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Join the live debate: The new "code" for jihad

November 12th, 2009
06:05 PM ET

(CNN) - The leaders of one of the world's most effective jihadist organizations, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), have written a new "code" for jihad.

The new code, a 417-page religious document entitled "Corrective Studies," is the result of more than two years of intense and secret talks between the leaders of the LIFG and Libyan security officials. Read more about the code

The code's most direct challenge to al Qaeda is this: "Jihad has ethics and morals because it is for God. That means it is forbidden to kill women, children, elderly people, priests, messengers, traders and the like. Betrayal is prohibited and it is vital to keep promises and treat prisoners of war in a good way. Standing by those ethics is what distinguishes Muslims' jihad from the wars of other nations."

In essence the new code for jihad is exactly what the West has been waiting for: a credible challenge from within jihadist ranks to al Qaeda's ideology.

CNN's Nic Robertson was given access to the Libyan jail where the code was composed. Read more about Jihad inside Libya's terror jail and Watch a report about the spread of radical Islam in Britain

The code and the fight against radical Islam will be debated in tonight’s Connect the World live chat.

Send your questions and comments to CNN’s Nic Robertson - the debate starts at 1700ET/2200 GMT/2300 CET.

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  1. Dallas

    America and G.B. were founded on Christian beliefs. Christians will never allow these 2 countries to become Islamic states. There will never be a place for radical Islam. Maybe they should consider moving to Saudi Arabia or Iran.

    November 12, 2009 at 6:24 pm | Reply
  2. Nik Petersen

    I welcome the media coverage of Choudary. He is exactly what the British and Europeans need to open their eyes and to see what lies ahead. Europe's self-loathing-based hatred of the US will come back to haunt them. If the US is 5-10 years behind, European culture is 5-10 years closer to its grave.


    November 12, 2009 at 6:29 pm | Reply
  3. José Saraiva Pinto

    This is unfortunately the price we pay for being open to all, and that may prove to be our most fatal (and probably last) mistake.
    Not for being soft, but because modern society's apparently lack of direction and purpose is a harbour for those who wish for a more structured life, even at the price of freedom.

    It seems that liberty, and the law of the individual, are too much for some people to bear, and so prefer the slavery of an anachronical law to the burden of being accountable for your own actions and thought.

    Please don't let our freedom be highjacked be these people. The UK, and Europe, deserve all our efforts.
    The fight is no longer on the beaches and on the hills of any timeless Normandy or Agincourt, it's against those who use our liberty against us.

    November 12, 2009 at 6:32 pm | Reply
  4. Marcus

    Very very soon global jihad will be a serious problem not only in Europe but in South America too, my home. It's only question of time to see jihad actions happen here and people need to start now to discuss the problem.

    November 12, 2009 at 6:33 pm | Reply
  5. Mike C.

    This is conflict, between Islam and Christianity, has been raging for years and continues today.

    Where as Christianity springs from a prophet, peaceful man, and acceptance and love, Islam sprangs from Mohamad, who was a warrior, had killed many men, led armies and the philosophy is "and eye for an eye."

    If it had not been for the Crusades, Islam would have continued to spread through Europe and beyond.

    Where ever Islamic thought flourishes, Democratic thought and freedomis wiped out....

    November 12, 2009 at 6:35 pm | Reply
  6. Gerald (UK)

    It is incomprehensible that the uk government and some other european govts still do not fully appreciate the threat we face from radical islam. They still seem to be treating it as a casual law enforcement problem.
    By the time they realize that this is an existential threat to their countries, their political correctness would have led us to self-destruction!

    November 12, 2009 at 6:39 pm | Reply
  7. Shwan


    Hello my name is Shwan, i'm from London originally, (Kurdish, from Iraqi Kurdistan).
    My advice to the goverment is: try as much as it is possible to prevent them from spreading their religion. Wheter you put the rent high on their Mosque's, Taxing them on their book of lie's and most important of all keep an eye on their communication between the groups.

    Now i've seen this video and I can tell you if anyone would be talking like that about the royal family in Saudi Arabie, they would chop his head off. All I can say is look after the young Muslims that grow up in this society, they don't know anything about the content of their religion.
    They been tough to hate anyone else that is not Muslim, they been brainwashed. Let us try keep a sharp eye on the older radicals that are still alive by not giving their enough time and spaceand cool the youngers peoples mind down, in the most softest ways and sweetest.
    I definitely don't think this can reduce by presenting hate in the media uttermost like we see it this days, they will only be more in their defend and protect their religion even more, but let us hit their hearts with the truths.Showing them how great democracy can be. Comparing this countries with the rest of the Islamic countries and show them what has become of them.

    Thank you

    November 12, 2009 at 6:44 pm | Reply
  8. Nadim B

    You have KKK, Naziz etc , We have them ..
    Whats the diffrens

    November 12, 2009 at 6:46 pm | Reply
  9. Maitha Al-Mehairbi

    These people are kicked out of their home countries and Europe welcomes them with open arms. They should not allow entry for such radical people. They were harmful to their own countries, so how much damage would suppose they would inflict on a country that is not even their own?

    November 12, 2009 at 6:54 pm | Reply
  10. George Travers

    Britain is a Christian state and Islam is an alien way of life in comparison. Non-indigenous people living in this country should respect it's antecedents and observe their own religion quietly and with dignity. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

    November 12, 2009 at 6:57 pm | Reply
  11. Ross Mackay

    Ummm, prosecution under promotion of hatred, treason or sedition laws?

    November 12, 2009 at 7:00 pm | Reply
  12. philramble

    Take note of these happenings before it is too late. Let the emphasis be on peaceful coexistence and freedom of thought. Let better sense prevail.

    November 12, 2009 at 7:03 pm | Reply
  13. karth

    I do not force or compell or press anyone to believe in the concept of God, Religion, No God or No Religion in front humanity, I love humanity, I will die fighting to save the humanity from any force, be it God or Religion that acts against humanity, but will never fight for the concept of God or Religion.

    I want to say "A Doctor can save a dying Patient by Blood from a Donar".

    I never want to say "A (Hindu ) Doctor can save a dying (Muslim) Patient by Blood from a (Christian) Donar" , though a doctor is a Hindu,
    Patient is a Muslim and Donar is a Christian.

    November 12, 2009 at 7:04 pm | Reply
  14. MaryA

    With the 'anything goes' / there is no God western culture we are experiencing today, something has to change to bring mankind back to moral basics. God is no respecter of persons and will allow whoever and whatever it takes to bring us back to reality.

    November 12, 2009 at 7:06 pm | Reply
  15. victor

    All I know of those people is that I worked in the Mideast for 17 years, all I found was cockroaches everywhere, mentality between the two legged ones and the crawling ones is very little difference, Ok, so you won't publish this but that;s ok, now at least you know what they really are..Anyone who goes around practicing terrorism to kill Innocent people because big Allah said so, sure can't put brains into first gear!

    November 12, 2009 at 7:10 pm | Reply
  16. Scott

    Radical Islam must be stopped in its tracks. Radical Islamist openly admit to a willingness to kill people to meet their political objectives.

    They are an enemy to all free societies and they must be exterminated where ever they appear.

    We must fight fire with fire!

    November 12, 2009 at 7:11 pm | Reply
  17. José

    I think it should´t be allowed unless we are allowed to convert Muslims into Christians in their countries of origin, now days only trying to do so has a death penalty behind it in their countries of origin, they come here and feel ofended because there is a crucifix in a classroom but if you wear one in their countries you will be punished...

    So what is fair is fair don´t you think...

    November 12, 2009 at 7:12 pm | Reply
  18. Claus Lynge

    One saddens to hear these comments trying to turn people – who fled from theocratic societies in the Middle East – away from a Western free society based on more than 300 years of personal struggle to create the emancipated and vivid environment we all enjoy in our part of the world. I think we all need to focus on how to build stable societies in the Middle East that are able to sustain their own populations enabling these nations to meet material and political needs of today. Where are the brave young muslim men and woman to lead this crusade through action instead of victimized and aggressive rhetorics? They should refocus and spend energy in improving the situations in their own environment based on a positive vision. The way of how.

    November 12, 2009 at 7:14 pm | Reply
  19. Steven T.

    Amazing story about how children become terrorists and hopefully, change.


    November 12, 2009 at 7:18 pm | Reply
  20. Jon Robertson

    Having fought these criminals in Afghanistan the only solution is to deprt them back to wherever it is they OR their families originated.
    ANY prospective immigrants should be required to sign a guarantee that SHOULD they ever start to advocate anything that smacks of sedition or that is in conflict with the laws of the country that they are subjec to immediate deportation without appeal.Should the country they originated in refuse entry then they will be confined for the rest of their lives in conditions similar to those you would find in the country of origin.Same diet and conditions too.
    The problem is that every lieberal bleeding heart moron would start screaming that these islamic "activists"are being discriminated against and want them released.WHO do you think the first casualties would be IF the islamists took over ?Didn't V.I.Lenin call them "useful idiots" or something similar ?

    November 12, 2009 at 7:23 pm | Reply
  21. James

    Anyone who supports terrorism is not a Muslim! Anyone who incites violence should be arrested. Fortunately the number of moderate Muslims outnumber the extremists by far. CNN or any of the other networks aren't too keen on covering their stories. It can't sell ad space that way I guess.

    November 12, 2009 at 7:23 pm | Reply
  22. derek champfler

    What do I make of this movement?? I will tell you: ISLAM is NOT a "religion" as the West understands the term. Even the most formerly Liberal societies have mostly shut their doors to Islamic immigration, facing terror threats from within (e.g. Holland, Denmark....Sweden has a HUGE domestic problem, firemen and police need protection to enter certain areas of Malmo). Islamic Terror today rages in some 15 or so nations around the globe. Islam is not really a religion, but a TOTAL system that is SUPREMACIST and Totalitarian. After 9/11, one astute U.S. politician said: "The Constitution Was Not a Suicide Pact." It is time for the LION of the West to confront Islam dead-on and to INSIST upon changes in its fundamental, totalitarian laws. Mosques should ALL be monitored by Western governments, Islamists will use EVERY weakness they find in open Western democracies to try to destroy them and ultimately attempt to dominate them. I am NOT paranoid...but I DO understand the aims of Islam today and I DO know that the masses of Western societies are asleep. They also have allowed Islam to chip away at our Constitution and freedom, particularly freedom of speech, through death threats, etc. Islam sees all of this as a WAR it will win–even if it takes 500 years. The extent of BLINDNESS to Islamic Dogma (Islam is Theocratic, Democracies are anathema to it) is Enormous. So much so that we still hear that "authorities" at Ft. Hood are "looking for a motive" in Hasan's serial killing spree. All of this while he has a documented history of support for homicidal Jihad and muttered "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great, the Islamic death chant) while pulling the trigger on his helpless victims.
    We will come to the point where Islam may be banned in certain societies as a violent movement that seeks to destroy democracies. Remember–it has NOT been the "uneducated" Muslim who had plotted mass murder. Many have been highly educated–as Hasan said, "I am a Muslim first, then an American." Those who carried out the London mass murder were British born, given all the social benefits of British society. Being politically correct will only result in many future deaths of Americans.

    November 12, 2009 at 7:45 pm | Reply
  23. Ashley Barnaby

    It is obviously a very worrying development, especially given the indifference with which many of these views have been met by politicians in the West. It is important to recognise that there exists an extraordinarily wide range of radical Islamist groups, from those who espouse violence against the ‘enemies of Islam’ to those who may in theory disavow violence but who nevertheless are ideologically radical and continue to advocate the creation of an Islamic caliphate which would in essence ‘rule the world.’ Western leaders have often sought ‘non-violent’ allies in the so-called war against terror, but in the process have failed to recognise that they have cozied up to ideological radicals, many of whom eventually make the small leap from ideological radical to violent radical.
    The UK and other western European countries need to recognise that the reason such groups have even made it over to the West to begin with, where they are able to disseminate their ideas as openly and as freely as they like, is because they were banned from doing so in their home countries where they were considered a threat. Thanks to our liberal values of freedom of thought and freedom of expression, these groups are exploiting the freedoms we have given them, while simultaneously working to undermine them. Even those who for now claim to support democracy and individual liberties are often operating under the concept of taqqiyah, which is a religiously-sanctioned form of, essentially, ‘lying to get their own way.’ Once their mission succeeds, they will disavow all the freedoms we hold so dear in the West.
    The UK above all needs to wake up from its dangerous slumber and join the ranks of countries that have banned radical groups such as Hizb ut-Tahrir; the fact that HT is still active and spreading in the UK is by all accounts a disgrace. The United States may go a bit far in its programme of surveillance of suspected terrorists and radicals, but it is nevertheless on the right track. We need to be vigilant and appreciate that there may very well be a good reason why some of these groups were banned back at home, in countries that share similar, if not identical, religious values. We need to employ highly acclaimed Islamic scholars and experts, who are able to spot a radical Islamist from a mile away, and who recognize the danger the West currently faces. Above all, we need to stop cozying up to ideological radicals who may for all we know be practicing taqqiyah and prevent the complete dissemination of these groups’ ideas and messages. For us to extend to them the freedoms they ultimately seek to undermine, is ludicrous at best.

    November 12, 2009 at 7:49 pm | Reply
  24. Therese

    Religion is the opiate of the masses. It has no place in any modern democratic society in any country.

    November 12, 2009 at 7:53 pm | Reply
  25. Gabor

    We need laws that protect our western culture. If we don´t pull the breaks now the not muslim people in the western world are going to loose a large part of their freedom in the next 1 or 2 generations. This might require changes in law such as freedom of speech to the disadvantage of radical muslims.

    November 12, 2009 at 8:16 pm | Reply
  26. Michel

    Within the span of 70 years, Lebanon has gone from being peaceful country with a Christian majority, to an unstable country under to total control of Hizbollah. So many Christians have fled the country that they barely make a third of the population. This is the price that Lebanon is paying for being weak against radical Islam. A word of advice to Europe: Be assertive against radical Islam or end up like Lebanon, sooner or later, slowly but surely.

    November 12, 2009 at 8:40 pm | Reply
  27. Shadysider

    To look at this strictly as an academic, it is encouraging that some radicals see the folly of the use of their violence against innocent individuals. On the other hand, it is discouraging because they are attempting to legitimize the jihadist culture. Now, if they weren't looking to impose their culture on everyone and kept to themselves that would be one thing, but as they are attempting to overthrow governments and have them subjugated to their own strict religious views and life-style that is a problem. This is true of all three monotheistic religions over the course of time. It is not just Islam.

    November 12, 2009 at 9:07 pm | Reply
  28. Russell

    Mike C. you should not falsely blame someone you never know and Don't forget Jesus Christ is an important prophet for Muslims too, If GOD want ISLAM will be spreaded and it can happen without radical
    muslims. Ask yourself, you sounded like a radicalized christian too and its never gonna help you, thanks !

    November 12, 2009 at 9:30 pm | Reply
  29. Zebe

    Evenif al Qaeda is a treat for the world, I believe news Agencies like CNN, Algezira are the main catalyst .

    November 12, 2009 at 9:35 pm | Reply
  30. Canada

    There are way too many hateful comments on this page. There is NO war between Christianity, and Islam. Secular Islamic states like Turkey are our allies ion NATO, they are a peaceful, modern, industrializing nation that is dealing with its mistakes of the past; Armenia and the Kurds, and will be producing for the USA and her allies the F-35 Lightening (possibly the worlds best fighter jet). Egypt has 80million people, mostly Muslim, a budding Democracy that I'm sure wil only grow better in the future – less coruption – they're also our friend. In short, while there are fundamental flaws in Islam – Its not secular, very sexist to women, and it violates numerous human rights – the fact is that most of the 1billion strong Muslim world practice moderate Islam which only mildly offends peoples human rights, their governments are becoming increasingly secular, and rules that previosly penalized women are being ignored more and more in these modern times. Even in Iran the Reformist movement, which seeks to open up the Islamic Republic of Iran(Persia), has almost won the support of the majority; when that happens Iran will cease to be a nuclear threat and slowly begin trading with the rest of the world (ie. they'll start playing ball). Lastly, Islam is at its core a peaceful religion(despite its initial spread) and is very similar to Christianty. The vast majority of Muslims want the same things everyone else wants: to be givin the opportunity to become educated; to find decent work; to get married and have children; to live a good life.

    November 12, 2009 at 9:59 pm | Reply
  31. Ugo

    You cannot start drawing parallel between African Americans and the Muslim/Asia Immigrants in Britain. African Americans are as Americans as their white or Caucasian counterparts. Not only did the two races come to American at the same time (albeit in different boats), African Americans cultivated the entire plantation without pay and built America for what we see and enjoy today.
    M It’s really insulting to state that the African Americans have ‘integrated in the past 2 generations’, if I heard you well. Just as the former ambassador said, American land is their (African American) land. However that can’t be said to those immigrants in Britain – needless to teach you history lesson on Britain but suffice to say America we know today is about 250years old and its plantation including the white house was built by African Americans. African Americans started to convert to Muslim as a way of reclaiming what they felt they lost during slavery. I am shocked that as a journalist, you sound rather uneducated on this topic which surprises me – sorry.
    I am an African British of Nigerian Extraction.

    November 12, 2009 at 10:01 pm | Reply
  32. Canada

    PS in my earlier comment I did not mean to imply that just because Islam, in the majority of Islamic countries, 'only mildly offends peoples human rights' that this is in any way acceptable. I merely wished to convey the reality that Islam is improving on its human rights record and that there is a positive movement in Islam toward honoring human rights.
    Also, education is increasing, as is the level of modern infrastructure in many Muslim countries, these things will lead to better standards of living, less poverty, and a reduction to elimination of radical islamists in those countries that are developing; most of the islamic world!
    Lastly, and this can be added to any comment, with Obama in the White House, the futures looking brighter everyday.

    November 12, 2009 at 10:10 pm | Reply
  33. dede

    A great coverage indeed. The battle against radical Islam is battle of ideology. Fighting a physical war in Afghanistan will only slow down the radicalization but it wont kill the process. More effort is needed to fight this false ideology and this cannot be achieve by just sending more troops to Afghanistan. We have to eliminate the "fuel" that keeps radical Islam burning. What's the fuel,well there are many debatable answers but the main issue i believe is the plight of the Palestinian that many in the Muslim world are concerned with. Btw im offended by the comment given by Mike C but its ok probably his learned or taught or read the radical version of Islam. I just hope that people will be more thoughtful of their comments.Commenting negatively on one religion you don't really understand is not helpful.

    November 12, 2009 at 10:34 pm | Reply
  34. nying64

    No true God teaches hate and killing. It is us the mortal that is so worry about our own greed and survival.

    November 12, 2009 at 10:54 pm | Reply
  35. Ian, Salt Lake City, UT

    We did exactly what Al Qaeda wanted, which was to send troops into Afghanistan. They got a bonus with Iraq. These wars will eventually turn into a wake up call for the United States and it's people, but it doesn't look like anytime soon. It's pretty sad to see Modern Warfare 2 the best selling videogame in U.S. Right now all we are is a war machine. We can't do anything else, and what we are doing, we're not doing that great. Good luck to us, yeah?

    November 12, 2009 at 11:00 pm | Reply
  36. Dan Reed

    Muslims, Christians and Jews all pray to the God of Ibrahim/Abraham/Avram... the sooner we accept that everyone is arguing and killing each other over different paths to the same destination the sooner we make war/jihad obsolete. Teach our children and ourselves to be open minded to all paths... even science. This will prove to be the strongest weapon against the fear in our hearts.

    November 12, 2009 at 11:16 pm | Reply
  37. Muhammad

    A "true" Muslim is one who distinguishes between a Muslim and an infidel, and is made to understand he/she is superior to non-Muslims. In Britain this is OK under "community cohesion" as long as you are Muslim, but tough luck if you happen to be of some other "unimportant" faith and apply this to Islam itself. Infidel is a kind of a derogatory term, although Muslims will not say it, but if you look at the context surrounding the mentioning of "infidel" it clearly sounds derogatory. Same for Muslims' superiority over non-Muslims if you look at the context of the discussion taking place within "Muslim only" gatherings.

    Remember a "moderate" Muslim is good because he/she is a bit far from Islam. But it does not take more than few days from being "moderate" to a "true" one. It's a one way ticket. Moderate to extremist (true) but unfortunately not vise versa.

    Clearly Islamic understanding of how the world should be deemed as "right" is quite the opposite of what is established by modern law. My view on Islam: "No thanks, I'll pass."

    November 12, 2009 at 11:39 pm | Reply
  38. kaissy

    Western countries should deploy marshal law to all muslim radicals and those who support terrorism. Those governments should try founding security branches, like state security and political security which are very effective in arab countries. Their job is to arrest anyone with radical islamic beliefs. That way the West would have a full grip on these terrorists. Next step would be to send them home. And most importantly never forget 9/11, and expect more to happen if measures are not taken.
    I live in an arab country and we were victims of terrorism thirty years ago, but we crushed their uprising and executed anyone working with them, the world is better without their existance.
    What do you do if someone is threatening to kill you, without talking or debating with you because he does'nt acknowledge your right to exist?

    November 13, 2009 at 12:19 am | Reply
  39. ling min

    i blame the existance of Al qaeda and taliban on the west.

    after all they gave birth to them.

    November 13, 2009 at 2:11 am | Reply
  40. Dan

    America was founded on Christian beliefs - killing people who oppress you. Just like Jesus did to the occupying Romans in his time.

    November 13, 2009 at 3:41 am | Reply
  41. Ola

    Why are we celebrating a new code for war when concerted effort should be put on reducing and if possible eliminating wars. Can we not put our minds to finding ways of accommodating our differences and resolving our disputes, which to me sounds positive. is this not a signal to other groups, be it religious or otherwise, to come out with their own code for war. It is indeed a crazy world we now live him.

    November 13, 2009 at 5:44 pm | Reply
  42. mohamed

    firstly im moroccan student in france and i see all time cnn international so :

    -if these people are extremist , why usa and britain allow them to enter ?
    -who help the raise of wahhabi and salafi sect ? it's not britain , usa , saudi arabia and pakistan ?

    – every day , 1000 story and i hear every time this word "islam" "islamist" ...
    you don't have some other things to show ?

    -muslim are differents from a country to other , the tatar russian muslim is not like the south african muslim ......

    im not here to bow to people and say im sorry abou these extremist because i don't care , but as human , liberal and open minded im against any form of hate and violence


    November 14, 2009 at 1:24 am | Reply
  43. ED

    You cannot grant freedom to the person who wants to take your away and actively works to do so.

    Monitor the imams and imprison those who preach the overthrow of the government. Let them decide if they value their standard of living or their hate-filled message. Let's see if we can find a cold wet rock they can go to live on.

    Make a few martyrs. In the long run they don't last, because people want peace and tranquility. When the crazies are gone, the regular folks can take control of the religious institutions.

    November 17, 2009 at 6:35 pm | Reply

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