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Karadzic the victim?

November 3rd, 2009
05:43 PM ET

When you consider the victims in a war crimes trial, you don't normally consider the defendant first.

How should the war crimes court handle Radovan Karadzic's trial?

How should the war crimes court handle Radovan Karadzic's trial?

But ex-Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic is trying to play that card in The Hague: he's trying to take control of the proceedings by portraying himself as a victim, denied justice by the West, and sinking under the weight of more than a million pieces of paperwork thrown at him by the prosecution.

I have heard western lawyers suggest that the best thing for everyone is for him to boycott the trial so the prosecution can make its case without further distraction.

But justice should be seen to be done and, vitally, all parties concerned - including Bosnian Muslims and Serbs - need to perceive the trial as fair. How does the court strike the right balance?

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  1. mehmet yastı

    how so ever ı am a muslim and ı have bosnian friends ıbelieve that the court should give him an determined time to prepare his defend papers though they are going to be falsified. This man will be verdicted for his rest of life and will die in prison.But if the judges approaches him amenable like he did in war against innocents(!) he may feel some rue for what he did in war.He is already saved at the beginning due to his life is spared by the laws which interdicts executions.Like ı said he must be faced with the relatives of the victims, and the judges,guardians must act on him smoothly as much as they can, as amenable as they can, as ....as they can. And try to hire lots of attorneys for him as many as you can pay.......

    November 3, 2009 at 6:22 pm | Reply
  2. Erasmus Libani

    Karadzic was one of the many proponents in a civil war where many atrocities took place by all sides.

    The Serbs got the short end of the stick because of their relationship with the Russians.

    The Bosnians Muslim and and Croats got off easy despite the many atrocities they committed just because of their special relationship with Europe and the US.

    Karadzic cannot get a fair trial and should be released. There are far too many false witnesses and overall bias for justice to be really served.

    November 3, 2009 at 7:27 pm | Reply
  3. morentz

    No Bosnians or Muslims were ever prosecuted for the mass killings of Serbs, and evidence of grave sites for Serbs were covered up by the investigators.

    There is clearly a conspiracy lying deep within anything to do with the Bosnian war and even the Kosovo war.

    Serbia reacted to terrorists seeking to break apart the sovereignty of the country, just as America persecutes terrorists and threats to national security; so did Serbia.

    Evidence of ethnic cleansing is sketchy at best, and witnesses disappear continually. The Mujahadeen were present in the Bosnian war culling Serbs throughout the country. Yet no argument is raised for these atrocities.

    The only evidence to indicate Srebrenica is a muslim grave site is the presence of muslim attire. Barely any bodies are identified.

    Evidently, the factual evidence is utter bullshit. Milosevic was never found guilty and most probably he was killed off because no evidence was found of his guilt.

    The same goes for Karadzic.

    November 3, 2009 at 7:27 pm | Reply
  4. robert lysiak

    how dare you write a headline like this which even suggests that this pig who was responsible for the atrocious brutal inhuman slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people might, might EVER be considered a victim!!! Shame on you!!!

    November 3, 2009 at 7:49 pm | Reply
  5. H. B.

    I think it is a huge mistake to let Karadzic boycott his trial, especially since he has chosen to represent himself; that means both the defendant AND his "lawyer" are refusing to participate in the trial in any way. That could later be used to press for a mistrial, on the grounds that the defendant was "denied" a right to a full defense.

    I can remember in the '60's, trials for radical groups were held, in which the defendants were supremely disruptive. Enough so that the proceedings could not proceed at all. The judge ordered them bound and gagged in the courtroom. It seemed radical, in its own right, at the time, but the judge really had no options. The trials couldn't proceed with all the disruptions, but locking the defendants away from their own trials would violate the codes of justice which demand that a defendant have the right to be present and to observe the witnesses against him. They HAD to be present. But their presence was such that the trials could not proceed, so they were ordered bound and gagged while in the courtroom.

    Allowing Karadzic to NOT be present could be used by him later on, claiming that he was "denied" the right to observe the witnesses against him. It was, indeed, by his own choice, but the judge, in accepting his boycott, was denying him that right, notwithstanding. The judge, after all, has the power to deny the boycott; accepting it can be interpreted to mean he wants to deny the defendant of his full rights of defense. If the judge HAD to accept the boycott, that would be another matter.

    He should be brought to the courtroom every day of his trial, whether he wants to be there or not. Due to the complexity of the issues, which he claims gave him too little time to prepare his defense, he should have a lawyer – or lawyers – assigned to defend him – again, whether he wants it or not. If he had a lawyer, a team could be assembled to facilitate the examination of all the evidence, so that he can have a trial that allows for the full defense that he claims he is being denied.

    If need be, bind and gag him, assign a lawyer – or perhaps a group of them, plus a team to research his defense – and make him appear in the courtroom for every session. If any proceedings must be held in chambers (away from public view), he should be dragged in there, too.

    It's obvious that Karadzic is simply stalling for time here, trying to throw monkey wrenches into the justice system, and throwing hissy fits. He should not be allowed to get away with it.

    Despite a million pages of documentary evidence, it will not require an encyclopedic knowledge of their contents to prepare for his defense. He was the head of the Bosnian Serbs, who committed the slaughter. That, combined with the slaughter of 7000 men in Srebrinica, only needs to be connected by proving he ordered, or had knowledge of, the slaughter. It doesn't take a million documents to prove that. Since he was a man who tended to rule the Bosnian Serbs with "the fist of steel," it's unlikely such a slaughter could have taken place at all without his direct order or full knowledge – the consequences to his own military people would have been terrible, had that been so. Not only that, the fact that he ordered no consequences for those military people, AFTER the slaughter became known worldwide, is evidence that he knew, and approved of, what they did.

    It will take little in the way of legal maneuvering in order to establish his culpability far beyond a reasonable doubt. And since he isn't facing a death penalty, under any circumstances, he'll have all the time he wants to prepare for any appeals that are available to him, should he be convicted.

    But it would be a very serious mistake for the Tribunal to allow him to boycott his own trial, or to even allow him to continue representing himself, especially in a case which he, himself, declares to be exceedingly complex. Maybe he knows, better than anyone else, what those million documents contain, but only a trained lawyer can possibly know how to make the best defense out of their contents. So he should have a legal representative. He is obviously incapable of doing a proper job of it alone. But that, too, could later be claimed a denial of his rights, even though he was the one who refused representation.

    He should not have the right to boycott and disrupt the proceedings of his own trial, and deny himself a legal representative, only to turn around later and claim that, because of these things, he was denied a fair trial. He would surely do that. He therefore shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

    Force him to sit in the courtroom, bound and gagged, if need be, and assign a lawyer and a hefty research team to tend to his defense. Let him have his say, if that's what he wants to do, but if he goes on rants, back come the gags and ropes. He MUST be present at his own trial; justice cannot be served for his defense otherwise. He MUST also have a lawyer; it is obvious he isn't qualified to run his own defense, since he isn't versed in the laws.

    I see nothing here that is insurmountable. So why is it being made into such a thorny issue? If more time is needed to prepare his defense, a lawyer will surely press for it – and would probably get it, too.

    So give the man his full defense, even if it must be done against his will.

    November 3, 2009 at 7:59 pm | Reply
  6. Ian Farr

    Karadzic was a genocidal maniac, egged on by the fact that the rest of Europe (& the US) did nothing for so long. At the time they weren't too anxious to get other muslim governments on board & simply didn't want to get involved. He is not the victim, but he directly caused unimaginable suffering to hundreds of thousands of real victims. He should not be pandered to yet again.

    November 3, 2009 at 8:05 pm | Reply
  7. Damir

    You should be ashamed to even suggest such title!!! You were and you are contributing to misery of Bosnian people. Hats off to people like Christian Amanpour. Why world cannot see what did this man do! I have a feeling if Hitler was cought alive and tried there would still be those claiming his innocence and rights. What about rights of millions these monsters took away, killed, raped and tortured. Yes there must be atrocities on all sides, its a war, but the fact remains if it wasn't for his desire to ethically clean the 'Turks' the Bosnian issue could have been a diplomatic battle. The fact is he knew Bosnians were unarmed and tried to take advantage of it. There are videos of his speeches with these statements. I hope that all of you suffer in such a war and then write the comments about conspiracies and Karadzic's inocence. Even if higher powers did wanted to get rid of European muslims he has no prove of it and until then its all in his head, not to mention he didnt have to listen to them. But whats not in his head and there are evidence about it, is ferocious attrocities he and his soldiers committed. I pray he gets the worst punishment and I pray for all of you who like him to live under his rule. I did and I know what I'm talking about.

    November 3, 2009 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  8. Breno

    I think this multi million pages paperwork is utterly ridiculous. Justice on earth is a piece of trash.

    November 3, 2009 at 8:33 pm | Reply
  9. Bogdan

    Evil in the human body! Give him to mothers of dead sons and daughters! That is the only punishment he deserves!!! You will burn in hell radovan...

    November 3, 2009 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  10. Amalia

    It is true that atrocities were on all sides of the war, but to what degree? Karadzic had a senior position inf the war; he was one of the leaders. Too bad they did not find his friend in crime Mladic. Whatever punishment Karadzic may get, it will be too good for him! Is Karadzic
    the victim? You must be kidding.

    November 3, 2009 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  11. LM

    Even if there were atrocities on all sides, two wrongs don't make a right. Massacres of innocent civilians are atrocities no matter what, and if someone is responsible for atrocities he or she should be punished, period. Making excuses for him by saying that "the other guys were also bad" is simply unacceptable.
    Ethnic cleansing is unacceptable on any side. To my knowledge it's not true that Serbs are the only targets of the war crimes tribunal. Unfortunately, the Bosnian Serbs were responsible for some of the most spectacular atrocities such as the Srebrenica massacre, hence the high interest in bringing to justice those responsible for them. Mr. Karadzic was an ideologue of ethnic cleansing, and thus he bears moral responsibility for the actions of his followers, just like Hitler may not have killed any Jews with his own hands, but he was responsible for the Holocaust.
    Mr. Karadzic should be treated like any other defendant in a war crimes tribunal, with Nurenberg as an example. He should be given a fair trial but he should not be given an opportunity to stonewall or sidetrack the proceedings with tirades and theatrics.
    Now, when Radko Mladic is apprehended, Bosnia and Serbia will finally be able to close this dark chapter in their history. Bosnia and Serbia should join the European Union, and conspiracy theorists should find something better to do with their time.

    November 3, 2009 at 9:28 pm | Reply
  12. milica

    I complitli agry with Damir . karadzic is mas mrderer !!!!!

    November 3, 2009 at 9:58 pm | Reply
  13. emir

    I am from Bosnia. All those who questioning acts of Serbs in the war and consider does He have all rite at the court r invited to visit Bosnia and all those sites.
    Only question is: Does exist punishmet on Earth enought big for him to meet all pain of people who suffered.

    November 3, 2009 at 10:25 pm | Reply
  14. Peter Mann

    Karazdic is a victim of a capitalist justice system. If prosecution is confident of their case why are they trying to bury him with paperwork.
    In a fair trial Dr. Karazdic would prove his innocence easily.

    November 3, 2009 at 10:38 pm | Reply
  15. Rich

    He chose to represent himself. There's no excuse for being ill-prepared for trial if he chose to not make use of attorneys afforded to him. As far as it would seem, he is using every tactic he can think up to try to delay the trial and its results.

    November 3, 2009 at 10:46 pm | Reply
  16. Halid

    There is no doubt, something evil happened in Srebrenica. However, why is it a problem to provide DNA evidence confirming the 7,000-8,000 killed figure? Until that is done, conspiracies will continue. Just like the claim of hundreds of thousands killed in Bosnia, when in fact it is confirmed that the number killed was below 100,000. Numbers are dangerous. The Hague tribunal needs to accuse these criminals with something other than "conspiring genocide" or "hate speech" or a "joint criminal enterprise" because those charges do not float and have proven so in previous cases.

    November 3, 2009 at 10:57 pm | Reply
  17. adnan

    my stomach is tumbling in pain and fear at the title of this article.
    shame, shame, shame.
    war happened 15 years ago, not 1500.
    don't you all remember bosnian agony during serb campaigns?
    find one serb mass grave. just one.
    at the same time, thousands of bosnian mothers are still searching for their sons, and husbands and brothers in bosnian burrows.
    i truly do hope that Mr. Radovan Karadzic will never see light of the sun again.

    November 3, 2009 at 11:05 pm | Reply
  18. John Meinke

    I, as a Christian, find it unbelievable what was done. I have many friends from the area, and they have suffered greatly. We all believe in one God - and the tenets are the same, whether Muslim or Christian.

    We need to get this settled, and there needs to be an admission of guilt or a conviction! So many lives have been sacrificed! How can how many pages of documention justify prolonging this trail?

    Can we get on with the trial, and the conviction that is obvious - and can life proceed onward for the people - it;'s obvous that that is not what's happening1

    My own feeling is that we as Christians can move forward with our Muslin brethren and continue to rebuiod a country that was essentially devastated (ntentially) by trhe defendent!

    November 3, 2009 at 11:33 pm | Reply
  19. jon

    He is no victim, he is a criminal and needs to be dealt with as a criminal. I know most Europeans are against the death penalty and so are a great deal of Americans but this man is personally responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent Muslim civilians. And like at Nurmeburg, if he is found guilty, he should be hung.

    November 3, 2009 at 11:33 pm | Reply
  20. mehmoona

    for the crimes he is accused of , crimes which have stained humanity as a whole,how can he now play around with law? it is upto the courts to decide how much time is needed and should not be at the behest of karadzic's bidding

    November 3, 2009 at 11:45 pm | Reply
  21. Peter Mann

    Karadzic is a victim of capitalist justice system. If prosecutors were confident of their case why did they try to bury him with paperwork? In a fair trial Karadzic would be proven innocent. Mr. Holbrooke will vouch his innocence.

    November 4, 2009 at 12:37 am | Reply
  22. Broun

    Of course he is a visctim and he may have ordered for the rstoration of sovereignity of Serbia. If he is tried so sho Wesly Clark, Skejo, Nasar Oric and other war criminals like Bush

    November 4, 2009 at 12:52 am | Reply
  23. D.lubbers

    For the course of justice and the trial to be fully legitimate he will have to be present during the trial. As said before, if need be : bound and gagged. It would be best if the courts would have assigned a lawyer to him a long time ago, since appointing one now would lead to further stalling of the lawsuit. They could have foreseen that he would do everything within his power to disrupt justice. It's hard for me to say what he did or did not do, but I believe it is quite clear that this man knew ( if not helped plan) about the slaughter of innocent people. This does not make the other groups necessarily innocent but the genocide in Srebrenica is a good example of something Karadzic will have to take (partial) responsibility for. It would be really painful for the victims if he, too, would die before the court could come to a decision.

    November 4, 2009 at 1:21 pm | Reply
  24. Dusan

    If Serbs and him are only evil in Bosnia how come that my Serb relatives finished with slashed throats in Kravica by mujahidin's and local thugs from so called demilitarized zone Srebrenica.

    November 4, 2009 at 2:53 pm | Reply
  25. Dusan

    Naser Oric commander of units from so called demilitarized zone Srebrenica was acquitted of all charges by international court in Hague and he had hero welcoming in Sarajevo and I have to believe in justice!!

    November 4, 2009 at 3:05 pm | Reply
  26. Dusan

    International court is backed by USA and justice is served by their guidance. That same court is not good for American citizens (never signed treaty -I think only country) . I know that winners are writing history but that does not equal justice!

    November 4, 2009 at 3:15 pm | Reply
  27. Mirsada Causevic

    To suggest that Karadzic might be the victim is highly inappropriate to say the least. There are many lawyers at the Hague court and we, as public, should let them carry out their jobs as lawyers and their duties as human beings. If you as CNN journalists wish to do the same, I would suggest that you publicly speak about other issues and leave this one – "Karadzic the victim?" – for private discussions at your homes and your pubs. People of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and here I mean Bosnian Muslims and other loyal Bosnians, who did not run away from their home towns prior to the massing of the Serb forces on their outskirts, have gone through immeasurable amount of fear, poverty and hardship, and many have faced torture, rape and death. We do not need more insults from the "West"! I fear that we will never see the day when the justice is being done to the innocent Bosnian Muslims who died in the war! We, who survive, have to remember them always! No matter what happens at the Hague, we, who survive, have to honour the innocent Bosnian Muslims who died needlessly! It is OUR DUTY to them and, I feel, the only way for us to carry on with our lives with dignity!

    November 4, 2009 at 5:37 pm | Reply
  28. Morentz

    "War does not determine who is right, only who is left."

    The only ones left are the extremist Bosnian-Muslim terrorists; backed up by the American dollar.

    More Serb mass graves exist than Bosnian. The fact that no bodies have been identified in Srebrenica indicates that no conclusion can be drawn as to who committed that crime.

    In fact, figures for Srebrenica have ranged from a few hundred up to 8,000. Based on that huge range, it is clear something is completely wrong.

    Karadzic was promised immunity from prosecution by the UN General in charge of the forces during the conflict. Clearly this is an example where Justice flat-out fails.

    Free Karadzic, prosecute those murderous Islamic terrorists.

    November 4, 2009 at 8:15 pm | Reply
  29. Human

    Take him to a field and skin him alive in front of the families whose millions of children lay in mass graves thanks to his massacres. That is justice.

    November 5, 2009 at 1:12 pm | Reply
  30. simao

    It seems he is one of the many guilty of the war, like Tudjman from Croatia and Izetbegovic from the muslims. But the serbs were persecuted through the entire war as the bad guys, while the majority of them simply didn't want to live under ilegal muslim government that was inclined to the fundamentalism. I guess most of us in the free world would't want it too and would fight for freedom. Fascist muslims and fascist croats had killed nearly a millions serbs in WW2 with the help of Hitler. The Serbs feared the same would happen and all hell broke loose. The crimes commited by some serbs nationalist-fascist paramilitaries militias are undeniable, but so are the ones made by the muslim mujahideen (some of the 9/11 terrorist had been in Bosnia) and croat nazi-fascist militias that were supported from the outside. Dont try to make the serbs the bad guys, as in the end the serbian people were the most right of them. Throughout history they have been always in the right side, with the allies in WW1 and 2 on the contrary of the croats and muslims. The nationalist croats and muslims wanted independence at any price and they got it at the expense of a great country that was yugoslavia. That's my opinion from all I've studied on the subject. The poor peoples from all sides were the ones who suffered, from recent srebrenica to former Jasenovac.

    November 6, 2009 at 12:48 am | Reply
  31. Tom from UK

    Radovan Karadzic is a Psychiatrist by profession, he knows how to play mind games, don't fall for his attempt to muddy the waters.

    November 6, 2009 at 10:26 am | Reply
  32. Yacut

    It's plain sick to think of this man as a victim.

    I'm thinking even if every crime that he committed is proved in Hague, he still lives his natural life in the Hague Hilton. How sad he will never feel the pain of his victims ever!

    November 6, 2009 at 1:23 pm | Reply
  33. Rusak

    Haag's tribunal appears to be infamous Court of Star Chamber, clown's dressed gathering looking just to take responcible for the atrocities onto just one side supported by Russia and shielding off all anothers, loyal to Brussels and, particulary, Washington.

    November 6, 2009 at 7:21 pm | Reply
  34. Act

    Woow. Suprised to see that more and more people on CNN are opening their eyes and seeing that we (Serbs) are not always the guilty party. I'm not saying that we are all the angels but it seems we are the only ones that get convicted. They (Muslims and Croats) have commited worse crimes against us but instead to go to the Hague, they are left alone. There are worse than Karadzic on the other two sides.

    November 7, 2009 at 2:03 am | Reply
  35. I.H.M

    I.H.M 06/11/05 Washington D.C. USA

    This time it is not about politics ! milions of people through Ballkans suffered from Milosevic, Karazic, Mlladic, and hundred of thousand of their thugs.
    Wars in Ballkans were just the last chapter written by these criminal minds and executed by military and paramilitary forces, supported mostly by Serbian people who know call themselves "victims"!

    You would be the victims if we came and attacked you in Belgrade, but we did not. We would be the terrorists if we attacked Serbia, but we did not, the only thing we did was protected ourselves in our houses from the most dirty military and paramilitary groups who took their orders from both politican and military leaders and were praised from their religious leaders and the academy of the science. I do not call this a war, but a special war because everything was orcesterated and cooked in Serbia during 1980s.

    I was born in 1981, in Kosova/o, I lived a mile from the Decani Monastery, Serbians were a small minority 3-5% maybe, not exactly sure, I do not want to speculate with numbers. My family for generations were tortured and executed from Serbian and others who came and left Ballkans, my grandfather was in a Goli Ottok prison, which is an island somwhere in Croatia I believe, while both of his brothers were killed from Serbian forces during WWII, my father was only man left in his family. My first neighbour was Serbian, and there were few of them in my town, but my father never ever told me any story or anything bad about anyone, he always told me that there are good and bad people, you can be friend with whomever you want. He never mentioned ethnicity and always respected his neighbours, he even spoke their language out of respect. Growing up i started realizing many things because people were being killed everyday, many Albanian soldiers who were serving in a former YU army were coming back dead in arcivoles, people in Kosova/o starting noticing things early because they had a bad experience from the past. While people in KS started protesting peacfully for more rights, freedom and democracy, Serbian Milicia started killing, torturing, and imprison students, professors, academics and ordinary people just to generate fear so that they can achieve their goal of Great Serbia. 1989, Serbia revoked the Autonomy of KS, they even tried to made the Serbian language official in schools, we didn't accepted and they started closing schools or using other special forms to prevent us from going to school.

    I was ten years walking into the school when i saw my friends and dozens of childrens falling down, shaking, screaming and going crazy because of poisen Serbian regime put in my own school that day. My sister who was five years older than me was one of the thousands of students who were poisened in KS schools during the late 1980s, and begining of1990s, many of these victims still suffer and have health problems as a result of all this. My sister was on a perfect shape and a very strong young athlete, but since than she starting having seizures, she lost one of her kidneys and she can not have a children, this is just one of the thousands of innocent children who suffered the special war that not many people in the world know or talk about it. Because i lived on the center of my town, I saw so many things during my childhood, I would need days to describe all of it. Even though, I was just a kid and they tried to generate fear, I never feared them, I just started becoming frustrated and angry more and more everday because I could not quit understand what was going on, why they were being so violent by killing, raping and torturing innocent people whom many of them i knew. We knew long time ago that a bad storm is coming, we just were not sure if the world is going to be able to notice it and maybe prevent it, but unfortunately they didn't. The war started in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosova/o. So many innocent people died in Croatia, but Bosnia was torn apart, I remember all these refugees and dead people, how could people on the right state of mind do such things, even though I knew they were brutal i never knew they would go so far. Just for one night seven thousand men or more were massacred in Srebrenica, while UN forces were there, there were so many people responsible for that, but Karazic, and Mladic two so called intelectuals executed the orders.
    That was the first time i started to feel insecure because we in KS always knew that we were next was just matter of time. That day came fast, few years later while Serbian leaders were still playing the world and using their own people of Serbia to support them, KS was finally attacked. I will never forget these families in Drenica region of KS who were massacred in their houses. Pregnant women, three month children, handicaps, and people in their 90s or more cut on pieces just because of their hegemonist dream of Great Serbia, two weeks later while I was being ready to go to school I heard these shoots and just half of mile from my house a family was attacked from Serbian forces, and that was it, that was a moment which everyone in KS realized that we have to do anything to protect ourselves from those thugs, and profesional killers. They did not have a moral, most of them were drug addicts whose been through previous wars in Croatia and Bosnia. They burned people alive, they raped women and their killed , tortured anyone who came through theit path, they murdered animals, such as dogs, cats, cows anything they could. While all these terrible things were going on people in Serbia were having a good times and they were not woorying much about their thug's behaviors. They still support and hide criminals, and their still call themselves "victims".

    I am not mad or emotional, I lost many members of my family in this terrible Special War, but I will never doubt the justice. Serbian governement and people of Serbia who doubt these wars and see themselves as "victims" would be haunted from the dark past until the day they die, if they do not accept their mistakes and apologize for everything they did. There is no argument in the world that is going to help Karazic, Mladic, or their supporters. Only reason he is doing what he is doing is that he wants to die and take the truth with him in a grave just like Millosevic did, so that Serbian people still can keep his pictures on a pockets and call them "HEROES"!

    You be the Judge, WHO WERE THE VICTIMS ?

    Sorry if i made any mistake while writting,was free writting and not edited !

    November 7, 2009 at 4:47 am | Reply
  36. Rono

    Egzecution in this case is magical word. Don't let this mass murder live and take breath. I see Serbs (which hide theirs real names and nationality all over the net) still support theirs sick leaders.

    Guys you are sick nation, you need medical treatments so you have the chance. Without that, to defend this monster, this Hannibal Lecter and others like him in Belgrade, it is sick.

    November 7, 2009 at 7:24 am | Reply
  37. Tebra

    If he has done that things to innocent people he should be punished.But definitelly not by some Tribunal who is bribed and just follows the lead of some supreme powers, so to say.How is possible that they arrest and try our generals and release albanian general who is proven to be guilty for his crimes?

    No offense at all.I also support justice, but can you say that The Hague Tribunal is place of law, huh?

    November 8, 2009 at 11:14 pm | Reply
  38. gorgi

    Serbs are animals. Smile at you and stab you in the back at the same time.

    November 9, 2009 at 5:23 am | Reply
  39. ivan

    karadzic is to war crimes what osama is to terrorism!

    November 10, 2009 at 12:00 am | Reply
  40. jo

    Bill Clinton did same to Srbian People. He shuld be next to Him

    November 10, 2009 at 1:11 pm | Reply
  41. ChaMiL

    Hope he will hang high
    If some of u guys think that he is innocent
    i see bunch of ppl here talk and have no clue what they talking about
    Whats up with the USA they never thought Karadzic is right and fighting for freedome, opposite of that USA went there and bombed those INNOCENT guys.Thats just something to think about
    Bosnia and Herzegovina always had all kinde's of human race living there and never wanted to make it muslim coutry like some ppl like to say that . YOU PPL hear MUSLIM u think here comes the TERRORIST WAKE UP WILL YOU

    November 11, 2009 at 4:18 pm | Reply
  42. Morentz

    Reply to ChaMiL:

    1) The Ottoman Empire invaded the Balkans and the rest of Europe during the Middle Ages. They enslaved the people, enforced Islam and killed many people. Muslims don't belong in the Balkans: they are all converted Christians. Something should have been done to stop the spread of radical Islamic terrorists in Europe.

    2) Also if you want to argue, type in proper English and without slang. Otherwise you look like a fool and should be ignored.

    Your opinion = invalid.

    November 11, 2009 at 6:46 pm | Reply
  43. Lilly

    Max Foster : Are you actually suggesting Karadzic might be a victim? What planet are you coming from? Obviously you did not do your "homework", and you have no idea what you are talking about.

    November 13, 2009 at 12:42 am | Reply
  44. Aleksa

    And You Lilly know what are You talking about? Are You sure?
    Do You know how Bosnian war started?

    Muslims killed people at the Serbian wedding, in Sarajevo!!!!!!

    During Turkish rule and trough first and second World War, as well as throughout Bosnian war, MUSLIMS KILLED OVER 2.000.000 SERBS!! ONLY IN JASENOVAC AND GRADISKA CAMPS, DURING WW2, MUSLIMS AND CROATS KILLED OVER 300.000 SERBS.
    AND GUESS WHAT? IT IS WRITTEN IN OFFICIAL HISTORY. PLEASE LILLY, YOU JUST HAVE TO READ IT!!!

    November 15, 2009 at 9:07 pm | Reply
  45. Svetlana

    If you visit Srebrenica home page you will see how big that village is and how many buildings it has. And now you are telling me that 8000 people once lived in those couple of buildings?Who are you kidding??
    No other comments is necessary.
    May our Pavle rest in peace and pray for us.
    God Bless to all of you!

    November 17, 2009 at 12:48 am | Reply
  46. Janosh

    The court it's taking so long to bring a verdict,a guilty verdict even serbian people know that Karadzic is a criminal and they kept him safe for so long,after achiving some help from IMF and lots of credits they brought him to Hague.
    I wonder for whad deal will they trade Mladic since they are taking care of him for so long.
    Anyway get to the point and give him harshest sentence since he is still alive because he is old and might die like Milosevic without knowing that he was a criminal.

    November 17, 2009 at 4:00 am | Reply
  47. mat hendriks

    Karadzic is no victim

    All the people who are now dead under his responsibility are the victims.
    Especially the muslim population (sebrenica.)
    Judgement must happened fast-no time to loose.
    Everyone knows what happened.
    This man is resonsible for genocide.
    Just as the Germans for the Jews ((holocaust) the Rhuwandees for the Huttu's and the Turks for genocide of the Armeniers.
    Every one knows it but there are always people and counties who denied it.
    What an ashame.

    Kurzem proces sagt der Deutsche.
    The proces as these need fast treatment.
    Let him once speak and then let the Judge do his job.
    Years, of proces will make Karadzic by some sic people to a Star instead a warcriminal.

    By the way where is Mladic, the butcher?
    Where in Gods name is this schwein.
    Amerika was able to catch Saddam, "we've got him".
    Apower of the kind of Amerika can not do it?
    Don't let me laugh.
    It is the highest time.
    Good should be good and bad should be bad,
    but for everyone on the same standards.
    Justice must be done.
    Don't make victims of these murders!

    November 17, 2009 at 8:47 am | Reply
  48. mat hendriks

    where is the moderation
    I call it censure
    what is with you're right of free speech?
    Comment please

    November 17, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Reply
  49. Constantin

    Karadjic,of course,is not guilty. The cause of Serbian tragegy is pro-albanian and pro-jew position of US and EU.

    November 18, 2009 at 3:48 am | Reply
  50. alex mrkajic

    karadzic was sentenced to life in prison before he was even captured, therefore, nothing else matters. it doesn't matter if he is given enough time to prepare or if he doesn't even appear in the court. the justice won't be served either way. if the purpose of justice system is not only to punish those that are found guilty but to also bring some closure to victims, then this court was not capable of serving any justice from the beginning. only way for closure to truly take place in bosnia, croatia and serbia is for the muslims to prosecute their criminals, serbs to prosecute theirs and croats to prosecute theirs. and to start from the beginning; not 1991 but 1941. because that is when the war started and it never really ended.
    if bosnia continues on the same path that it is on right now, more wars are inevitable. same is true for kosovo and maybe even croatia.

    November 19, 2009 at 11:16 pm | Reply
  51. Tedd

    I workeed in Krajina-sector north zone (now Croatia) and later in Sarajevo as a UN peace keeper, and I might be the only one that can speak what happend in former Yugoslavia. It is soo silly to write about something that you have never experience ( or even been in that part of the Europe), and pretend how you know everything by watching CNN news. That is soo wrong!!! 100.000s serbs were killed in Krajina and forced to leave their homes behind, and move to serbia or bosnia. As a UN worker I can prove to all of you by my picture gallery how many childern/older women and young boys were killed in that area, it was somthing that made me sick for the rest of my life. After Krajina was cleared from Serbs, I was to move to Sarajevo, where I was able to see many documents how muslims were bombing their own people at the one of the bigest market's in dt Sarajevo to use that against Serbs. There was lots of documents showing that Serbs killed many Muslims (including mujahadeen from all over the world) fighting jihad in bosnia).In Srebrenica all together before the war lived 12.000 people, it was impossible to have 8000 people killed there. In UN knowlege many of local muslims that were on the missing list were not killed. The list was made to create a huge propaganda against Serbs in Serbia (not even Bosnia), so UN would be able with American help to call for sanctions against Serbia.
    IF YOU WERE NOT THERE DURING THE WAR YOU SHOULD NOT WRITE ON HERE!

    November 20, 2009 at 2:37 am | Reply
  52. Svetlana

    Tedd,
    Your comment says everything, you are a 100% right in your observation, your words should end this discussion once and for all.
    Karadzic is not the only one to blame. God Bless You!

    November 21, 2009 at 3:44 am | Reply
  53. JJ09

    If karadzic is given life in prison than so should the people who killed serbs.
    it was a WAR. just because karadzic was successful in his goals, he's the only one who committed a crime? what kind of justice is that?
    all sides killed people.
    i guess all the croats and bosnians who killed a lot of serbs will just get away with it.

    this trial is just politics. DIRTY POLITICS.
    politics by which serbs will NEVER achieve justice.
    just like how we lost kosovo. how we were bombed in 1999 by nato.
    we will always be disadvantaged because the US is not on our side.
    that is a fact, and each one of you attacking karadzic KNOW that the only reason he is being tried for these crimes and croatian or bosnian leaders are NOT, is because he is SERBIAN. if it was croatians that committed the srebrenica crimes this would not have even leaked onto the media.
    ovo stvarno nema smisla..
    if karadzic is guilty, so are the rest.
    at least karadzic will pay for his crimes on earth, the rest of them will burn in hell.

    November 21, 2009 at 3:51 am | Reply
  54. JJ09

    to 'I.H.M'

    im not even bothered reading the essay you wrote here.
    but the first few paragraphs indicate that your 'essay' is from a subjective point of view and is COMPLETELY biased.

    serbs killed albanians in kosovo did they?
    did we tear down our own churches aswell?
    bas si pametan, ej?
    im sure if part of bosnia was to be cut off you wouldnt be cheering and saying its FAIR the way you think its fair that serbs lost kosovo to the albanians. kosovo and metohija is where our religion started, and now its in the hands of the people that hate us and oppose christianity. if you were a serb you wouldnt be sitting there writing some bullshit essay about how your dad taught you there good and bad people – my dad did that too, but that doesnt change the fact that there are many OTHER serbs out there think differently, just as your people do..

    please people, give it a break.
    this argument will NEVER end.

    November 21, 2009 at 4:39 am | Reply
  55. Josip

    To Tedd: I was there during the war, in what U call "krajna" which was always a part of Croatia and is interantionally recognised as such. Before U came along with your "peacekeepers" who were drunk, biased and smuggling booze, fuel and cigarettes half the time, part of Croatia U are referring to was roughly 50 50 % mix Croats/Serbs. At the outbreak of war, local Serbs with the help of paramilitaries and JNA had EXPELLED robed and killed ALL the Croats out of the region, burned Croatian villages, churches etc.

    That was initial ethnic cleansing in the region, and a template for all others.

    During operation Storm which was a military op to retake the region by the Cro forces 4 years after there were a lot of casualties, but not nearly as many as U re lying here about... Serb defences folded in 5 days in that operation, despite some of your colleagues providing intel and positions of Cro forces to the Serbs. Show me 1 mass offensive in military history without civilian casualties. This is not to say I am defending any atrocities perpetrated by the Cro side in the conflict. On the contrary.

    Ačsp: lets talk about Vukovar, Dubrovnik, Zadar, Sibenik, Gospic, Novska, Osijek and dozens of other Croatian cities which were heavily shelled and devastated by the Serb forces at the onset of the war. That was a few months before U came along, I am sure U ve seen all that. So why do U lie here?

    Tell me one thing: what about all the ppl who were indigenous in the region U speak about and who were living there before U and the war came along? Oh right they were killed expelled and robed before U came along...

    Get your facts straight Unproforac before U start splashing lies, half truths and innuendos on the net about the issue about which U intentionally, or through sheer stupidity, know very little off.

    Regarding Srebrenica: it was a UN safe haven, therefore a lot of ppl (tens of thousands) were sheltering there during that dark episode of the Bosinan war. They were mostly refugees. To claim that because originally the place had a small population as an argument of an anti_Serb "hoax" is again, either intentionally biased or just ignorant.

    Get your facts straight.

    November 21, 2009 at 4:33 pm | Reply
  56. Isabegovic

    He plays the role of victim as Serbs played in 1990s while in same time armed them self and started aggression on Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Karađić pathetic behavior at court is a performance for his sympathizers who still believe in Great Serbia, after loosing all 3 wars against Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.
    The true victims do not need sentence for their sake, we already know that he is no different than Hitler, the conviction is needed for Serbs. They still did not accepted the truth, the truth on enormous atrocities, they committed during military aggression in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo and that it is WRONG. The Serbs need to learn something from this trial and look to the future and not to the past. It is a shame that Serbs, their authorities and their intellectuals wasting their energy to present genocide and war crimes they committed as their victory. I have not come in Serbia from Bosnia to kill your children, fathers and brothers, or to ripe your women, you Serbs come here and did that to Bosniaks and Croats. Thanks to Amerika the Croatia is now free, Kosovo is recognized country and Bosnia is going toward EU membership even troubled by Serbs fascistic politic in smaller entity. GOD save the US and good people from all around the world who helped Bosniaks and Croats to defend Bosnia.

    November 23, 2009 at 2:43 pm | Reply
  57. SD_129

    T.Y. Tedd, finally someone who is better informed and knows what was going on.

    November 24, 2009 at 2:52 am | Reply
  58. Dragan

    This court is not a real court. It is a political kangaroo court, meant to turn the victims (Serbs) into the aggressors and the aggressors (Croats, Muslims, Albanians, NATO) into victims. The sole purpose of the court is to dehumanize Serbs, and whitewash NATO's own war crimes for which there is OVERWHELMING evidence.
    Bombing a small country like Serbia for 78 days based on lies and propoganda of '100,000 deas Albanians' and other nonsense, is a blatant war crime.
    This same Hague tribunal released Nasir Oric, a man who bragged and admitted to a Toronto Star journalist, and even showed him footage, of his men murdering and mutilating Serb civilians. That says it all about what kind of court this is. As for the bombing by NATO of the RTS building in Serbia and the killing of janitors and make-up women, how anyone can justify this is beyond me, and I hope they burn in hell for this order.
    If this were a real court, then Madeline Albright, Bill Clinton, Wesley Clark, Tony Blair, Javier Solana, Richard Holbrooke..and the rest of their gang of war criminals would be sitting in a jail cell at the Hague.
    Radovan Karadzic was defending his people from another genocide, once again at the hands of Croats and Bosnian Muslims, just like in WWII, and he is not guilty of anything, In fact, he will be remembered as a Serbian hero and songs sang about him in Serbian folklore, and rightly so. The truth will expose all these well paid NATO lies, for the truth is on the Serbian side, as always.

    November 25, 2009 at 3:50 pm | Reply
  59. Mladen Sudarevic

    I am not suggesting that Mr.Karadzic is a victim; however, he is being tried in court that is financed primarily by United Nations whose highest benefactor is United States of America (who fought the war by proxy through Muslims and Croats). Entire Hague Justice System is designed to prosecute and convict those who worked against policies and interests of United States and its Allies. Even if Karadzic could (by some miracle) prove that he was not involved in atrocities that were committed by Serbs in Bosnia he would still be convicted. This court was designed to punish those who work against American and Western European Interests and to give the appearance of fair trial; that’s it.
    Anyway, Karadzic already knows that he will be sentenced and taking part in this trial would only further legitimize illegitimate court and quite frankly would be waste of his time. He is better off spending his time watching television, reading books or talking via phone to his friends and relatives in Balkans. He is not stupid, he already knows that he will spend rest of his life behind the walls.

    November 26, 2009 at 3:31 pm | Reply
  60. Blogger

    It was a war. Bad things happen when you kill for territory and don't even try and BS me by saying that the Croats and Muslims weren't trying to kill off the Serbs, they hated the Serbs and believe me the feeling was mutual. He like any other accused person should have as much time as he needs to prepare for his trial. Also please tell me how it is civil to drop nuclear weapons in two major Japanese cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or how about the killing of civilian villages in Vietnam, or maybe the use of biological weapons in Korea.

    November 28, 2009 at 11:11 pm | Reply
  61. Hasim Kovacic

    Hypocritical Europe did it again! Today a free visa regime was announced for Western Balkan states: Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia. Croatia and Slovenia already can travel across Europe without getting visas. Giving the fact that 90% of BiH Croats and Serbs have double citizenship (BiH and Croatian or Serbian) it comes only to Bosnian Muslims who still need visas for any European country!!! That’s right Bosnians Muslims – the people that suffered the most in recent war – the people that suffered genocide in the end of 20th century in the heart of Europe. Hundreds of thousands of us were killed, our homes destroyed, millions of us were made refugees and……in the end…….. the EU awarded every Balkan state with free visa regime, except Bosnia.

    November 30, 2009 at 6:34 pm | Reply
  62. To Tedd

    Dear Tedd I was born in Bosnia, grew up in Bosnia, went to war, fought in war and I still live in Bosnia. I apologize to you for speaking about “the things that in Bosnia during the war”.

    I must tell you that everything you wrote in your comment is LIE. Bosnian Muslims are the victims of the recent war in Bosnia simply because of the fact that they were no prepared for the war and the fact that they believed in the peaceful solution of the conflict and at the end because of the fact that they were not armed. On the other side there were the Bosnian Serbs, armed by the former Yugoslav Army and well instructed by the experienced serb warriors from Croatia what to do. The serbs had the plan. It was to ethnically clean the territories they thought should belong them. This operation included killing, displacing of all the non-serb population. Karadzic was on top of this. This is the FACT – HISTORIC FACT. Of course Tedd (or Dragan) you can always deny those facts. You can also say that this was never happened. You can say that SREBRENICA never happened. I visited Srebrenica this summer and talked to the survivors. Can you do that Tedd. Can you Dragan do that. It would clear that foggy picture you have in your head.

    By the way, I can tell when a Slavic language speaking person writes English. You are not good at that Tedd. You should have left your real name. I am sure its Dragan, or Radovan or RAtko.

    One more thing. Did you know that denying of genocide is actually the last step of it. The truth will set you free.

    November 30, 2009 at 7:16 pm | Reply
  63. Marko D.Niciforovic

    Jasenovac.500 000 dead Serbs.Ustashi and Bosnian Muslim kiils half milion Serbs in Croatia,Bosnin and Hercegovin during second world war.Wher is justic for Serb.Wher.When Bosnian Muslim kill Serbs,ok,but when Serbs kill Bosnin Muslim it is genocide.Al Qaida wariors was been in Bosnia.Al Mudjahedin unit kill 2500 Serbin people,children,and womens.Wher is Justis.

    December 1, 2009 at 1:25 pm | Reply
  64. Andy

    This is getting soooo tedious. It is OBVIOUS this ne'er-do-well malcontent is guilty. Just lock him up. Now. Don't let this thing linger so that he dies while the trial is "ongoing" – that's what his erstwhile cowardly colleage, Mr Slobodan Milosovic did – he died – a cowardly way out ... at least they should have stated he WAS a war criminal, instead of the liberal nanby-pamby ways of saying "all charges dropped" because a verdict wasn't reached.

    In any case, Milosovic WAS a criminal, regardless of what the idiotic court says.

    Karadzic IS a criminal, and come on, justice be done and done quick ... let this loser rot in the cell, fed with the merest of food to keep it alive.

    December 1, 2009 at 4:46 pm | Reply
  65. Bosko Buha

    Well, I was born in Croatia. Ever since I was born, I have lived in different places, and until today, I have lived on 4 continents already. Unfortunately, I lived in Balcans during the ex.Yugoslav war. Tedd, I thank you for trying to tell the truth here based on your experiences.

    Have you people heard of the II world war? Do you know that hundreds of thousands of serbs and jews were killed in Balcans during that war by nazi germans and their croatian alies called "Ustase"? This was happening on the teritory of todays Croatia and Bosnia.

    Do you know that Balcans (including Serbia) was occupied by Turkey for as long as 500 (five hundred) years? Such a long time!!! Some people even converted to Islam (todays bosnian muslims). If interested, read a book called "The Bridge on the Drina River" by Ivo Andric – Nobel prize winner. Lots to learn about Bosnia in that book. Islamic regime was brutal. It takes a Nobel Prize winner to tell the story.....

    Do you know that muslim side (while stil a part of Yugoslavia) disregarded the opinion of Serbian people (serbs who were born and raised in Bosnia,) and voted for independence from Yugoslavia knowing that this is going to trigger a civil war in Bosnia? Muslim objectives were transparent enough (forming of a new Country in Europe where Islam would be the dominating religion) for serbian people and of course, 500 years of Islamic rule and II world war... That was all they needed to organize themselves in a Republic of Srpska.

    I always thought of Mr. Karadzic nothing but a president of serbian part of Bosnia and a person who tried to prevent another exodus of serbian people in Balcans. At least, that's how it all started.

    I however, believe that everyone who commited war crimes should be punished for it. If that is Mr. Karadzic, SO BE IT. But I know that there, right next to him, there should be more politicians from USA and Europe waiting to be prosecuted as well. Only that way, Hague and the Tribunal would be a respecteful institution.

    Best regards

    December 2, 2009 at 12:19 am | Reply
  66. "To Tedd"

    Dear "ToTedd" I was born in Bosnia, grew up in Bosnia, not went to war, not fought in war and I still live in Bosnia. I apologize to you for speaking about “the things that in Bosnia during the war”.

    I must tell you that everything you wrote in your comment is not a LIE. But most are.Bosnian serbs, croat and muslims are the victims of the recent war in Bosnia simply because of the fact that they were no prepared for the war and the fact that they believed in the peaceful solution of the conflict and at the end because of the fact that they were not armed(in the begining). On the other side there were the Bosnian serbs, croat and muslims, armed by the former Yugoslav Army, Croatian army and Arabic league and well instructed as well. The muslims, serbs and the croats had the plan. It was to ethnically clean the territories they thought should belong them. This operation included killing, displacing of all the non-serb, non muslims, non croats population. Izetbegovic(former muslim president,who should also be in Hague died after the war) was on top of this. This is the FACT – HISTORIC FACT. Of course "To Tedd" (or Armin) you can always deny those facts. You can also say that this was never happened. You can say that BRATUNAC never happened. I visited Bratunac this summer and talked to the survivors. Can you do that " ToTedd". Can you Armin do that. It would clear that foggy picture you have in your head.

    By the way, I can tell when a Slavic language speaking person writes English. You are not good at that "To Tedd". You should have left your real name. I am sure its Armin, or Alija or Naser.

    One more thing. Did you know that denying of genocide is actually the last step of it. The truth will set you free. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE AND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN

    December 2, 2009 at 12:12 pm | Reply

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