed Federal judge who's job it is to interpret the laws not create them decided that this by himself.

    So if the California voters are denying a right why did he not order all states to allow it?

    If California voters passed a foolish amendment, is it his place to rectify this?

    Social change is not the purview of the court. We the voters need to elect officials who can do the right thing. Congress needs to impeach judge Walker.

    Democracy is at stake.

    August 12, 2010 at 10:15 pm | Reply
  612. John D Public

    To Lojax :

    You then are suggesting what ? That Gay marriage in some way promotes the degradation of morality?

    If so what do you base that assumption on , that they are some how immoral? How is that based on secular objectivity?

    August 12, 2010 at 10:17 pm | Reply
  613. lance corporal

    1) several people have mentioned that the US was founded on christian values by the founders
    a) that is assumptive, it is never stated in the constitution or anywhere that that is the case tho it is true the founders where rooted in what is usually called judeo-christian values in a GENERAL sense but many of the founders where deist or otherwise not literal christians and would not have much in common with the stripe of christian that is up in arms over gay people today, people claiming the founding fathers for there cause are 1) creating a fantasy and b) not up on their history
    b) they did however very specifically create the country as a pluralistic system and again very specifically define a separation between church and state, this is simply inescapable and negates any claim that the US should specifically follow the dictates of ANY religion even if the majority subscribes to it
    c) the founders very specifically wanted to protect the rights of the individual over the desire for a homogeneous society, they understood the tyranny of the majority (or a very vocal minority) and felt that above all an individual rights should not be restricted
    d) the US is founded in the notion of change and the founders clearly stated they could not imagine what all those changes would be and that it was just fine with them, let the country grow (as in toward universal civil rights)

    August 12, 2010 at 10:19 pm | Reply
  614. Jake Anton

    I have not yet known anyone who says "Let people of the same sex marry each other. What does it matter?" to have really thought the matter of same-sex marriage through. Sure, if I don't think about it I might say the same thing. But it's not that simple.

    The foundation of a human society is rooted and based upon a family. A society cannot exist without families. A family is created only through a heterosexual union – sperm from a male and an egg from a female. Naturally then, the foundation of a family is a marriage between a man and a woman. This is a huge reason why marriage is so important to any society. Marriage is a responsibility more than a right. You cannot trifle with marriage without affecting society as a whole.

    Same-sex marriage is not a civil rights issue. A gay man has every "right" to marry a woman just as any woman has the "right" to marry a gay man. A lesbian woman has the "right" to marry a man just as any man has the "right" to marry a lesbian woman. A gay man even has the "right" to marry a lesbian woman. All of these scenarios have equality to a straight man having the "right" to marry a straight woman. A straight man also equally does not have the right to marry another man, just as a gay man does not. There is no inequality on these "rights".

    What we are talking about here is defining marriage, not civil rights. Redefining marriage does have societal implications as well as legal ones. Businesses and religions who are based in services for only opposite-sex marriages will become at risk. This has been seen with pastors being arrested in countries that sanction same-sex marriage, as well as adoption agencies being forced to shut down because they would not grant adoptions to same-sex married couples – this in the USA (as a side, why wasn't the ACLU defending those adoption agencies?).

    So, those who so vehemently slam those who are against same-sex marriage, why don't you look outside yourself and think about the whole issue? Don't be a lemming. Think it through. If after you have thought it through you can come up with reasonable arguments that address the reasonable arguments from the other side, then share them.

    My experience, though, is that those who think of life in terms of "rights" will never understand those who think of life in terms of responsibilities. Two totally different perspectives.

    August 12, 2010 at 10:26 pm | Reply
  615. lance corporal

    2) god and love
    ya know I was born and baptized christian but as christianity became meaner it started to make no sense to me so I studied the other religions of the world and came to the conclusion I would have to find god on my own (and eat a lot of peaches...) and I have come to one very firm conclusion – that which doesn't come from love doesn't come from god.
    god is not about rules, god is not a game show host and if you play correctly you get what's behind door number 3, god is not exclusive, god is inclusive, if you are doing something in the name of god that causes harm to another (and denying gay people in long term relationships legal rights does indeed harm them) then you are really not doing the work of god.
    denying people options and rights due to how they have s e x or who they choose to love is harmful – you cannot do harm and be doing gods work, you can point to any passage in any book, bible etc doesn't matter, as tom jefferson said reading the bible is like looking for diamonds in a dung hill (you have to dig thru a lot of sh-t) the bible was written, codified, modified, interpreted and given to you by man NOT gods hand you should treat it as such, find god in your heart!

    August 12, 2010 at 10:29 pm | Reply
  616. ScottK

    @ Anna:

    According to Luke, Jesus went to hell/sheol so does that make your diety a sinner as well? He hung out with tax collectors and prostitutes, he chastised the rich and supposedly rightous, he whipped those making profits off of religion and those using the old testament for their own selfish purposes. If the bible turns out someday to be true, it will be all you false witnesses who will be punished, not those trying to live with love, kindness and understanding for your fellowman.

    August 12, 2010 at 10:32 pm | Reply
  617. lance corporal

    3) universal civil rights
    we will never be able to progress as a society until basic freedoms exist for all, as a US citizen I want to see it here but indeed wish for it throughout the world, race, ethnicity, GENDER, se xuality, faith (or not) needs to no longer be accepted as anything but interesting and any semblance of bias in our laws must be removed and quickly

    this IS an eventuality lets get it done

    August 12, 2010 at 10:33 pm | Reply
  618. "Chi-Town"

    I "know of" hypocrites who's been divorced multiple times, but yet decide to claim themselves as advocates for moral values... uhm... ME NOT A FAN of false advertisements, get over yourselves.... Leave the gays alone!!!

    August 12, 2010 at 10:37 pm | Reply
  619. DaLe

    The reason why 'marriage' had a special status through the ages was not really about ensuring 'personal rights', but to ensure that the family, as basic building block of the state, was protected and that children were raised within this protected enviroment.
    Somewhere along the way many people forgot though that marriage comes with a promise those who marry make each other, and it seems that many people don't realize that marriage was supposed to be about something greater than just about the 'happiness' and material security of those who married.
    Surely nothing wrong with civil-unions (/contracted relationships), for both straight and gay, in any case.

    One thing I don't understand though is why some 'gays' define themselves based on their sexuality, and not based on the fact that their are Citizens of the State they expect to have their 'rights' protected by. In other words, stop being so genital-centered. 😛

    August 12, 2010 at 10:41 pm | Reply
  620. lance corporal

    4) marriage vs civil unions

    personally I'm OK with civil unions IF they are also the standard for all other long term unions with marriage an option the religious choose
    when I got married 20 years ago I specifically wanted a non religious ceremony and we did so with a justice of the peace, if it could have been a civil union and all vestiges of the christian church hence removed we would have chosen that
    however most gay people want strict equality and I understand that so they want what is current ... marriage
    this is a real sticking point as so many christians seem to think it will somehow ruin the "sanctity" of their marriage, this I completely don't get but I do understand that many feel their union is consecrated by THEIR god and by the rules of THEIR god/church a gay marriage is not possible, I wish my gay brothers and sisters would accept civil unions and I wish my christian brothers and sisters would reach out with a will to make room for THEIR gay brothers and sisters
    in my opinion making civil unions the standard for ALL non religious unions and religious marriage an option (and one assumes there would be some gay churches that would offer it eventually) would be a good solution that would get legal rights for those in long term unions and general acceptance without forcing the religious to accept something they are so obviously having a hard time with and may need more time

    August 12, 2010 at 10:43 pm | Reply
  621. lance corporal

    5) HATE!

    the hate should be removed from the discussion, now I am largely talking to my conservative/religious/christian americans but from all sides everywhere we should be able to discuss this important issue respectfully and with consideration

    August 12, 2010 at 10:46 pm | Reply
  622. Geiri

    Last time I checked no religion had a copyright for marriage, including Christianity.

    Marriage is much older than all of the main religions today and it has taken many shapes and forms since then. Also marriage isn't just a religious union it's a law-binding one as well.

    Straight people can get a non-religious marriage in most countries, here we call it a "state marriage". The solution for the religious conflict is that everybody is allowed to get married by the law but then the churches (and other religious institutes) can choose whether they bless those marriages or not. Some countries even go as far as separating them completely, in France for example you have to get married twice (first the legal one and then the religious one if you want).

    August 12, 2010 at 10:51 pm | Reply
  623. lance corporal

    6) S E X

    why does s e x matter so much??? I really don't get it, we let our kids watch violent movies but if there's a nipple shown we freak out, I think that is backwards! why do we care how others have s e x???
    it seems perverse to me, it really does and I also have a notion that repression BREEDS perversion, lets stop worrying about what every one else is doing! I was in a book store in buckhead atlanta once (a gay area) and in the bathroom someone had written (poorly scrawled) "I hate f-cking fa gg ots" and someone underneath it had written (in very nice handwriting and different pen) "then don't" to me this is the best comment on se xuality ever made

    some of us are different, it is hurtful to be treated badly for it, please stop

    August 12, 2010 at 10:51 pm | Reply
  624. Nikki

    In France, they have adopted the PACS. It could be a solution to sort out the right part. There is no point of creating a "masquerade" of marriage of people of same sex, as its foundation is so intrinsically linked to the union of two persons of opposite sex.

    For more details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacte_civil_de_solidarité)

    August 12, 2010 at 10:55 pm | Reply
  625. ScottK

    Two last questions to all those who believe themselves religious:

    If it were proved that there is no God, would you be out murdering all those people you hate, having sex with minors & stealing from your neighbors?

    Is it really only God's rules that keep you from being a sick violent pervert?

    After sitting through an AA meeting with an alcoholic friend I realized something, people love to blame their own failings or success on something larger/other than themselves. Its always, "with Gods help I can go without a drink" but when they relapse "Its the devil made me do it..." Try taking responsibility for your own actions and dont blame your penchant for fondling children on the devil or your cure from bad behaviour on God. Only an ignorant selfish child lives that way.

    August 12, 2010 at 11:15 pm | Reply
  626. Taye

    Taye must say this is a madness of the first order.Christianity isnt a religion.it what we must do and created for.if allowed a greater of d city wil sit on the surface of water and wil wil lost it shoulder in times of battle.(the man with 2 kids who appeared on the witdrawer of the u s deadline.aranging a bag wil die with two bullet in his back facing the south home while in the east.return if he must be safe).d peace of the great wise friemds begins to fall apart

    August 13, 2010 at 3:21 am | Reply
  627. taye

    to ryan-havnt u aware of the fact that christianity isnt a religion?.If America is tryin to make life easy i think the victims are violating it now.it right to marriage before.are you victims asking for right to homosexual becus this is not right to freedom at all.ryan stop quoting from the Bible becuse u lack undastanding.or are u not aware that GOd first gave us the right.morover the peaceful laws were picken from the Bible ask ur judge

    August 13, 2010 at 4:10 am | Reply
  628. Melissa

    I think there are issues in the world that are more important then this agenda. I dont have anything against gay individuals, but how is being married going to change anything for them if they have been happily living with the one they love for so long?

    August 13, 2010 at 5:42 am | Reply
  629. Julie Morena

    if you are against gay marriage then simply don't marry a gay person. we are all human beings who deserve the same equal rights under the law. any other way is unconstitutional.

    August 13, 2010 at 6:20 am | Reply
  630. Juffrey

    It's just not right. I believe all religions forbids homosexuality.

    August 13, 2010 at 6:25 am | Reply
  631. David, Uganda

    It has been suggested that the issue is being decided on morals... every law in the world is based on what that society believes to be right or wrong – morals. Thats why americans for example believe it is wrong to conduct dog fighting, and they have outlawed it..

    It is also the morals of californians that gay marriage is wrong, and they have every right to say so...the judge has wrongly usurped their power

    August 13, 2010 at 9:14 am | Reply
  632. Uneke

    It's unfortunate what the world has come to; we are actually arguing about same sex marriage. However what must be said has to be said. In the beginning it was Adam & Eve, then Abraham & Sarah and so on. Regardless of religion or creed, race or ethnicity that was how it started, how the system has been maintained and how it should be sustained.
    I have a strong disagreement with homosexuals asking for the right to adopt children. If they have chosen a path (And the rest of the world cannot or should not advise them to change) then they should run its full course and see where it gets them to. One should not choose a path in the belief that it is good for him/her then at the same time want a piece of the other lifestyle. You cannot eat your cake and have it (in your hand!)

    In simple English, if homosexuals want children they should make their own.

    August 13, 2010 at 9:15 am | Reply
  633. Andris

    I come from Latvia, which is among the few European countries which has a gay marriage ban written in the Constitution.

    I wish somebody could lift this ban like that in my country too.

    August 13, 2010 at 10:26 am | Reply
  634. Sultan Ameer from Karachi, Pakistan

    Western news channels should limit this unnecessary debate (world has bigger and important issues right now) to their own countries where gay marriage is legal, they shouldn't include those countries where it is illegal in their so called debate because by doing so they are encouraging those few gays who want their country to legalize gay marriage.

    August 13, 2010 at 6:31 pm | Reply
  635. Alberto

    pay what you've done. Most of the gays now are homo because of one or more straights actions...angels with sylver wins shouln't know suffering...Every child has the right to have a mother and a father, but please take care of them. It really hurts to see little children suffering, respect your wife or husband, make your kids happy, don't be so selfish just thinking about you, and also respect the aftermath of mankind mistakes and part of human nature, I mean homosexuality due to genetic reasons, that's the only way to make a natural and better world

    August 13, 2010 at 7:52 pm | Reply
  636. Jon

    Civil marriage is not the property of religion. Marriage has existed for millennia and long pre-dates organised religions like Christianity. In the UK, two atheists can be married by a secular registrar in a town hall but gay marriage remains illegal. It doesn't make any sense.

    August 13, 2010 at 9:06 pm | Reply
  637. Ganesh Mahipaul

    I believe homosexuality is a gift from God.........If it was wrong then God would have never created homos.........many tend to say that it is there choice to become homos but why would somebody become a homo if it is highly condemned and critizied......It is something that cannot be changed.......if a man likes a man we all should respect that persons sexuality for it is natural same goes for women.......It is the inbalance of there hormones and that should not deprive them of any right.........The same way hetrosexuals are treated homosexuals should be treated.......

    August 13, 2010 at 9:14 pm | Reply
  638. Phil

    To all those bible-quoting Folks:

    "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me." Matthew 5:11

    August 13, 2010 at 10:13 pm | Reply
  639. michael

    all those judging my right to marry who i want are terrified because they know every year that goes by and more and more people understand that the old school is stupid and and have no just cause to deny me anything based on their religion . another few die off and this wont be an issue, polls say that most people under 40 could care a less if i want to marry my partner ,,, so ok breeders keep having gay children and they and your straight children will grow up and be at my wedding

    August 13, 2010 at 10:34 pm | Reply
  640. N.Miller

    The only thing that bothers me is this: "We The People" said "No" how can someone change what "We The People" voted for? So whats next if a group of people doesn't get the President they want they can go to court and say "not fair we didn't get want" so let's see what fool Judge can overturn the "We The People" vote. Now on the other hand let them get married. As soon as child support for an adopted kid has to be paid and half or all the money has to be paid out to the other wife or husband. They will be begging to go back to the "Old School" way.

    August 17, 2010 at 7:54 am | Reply
  641. N.Miller

    Ciaran you put your foot in your mouth on this one. A man would give his "Daughter" to a "Man" not a "Woman". A father never gave his son to another man. Sorry you lose that one

    August 17, 2010 at 7:59 am | Reply
  642. Michael Justiniani

    marriage is a sacred Union between a man and a women in the eyes of god centered around god gays that love each other can have all the legal rights as a married couple and be together there is nothing stopping them from that but they want to be able to say that they are married all they want is the social status no one stops to think about what Christians/Catholics want or how they feel its incredibly Hippocratic

    August 20, 2010 at 9:27 am | Reply
  643. DT

    Marriage is, and should be, about love. Caring for the other, and vice versa. Anything else is a mockery. I believe in the Defense of Marriage: Adult people who LOVE each other should be allowed to marry. And yes, of COURSE this includes gays and lesbians. It is a sacred agreement and honor and commitment.

    September 6, 2010 at 9:53 pm | Reply
  644. Alex

    I believe same sex marriage should be legalized because like yes in the bible it may only say that marriage is one man and one women. But not every one HAS to follow the bible. If they want to get married then yes they should be allowed to. The bible should be separated from government unless you wanna add in the qua ran and all those other things for EVERY religion.

    June 14, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Reply
  645. Lairbear

    I believe the ancient Egyptians had it right, 3500 years ago, before all of the modern religious beliefs which started around 1500BC as well as 650BC.
    Do some of these dates ring a bell to some readers?
    Overtaking Egypt (Kemet) in 650BC, what group do you think this was? Just look at all the hate this same group has caused today!
    Not to mention the other group starting ca 1500BC they too hate gays.
    I believe in Amon-Ra, Osirus, Min and others.
    May you bask in the sunlight and warmth of summer and not worry about the flames of hell.

    June 14, 2011 at 7:06 pm | Reply

Post a comment


 

CNN welcomes a lively and courteous discussion as long as you follow the Rules of Conduct set forth in our Terms of Service. Comments are not pre-screened before they post. You agree that anything you post may be used, along with your name and profile picture, in accordance with our Privacy Policy and the license you have granted pursuant to our Terms of Service.