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Revenge punishment - does it work?

December 29th, 2009
11:35 AM ET

Fazeelat Bibi used to be the family jokester, but a chilling act of violence ruined the 22-year-old’s face, destroyed her life and killed her spirit.

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caption="Fazeelat rarely ventures out of her house after the attack."]

It all happened in a small village outside of Lahore, Pakistan. Her attackers live right across the street from her house - and are family.

Her cousin Sher Mohammed wanted to marry her, but Fazeelat’s elder sister was already married into the family and was being mistreated so she rejected the marriage proposal.

A month and a half after the proposal, Fazeelat was on her way home with her brother and elderly father when she was suddenly attacked.

"Five people jumped out of the crops and I recognized them and I begged them not to beat me, but they said they were going to kill me," Fazeelat said.

One of her attackers was Sher Mohammed – the man who wanted to be her husband. During the attack, Fazeelat's nose was sliced off and her ear was slashed.

Police have so far arrested three of her five assailants, including Sher Mohammed.

The judge who ruled the case ordered that Fazeelat's attackers be subjected to the same mutilation. They were also ordered to serve life in prison and pay a fine equivalent to $8,300.

What are your thoughts on this controversial story?

Do you think it's fair that her attackers got the same punishment that Fazeelat was subjected to? Does it deter people from choosing violence or do you think it will make revenge related crimes more common? Does an eye for an eye work?

Please leave your comments below.

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  1. Angel

    I believe in an eye for an eye.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:01 pm | Reply
  2. Nick

    I think the judge is doing the exact right thing. That's the only way violence can be deterred.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  3. Shoghig

    Not exacyly the same punishment should be imposed- just to avoid the application of "an eye for an eye" and avoid having a jungle of revenges in the world. ( not more than the present disorder at least).

    December 29, 2009 at 2:08 pm | Reply
  4. Julian Vigo, New York City

    I think that CNN should give these attackers the same media coverage. What I mean by this is that since about eight years, we are getting one image after the other of violence committed against women by men only within the Muslim world. One could easily believe that these are common incidents (they are not), that they are condoned by these societies (they are not), or that the attackers were given light sentences ( life in prison is hardly "light"). Why does CNN pervert the reality of life in the Muslim world I wonder and why does CNN not give the same treatment to, say, the United States. Does CNN run this type of story and "comment section" after the brutal gang rape of a schoolgirl just outside her school two months ago? No. Will those rapists get anything nearly as tough a sentence as life in prison? Of course not. The average sentence for rape across all states in the USA is 8 years. The very common crime of rape in the USA being punished so lightly, ought to be much more of concern than a life sentence for the uncommon act of mutilation in the Muslim world.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:08 pm | Reply
  5. shamanda

    so sad

    December 29, 2009 at 2:08 pm | Reply
  6. eyeforaneye

    Eye for an eye might be harsh, but it'll make people think a little more about their actions.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:09 pm | Reply
  7. Arthey Nutz

    That's just plain barbaric.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:11 pm | Reply
  8. Zach in a prism

    It's cases like these that define what human being are, and what societies we will create. It's our most difficult challenge to look directly at evil, and to hold onto our highest selves. But it's our actions in such instances by which we draw our character. Revenge does not move forward, it moves deeper into darkness. As much as we want to do likewise to the most barbaric of our kind, don't we want a higher humanity more? What should the punishment be for these people who are less than men? But them in a zoo. Put them in cages and on display for all to see, to allow us to observe what we choose not to be.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:11 pm | Reply
  9. Asad

    Yes it is right. Strong punishments are required to act as a deterrent. Leniency would encourage others to take the law in their own hand, when they would know that not much punishment awaits them, in case they are convicted.

    But along side this, proper security should also be provided to the aggrieved family to save them from further violence. Also, proper counseling should be provided to both families in order to douse this fire of hatred.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:11 pm | Reply
  10. Woody

    Americans are very insular, and a little smug, in believing that people in other cultures act and think just as we do; however, they often don't. The effectiveness of the punishment must be considered in terms of their beliefs, not ours. These men will, for the rest of their lives, be walking advertisments that mistreatment of women is no longer permissable. It should have an effect on those who still live in a tribal culture that encourages "honor killings" and otherwise degrades women.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:15 pm | Reply
  11. LizardMom

    How can a person from a Judeo-Christian society where we value freedom and justice even make a comment on such brutality? That she was mutilated in the first place because she refused to marry is unthinkable in our world. The treatment of women in Moslem countries is absolutely horrible, and no comment of mine will change that. Forgive me for being ethnocentric, but these heinous crimes against women needs to stop!

    December 29, 2009 at 2:15 pm | Reply
  12. kiwi1

    Eye-for-an-eye is momentarily satisfying but ultimately just perpetuates the primitive barbarism. If we claim to be "civilized" we cannot behave in such a savage manner.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:16 pm | Reply
  13. Herb Richman

    There are two things they teach you about violence in guru school. First, an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind; second, never, ever watch the bottle.

    From the Love Guru

    December 29, 2009 at 2:17 pm | Reply
  14. HGC

    Sad, yes. At the same time, I agree with what Julian said. The U.S. media camera is far from balanced and not even in the vicinity of judicious. One can do almost anything in the United States and essentially get away with it. Incredibly sad. Incredibly unfair. Incredibly unjust. And not looking likely to change much.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Reply
  15. Andreas

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

    December 29, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Reply
  16. Ryan

    I can understand having to serve life in prison for this but the mutilation part is not right; we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard than those criminals and not use the justice system simply for revenge. It was a horrible act they committed but I still can't imagine mutilating them as a form of punishment, the idea is barbaric and we should be beyond that. If attacking someone and injuring them is immoral and wrong then it should be wrong for all parties.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:20 pm | Reply
  17. Woody

    May I correct the misspelled words in my comment?

    advertisement and permissible?

    Thank you – my fingers were faster than my brain.


    December 29, 2009 at 2:22 pm | Reply
  18. Ruth

    What about rehabilitation. Can modern medicine help restructure her face? Does that kind of punishment work? If it is in practice in that part of the world obviously it doesn't or this wouldn't have happened.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:22 pm | Reply
  19. Dylan

    i do feel that the ruling was a just one. I do also however feel that an eye for an eye judgment may be a judgment based in past practices. we have all heard the "eye for an eye and all will be blind" quote, this doesnt excuse the group as they must have at some point calculated their intentions before the crime, and for this reason i believe the eye for an eye judgment to be fair.

    This does however bring a vigilante theme into society, which may spur revenge crimes, but i believe that as long as police and the people within the community understand that the perpertrators have been dealt with presently and for some time to come (life sentence in this case) then people within the community will feel safer and hence more peaceful and alot less needy to resovle an issue in violence.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:23 pm | Reply
  20. Roman M. Ruiz

    Really a sad situation but I agree with Eyeforaneye, comments.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:26 pm | Reply
  21. Avery

    This case reflects the much larger problem faced by US and NATO troops in Afghanistan: in most areas there aren't any jails or detention facilities, let alone a judicial system based on rules and standard punishments that are understood by all citizens.

    As a consequence this kind of haphazard "justice" feeds into the idea of perpetuating violence, which makes the horrors of the Taliban more acceptable to the populace there. They are resigned to this kind of treatment.

    US and NATO troops are trying to show a better way, yet it's tough in the absence of jails or criminal courts. The "eye for an eye" mindset has been in place for thousands of years there to what end? A hyper-violent and corrupt place on earth, not even a nation in the traditional sense.

    I'm no pacifist by any stretch of the imagination, I say kill the terrorists outright and also lock up criminals like these animals for a long, long time. But, to have "authorities" seen dishing out this kind of physical punishment isn't going to solve the much larger problems of terrorism, crime, and and horrific abuse of women in Afghanistan.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:26 pm | Reply
  22. Amy

    I think this eye for an eye punishment is exactly what they need, it means giving those bastards the taste of their own medicine. With a good punishment like this other people will think twice before committing any crime.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:27 pm | Reply
  23. jim

    Two wrongs make a right ???

    December 29, 2009 at 2:27 pm | Reply
  24. Oko ati Obo

    I think an eye for an eye is perfect justice. It is always funny how people jump to the side of the attacker when the time for him to get his punishment comes. If you think it is barbaric to get your nose cut off as a punishment, then don't cut other people's noses too.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:28 pm | Reply
  25. Mike

    It is the best deterance possible.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:29 pm | Reply
  26. Chris

    Jesus spoke against an eye for an eye, so it is wrong

    December 29, 2009 at 2:29 pm | Reply
  27. Zach in a prism

    Sorry, corrected with improvements. We must start thinking differently.

    It's cases like these that define what human beings are, and what societies we will create. It's our most difficult challenge to look directly at evil and manage to hold onto our highest selves. But it's our actions in such instances by which we draw our character. Revenge does not move forward, it moves deeper into darkness. As much as we want to give measure to the most barbaric of us, don't we want a higher humanity even more? What should the punishment be for these people, who are less than men? Put them in a zoo. Put them in cages and on display for all to see, to allow us to observe what we choose not to be.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:31 pm | Reply
  28. Dani

    Unless this woman can get some form of plastic surgery her life is basically gone. Sure, she will live and do a great deal of things but in a culture where marriage is so important this woman has no hope for a "normal" future within her culture. If the men did NOT have the same "eye-for-an-eye" punishment then they would never know what it is like to have this done to them. The old saying of "walk a mile in my shoes" comes to mind. Still, I believe the sentence handed down is to make people think a little more before acting on something here and to be a deterence for future crimes of this nature.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:32 pm | Reply
  29. Fallon

    Yes I think they deserve the same punishment and more.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:33 pm | Reply
  30. B

    I like the eye for an eye idea, but maybe something else could be removed instead that would not be so immediately noticeable to the public when and if they are released.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:33 pm | Reply
  31. Francis Blair

    Think this is an excellent punishment...it's the nearest thing you could get to a just punishment. It will make 'people' think twice.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Reply
  32. Martin Wik Fowler (16)

    This applies to the death sentence as well; you punish someone for violating the law, by doing the exact same thing. It is wrong, and inhumane. This goes for the United States as well; the government punishes criminals for homicide, by killing them. Alternative punishments must be found if we wish to bring crime levels down.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:35 pm | Reply
  33. Aso Kurdistani

    First of all I would like to say that if I were that poor innocent girl's brother, I would not blink a second before I could kill of the bloody attackers because the issue of attacking itself is so criminal that even GOD (my GOD though) will permit punshing these criminals severely and gladly publicly in order to give similar minded ravagers a historical and unforgetable lesson. Yes. I do strongly delieve that her attackers, all of them, must be definitely punished accordingly. The most stupid and uncivilized aspect of this criminal behaviour is that these dirty, uneducated, and in the most cases ugly boys do believe that they must use force to get married with whomever they might consider to fit into their narrow-minded world of sex-fantasies without thinking about at least those nice days, short after they have married such a girls, when they due to economic poverty have to, in the most cases they'll really do as statistics have shown, leave such beautiful wives in order to make a living but don't relaize that such a wives will revenge by sleeping with some local boys/men. And this is not the act of prostitution och cheating at all. This is just a matter of revenge in order to pay back for the sake of feel good inside and say: Hi bloody husband wherever you're now, here are what you deserved and would get because you forced me through your hell as an unwanted husband!

    December 29, 2009 at 2:38 pm | Reply
  34. Florian Qendro

    This was horrid act. In most situations an eye for an eye isn't so necessary. However due to the stigma attached with her her face being mutilated, she will not have a happy and normal life, and all hopes for that were taken from her the moment they sliced her nose and ears. I do believe that they should have either gotten life in prison or the same punishment of what they did to her. Deeply saddens me to read such things occurring elsewhere.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:40 pm | Reply
  35. Anwar Hawk

    off-course those who take other people nose their nose also be taken off. so he could also feel how the victim person is living in this world. it also teach other people and also give the warning to other people that if you do such thing, same would wait for you. it would help to prevent the crime.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:41 pm | Reply
  36. Tom

    I think 2 eyes for 1 eye.. If you poke 1 of my eyes out, you get both of yours poked out because you started it. But only the judicial system can only have that right. That way, we get justice and order at the same time.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:47 pm | Reply
  37. Rosalind

    I do believe that in this case the punishment is just and will hopefully serve to send the right signals to the rest of the society it was committed in. This heinous crime was not carried out on the spur of the moment but rather was a planned act and as such should be dealt with as harshly as allowed by the law of the country it was committed in.
    Unfortunately, in view of the general standing of women and the treatment thereof in these countries, I am not holding my breath!

    December 29, 2009 at 2:47 pm | Reply
  38. md

    I believe in an eye for an eye.I think the judge is doing the exact right thing next time the other criminal will not commit such crime he will know that he is going to have the same fate,

    December 29, 2009 at 2:47 pm | Reply
  39. Simon Kurt

    This is simply terrible. 'Eye for an eye' might be the way to go, allthough I suggest to cut off their eyelids, so that those barbarians always have to see what they did to her.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:50 pm | Reply
  40. Claudette Gunness

    Yes the judge was right. The person who did this MUST suffer the same fate. Or just hang them. Yes I would feel better if I was her. I feel very sorry for this girl. This man has destroyed her face and her self esteem and confidence. Does anyone know how it feels to look in the mirror and see that your face is changed ? If she did not want to be married ingto abuse WHY destroy her? She would have suffered worse had she married that monster. Something has to change with these societies. It has to stop. NO means no. There are some sick people out there and they use culture and religion when it suits them.
    He should suffer an even worse fate than her.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:52 pm | Reply
  41. Sara

    An eye for an eye is fair. Men like that do crimes like that becuase they won't have to live with the life affects the disfiguration leaves. So, I think they deserve it. To alter someone's life so drastically and to cause her chances for marriage in a society that puts so much weight on marriage, they also deserve the punishment not just life in prison. Its fair. Don't do the crime if you can't handle the punishment.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:53 pm | Reply
  42. Zac

    In a society where women are treated unfairly and equality is off balance, this is fair and those men will be made an example of. Government will overrule tradition. I strongly agree with the capital punishment.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Reply
  43. MrTau

    I think that the judge must send her attackers on a death row.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Reply
  44. Fred

    Typical cowards anda cowardly act to attack a young girl. I say that they should have their genitals removed in a public forum to serve as a message to all the other cowards who attach young defenseless girls.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Reply
  45. Zach

    Punishments should teach higher values. They should not be partners to the cycle of violence.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Reply
  46. MA

    It seems that CNN have missed the part where it says that the judgement is mainly symbolic and the mutilation of perpetrators will be overturned at an appeal hearing. So let's not get too hot and bothered about the "just" punishment and its cultural and religious relevance.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:00 pm | Reply
  47. patrick

    may God have mercy on there souls

    December 29, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Reply
  48. Jeff

    Yes – and we should apply the same approach in the US.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:02 pm | Reply
  49. cucha

    I believe in an eye for an eye. They should have for them the same compassion they had for her - none. They should be castrated.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:05 pm | Reply
  50. Inna

    Yes i think the perpetrators of the crime should be punished by being mutilated the same way they did the victim. And i believe the 'eye for an eye' punishment style would deter others.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:05 pm | Reply
  51. Sam Shoaie

    It is like putting out fire with fire! In a civilized world, if you are disrespected from human and social rights, the response to it shows one's personal attitude and personality and further the way that society thinks. Destruction cannot be built with similar reaction. It might not relieve the person hurt and their family, but looking at the bigger picture, one must see the consequences of encouraging rage and anarchy of mind. We in Persia have a popular verse from our great poet "Hafez";

    آسايش دو گيتي تفسير اين دو حرف است : با دوستان مروت و با دشمنان مدارا

    Meaning – The peace for both world can be explained in this: kindness to the friend and tolerance for the foe.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:07 pm | Reply
  52. VS

    Make them work in jail and whatever they earn from work should go towards payment of restoration of disfigured body part including cost of surgery and liviing expences until she gets her face fully restored. They should not be allowed to use their money to pay for it. Money to be used should come only from work in jail. They will loose their precious lifetime in jail equivalent to what woman is loosing behind veil due to their act and also pay to correct their mistake. At the same they will not be able to use their own money which will give a message that it doesn't matter how wealthy you are, you can not reverse the mistake you committed.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:09 pm | Reply
  53. Chris Johnson

    Yes they deserve every bit of punishment. I wish it was like that in the USA. Talk about crime rates dropping. The punishment very rarely ever fits the crime in the United States. Most of the criminals get sent to prison where it costs taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:10 pm | Reply
  54. Nasir Khan

    It was a pre-meditated group attack, so this is a crime of a first degree.
    However, I think in this case the perpetrators should serve at least 10 years with no parole (that will keep themaway from society) but more importantly the judge should impose an on going fine, the money from which should be used to provide a prosthetic nose for the victim. Even if it means selling off everything the perpetrators own.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Reply
  55. D.A.

    The term "revenge" punishment is a misnomer. Many punishments meted out in the US can be seen as a sort of revenge too. What this is is 'reciprocative' punishment.

    The premise of the system in question is that injustice prevails so long as the criminally deviant can do something to innocent people and never be subjected to similar cruelty. Think of it this way - Imagine if you were the attacker, and you wanted to seriously repent your actions. That is, let us assume that the criminal is capable of possessing human dignity. In that case, wouldn't you, no, shouldn't you, be willing to be subject to the same act of cruelty you did unto others? Otherwise, you cannot be seriously repenting, if you think it's fair that you shouldn't have to pay the same price the victim did, when you are a guilty man and she is innocent.

    When Scripture speaks against an eye for an eye, it speaks against escalating violence and hatred. This shouldn't be confused with reciprocative punishment, where the criminal is punished AS IF he were repenting his crimes/sins by flagellating himself with the very same, as he should be. Furthermore, it should be the victim's right to spare the attackers. It's not just Christianity which preaches forgiveness, but who's the judge to forgive where the victim does not?

    December 29, 2009 at 3:12 pm | Reply
  56. abraham

    Have the attackers pay to form a new nose for the girl and put them in prison for a long time . amen

    December 29, 2009 at 3:16 pm | Reply
  57. JP Beauchamp

    It is a sad reality that there are parts of the world where men in particular feel intitled to express their anger towards women and their fanatical beliefs in the most violent manner. From honor killings to the mutilation of women by spraying them with acid, to what happened to this unfortunate girl to human suicide bombs. The last time we heard of a systematic belief system that condones this tipe of behaviour was by the Japanese during the second world war, as pilots dove their planes to their death in a sacrificial offering to their leader and their God.This kind of inbred behaviour is more than an isolated event, as the evidency clearly shows all over the world. The fact that it happens in the Muslim world by normal and sometimes educated people and not by deranged individuals, is a sad reality that Muslims have to deal with. This insistance to remain in the past and disregard the rules of a developped civilization is evidenced not only in remote Afghan and Pakistani villages by uneducated farmers but in the western world as educated professionals immigrate.

    Although barbaric, sometimes when you are dealing with wolfes you have to behave like a wolfe. Given the environment, only an eye for an eye sends the unequivocable message that what you perpetrate will be done onto you. Then again, who knows if they will not consider their punishment as a validation of their act and wear it as a medal of honor.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:16 pm | Reply
  58. paul

    Welcome to the land of the barbarians. They also have been known to throw acid in women's faces to ruin their appearance. I'm surprised the judge punished the attackers at all. Its not uncommon for women to be blamed in these types of cases.
    Eye for an eye justice works in this part of world. They don't have our "sophisticated" views on individual liberty and women's rights. So, if you can't convince the barbarians that this is wrong. You have to at least convince them that whatever horrors they inflict on their neighbors will be visited upon them.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:16 pm | Reply
  59. abraham

    have the attackers pay to form a new nose for the girl and put them in prison for a long time....... amen

    December 29, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Reply
  60. Chaitanya

    Yes, it wil work. In countries where prison terms are given and cancelled at will, where bail is always anticipatory – an eye for an eye, or I would say public torture, is the best way to deter such crimes in the future

    December 29, 2009 at 3:18 pm | Reply
  61. Andrew

    An eye for an eye is just another way of saying 'revenge'. Why not permit lynch mobs while we are at it? The people who think an eye for an eye is a significant deterrent are kidding themselves. If it served as a deterrent none of these things would happen in the first place because the 'deterrent' would have been working to deter others.

    The whole eye for an eye concept perpetuates the cycle of violence and stems from people thinking emotionally rather than rationally. Some people seem to think that cutting of these guys noses will make them think, "Oops well weren't we naughty'. If the perpertrators thought like the eye-for-an-eye exponents wouldn't they would want revenge themselves for having their noses cut off too?

    The general public are about as qualified to comment on the theories of criminal justice as a janitor is qualified to perform neurosurgery.

    You can't improve human rights by violating human rights.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:20 pm | Reply
  62. DADA TOMMY, norway

    The way you act determines how others react , however cutting off their noses is not humane. live inprisonment is enough for them.They are dogs in human flesh.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:25 pm | Reply
  63. wnago

    I agree with you Tom, I like your comments

    December 29, 2009 at 3:26 pm | Reply
  64. RandomKid

    Why wouldnt someone love her the same

    December 29, 2009 at 3:28 pm | Reply
  65. maastricht

    An eye for an eye only works in countries that are backward, where most of the people use an "eye for an eye" when they take justice into their own hands.
    You shouldn't change the law before having educated the people at least partly that it is a primitive, bestial way to punish .

    December 29, 2009 at 3:29 pm | Reply
  66. Neuran

    I believe that the victim has the right to inflict the punishment to his aggressors. If the victim is not alive, his relatives or who cared for him has the right to choose the punishment. In such personal offenses law cannot be equal for everyone.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:32 pm | Reply
  67. harrisco amasco

    The attackers should be hanged-period

    December 29, 2009 at 3:36 pm | Reply
  68. tunde ajetunmobi

    this is man's inhumanity to man. those that carried out this evil act must not be left unpunished

    December 29, 2009 at 3:40 pm | Reply
  69. Marks

    1, Hard headed people, need a heavy handed law to deal with them.

    2, for some crimes, an eye for an eye is the only way for justice to be done.

    3, The victim should have a say in what punishment they should get.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:41 pm | Reply
  70. Katherine

    I agree with Andrew. An eye for an eye does nothing to break the cycle of violence. It will certainly not help the victim in this case.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:42 pm | Reply
  71. Emmanuelle

    It's always more ideal if we can deter violence by using peaceful ways, although in this particular case, I would think using violence against violence would remind

    I don't see it as barbaric just because the manner of punishing is "an eye for an eye". Some humans do behave barbarically and need to be treated as one.

    If it means violating human rights, think about the victim's human rights first. Seriously, I don't think the perpetrators will repent deeply if the punishment is not like what the victims suffered.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:43 pm | Reply
  72. Joseph

    I think that CNN should give these attackers the same media coverage. What I mean by this is that since about eight years, we are getting one image after the other of violence committed against women by men only within the Muslim world. One could easily believe that these are common incidents (they are not), that they are condoned by these societies (they are not), or that the attackers were given light sentences ( life in prison is hardly "light"). Why does CNN pervert the reality of life in the Muslim world I wonder and why does CNN not give the same treatment to, say, the United States. Does CNN run this type of story and "comment section" after the brutal gang rape of a schoolgirl just outside her school two months ago? No. Will those rapists get anything nearly as tough a sentence as life in prison? Of course not. The average sentence for rape across all states in the USA is 8 years. The very common crime of rape in the USA being punished so lightly, ought to be much more of concern than a life sentence for the uncommon act of mutilation in the Muslim world.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:47 pm | Reply
  73. JP Beauchamp

    After reviewing my comments I realize that it paints too many with the same brush and does not really address the problem. I will like to modify it if I may. This in no way represents all muslims and as evidenced in the Middle East, countries under a permanent state of war have not resolved their problems by dishing out an eye for an eye.

    There are societies that for centuries condoned such behaviour. In some countries in south America for example, if you found your wife with another man and killed her in the process, the courts would call it a 'crime of passion' and pass a relatively mild sentence. This validates and perpetuates the behaviour. When such acts become an acceptable norm and disensithizes the perpetrators who feel an entitlemnent to such behaviour. This is a historical fact for many civilizations that have since evolved. There are those pockets in the world that still remain in the past. The muslim world seems to have the lion share as evidenced by their state laws that allow men to have supreme power over their families and women in particular. It will take a courageous re-education from within, by members of those societies, that will hopefully beging to shift the priorities and subsequent behaviour. In the mean time, punishment must reflect the crime and unfortunately it might be the only language that can deliver the message at this time. The Coran teaches beautiful messages of tolerance and brotherly love. Much like the Christian Bible, it is not the Book but those that interpret the Book that distort the written word.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:50 pm | Reply
  74. Okradski

    As far the revenge I am really against it. That is why there is a law and people who work to improve it. I know it is far from perfect but it is better than the eye for an eye philosophy. In my country were the Muslim are minority this still exists even though we have justice system made in accordance with the EU law. However I have found that even though this happens with the Muslim it is not entirely because of the religion but it is the people who were most isolated who lived in the mountain ranges. In those people minds there are left overs of the way the things were done in the past(when there were no better means). In my country (population of 2 million ) there are estimated 200 people who are in home prison for years because of fear of revenge.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:51 pm | Reply
  75. MichaelSC

    I do not know if it would stop the violence but at least the attacker will feel the same as the victim.
    Seems nothing will stop an attacker if he just wants to.
    But for sure he will not do it again specially if we talk about death penalty or other severe punishment.
    Of course you can not improve human rights by violing them however the question is, are these attackers human and therefore deserve human rights? The victim suffers and no money or punishment can take this away. However by giving the attackers the same punishment, chances are higher that they will never do it again and that would be a success. Otherwise what will stop them from doing it again?

    December 29, 2009 at 3:54 pm | Reply
  76. Mosaic

    Look at our justice system. North America is the only place you can burglarize someone's house and sue the home owner because you injured yourself in the act? Where is the justice system there? I would like those same criminals to try that in a third world country. "The eye for an eye" justice works. Call it a scare tactic, but it works.
    The law here protects the criminals.... but does nothing to reasure the public that the law is on their side. We spend too much time, too much money and effort trying to "reform" criminals so that they don't become repeat offenders? The whole "3 strikes your out" process is a load of s#!t. Its like telling your child "don't do that or else" but never following up with it.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:02 pm | Reply
  77. LSnice

    Julian Vigo,

    CNN certainly DID run the story and comment section for the story of the schoolgirl you mention and I don't know what version of CNN you read but the one I read regularly reports on AMERICAN domestic situations that are just as horrible and worse. In fact I read many many more stories from the USA than I do of any mention of muslims for any reason and I an not from America or any Muslim country. Men beating, raping and murdering women IS COMMON in both societies if not most societies, yet nobody assumes because of CNN's reporting that it is condoned and the sentences are what they are. The schoolgirl was raped and beaten but they didn't cut off her nose in order to shame her further and make it so that no man wanted to marry her, that is their way of revenge and likely there is something in the Koran that supports it, since the Koran commands and condones murdering anyone that essentially doesn't agree with you ("you" being a "muslim").
    There aren't many disfigurements (or attempted murders) in the USA due to marriage proposals being turned down, usually the perpetrator would be found to have some mental problem. Perhaps this whole family is mental, all 5 attackers?. As for the punishments fitting the crime, some states have the death penalty and others do not. Usually the death penalty is not applied where no murder occured, you are comparing the judicial systems in two different countries like apples to oranges. Certainly recent examples in Iran and China the death penalty is applied for crimes that do not involve murder (protesting, heroin smuggling), but often in many muslim countries men can kill women for whatever silly reason (like he CLAIMED she showed her ankle and she DENIED it) and be out of jail in less than two years, and he can rape her first and have his whole family rape her too if he wants. Unfortunately in your USA you are so money hungry that your citizens do more jail time for stealing money then they do for raping and maiming your people. Maybe you should write your congressman or hit the streets as they don't apply the death penatly there for protesting. Something instead of blaming CNN.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:03 pm | Reply

    Good on the judge! Really, that punishment fits the crime.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:05 pm | Reply
  79. monty weiker

    it's unreal what they did to that woman. i personally would be happy to
    pull the switch and if the switch malfunctions make them eat PORK for the rest of their lives.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:05 pm | Reply
  80. isaac

    i believe, eye for eye and addition purnishment is good

    it makes someone thinks of the consequences ahead if he/she is caught

    December 29, 2009 at 4:12 pm | Reply
  81. Diony

    I personally don't believe in an "Eye for eye" type justice, however, I do believe, for the sake of the victim, the victim's family and society in general, people who commit heinous crime like this one must be punished two to three times harsher than the evil they committed. I never agreed with the idea of simply putting someone behind bar for committing inhumane or heinous crimes; they just have to know what pain feels like also. I am sure it is very unconfortable being in prison but I don't think it does much justice to the victims unless the aggressor entered the prison cell with a broken jaw, a broken rib or a broken bone somewhere. This way, just would be somehow served.
    Also, I don't believe there is much that can be done to deter crimes in today's societies. The Bible predicts people would become more and more evil. Governments would become more and more evil. And our societies embrace crimes with such an open heart. We don't need to go very far to see crimes, just put on a Hollywood movie on your DVD Player. And this is still acceptable.. yeah freedom of speech.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:13 pm | Reply
  82. Tom

    Crime has to have a deterrent. In North America, there is little deterrent. Being thrown off a two story building for vandalism, having your face cut up for cutting anothers face? These are deterrent. I believe that the attackers should have to watch their parents noses being cut off, just before theirs get cut off. Two eyes for an eye.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:16 pm | Reply
  83. aa

    It is not christian, islamic or hinduism. It is called barbarism. It happens in all societies, all cultures and followers of all religions. Media is powerful and wants these things for publicity and to add fuel to fire. The goal of this article is to show Pakistan and its people in a negative way. I will call this article as "fuel to fire"!!

    December 29, 2009 at 4:17 pm | Reply
  84. Glen

    All of you who believe violence is an appropriate response to violence, YOU are why this kind of thing happens. DO consider yourselves responsible for incidents like this, and be VERY ashamed of yourselves. You should be.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:17 pm | Reply

    To me the Pakistan Court shows how the country's rules are powerless against such barbaric behaviour. This judgement will obviously not be applied, it is just meant to make the Pakistan society react strongly. Eye for eye judgement never worked in the past, what should it work now ? I hope this horrible man will be sentenced to long-term jail and to pay a huge sum to the victim even if this leads to the ruin of his own family.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:20 pm | Reply
  86. Mohamed

    I think that CNN should give these attackers the same media coverage. What I mean by this is that since about eight years, we are getting one image after the other of violence committed against women by men only within the Muslim world. One could easily believe that these are common incidents (they are not), that they are condoned by these societies (they are not), or that the attackers were given light sentences ( life in prison is hardly "light"). Why does CNN pervert the reality of life in the Muslim world I wonder and why does CNN not give the same treatment to, say, the United States. Does CNN run this type of story and "comment section" after the brutal gang rape of a schoolgirl just outside her school two months ago? No. Will those rapists get anything nearly as tough a sentence as life in prison? Of course not. The average sentence for rape across all states in the USA is 8 years. The very common crime of rape in the USA being punished so lightly, ought to be much more of concern than a life sentence for the uncommon act of mutilation in the Muslim world.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:25 pm | Reply
  87. Mutheu

    In this case I think the judge might have seen this fit to deter others from similar attacks. While he might not have given the poor lady her life back, the perpetrators have to live in similar situation and maybe understand the consequences of their actions. An eye foe an eye sometimes is the best justice.
    Then again, maybe you should follow up on the lives of the lady and her attackers and see what happens – was the punishment carried out? Did it serve justice in the eye of the victim? Has it deterred further similar attacks?

    December 29, 2009 at 4:26 pm | Reply
  88. Jason

    I think they should do the same with those brutes who toss acid in women's faces.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:29 pm | Reply
  89. Callistus

    An eye-for-eye judgement is quite fair in handling crime of this nature in the society. This is to protect the weaker party especially women and children and also families that are considered very poor and unable to obtain justice especially in developing/poor countries. For a man to attach a woman simply because she rejected his marriage or any relationship offer is most unreasonable, be it in developed world or muslim society, crime is crime everywhere. Where crimes of this nature are not commensurately punished, the attacker feels confident to repeat it again in another occasion because nothing will happen, he will boast of it and use it as a threat against people. A disfigured person is never a happy person no matter the level of rehabilitation, the self confidence is no longer there.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Reply
  90. Gary Gilbert

    I am glad to see that the attackers in this case actually were convicted of this horrible crime. In many cases of violence to women in conservative muslim countries, the men are not held responcible for their actions. Now these men who attacked an innocent woman, will have a perminent reminder to all, that they were the criminals. Now no woman will want to marry them.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:31 pm | Reply
  91. Steve Banks

    Crime is diminished somewhat when the price paid is raised.

    Drug smuggling in China is a death sentence... hence, there is very little drug trafficking. Not always fair, but it tends to work to make people think twice.

    Cutting off the perpetrators noses is quite severe.. but I bet the word will get out and will have a reducing effect on this type of crime as opposed to a slap on the hand.

    Remember, we live in a different culture. And we have our fair share of haneous crimes ourselves.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:32 pm | Reply
  92. JR

    The judgement sounds very fair to me. More just then what would have happened in the US, where they would have been sent to prison to play ball, weight lift, and then let out early for good behaviour.

    At least with this method, others will think twice. Heck, maybe the judge should have gone a little further and added a "couple" more things to their "slicing" punishments!

    December 29, 2009 at 4:33 pm | Reply
  93. barbara in PA

    You know what? Criminals get off far too easily in this country. If your punishment for stealing were losing a hand, I'm sure a lot of people would think twice before doing it. If you hack off a woman's nose for spite, then I think with every ounce of my being that your nose should be hacked off as well.

    An eye for an eye. That is fair. And it's what God decreed.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:33 pm | Reply
  94. Anja

    How can it work? The crime cannot be un-committed and she can't have her nose back.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:33 pm | Reply
  95. Andy

    I have a feeling people in Pakistan who want to carry out such barbaric attacks will think twice after this incident.

    Reciprocal mutilation and life in prison – I love this judge!

    December 29, 2009 at 4:34 pm | Reply
  96. Katie

    No. Violence will never heal wounds or make the world a better place. The only way to serve justice is to work towards a society in which this never can happen again. The attackers should be forced to pay for reconstructive surgery for this poor woman, as well as serve out their sentence in jail. Furthermore, they ought to be educated on women's rights, and forced to teach others as well.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:35 pm | Reply
  97. OJS

    I'd hope that the fines would be great enough to do a plastic surgical facial repair for this victim. Eye for an eye plus prison might make these perpetrators think about the consequences.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:41 pm | Reply
  98. Christian L

    Two wrongs never make a right! And to those who are in favor of an eye for an eye: do you seriously think that this approach has worked well in the Palestine-Israel conflict, for instance?

    December 29, 2009 at 4:42 pm | Reply
  99. Nana Gyesie

    what a rather unfortunate incident. This young lady will remain scared for life, her attackers deserve to have their eyes plucked out, so they cant identify "future victims"

    December 29, 2009 at 4:44 pm | Reply
  100. Eka

    In this case/country,,,,yes.
    They deserve it.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:45 pm | Reply
  101. John R.

    I agree wholeheartedly with the"ain bil ain"eye for an eye philosophy.
    As one commentor noted these dirty,unwashed and uneducated tribal baboons(for want of a better description) saw no problem with maiming this young woman for life.All on account of her NOT wanting to follow in her abused sister's footsteps.
    Justice would be to not only chop off the tips of their proboscis but to ALSO seperate them from their gonads.After this has been done IN PUBLIC I might add ,they should then be gaoled for life and forced to reimburse ANY AND ALL costs related to repairing that poor woman's face by plastic surgery as well as paying her compensation for their abuse of her right to a normal life in what amounts to an abnormal society.
    Tough justice?Perhaps,but trust me they WILL get the message and anyone contemplating another savage act like this will no doubt think twice or thrice before proceeding with it.ESPECIALLY the singing soprano part if you catch my drift.Honour killings are NOT honourable and anyone perpetrating them should be publically executed by beheading.I worked in Saudi and have seen"Chop Chop Square" on Friday before prayers and IT WORKS ! Mohammed got G*d's word down right !

    December 29, 2009 at 4:45 pm | Reply
  102. Moog

    Sickens me that people can do this to others and sickens me even more that society would do this to someone.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:47 pm | Reply
  103. Click

    They should be flog yearly and spend the rest of their lives in prison. They should also be made to pay for her re-constructive surgery and any other medical, physically treatment whatever it cost for the rest of her life…

    December 29, 2009 at 4:48 pm | Reply
  104. Thomas, Dublin

    "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" – Mahatma Gandhi

    December 29, 2009 at 4:49 pm | Reply
  105. Barak

    Isn't all that Pakistani business? Since when are we the world's "judges"? America should learn to mind it's own business. Do we not have problems on our own soil that are equally horrible? Could it be that our relations with foreign countries is worsening BECAUSE we keep meddling in other countries business???

    December 29, 2009 at 4:51 pm | Reply
  106. LSnice


    Well for one thing it will stop this family from doing it to another woman, who's to say they don't do this sort of thing to everyone who "wrongs" them from now on? Others will remember and refrain. IF their noses ever even get cut off....

    December 29, 2009 at 4:56 pm | Reply
  107. Alysa

    Of course they deserve the same fate! We would not do horrible things to others if we thought the same may be done to us.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:57 pm | Reply
  108. angie786

    To all my muslim culture bashing Americans and westerners please do not judge muslim culture based on these media stories please remember we also have had a case of Jaycee Dugard and one in every five female college attending female is raped. The National American Women's Study, a three-year longitudinal study of a national probability sample of 4,008 adult women (2,008 of whom represent a cross section of all adult women and 2,000 of whom are an over sample of younger women between the ages of 18 and 34), found:

    •13% of adult women had been victims of completed rape during their lifetime
    •22% of rape victims were assaulted by someone they had never seen before or did not know well.
    •9% of victims were raped by husbands or ex-husbands.
    •11% were raped by fathers or stepfathers.
    •10% were raped by boyfriends or ex-boyfriends.
    •16% were raped by other relatives.
    •29% were raped by other non-relatives, such as friends and neighbors.

    I was born and raised in Pakistan, the treatment of women is not even close to as bad as it is portrayed in America. Obviosly it is a third world country and quality of life in general if poor for everyone but media needs to be less biased in their reporting. When standing in line, women always get served first before men. Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey, and Bangladesh have elected a female president before a lot of western countries. Please be more open minded and don't just trust all the info thats given to you by the media.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Reply
  109. Pennsylvania

    I think they should do that in all jurisdictions, and they shoud have to pay for her medical expenses and have her nose reconstructed. The men in those countries think of women as property and now no one will want her and that's how they like it.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:59 pm | Reply
  110. Eric E

    These babaric incidences are common in today's world and come in different ways. What about the US kid that attacked his friend over a bicycle? This go to show that the world has degenerated so much.

    An eye for an eye, though uncivilised, seems the only option that can deter evil minded folks from such henious crime of cutting off somebody's nose or pouring acid on somebody. Moses prescribed this for the children of Isreal.

    The niceties of Christianity is very good in a decent world, but the world is far from being decent. Personally, I will recommend an eye for an eye as a deterrent. Let the perpetrator feel the same thing as the victim and be in similar condition as the victim... and probably not able to repeat the crime on another fellow. That's one evil folk reformed the hard way – and the only way evil can be genuinely taken care of.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:00 pm | Reply
  111. Mimi

    I strongly agree with "an eye for eye" punishment in this particular case. Too many crimes against woman similar to this one go unpunished in many countries. Its about time the perpetrators pay dearly for their brutality.

    Unfortunately, the victim in this case will soon be forgotten by the media, her country and her community.

    I hope she will receive all the help she needs to restore her self-esteem and be able to relocate far away from the village where this crime took place.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:06 pm | Reply
  112. Flavia Gouvea

    Violence comes from where and when you expect the least, so does kindness. As such, let punishment be social isolation in prision and justice a helping hand from a plastic surgeon who may volunteer to restore the girls spirit.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:07 pm | Reply
  113. CSG

    It's barbaric, and uncivilized. That's why we are appalled by what happened to this woman – and some of us just as appalled by the sentencing. The woman should be given some sort of restitution. Leading by example has always been far more successful than succumbing to your enemies wickedness and thus reducing yourself to same level of barbarism.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:07 pm | Reply
  114. Xofruitcake

    I think it is fair. Remember this si the part of the world that have different culture and have different value than US. Violence won't stop unless the criminals know that their punishment is 10x worse than the crime they committee... For those who is still riding the high horse go visit the world and imagine a moment what if the crime were to committe against you, what would you like to see happen?

    December 29, 2009 at 5:08 pm | Reply
  115. Michael

    The West really needs to wake up and see that "Diversity" is a fraud and not every culture is deserving of acceptance or tolerance.

    These are the same places where cultural norms permit throwing acid in a woman's face, or burning her alive in a "cooking accident" and the worst of all; Honor killings and Female genital mutilation.

    I, for the life of me, wonder where all the Women's Rights and feminist groups have gone? Instead of looking out for their sisters in these squalid countries, they're protesting for "Diversity" and "Tolerance" and "Equal Rights" which in America really boils down to more money and jobs in the workplace. Noble in-and-of itself, but selfish and shallow when you consider the real problems women face the rest of the world over.

    I would love to see a nationwide, American women's movement advocating against the Taliban for their abhorrent treatment of women and girls; they get no school, cant work, cant beg if their husband dies, the list goes on. Women are less valuable than livestock in these fanatical and barbarous places.


    December 29, 2009 at 5:08 pm | Reply
  116. Sherin Yousri

    As a Muslim, I have to agree with the Eye to an Eye concept, however as a Muslim who belives in Jesus and his teachings, I have to say and as much as it is hard to understand and actually apply.... to forgive your enemy does not only show that ... we humans can be humans but also maintains our sanity and believe in good. Once you hurt those who did or intended to hurt you... you simply become one of them and then it is too late to forgive. I know I might not make sense but I do believe and love Jesus and his compassion to show us the right way in Life and beyond.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:09 pm | Reply
  117. alhena

    Barbara in PA, you are right saying that criminals get off easily but I dont think that "it's what God decreed", actually he said to turn the other cheek.
    You can not fight violence with violence, it doesnt work that way.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:09 pm | Reply
  118. Jihead

    The attackers should receive the same punishment that they gave to the young lady. In the Muslim society an eye for an eye is the only way to bring attention to the problem, and stop it from happening again. I we had an eye for an eye justice in America, maybe some people would think twice before they commit a crime.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:09 pm | Reply
  119. Ahmed Abdelghani

    Yes, an eye for an eye works !

    December 29, 2009 at 5:14 pm | Reply
  120. PP Manvell

    In the world in which those people live it is their way of doing things so I believe that they deserve the same treatment

    December 29, 2009 at 5:15 pm | Reply
  121. Jason

    Eye for an eye is certainly justified as many have commented but ironically if such a punishment was given in the US most of those whom agree in this case would be suddenly be against...right? Or from another view our form of punishment for such a crime, which is simply time in prison, is in itself barbaric and a slap in the face to the victim and society as a whole by not handing down proper punishment for crimes committed. In the US we clearly are more interested in the welfare of the criminal and not the victim or society...sad situation. Why do you think that many cirminals in prison are repeat offenders? The worst that can happen is more jail time...big deal.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:16 pm | Reply
  122. Aramic

    I believe that the Judge did the right thing here..when they look in the mirror they can be reminded of what they did.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:17 pm | Reply
  123. Dru

    Absolutely! Could someone please come up with a better punishment for these barbarians other than that meted out by the Judge? I feel this is the best way to make the perpetrators understand the gravity of their cruelty.
    At the same time, may I say, could some kind Samaritan offer to re-construct this young girls nose through plastic surgery so that she can can go out in to the world with at least a little bit of her lost confidence in tact?

    December 29, 2009 at 5:21 pm | Reply
  124. Big Daddy Rat

    The perpetraters are getting off lite as the victim didn' know she wouldn't be killed,did not have the benefit of a sterile hospital setting or an anesthetic.The punishment should be carried out by a gang of women who have been similarly abused.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:22 pm | Reply
  125. Michael

    Such a wanton act of violence because this woman refused to marry is sickening.

    I personally would not choose a path of vengence. Before you take an act of vengence, dig two graves ?(a la Confucius and MW2) but if that is what it will take for a society where women are not respected to see that there are consequences for hurting an individual, then so be it.

    If these people could have agreed to cut their loses and move on, none of this would have happened. That is a sick culture that needs to be changed.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:27 pm | Reply
  126. Scoob in Tucson

    Terrible. What senseless brutality.

    But the issue is: should the perpetrators of this crime, in Pakistan, also have their noses cut off?

    In such a poor, developing nation as Pakistan, I believe it IS an effective deterrent of such crimes.

    1) Citizens in Pakistan are very poor, so fines are not effective – you cannot take from someone who has nothing. Punishments other than eye-for-an-eye are meaningless to Pakistanis.

    2) The perpetrators have permanently de-faced this woman, and ruined her life. They should suffer the same fate. It would not be fair to send them to prison, and escape the permanent disfigurement they created.

    3) The Middle East has a strong tradition of "eye for an eye," and they understand the concept.

    I believe it is effective in Pakistan. In the United States, we do have other options.

    -Scoob in Tucson

    December 29, 2009 at 5:28 pm | Reply
  127. R. Reid Sr

    I believe an eye for an eye or nose for a nose perhaps this will discourage people from treating woman this way.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  128. RSJ

    These so called honour killings and mutilations are a feature of middle eastern culture.
    It is only in the last few years that the perpertrators have been called to account.
    So we should applaud the judicial proceedings that at long last are giving justice to these (mostly) women victims.
    Whether physical punishment ever serves as a deterrent is hard to determine, the US policy of capital punishment has,nt lowered the murder rate.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  129. Gloria

    "An Eye for an Eye!" The U.S. should be more like these countries, no in the U.S. people get away with MURDER, a slap in the hand, b/c our jails are overcrowded or they plea Insane!!! Come'on folks not to be judgemental but if you have no Respect for other people why should the LAW!! Maybe our crime rate would decline if the law was HARDER on criminals........Good job JUDGE

    December 29, 2009 at 5:31 pm | Reply
  130. Yvette

    A tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye, i think it depends on the beliefs of the people, the victim has been scarred for life. think about it will she ever be able to lead a normal life?
    That is the best thing the judge could have done, or the next best thing should have been death, but that wont be the same as the pain they have caused the lady.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:33 pm | Reply
  131. HC

    I feel very sorry for this woman and being a Pakistani, I can say with much confidence, that this so-called punishment which is to be meted out to these beasts may never see the light of day. I would not be surprised if these scoundrels were set free... such is a Pakistani's faith in the judicial system. Justice is only for the rich in my country- not for the poor and certainly less so for a poor woman.
    It may be very easy to criticise CNN for bringing attention to a story which potrays the Muslim world negatively.. true these events are an anomaly, but an anomaly that deserves attention. In fact international attention is what saved Mukhtar Mai ( gang rape victim) in Pakistan and it may be the only reason why the Pak judicial system may be pressured into action against these criminals – only because the world's eyes are upon them.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:34 pm | Reply
  132. Ashfaque

    I dont think people are thinking very clearly what an eye for an eye constitutes. It will mean that someone, with a sharp blade, will have to also lose their humanity, respect, and dignity, and cut off the noses and an ear of each of these animals. The 'execution' of the act itself is disgusting, so dont ask that it be carried out.

    Because you nor I would be able to do it (least I hope not), because unlike these animals we have compassion and empathy. Put them in prison, execute them if you believe in the death penalty, but do not mutilate them. Thats far too disturbing; no need to spread the cancer of barbarity when its so common. Acid attacks on women are far more common than this type of act, and it does not change anything or bring back the victim's life to give an eye for an eye.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:35 pm | Reply
  133. Majik

    Quite simply: These verdicts are pretty much the only tihing that can make me see anything positive in an Islamic society. Regrettably, however, the crimes which lead to punishments like that are unthinkable outside such a society.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:37 pm | Reply
  134. madimarc

    the intention of the criminals who destroyed her face was exactly to make her suffer forever...

    and she will, most probably...

    this debate reminds me about the starting dialogue in the movie "the Godfather"...

    an ordinary court fails to punish two criminals who raped a young girl and her father asks the Godfather for vengeance (which he calls "justice")...

    if criminal laws depart too much from the widespread notion of justice, private violence (like that exerted by Mafia) may eventually appear as a remedy...

    I believe that severe punishments written in the ordinary laws are better than private vengeance...

    eyeforeye could be termed as a barbarian punishment, but sometimes is better than self-made justice...

    December 29, 2009 at 5:39 pm | Reply
  135. Bilal

    I don't understand why people associate it with ISLAM. Every year in US a lot of women are raped, beaten, killed and some times their fetus have been stolen.

    Can we associate it with Christianity or Judaism? NO

    Its the low points of society not the religion.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:43 pm | Reply
  136. Les, Ireland

    We in the west have become far too politically correct. We incorrectly lump punishment and barbarism into the same basket.

    What happened to miss Bibi was barbaric and inhuman! She was an innocent victim. She did not deserve that treatment.

    The perpetrators of this act are barbaric and guilty. THEY are NOT innocent victims. They should be punished accordingly. Their punishment cannot be considered barbaric. For them, It is justly deserved.

    Others must be made to weigh the consequences of their actions.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:45 pm | Reply
  137. Lewis

    They deserve everything they get..It goes to show how ignorant some parts of the world are..I mean five grown men planning and laying out an attack like this is beyond words..i don't believe in savagery but..i personally would pour acid on them not enough to kill them but, enough to cause some suffering while they live..and once they heal, i would do it again.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:45 pm | Reply
  138. farshad

    i agree with Sam

    آسايش دو گيتي تفسير اين دو حرف است : با دوستان مروت و با دشمنان مدارا

    Meaning – The peace for both world can be explained in this: kindness to the friend and tolerance for the foe.

    just look at what The eye for an eye has done in the region.

    This particular incident has nothing to do with religion or creed it is a lack of education and Tolerance, lack of respect for other people’s choice and thoughts, lack of Humanity and love for the others.

    Now if you do the same then what is the difference between you and the guilty? Instead you have to educate and end the cycle, people learn from understanding not fear

    December 29, 2009 at 5:49 pm | Reply
  139. marieparis

    Punishment for the perpetrator does bring some form of closure to the wronged, albeit insufficient.

    Although I should think society in general should be careful in the precedents it may set in meting out "severe" punishments, (cutting off a hand for theft, cited in example above, seems rather disproportionate, deprives the condemned of two hands to be able to work, and leaves no room for wrong judgements..), I might add a few suggestions to the above punishments already proposed:

    Besides wallowing in a dungy prison, the condemned could be made to look at the portrait of their victim every day and publicly say they are sorry. They should be made to kneel in front of their victim, say they are sorry and ask her forgiveness. They should be made to support her and her family for the rest of their lives, as monetary compensation. They could be barred legally from ever marrying, and their portraits put on the internet as well as local Town Hall bulletin boards, saying what they did, so that no woman would ever want to marry them. They could be made to teach in schools to others to not do as they did.

    And of course if the local judges decided to cut off two other things and make them eat pork every day, I'd be willing to turn a blind eye.

    CNN, please be our ambassador and extend our deepest sympathy to this woman. More than that, use your influence to help gather all the financial support you can for reparative surgery for her.

    Although she may be experiencing physical pain besides the psychological distress, fortunately, true strength and beauty are inner.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:49 pm | Reply
  140. jeff

    this is the only thing these animals will understand. good decision by the judge.

    December 29, 2009 at 6:32 pm | Reply
  141. Zach

    The act of punishment isn't supposed to allow anger to relieve itself, but to teach the criminal and the society to respect others. What does violence as punishment teach? That violence is always the answer. Of course the victim's suffering is the first consideration, and to remediate the suffering we must attack the cause – IGNORANCE. To attack the attacker is simply more IGNORANCE.

    December 29, 2009 at 6:48 pm | Reply
  142. Katy

    Absolutely the men should be punished. What other way is there to deter other men from doing the same thing? They need to suffer what she suffered.

    December 29, 2009 at 9:24 pm | Reply
  143. sulaiman

    i believe the verdict is just. it will serve as a deterrant in a chauvanistic society where women are treated like chattel. put yourself in the situation – what would you do if somebody did this to your daughter, wife, sister or mother

    December 29, 2009 at 9:25 pm | Reply
  144. Peter

    I believe that "an eye for an eye" punishment is ineffective, and is barbaric. Frankly, I feel it is disgraceful that this form of mentality (and sometimes legal law) still exists in a world pushing 2010.

    December 29, 2009 at 9:25 pm | Reply
  145. Dario van der Lundin

    "TOLERANCE" could be the motto the new Decade: "No-body has the right to attack other human being if it is not on self defense". Dario van der Lundin, Beaulieu

    December 29, 2009 at 9:26 pm | Reply
  146. Lord Mumuni

    I believe that chopping offf thier nose or ears is elementary, the punishment, should be more severe than that.

    What the men had exhibited, was an act off local terrorism, and they should be totally taking out of the system entirely.

    December 29, 2009 at 9:30 pm | Reply
  147. Emmanuel

    I see it as a matter of choice of judgment one chooses for himself. The law has been set, the perpetrators had their freedom and they made their choice.

    December 29, 2009 at 9:36 pm | Reply
  148. Ryan

    To the people saying that the US should become more like this I would ask you to please leave and go to Pakistan to see how well these practices work. It makes me sick seeing how many people are alright with the idea of mutilating these attackers, they did something horrible and they deserve to be punished but that does not give us the right to reproduce what they did. Eye for an eye is barbaric and inhumane. Those who agree with its practice are in a way on the same level as those criminals. Can’t we as those in the right “be the bigger man” and simply give a life sentence?

    At the same time I do understand that in some regions of Afghanistan and I’m sure elsewhere they don’t have the proper facilities to house such criminals and though it pains me to say it I suppose the eye for an eye treatment may be the only way, but if this area of Pakistan does have prisons then I don’t think there is any excuse.

    December 29, 2009 at 10:55 pm | Reply
  149. joe gerken

    I wonder how many of the commentors why say "an eye for an eye" consider themselves to be Christians? Because Jesus explicitly condemned that doctrine.

    December 29, 2009 at 11:01 pm | Reply
  150. ssa

    Yes if you harmed someone you should suffer in equal terms!
    These women in the western world what did they get for this women freedom and at what cost? There are incidnce like this in each society many in US and the western world. How would you comment on the Austrian father in Autria rapping and imprisoning his own daughter for 18 years and similar incidence in australia. Well if revenge is not the western world believe in than why did the US go after Afgahnistan and Iraq (and wrongly so) Why did they not offer an Olive baranch to their enemies. When it comes to US and Western world it's okay to take revenge. For the the American and wetern world, women in the muslim world are are treated far more respectfully than they could ever imagine in the western world. Women in the wetern world dont know what respect as women they deserve let alone to comment on others

    December 29, 2009 at 11:10 pm | Reply
  151. angel

    They deserve worse then what she got. Fazeelat you are a beautiful young lady, Im sorry for what they did to you. I will be praying for you & your mom & your family. Im glad those that harmed you are being punished. Shame on them.

    December 29, 2009 at 11:10 pm | Reply
  152. arrowhead

    I completely agree with Julian Vigo. It's ignorant to say women are treated worse in the Muslim world. 1 in 3 women are raped here in America before the age of 18. (www.peace.ca/oneinthreewomen.htm) It's all about how CNN chooses to twist the story.

    I think in this case, we can learn something from this very just and fair punishment. I'm sick of this eye-for-an-eye makes the whole world blind, politically correct garbage. Sure, let's just put em in jail for a few years, then they're out again and rape again. 67% of prisoners in American jails today are repeat offenders. They kill, but no we cant take their lives. That's "not justice, its brutal." So we let them go and they kill again. Is that justice?

    December 29, 2009 at 11:15 pm | Reply
  153. Lora

    This is the crazies things I've ever heard.

    December 29, 2009 at 11:21 pm | Reply
  154. Foxy

    I agree with the judge. I would also throw castration of all five men in for good measure.

    December 29, 2009 at 11:30 pm | Reply
  155. Cara

    They tortured their victim so should they suffer.

    December 29, 2009 at 11:35 pm | Reply
  156. Chris

    Fazeelat Bibi was an innocent victim of this act of barbarism. An eye for an eye might be seen as an act of revenge rather than punishment for a cruel attack by five men against a teenage girl, but why should Fazeelat Bibi be the only one left suffering while those who committed the crimes get away whole.

    December 29, 2009 at 11:38 pm | Reply
  157. Violet

    Yup, cut off their noses. Only an archaic punishment will work in such a backward society.

    December 29, 2009 at 11:44 pm | Reply
  158. Boris

    Those who rejec t mutilation of the offenders should understand that this horrible affair had taken place not in downtown Geneva. There is no unversal truth, and no universal understanding of "appropriate" punishment. The majority of US states sentence criminals to death – and execute them. Executions might be done in extremely cruel way in Saudi Arabia. Do not single out Pakistan for applying one of the basic Christian moral principles. The evil must be punished. The report however does not present any details on how the victim is protected and helped. Does she receive spiritual and psychological help, advice of a plastic surgeon?

    December 29, 2009 at 11:45 pm | Reply
  159. taz9420

    I wonder how they handle rape convictions???
    Stick something up there "you know what", castration, and a Life Sentence maybe.

    December 29, 2009 at 11:47 pm | Reply
  160. Religion Sucks

    Part of me agrees with this punishment – that it will serve as a deterrant. But I also wonder how long it would have an effect on other men. Instead, I think they should think of a clever way to force these men to become activists for women's rights.

    I cannot imagine living in such a barbaric "civilization". If you think about it, their beliefs are all rooted in, and justified by, religion. Organized religion fuels this kind of extremism. The earth will not be destroyed by climate change; it will be destroyed by religion and the hatred it produces.

    December 29, 2009 at 11:51 pm | Reply
  161. Veronica

    I do believe the "eye for an eye" is a suitable punishment. Maybe we should try it here in the USA...our current judicial system does not work for punishing law breakers. Sentences for murderers, rapists, pedophiles are much too lenient. They deserve to have the same fate they placed on their victims. They should allow the family to inflict the punishment upon the criminal. I'm sure people would think twice about committing a crime. This poor woman will never be the same. I'm glad those men will have their noses cut off too, they deserve it!!

    December 29, 2009 at 11:51 pm | Reply
  162. kathy

    It is so unbelievably sad to imagine that people in our world continue to treat eachother so barbarically. In this situation it seems "an eye for an eye" is the only way these people can learn anything about what they have done and what they have taken.

    It is a profound way to create a deterent for others who are unable to control their extreme arrogance. An arrogance by the way , that mounts largely from their own lack of self worth

    December 29, 2009 at 11:55 pm | Reply
  163. manuel

    I do not think revenge would work in this particular case because the damage is been done. Those attackers could serve life in prison, but that would not bring happiness to her life again. However, it is important that her attackers get a punishment that sends out a message that "women are not weak but strong-willed human beings"

    December 29, 2009 at 11:55 pm | Reply
  164. andy

    Darn right, an eye for an eye...for those who preach barbaric, life in prison and so on, what is life means in America and worse off in Canada, it is a freaking slap on the wrist...all these wishy washy judicial judgement we have in North America give criminals more rights than the victims and we are paying for these useless judges...now honestly tell me, would you accept America/Canada judgement if the victim in this case is your love ones?...I don't think so.

    December 29, 2009 at 11:59 pm | Reply
  165. alix

    Can she get cosmetic surgery ?? These guys are brutal!!! maybe in this case an eye for eye is the only thing they will understand..

    December 30, 2009 at 12:00 am | Reply
  166. Asaawa

    I believe in "An eye for an eye". Marriage is not by force.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:04 am | Reply
  167. Steven

    It should be "more than an eye" for an eye, to account for the fact that these goons initiated the violence! The perps should have their arms chopped off so they can never hold a gun or threaten a woman again. It's not revenge per se but punishment - they have proven themselves to be menaces to society, and should be neutralized accordingly. With that said, life imprisonment + nose removal is at least fair.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:04 am | Reply
  168. Sheryl

    Since our current justice system seems to be a complete joke, I believe we need to try an eye for an eye. We (taxpayers) pay for our criminals to get three meals a day, workout, watch tv, get an education, etc. Doesn't seem like much of a punishment to me. If found guilty, one appeal, then an eye for an eye. There are heinous crimes against women and children committed in the U.S. daily and no one gets the sentence they actually deserve. I'm tired of paying to keep evil people alive.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:10 am | Reply
  169. Nikki

    Regarding what Julian Vigo and Arrow Head said,
    although approximately 1/3 women in America are raped, did you know that under Islamic law, unless 4 witnesses are provided proving the rape, women are often charged with adultery instead. In many, many cases of rape in Muslim countries, the woman is the one that is charged with crime and if she is found pregnant, many times she will be killed in an honor killing due to bringing "shame" to the family. Something to think about.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:14 am | Reply
  170. mel

    how hatefull and hideous acts of violence could be done to a women, take her beauty away from her, and leave her with her fearfull fate. i believe in an eye for an eye, they must be equally punished , even worse than here by doing this acts of justice will deter people doing this. i have read most of the comments, i am yelling to the commenters who imply such things only happen in the muslim world, where do you guys live? in United States , every 4 second out of the five a women is mistreated , every minute a robbery takes place, every one hour a rape is heard.
    violence is violence everywhere it s not fair to restricted or sterotyped to a region or cultures.

    sad story, assaliant must be get same punishment.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:24 am | Reply
  171. Folk

    Forget eye for an eye in this case. Death sentence all the way. They knew what they were going to do, they planned it ahead of time. They should have known the possible consequences.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:25 am | Reply
  172. Yo

    If you take someones nose off then their life is ruined. I believe in eye for an eye for only violent crimes such as this. For example, the kids who lit another kid should be lit too. They committed a terrible crime and should be punished.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:25 am | Reply
  173. Kwaku

    Normally, I would not subscribe to the concept of an Eye for an Eye, however, in this instance I totally agree with the judge. The culprits should not only loose a piece of their ears and nose, but they should also loose a portion of their... "you know what". This is totally babaric and demonic. They have maimed this poor girl for life, I am sorry I have no sympathy for these guys, to add insults to injuries this henious crime was commited by her cousin... what the heck?

    On different note, Arwa Damon is there anyway we can help this young lady with a prostethic nose or surgery? I am sure there are many people on this blog who will like to help but do not know how? Please let me know how I can help. I am horrified and at the same time emotionally touched by her plight. No person should suffer such an ordeal.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:27 am | Reply
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  175. suzy.q

    I can't even think about the attackers. I can only think of Fazeelat Bibi and how much she must have suffered and still be suffering, even now. The rest, in the end, changes none of this.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:49 am | Reply
  176. brendon

    I'm shocked by most of these responses i've read so far. I am truly saddened. How can anybody hope for world peace or an elevation of humanity to a higher consciousness or more spiritually evolved society when the whole world is so seemingly hateful and filled with a desire for bloodshed?

    People, i dont mean to preach. i have no right. i'm simply one voice amongst millions, but mutilating these men serves no purpose what so ever. life in prison is all they deserve. anything else is revenge, not justice.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:57 am | Reply
  177. Hunter

    There are surely horror stories to tell here in the U.S., as anywhere there are humans, but the level of specific incidents like these against women in Muslim societies is undeniable.

    Let's see: her head is covered and they asked "her family" for her hand. If that doesn't indicate to you some level of subjugation, you're either cheerleading for a religion or you're a fool. Call it culture or tradition if you like, but such an ingrained outlook will result in tragedies like this one sooner or later.

    No, I'm not suggesting that the West is some sort of example that everyone should live up to in all instances...absolutely not. However, it does no good at all to point the finger at other countries when faced with a specific issue like this in your own society.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:58 am | Reply
  178. Markkens

    For a case of personal mutilation like this one, I certainly support an eye for an eye, and I also support their life sentence in addition to it.

    December 30, 2009 at 1:00 am | Reply
  179. suzy.q

    Is there any fund collecting donations for Fazeelat Bibi? I am willing to donate. The emotional scars must be great enough as it is, she shouldn't have to bear the physical ones as well to remind her permanently of her ordeal.

    December 30, 2009 at 1:02 am | Reply
  180. Daniel Jones

    I am no longer what you may term a "civilized person". The crimes and violence in society have finally gotten to me. Not only should the attackers lose their ears and noses, but the female members of their family also. In that way, the result that they intended for the victim shall happen to their sisters as well. The punishment must fit the crime. Surely, if there were a god, he or she would not allows innocents to suffer. Since they do, let the suffering extend to the entire family of the attackers. The attackers themselves should become the property of the victim and be made to provide a living for the poor unfortunate girl for the rest of her life.

    December 30, 2009 at 1:03 am | Reply
  181. Tina

    Eye for an eye. That is EXACTLY what those barbaric fools deserve. I so wish that we (the U.S) were not so lilly livered and so worried about the so called "rights" of criminals. If a criminal CHOOSES to commit a crime, then the fool should know that they are CHOOSING to be punished in the same manner. What is so difficult to understand about that? Commit the crime, do the time. Why on earth should a person have any sympathy whatsoever for someone who willingly DECIDES to commit a crime. Let them suffer in the EXACT same manner as they caused their victim to suffer. If we would stop being bleeding hearts and give an eye for an eye so to speak, I have no doubt whatsoever that we would see crime rates plummet at an exponential rate! Our justice system needs to get a back bone.....there is no justice in it!

    December 30, 2009 at 1:07 am | Reply
  182. nathaniel adam briggs

    It's simple – someone didn't get what they wanted, so they figured they'd destroy a thing of beauty for the future.

    No real words can capture all the things I could and would like to say...

    Utterly disgusting? Foul? Deplorable? Do these describe this action properly? Of course not.

    You have to look deeper. What purpose have these people. What fundamental weaknesses do they possess? What ignorance exists?

    Answer those questions – Do something about it as a civilization, and then these things will not be.

    Outside of this, I should hope someone able would step up, and "fix" this though surgey.. expensive U.S. surgery. Not only for the woman, but for the future.

    nathaniel adam briggs

    December 30, 2009 at 1:15 am | Reply
  183. Abdul

    LS nice,
    I just want to ASK YOU PLEASE don't talk about Holly Books(ANY HOLLY BOOK) if you havent read it. Let the discussion go on.

    December 30, 2009 at 1:16 am | Reply
  184. BJ

    To answer the most important question directly, I also agree (obviously with the overwhelmingly VAST majority of other Americans on this website) that the punishment is justified and fair.

    To take it a few steps further, as "barbaric" as it may sound, I think that "age-old" punishments do have their place, even in our "advanced" American society. We want to be humane as opposed to savage, deter instead of intimidate. But inflicting pain, torture, or dismemberment upon another human being are heinous acts. Is it possible that our current system is too "soft," doing little to nothing to prevent others from doing the same thing? Are we "coddling" the perpetrators, threatening them with beds, cable television, three square meals, and the possibility of parole in 2-5 years?

    This isn't a dissertation, so I'll sum it up bluntly. Nothing is black and white. We jail and/or kill innocent people in the name of justice and capital punishment all the time. Therefore, we cannot always use "an eye for an eye" based only upon a 12-person jury, a shoddy alibi, shadow of doubt, and circumstantial evidence. All I'm saying is, if I were looking to get in a fight, inflict rape, or commit a crime, I might be a little more thoughtful if there were the possibility of physical repercussions. I might not be able to commit a second or third crime if I lost a hand, eye, or testicles. I might save the taxpayers cost and the legal system time and burden. I might actually feel responsibility for my thoughts and subsequent actions.

    December 30, 2009 at 1:18 am | Reply
  185. Joe

    I certainly do not feel sorry for the criminals who are to be so severely punished. I would administe an even more severe punishment if I could personally lay hands (and knife) on them. However, although individuals desire revenge, the justice system should not administer it.

    On the off-topic, Julian is incorrect. Women are treated worse in the Muslim world, and so are men or anyone who is subject to theocratic government.

    The 1-in-3 statistic is first, an exageration and second, an example of how well women are treated in the U.S. that one, rape is so broadly defined and that two, women here are not afraid to report rapes.

    December 30, 2009 at 1:23 am | Reply
  186. minu

    It appears that a lot of people have more sympathy for the criminals than the victims. How cruel and twisted! Saying just, how sad, won't do. Because of these soft on crime people these thugs and terrorists are becoming more brave. How about the same thing happening to you, your daughters and sisters? We will see how you feel. How would you like to have them in your European neighborhood?

    December 30, 2009 at 1:34 am | Reply
  187. aqib

    They should be killed...
    Eye for an eye is not good in this case... cos because of them her mother also died....
    They should be publically burned to death...

    December 30, 2009 at 2:02 am | Reply
  188. Cornelio Vero

    My opinion is that the punishment fits the crime. There is this notion that rehabilitation is the proper method of dealing with social deviants in the US. Think about this: Say you go to prison for a few years for robbing a convenience store. Say you are a Mexican-American from the Los Angeles area. Well now, in order to save your rear from constant abuse, you will need to join the Sureno Mexican gang. Now provided you do come out at the end of your original term, you will, even as a free man be a member of the Sureno Mexican gang. You will have gone to prison with an A.A. in Petty Burglary, and have come out with a Masters in Narcotic Smuggling, Rackateering, Murder, etc, etc, etc... The insitution nurtures this type of deviant behavior in my opinion because inmates are not scared of authority. Prison is a right-of-passage in many cases. What could be better than a free ticket to visit your pals. And if you decide to dabble with the opposite sex too, well then you got everything you need. It's a resort for those who cannot function in society.

    I often wonder what malfunction some people must have in their brain to want to commit such heinous crimes. To become a burden to society. Is it because the idea they may get away with it excites them? I understand some people get dealt a bad hand from the start, but in the US atleast, the government provides you with all the resources to get out of the hood and be a better person. Some just choose a life of crime. Some are just perverts. If you ever have the opportunity, tune in to the Nat Geo channel when they air programs on prison life. You may be surprised to find out just how privaleged inmates are. They get warm meals and cable, all for free. The are entitled to it because we have become soft.

    I would also like to say: an armed society is a safe society. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. If someone wants to break into my house and hurt me, they will be shot.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:16 am | Reply
  189. A. Adam

    Subahan Allah…I think all five assailants should taste their own fair share of what they deserved because what they done to her is completely an evil act and they should get public mutilation.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:22 am | Reply
  190. Prof. H.Mack

    Yes it works if it is public and targeted to the perpetrators. History has shown it always works as long as the boundaries are observed and the avengers do not seek out innocent members of the perpetrators group.
    Just keep it to those who committed the horror and make it well known.
    It definitely works.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:22 am | Reply
  191. Kay

    Some may find this punishment to be barbaric, but I think that it is a fitting punishment for an equally barbaric act. Those men destroyed this poor woman's life and I'm sorry but I don't want to hear about turning the other cheek. I hope that the government there actually carries out this punishment. Maybe some other "prideful" man would think twice before hurting a woman who turns down his proposal. If it saves even one woman there it will be worth it. Maybe we need something like that in the U.S., if it could save one woman here it would be worth it too. After all, it happens here too.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:40 am | Reply
  192. CJ

    If there was a charity organizing reconstructive surgery for this lady, I would donate. She shouldn't have to go through life disfigured when we could help.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:23 am | Reply
  193. omar

    There is only one thing that needs to be said:

    Two wrongs do not make a right.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:47 am | Reply

    hell yes it works. we need more of it in U S. that would stop a lot of crime.
    we are too soft on criminals.

    December 30, 2009 at 4:01 am | Reply
  195. Jester

    A lot of comments are saying that this happens only in Muslim countries,that is not so, such acts should be linked to illiteracy in a society, no normal person would do this, please stop blaming Muslims, the Islamic Law is very strict when it comes to committing crimes, but the problem is Islamic Law has never been implemented in its true spirit, muslim societies have been implementing small portions of it, Eye for an Eye is a concept in Islam that makes sure that the offender feels the same pain and suffering and the law makes sure that a strong message should be spread in the society for any potential offenders, under Islamic laws rapiest dont get 8 years in Jail.. they are simply dispossessed by there organ

    December 30, 2009 at 4:28 am | Reply
  196. Is there a website that will contribute to plastic surgery for this woman

    I would like to know if there is anyway to get plastic surgery to help this woman.



    December 30, 2009 at 5:01 am | Reply
  197. Catskinner

    I'd leave the assailants noses alone – but geld them, instead.

    December 30, 2009 at 5:04 am | Reply
  198. Simao

    It makes me laugh when I read some people's comments that I would call condescending and pretentious. Imagine yourself in her shoes just look at the mirror and imagine yourself without a nose. Just imagine how they cut off her nose just because she refused to marry one of them. Just imagine that. You have no idea how that woman feels now that her life is ruined and you come her with these comments "Oh they should get mental test maybe they should go to a reform institution" or "an eye for an eye doesn't work". These cowards committed a very ugly crime and they deserve exactly the same. In your "civilized" countries you use your justice system as it is but is it lowering the crime rate? Hell now I bet the crimes in the U.S are so much more than the ones in Pakistan. Your justice system doesn't work because a proven criminal can get away with the crime.
    The point of punishment is to make the criminal feel the horrible consequences of their crimes and that in no way can be done by just prison or even worse, a mental institution where anyone can pretend to be crazy. An eye for an eye is just and if something like this ever happened to any of you self-righteous people I swear you'd be calling for an eye for an eye punishment.

    December 30, 2009 at 5:12 am | Reply
  199. Carole Clarke

    While the sentence may work in their part of the Third World, I am more concerned about the young woman's future. It would be easy to reconstruct her nose by bringing a section of skin and flesh down from her forehead. (My cousin lost most of her nose due to skin cancer and a new one was fashioned from her forehead.) But would that negate the court-sentenced mutilation on her attackers? If she is repaired do they have to be too? Yet the attitude of her villagers was fantastic – in earlier times the woman would've been blamed for not going along but this is an admission that men are not always in the right and that women are entitled to legal and social justice.

    December 30, 2009 at 5:41 am | Reply
  200. abdalla somali

    sure revenge bunishment works it helps bibi psychlogicaly and cruel ataakcers deserves that

    December 30, 2009 at 6:48 am | Reply
  201. Arjun

    I totally agree with the punishment. This is not revenge. Also, this case should be highlighted all across so that barbarians like them think twenty times before doing such an act.

    December 30, 2009 at 8:22 am | Reply
  202. Albert K.

    Not sure if it is fair, deter people from choosing violence, or if an eye for an eye works, but I feel beter knowing these jerks will get some of what they deserve.

    December 30, 2009 at 8:31 am | Reply
  203. SNMH

    an eye for any eye makes every body hold to thier eye and deter from violence. making everbody blind argument is non sense,after all it only few warped minded people commit such heanious crime.

    December 30, 2009 at 8:43 am | Reply
  204. jabelar

    There is a reason that all progressive religion and society have moved beyond an eye for an eye - it breeds and endless cycle of violence. Someone has to turn the other cheek at some point. Christ, Buddha, famous Zen and Taoist masters, Ghandi, and many other notables were spiritual inspiration for billions due to their difficult but necessary message of breaking cycles of violence. If we didn't break these cycles then we'd still be in a Revolutionary War with England, there would still be an active insurgency in the Southern States, we'd still be battling Germany and Japan, etc. It is only by saying "we will forget your violence to show you a better way" that we have come as far as we have. Punishing feels good, but that hard feeling you get towards the criminal is keeping you separated from being a better person.

    December 30, 2009 at 9:28 am | Reply
  205. Bill

    The problem with punishment like this is that innocent people will eventually get punished for something they didn't do. I'm not saying that these people are innocent, but eventually the courts are going to mess up.

    It's bad enough to put someone in jail for a crime they didn't commit, but what happens when someone gets maimed for a crime that they didn't commit?

    December 30, 2009 at 9:33 am | Reply
  206. Anna

    It is very sad and unfair that criminals get light punishments in the US and Europe (Julian Vigo), but there, in the Muslim world, they are a lot less 'civilized' and a lot more barbarians than anywhere in this world so let them get what they deserve. If these are the only measures that could stop them, let it be!

    December 30, 2009 at 10:39 am | Reply
  207. PakiInTheUSA

    Being a Pakistani Canadian in USA I am in much better position to understand that why Mr. Judge has given this verdict. Usually, these kinds of incidents don't even go in court in our country- they are settled outside the court. If the Judge would not have given this verdict then most likely the tribe/relatives of this girl would have taken revenge on their own. Please note that revenge is sadly part of our culture and there is a long cycle of kiling after one killing which can go on for decades sometimes. Court decision has for the time being stopped that cycle of violence. Although I do not belevive in harsh punishments myself but cannot disagree with this verdict given the circumstances. I doubt that higher court will probably not allow this punishment but still it has sent a strong message to everybody in my beloved country thanks to the power of media in Pakistan.

    December 30, 2009 at 11:21 am | Reply
  208. Judy

    I'm so overwhelmed by the horror of what was done to her, that it is hard to say what to do. I agree that they should pay for reconstructive surgery and travel expenses to receive it. However, if some of the statements above are true, then the sentence won't be carried out anyway. The evil in me would like to see them pay physically, but on the other hand revenge keeps the evil going.

    It seems to me that the best thing to do is to get her and her family out of there, first. Then decide the punishment. Posting their pictures and what they have done everywhere sounds like a good idea, then their lives will be ruined like hers. If the sentence will actually be carried out, put them in jail for a very long time with her picture and theirs posted everywhere.

    December 30, 2009 at 11:53 am | Reply
  209. Linus

    If CNN or any other news orginization reported every case of violence in the U.S. that was brutal, that would be the only news. The act of cutting off the young ladies nose only happens every once in a while. That's news. A rape in the U.S. happens every few minutes that's not news, that's common place. It's not good in fact it stinks. The Islamic world is such a different world to folks in the U.S. America has not open there eyes to what extreme Islam is. All people should be protected and treated equally. What culture you are in doesn't make a difference, we are all human.

    December 30, 2009 at 11:55 am | Reply
  210. Linus

    Anna, you can not call these people barbaric. What makes you think your so civilized. Your culture is yours and they have there own. What you consider civil they may consider barbaric and vice versa.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:02 pm | Reply
  211. travelingsuper

    Yes, I agree with the judge. The same mutilation is a fitting punishment. And to answer Julian from New York. I don't think that the Muslims are getting more attention concerning crimes against women here in our own country. But, I do believe the Muslim world treats their women very wrong. This past year a 13 year old Muslim girl was stoned death after being gang raped because she was talking to one of the men and he was not a relative. Another Muslim women has been sentenced to be publicly flogged for wearing slacks in public. And the list goes on.
    Unfortunately, you live in the bubble of America. Go to some of these countries and see for yourself and then come back and see if you are willing to chastise CNN again.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:02 pm | Reply
  212. Awakened Patriot

    If "eye for an eye" justice is acceptable, then the 9-11 murderers and all of the other jihadis deserve to be terrorized and incinerated without mercy.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:05 pm | Reply
  213. ron guido

    in events like this it is difficult not to seek extract eye for an eye. in Canada, it is not uncommon for convicted murderers to be out on the street in less than ten years and commit more capital crimes. meanwhile, the recidivist rate for those executed remains at zero percent. if you are not a liberal when you are twenty you don't have a heart. if you are not a conservative by forty, you don't have a brain. I aspire to a higher solution; alas it escapes me at this moment given the photos.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:09 pm | Reply
  214. Paul Roth

    Code of Hammurabi. The codes are now ancient but so is the base nature of the human animal. It's elemental. You hurt me then I have the right to hurt you.Maybe the courts should determine the guilt and the victims the punishment. Justice and revenge dispensed by the same peoples that have become victims of barbarism.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:22 pm | Reply
  215. Eric

    Ok – focus people. This is not about Pakistan vs. the USA. This is about revenge punishments – which they allow in some places, but not in Westernized nations. I don't really care about the debate on whether revenge punishments work as a deterrent or not. To me, it's not just about deterring future crimes. We spend far too much time as a society, worrying about how we treat the most vile people on the planet. I would argue that we have a much better chance of the society and world condition that we all dream of, with the elimination of of those who commit the worst violent crimes. Take Mike Huckabee's pardon of the young man who had ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED AND SENTENCED for rape in murder. Because he was let out, he had the opportunity to murder four police officers on their coffee break. Don't you wish he hadn't done that? Here is a great example of a situation where an "eye-for-an-eye" punishment would have worked much, much better.

    Stop being soft on the worlds sickest people. Sometimes baseball bat justice would not only feel better, but it also would work better.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:41 pm | Reply
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  217. Claudette Gunness

    I really hope that the law of Moses "An Eye for an Eye' is not just symbolic and that these men can go free on an appeal. I hope it means what it says. They all must have the same and worse mutilation exacted on them.
    I am sick to know that no matter where you go in the world, WOMEN are the ones who suffer at the hands of MEN. Why? At this moment I am not concerened with 9/11 or Canada or the USA and what has been done as far as some of the comments have read. It is equally bad and up for comments. WHAT is relevant NOW is this young lady and what has been done to her. We all have to give her ENCOURAGEMENT to go on, to let her know that she MUST have the COURAGE to go out, walk the streets and face peple anywhere. She MUST conquer the fear. She is still beautiful and any man who really is in love with her in the future will look beyond her mutilation and LOVE her for who she is.
    She MUST face her attackers and show them that they have not won. She will get better and come back a STRONGER young woman, who will INSPIRE all others in her country.
    Just warn ALL young girls to be very careful in that part of the world. IF you do not want to marry a man then DONT. There are MANY nice young men in your country. Better still protcet yourselves. If you are approached use a weapon if you need to. Me I would rather die fighting and take a few with me than to be subjected to a life with some man that I did not like.

    December 30, 2009 at 12:54 pm | Reply
  218. Simba

    These men should be burned alive!

    December 30, 2009 at 12:58 pm | Reply
  219. Claudette Gunness

    I just looked at your photos. You are Still that nice young woman. Please one day you will NOT be afraid. One day you will get a nice young man and your house and beautiful children. I promise you. DO NOT give up.
    You WILL have all and more than you ever wished for. I am sorry that your mother passed away, it was just too much for her to see you like that. This is all the more reason why you CANNOT give up just like that. Do NOT let her death be in vain.
    I hope that a kind doctor will get you counselling to help you go on. Once you STOP being afraid, and it will take some time, you will get better.
    To the NASTY LOW LIFE men who did this. DO NOT WORRY. Your time is coming soon and very soon. I hope you will be preapred because your pain will be worse than hers. Remember you also have sisters and cousins and mothers, they are all females. What you give out in one hand yoy will get back in the other. RETRIBUTION is the law of GOD. No matter what name you call God by, there is STILL God. You will be paid according to your works.

    Young lady Pray without ceasing. GOD is not sleeping.

    December 30, 2009 at 1:10 pm | Reply
  220. Muthyavan.

    Eye for an eye justice is a form of savagery,while accepting a strong punishment of impressment and fine imposed on the group of peoples responsible for these savage punishment meted to a innocent young lady. Pakistan law of justice is very much corrupted and not to the international standard of accepted humanity law of justice. That is why that country is ridden with violence,hatred, political corruptions and have turned to be real threat to the world peace loving Muslim community .

    December 30, 2009 at 1:21 pm | Reply
  221. Sayb

    I believe eye for eye is very fair for those ppl who committed such crime.
    but in those country some ppl who are belong to a well known family in the region they get a way with everything, they bribe the police, bribe the law and get out, so if a judge made such a call they should honor it right a way before they find a way and get out and kill more ppl.

    if someone think he has the right to take someone else's life, than that person has no right to live either.

    December 30, 2009 at 1:22 pm | Reply
  222. Sarah

    An eye for an eye... what a joke. When you go down such a path, you're no better than the one that committed the crime in the first place.

    December 30, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Reply
  223. buckwheat

    They should have gotten the death penalty. It would not stop the crime but these nuts would be gone as a threat to other women. As I have said before, religion is our worst threat to our existance ,not bombs and bullets ,as neither have brains. Religion has nothing to do with God.Man invented religion to use as a tool to control.God does not cut off noses to make a point.

    December 30, 2009 at 1:36 pm | Reply
  224. buckwheat

    I do not agree with CNN's politics but you have done a great service putting this story out there so we can more understand the mess we face in the future with this kind of thinking.Have a Happy New Year in a country that is like no where else in this world.

    December 30, 2009 at 1:43 pm | Reply
  225. Rambosmom

    If we would implement the same punishment in the U.S. maybe people would think twice before committing the acts they do...violence is rampant and the threat of jail time does not work. Our jails are overcrowded and we as taxpayers pay for these thugs to have 3 meals a day and a roof over their head, play basketball and work out with free weights...some even have traveling baseball teams that play other institutions...going to jail is like going to summer camp and these thugs don't care if they go to jail...then we let them out and 80% of them are back in jail for another crime within 6 months I go along with the eye for an eye...or in this case, a nose for a nose!

    December 30, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Reply
  226. Bxgrrl

    If subjecting them to the same barbarism worked, she and her family wouldn't have to still be afraid, would they? "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." – Gandhi

    December 30, 2009 at 1:55 pm | Reply
  227. John R

    I think the attackers are getting exatly what they deserve. Some people are argueing that revenge punishments push us back into the "darkness." The fact of the matter is there are evil people out there who will do terrible things to other people unless the consequences are sever enough. If these people think the pain they inflict on others will be inflicted back on them they will be much more weary about how far they are willing to go.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Reply
  228. devo

    It sounds like harsh punishment but I am sure it doesn't sound harsh enough to the victims. Attacks such as this need to be stopped and a slap on the hand won't do it. I think much crime is punished too leniently ESPECIALLY when the victims are children or the defenseless. I think an eye for an eye is definitely an excellent deterrent.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Reply
  229. Benjamin

    God excist and He will help,those people will be punished,sooner or later.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  230. Lila

    Eddie, if such revenge practices worked, the sure knowledge that if they were caught, their own noses would be cut off would have detered these men.

    There was an Emperor in Rome named Draco. He got sick and tired of all the crime in his empire and decided to put an end it once and for all. His solution? Hand out the death penalty for all crimes. Surely if punishment worked, this would have been handed down through the centuries to our generation. It did not work. Thus, the word "Draconian".

    An eye for an eye, the whole world be blind. While revenge punishment appeals to our emotions, it does not make for justice or peace, it does not stop future crimes, and merely perpetuates that notion that violence works.

    I agree put them in jail. Make them pay for her surgery. Try to rehabilitate and educate not only these men, but all of society. Will it work? I don't know. Violence certainly does not.

    Revenge punishment appeals to a very visceral part of of our pysche, including my own, but it does not does break the cycle of violence. It works better in our imaginations than it does in the real world.

    If revenge punishment worked, there would be no crimes of violence in the Muslim world.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  231. jeff

    well ill say this eye for an eye justice is certainly more effective than our current justice system. what would happen if something like this example of mutilation happened in america? the attackers not only would receive constant media coverage, and gain celebrity like fame in the short term, but since they didnt kill the girl they would get a few years in prison, and let out early (either with "good behavior" or overcrowding either way). so before i start to rant ne more i say right on with eye for an justice the benefits would be seen immediately and everyone who says its barbaric would be eating their words

    December 30, 2009 at 2:08 pm | Reply
  232. Claudette Gunness

    For all those who think that an eye for an eye is barbaric and savage and whatever. Just pray that NOTHING like this happens to you or your family. Then and only then will we find out what you feel about giving out the same barbaric punishment. AND NO if they meet the same fate, it would NEVER mean that we are just as bad as they are. People who think like that are the same ones who says two wrongs DONT make a right, because they are usually the ones making the wrong.
    2 wrongs = 1 RIGHT

    December 30, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Reply
  233. Anonymous

    I don't think we, as United States citizens, have a right or a responsibility to judge another country's decision on a judgement, just as I would not want another country or its citizens to make a judgement on a decision made by one of our courts. Whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant. Yes, it was a heinous act. Let their court system decide what is best for their criminals and their citizens.
    That is the problem with the United States- we try to impose our morals, mores & belief systems on other countries and we have no business doing that whatsoever. Let them take care of their own just as we should be taking care of our own.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Reply
  234. mmhmm

    I don't think every crime deserves mercy, and this is one such example. I also think people who commit rape and murder and those who commit fraud (like Madoff) should not be allowed outside of prisons for the rest of their entire life, if we should keep them alive at all.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:27 pm | Reply
  235. Tracy

    "Ruth December 29th, 2009 1422 GMT

    What about rehabilitation. Can modern medicine help restructure her face? Does that kind of punishment work? If it is in practice in that part of the world obviously it doesn't or this wouldn't have happened. "

    I saw this and kind of struck me. what kind of punishment would work though? jail/prison time? if anything I would almost say that is even less of a deterent. look at the jails in the US. many are filling up beyond capacity at this point because using jail as a deterent isn't work. fines are fairly easy compared to jail/prison time I would say.

    what about the death penalty? I would almost ventue to say that using the same logic that it doesn't work either as people to this day are still doing crimes that can land them on death row. in some ways as well I would almost consider the death penalty to be more barbaric then the eye for eye.

    so what else can we do then?

    December 30, 2009 at 2:31 pm | Reply
  236. so8181

    I think an "eye for an eye" is just what this world, and namely America needs! This world is getting too populated, causing more pollution, more hunger and famine, more crimes, higher inflation, etc. Think about it.

    So, what's the solution, cut down on the killers, murders, criminals etc, that aren't doing anything good for society except making things harder for the rest of us.

    I mean let's face it people, we are suppose to be a civilized people, but we live with and take care of those who are out to harm us? It's the equavalent of having a family with children living with a pitbull that has rabies and everyone knows it, but we let it live, because it's the humaine thing to do. Let the animal live.

    What we need to do is stop being so easy and, take care of ourselves the best possible way, and the only way to do that is by setting harsh punishments, getting rid of all the murders, rapists, child predators, and all other serious heinous criminals in this world!

    December 30, 2009 at 2:32 pm | Reply
  237. diane

    I know many many people who have multiple homes, boats, multiple cars, their kids go to private schools and they have mandatory multiple vacations a year. All they do is spend. Hey! One of you step up and help give this girl reconstructive surgery!

    December 30, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Reply
  238. Pete

    My hope is that a plastic surgeon (from the US?) might be moved by this poor woman's plight to offer his/her services to reconstruct a new nose and repair her ear. Would help improve relations between our two countries... and demonstrate our compassion for someone in need.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:35 pm | Reply
  239. Jg

    We are animals. We respond to punishment and the threat of pain, just as any other animal does. That we've managed to develop language and society is the greatest reason to continue with just punishments such as this. We do not want this in our world, and these men certainly understood this. They simply did not have the motivations to not commit it. Now other men in their society will understand.

    High-minded idealism in the face of the brutal reality of our existence is a losing battle. The punishment is violent, but it servers the purposes of justice and social deterrence. I only wish America wasn't so afraid to punish people in the same manner - so our cities are overrun with thugs and criminals who have no fear of true justice.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:52 pm | Reply
  240. Zach

    It's cases like these that define what human beings are, and what societies we will create. It's our most difficult challenge to look directly at evil and manage to hold onto our highest selves. But it's our actions in such instances by which we draw our character. Revenge does not move forward, it moves deeper into darkness. As much as we want to give measure to the most barbaric of us, don't we want a higher humanity even more? What should the punishment be for these people, who are less than men? Put them in a zoo. Put them in cages and on display for all to see, to allow us to observe what we choose not to be.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:00 pm | Reply
  241. Robb Clarksen

    I agree with Julian Vigo from New York below.

    Yes, eye for an eye is an appropriate punishment as it is the law in Pakistan. Why would CNN call this into question, except but to suggest that it is not?

    I wish some crimes that occur in the US would be questioned, like drunk driving which equates to a slap in the wrist and kills millions each year.

    Where is the coverage of this? does it not provide for the proper sensationalism, or the We Vs They diorama that CNN loves to continue to overdramatize?

    Some day there will be actual newsworthyness in what we now call reporting.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:08 pm | Reply
  242. Chickpea

    Sometimes I wish the US would indulge in a little revenge punishment...

    December 30, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Reply
  243. P. Lewis

    Yes, I think the punishment needs to fit the crime. Perhaps this punishment will deter someone else, at the very least if these men spend the rest of their life in prison they can't do it again.
    Some have expressed the opinion that this is a type of crime unique to Muslim countries. It is not. I live in the U.S. A few years ago a woman in my city was attacked by her ex-husband. He dragged her from her home poured gasoline on her and set her on fire. His punishment was very light. The judge sentenced him to only a couple years in prison because he was drunk at the time he did it. Do you think his punishment will make anyone think twice about doing the same thing?
    The consequences must fit the crime or it will keep happening.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:16 pm | Reply
  244. arvind pathak

    the aim of punishment is to deliver justice and act as a deterrant to would be criminals .in rare cases like this the punishment has to go beyond the constitutional justice system .the cause of the act was psycho-sexual in nature requires commensurate punishment of the same nature where the criminal undergoes same or more amount oe torture for his life ,out here the inititor of the crime is criminal libido governed by gonads and the rest .the criminal needs to be emasculated and imprisoned for life ,his eyesight should be left intact to see his prey but helpless to take any action.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Reply
  245. Dannye

    I like the post about creating a website to help this poor young woman with plastic surgery, and help her get her joyful spirit back. Also, free counseling for her and her family so that they can be helped to heal.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:19 pm | Reply
  246. Kari

    Eye for an eye. Worked in Bible times perfectly, so I can't see why we can't incorporate it today. Rapes, beatings, mutilations.....all crimes should be punishable by the same way they were committed.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:19 pm | Reply
  247. Garrett

    To those who don't believe "an eye for an eye" would work: I highly doubt that if someone cut your nose off you would still feel so tolerant.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:22 pm | Reply
  248. ANGELA

    Eye for and EYE, I work in law enforcement and see how inmates spend their days watching tv, hangn out with thier new friends, working out, free food, free bed, no bills to pay, only punishment is freedom to go as they please, and when they do get out 8 of 10 come back, we have no correction or rehab put in place, so why not eye of an eye, maybe they would think twice before doing something else, only problem with that is how would you deal with the drug dealers? which is one of the main problems and it leads to worse problems??

    December 30, 2009 at 3:29 pm | Reply
  249. Artist

    These comments are written in English so I suppose that many of the writers may be American. Most seem to agree with eye for an eye justice and capital punishment. So why is our country so lenient on criminals? Slap on the wrist punishment is obviously not working, so why haven't our citizens changed the system?

    December 30, 2009 at 3:30 pm | Reply
  250. Chantelle

    I believe the punishment should fit the crime. In this case, the punishment fits the crime.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:31 pm | Reply
  251. 4Angels

    Julian – couldn't agree more! Maybe our justice system (here in the US) could take a hint from this judge. Good for them for acknowledging that the woman is weaker in their culture and because of her position in need of someone to protect her and set an example to deter further acts of violence on them. And, yes, I think that an eye for an eye is appropriate here. Anything less and this woman, her cousin, or one of her other family members will wind up dead (which may happen anyway but I guarantee they'll rethink it first). She, her brother, and her father have suffered enough already. Thank you for sharing the article CNN, she deserves a voice not because she's a muslim or where she lives, but because she is a victim. It would be nice to see these same sentences imposed on assailants here in the US.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:37 pm | Reply
  252. Bob

    I think part of the problem with the justice system in general is that it is not swift enough. When someone is caught in the act of committing a brutal crime, justice needs to be swift. I am absolutely in favor of the death penalty in cases like the military base in Texas. Here you have the perpetrator. They should march that guy out back. End of story! Same is true for this idiot from Nigeria. Take him out back! Even though he didn't kill anyone, the fact of the matter is that he had the intent and the US should not have to pay for his existence for the rest of his life. That's enough! What are taxpayers going to spend, a couple hundred thousand dollars a year for the rest of his life? That about $12m! For what? By putting a swift end to these creeps, this would send a huge message that we are not going to take this anymore. By the same token, just to prove that I'm not heartless, where crimes cannot be proven by direct means and only by circumstantial evidence, I am absolutely opposed to the death penalty.

    In this case, these bastards have ruined this poor women's life and I strongly believe they have no place on this earth. This was a hidious crime! I have no problem with the "eye for an eye" approach, and I'm thrilled that they will experience the same brutality and will be serving life sentences. It sounds horrible to say that, but picture your own daughter having her face mutilated by some jackass for some unbelieveably ridiculous reason! I'd do the mutilation myself! Very just!

    December 30, 2009 at 3:38 pm | Reply
  253. Cody

    Yes. They deserved what they got. People here in the US commit so many crimes because the rules are weak. The punishments are weak. Given an accident, it shouldn't be so harsh. But when someone deliberately destroys a human's life like that they deserve harsh punishment. And prison should be harder on the inmates again. Make them break rocks all day. That way they won't have time to plan murders and rapes of other inmates.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:41 pm | Reply
  254. Brad H.

    If I was this poor Victim, I would want eye for and eye and maybe a lot more! Criminals need to know what they deal out is going to be taken out on them as well! I believe the act shoukld confined to the criminal only. If this criminal shot your brother to get at you, you don't shoot the criminals brother out of revenge. Shoot the origial shooter and let them see how it feels and send a message to all the wanna-be criminals out there!

    December 30, 2009 at 3:43 pm | Reply
  255. EKF

    Not to go off topic from the post, but is plastic surgery a possibility for Fazeelat Bibi? If so is there a charity taking donations on her behalf?

    December 30, 2009 at 3:54 pm | Reply
  256. just a mom

    Yes, eye for an eye all the way. There are people saying that we should be more civilized and humane. That kind of thinking is lost on animals like the ones who commit crimes like this. As all societies should be, there are consequences for actions. A life of a innocent woman is ruined and all the conversation is on how to find justice. There is no justice to be found for her physically or mental. She will live with this for the rest of her life, as will her family. My concern is for her, not her assailants. Crimes committed against another should be punished severely. Especially crimes committed against women and children. There is no argument here that the world can be an ugly place, but words and logic will not change that. Words and logic are not what caused this, tolerance and blindness to a society where this could even be contemplated is what did. Eye for an eye leave everyone blind? Seems to me blindness allowed this to happen.

    December 30, 2009 at 3:56 pm | Reply
  257. Anniejm

    In a society where men feel they can mutilate a woman for refusing a marriage proposal what option does a court have other than to give it right back to them and then some?
    Some here have said that they feel it doesn't work and that a system similar to the US courts is a better, and more fair, option.
    PLEASE people!!
    I have spent time in the middle east. The mentality is NOT the same as it is here! This is a culture that respects power and strength over justice and fairness. A court similar to the US system would be laughed at. Why is it, do you think, that so many middle eastern defendants in US courts "refuse" to acknowledge the courts authority?!? Because the system is laughable to them! The only, ONLY way to get through to them in their societal equivilancy is to use an "eye for an eye" system of justice, but with a harsher outcome for the perpetrator in the end(eye for an eye, and then jail time)!!!
    Please people, if you've never experienced a culture don't try and act as an expert on what should be done in their justice system!

    December 30, 2009 at 4:03 pm | Reply
  258. Juan

    For those opposed to "an eye for an eye", would you continue to be opposed if someone mutilated your daughter's face? Or your mother's face?

    December 30, 2009 at 4:10 pm | Reply
  259. Juan

    Bob, you make an excellent point. People that go to prison are on easy street – free TV, health insurance, educational opportunities, phone calls, visitors, etc. Their only concern is whether or not they become someone's "Nancy" while they're incarcerated. Other than that, it's a stress free life while people like us who go to work every day in order to provide the tax dollars that support these criminals.

    December 30, 2009 at 4:29 pm | Reply
  260. rjz

    While it is heartening to read the few comments that recognize answering violence with violence is not the answer, it is shocking to see so many readily signing up to the eye-for-an-eye barbarism taught to them by their primitive abrahamic religions.

    The criminals have viciously broken the rules of peaceful society. They must be removed from it. Committing further violence is, unfortunately, not an effective deterrent. Do criminals really weigh their actions against the punishment in a rational way? Can you imagine a person who is seriously considering murder wondering what the consequences are?

    Do you not murder those who have wronged you because you know it is wrong to do so or because you are afraid of the consequences. I can only conclude that those who support the eye-for-an-eye philosophy have so immoral that the only reason they do not steal from others, murder their enemies, or rape little children isn't for lack of desire but for fear of consequences or hell. Disgusting.

    December 30, 2009 at 4:29 pm | Reply
  261. eye4eye

    Why was the mother dead when she woke up in the hospital, was it related to the attack on the family? If so, they should not only exact the eye for an eye punishment, they should castrate all of the males from the offending family. The threat of eliminating any future family lineage (especially males) might just be enough of a deterrent to stop that kind of violence.
    As for the rapists in this country? They should be thrown to the wolves in a prison yard to be gang violated in the same way. Child rapists should simply have a bullet to the head (that would certainly cut down on repeat offenders!)

    December 30, 2009 at 4:47 pm | Reply
  262. arrowhead

    Nikki...try not to fall into the typical American norm to blindly believe everything FOX tells you without doing some research. In regards to Islamic law, one needs 4 witnesses in order to be punished for adultery. It's meant as a means to protect people from false accusations. It's incorrect to say that if you dont have 4 witnesses, in Islamic law, you're punished. That may be what happens in some Muslim countries, but that's not representative of Islamic law.

    Joe...I cited my stats. I'd love to see a source that says that the 1 in 3 statistic is exaggerated. The truth is, some women ARE afraid to report rape here, and everywhere. Just a few weeks ago, an article on CNN reported of a rape on a college campus that wasn't initially reported by the girl, because she was scared.

    We need to grow up in this country. We're not living in a Utopia. We're not perfect. Bad things happen here just as much as any other country. Our justice system is FAR from perfect. And for any pretentious individuals who'd love to parade around their human rights flag and say the punishment is barbaric, I'd love to see your reaction if these guys had cut off your nose...or something else. Bet you wouldnt be so preachy then.

    December 30, 2009 at 4:53 pm | Reply
  263. Chanel

    An Eye for an Eye is exactly what this case needed. It's not okay in all situations because there may be a chance the person is innocent, but when the person is undoubtedly guilty... it works, and works well.

    December 30, 2009 at 4:54 pm | Reply
  264. arrowhead

    Also, I completely support the idea of a charity set up for this beautiful young lady to fund a plastic surgery operation. I've contacted CNN and asked if this is possible and I urge anyone else who was moved by this story to do the same!!

    December 30, 2009 at 4:55 pm | Reply
  265. Jereme Hubble

    This is exactly what these men deserve. Only let the woman do the cutting. I know for sure I would think twice before I did a crime there. Here is the US the punishment is a joke- our whole court system is a joke. We have so many people complaining and no one telling them to shut up- The only people who are against this type of punishment are the ones who have never had this happen to them. So if you think it is harsh punishment then let me know what you think your life is worth. If someone carves away your face and the result leaves your mother dead would you tell the judge to please go gentle on the men.. I say cause as much pain to these men as humanly possible... Then cause more.

    December 30, 2009 at 5:29 pm | Reply
  266. Christian L

    It makes me sick to read all these let's-turn-the-clock-back-a-few-hundred-years revenge-hate emails.

    An eye for an eye? Where would that lead? Now that the US bombed Iraq into pieces, should the US be bombed to pieces too? That's excatly how Al-Qaeda thinks, and an appalling number of CNN readers seem to agree.

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

    December 30, 2009 at 5:46 pm | Reply
  267. Day

    The reason this coverage is significant is because of the sentence. A frustration I have with cases of brutality (murder in particular) in America is not just the crime, but the audacity of a person “truly” guilty of murder appealing their own death penalty. I do think if one had to consider that they would suffer the same fate that they perpetrated against others there would be some serious reconsideration.

    December 30, 2009 at 5:53 pm | Reply
  268. Craig

    Yes Jim, in this case 2 wrongs DO make a right. Our country would do well to start dishing out some eye for an eye punishment as well.

    December 30, 2009 at 6:10 pm | Reply
  269. buckwheat

    The Chinese have a sure cure for drug smuggling and have rules. They just proved it. We sit here and say "now don't you do that anymore" and send them up for a day or two if they have 10 or twelve charges on them.

    December 30, 2009 at 6:14 pm | Reply
  270. Dan

    This talk of us human beings holding on to our "Higher selves" is a bunch of crap.

    If you want to deter someone from doing crime, you have to make the punishment harsh. Here in the US, crime pays....why do you think our jails are overflowing with rapists and other criminals.

    If someone rapes a woman, make them a Eunuch. Not only will it prevent it from occurring again, it will certainly deter others from it as well. Crime goes down, problem solved. We are too politically correct and too "nice" to see that sometimes the easiest solution is THE solution.

    December 30, 2009 at 6:14 pm | Reply
  271. Just Perfect

    This is perfect. His intent was to squash her marriage opportunities, but not impede his own. Now that will be rectified. There needs to be consequences for these perps that would attack women who have fewer rights and freedoms and therefore warrant more protection.

    December 30, 2009 at 6:26 pm | Reply
  272. Denise

    Endless AGONISING about whether or not to exact REVENGE is the cog in the whole punishment-wheel. For PUNISHMENT, Ironically – since AS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WESTERN LAW ETHOS: "...Must not only BE DONE, but more importantly: BE SEEN TO BE DONE." i say not just ONE-EYE for an Eye: but TWO!!!!
    Seriously: think about it: if the so-called Men who cut off Fazeelat's Nose and Ear were made to lose NOT ONLY THOSE TWO MEMBERS ALONE, BUT TWO MORE....firstly, this particular group – and all of their friends and family-members who wait in the wings, thinking of doing the SAME THING IN FUTURE, would be – literally – given pause. The SAVAGE FREAK-SHOW THAT IS ISLAM, for it is by NO WAY A RELIGION, has – much like a RETARDED CHILD, got to FEEL THE PINCH OF ITS OWN BRUTAL SHOE, before it DECIDES to hear, preach and abide by a different – more HUMAN TALE from its savage allah.

    December 30, 2009 at 6:26 pm | Reply
  273. Elena103

    The courts in that country should decide the proper punishment for that crime. It is their choice. The comment made here by Mr. Hubble is understandable in this terrible case.
    This woman should be able to have surgery and restore her lovely face to the way it was. There must be a doctor somewhere that can do this, or at least set up a fund for this woman to have the surgery.

    She deserves to have her life restored.
    My sincerest sympathy to her and her mother,
    May God be with you..

    December 30, 2009 at 6:41 pm | Reply
  274. Riddle me this..

    If these creatures walk around with their noses cut off that seems fair, but at the same time that will also make a bond in the village between them and the lady they attacked. They will always have the same scars and she now will actually have an attachment to those creatures (I refuse to call them men). Granted I think we would all love to see these horrible creatures dealt with in a fashion that is equal to or worse than what they did, but that would not be morrally correct. You could do what americans do, they can lock them away and spend the villigers money feeding them and boarding them. Doesn't seem fair either so, THE ONLY solution is a quick publicised execution. This removes them completely and lets it be known society will not tolerate this behavior period and you will be removed from life. The lady can move along with her life and hopefully some rich person in America will pay for her plastic surgery and hope that people will pitch in to help her and her family after loosing their mother and having their family torn apart.

    December 30, 2009 at 6:56 pm | Reply
  275. Elena103

    The countries who have strictest punishments have very little crime. It's my guess they don't have any problems of overcrowding in their prisons as we do. Or for that matter, the inmates they release from prison committing the same crimes.
    Maybe we should pay more attention to their laws, and make some changes to our own.

    December 30, 2009 at 7:07 pm | Reply
  276. joellen

    This culture is not our culture. Yes, this is fair and these men will be treated as they think a man has the right to treat a woman. Having to walk around with the same punishment they thought a woman deserved is a double shame to them. And just. Perhaps, they or a younger man/men WILL think twice before believing it is their right to treat a woman this way.

    December 30, 2009 at 8:06 pm | Reply
  277. Summer

    II believe if more criminals knew they would be subjected to the same horrific pain, torture and fear that they inflect on their helpless victims they would probably less crimes. The judicial systems needs to be swift with actions and punishment.

    December 30, 2009 at 8:07 pm | Reply
  278. Drezz

    Violent crime in the world is on the rise, yet punishment for these crimes is getting softer and softer. You can cry and whine all you want about "well an eye for an eye makes everybody blind. Or that puniushment of this kind is barbaric and uncivilized. Thats stupid. She has to live with their actions everyday. Ask any rape, mutilation, or beating victim, they will tell you it affects them every day of their lives.
    Whats uncivilized is expecting the victim to just go on like nothing happened, or enjoy the short sentence they get for their barbarism before living in fear everyday of reprisals.
    What do u do when justice is lost? What is your recourse as a victim, when youve tried to let the justice system work as youre suppossed to do, and it fails? some americans believe that that should be the end of it, you just have to grin and bear it. How many more times is a victim suppossed to be "civilized" about being raped? or mutilated? or beaten to a bloody pulp? Yes this is justified I think. I feel no sympathy for her attackers. let them look in the mirror everyday and see the consequences of their actions. The only thing I see wrong is the judge needs to have tattooed on their forehead of what they did so others that see them can put 2 and 2 together.
    And also I take offence to the idiot that alluded to a person that supports eye for and eye type justice is something akin to a closet pedophile.

    December 30, 2009 at 8:13 pm | Reply
  279. joellen

    Oh and absolutely – there must be a way for us to get some $$$ together to help this young woman – can CNN let us know if donations will be taken up for her?

    I donate to my own countrymen and women too – just to head off any comments. I give to charity instead of getting Christmas presents each year so hold the 'there are lots of people in this country ....'. I can't believe that there would be American who wouldn't want to help this girl.

    December 30, 2009 at 8:32 pm | Reply
  280. sosadnews

    My comment is directed to all of those who feel the punishment is wrong. Can you for just a minute or two put aside your views and, being totally honest with yourself, imagine how you would feel or what you would want the punishment to be if the victim was your sister, your mother or your daughter. Remember, be honest with yourself. And keep in mind that this horrible act did not happen in this country but in a society that does not place the same value on its female population as we do here. This poor woman is doomed to a life alone through no fault of her own and many of you seem to have lost sight of that.

    December 30, 2009 at 10:07 pm | Reply
  281. Dannye

    Nothing we do can change what has happened. However, there is a beautiful young girl who needs help with plastic surgery. I have contacted CNN to see if they can coordinate help. Rather than discuss something we cannot change, why don't we take some positive action and let this young girl know we care and we want to help.

    December 31, 2009 at 12:06 am | Reply
  282. David

    Julian Vigo, mutilation is uncommon? What are you talking about? What does the high school rape have to do with anything – all countries have crimes, revenge mutilations make some regions more "unique" and thats whats going to get reported on.

    December 31, 2009 at 1:07 am | Reply
  283. rasul

    right decision..should be applied to the western world as well...maybe then the crime rate will surely go down and it will save taxes payers a lot of money!
    criminals live way far better than anybody else outside the jails.they do not think before they commit their odious crimes because they know they will be taken care of in jail.
    rape the rapist..kill the killers..and so on

    December 31, 2009 at 2:33 am | Reply
  284. Lord Mumuni

    Who so ever disagree with the punishment, should also disagree with rule of law, why must Saadam Hussien, been convicted?

    The evil doers, must pay for thier acts with complete force of judiciary, without excemption. all we can do as one world was to limit violence ways of life, we can not put an end to it. the act of evil has come to stay in the world from day-one, i mean thousands of years back, and we are still recycling it. may Allah forgive us.

    December 31, 2009 at 5:21 am | Reply
  285. Umer

    There are many commects saying "Two wrongs never make a right"
    That may be true but the sure as hell can stop a third wrong from happening.

    In the report the woman said ""I just want to see the same that happened to me happen to the accused". We cannot imagine what she has been through and what lies for her in the future. Believe me her wounds will heal but her soul wont.

    December 31, 2009 at 8:22 am | Reply
  286. Nana Gyesie

    i am enjoying the comments on this issue..very exciting

    December 31, 2009 at 8:44 am | Reply
  287. Benjamin

    I personally consider an Islamic law better and more effective.In our laws he would be released after few years,always they find some mitigating factor, or may be even not pronounced guilty.

    December 31, 2009 at 10:41 am | Reply
  288. buckwheat

    These comments should be sent to our lawmakers to let them know that the majority of the people do not support politacally correct and feel the money spent in fighting crime here in the states is mostly wasted in our courts. We will never stop crime here until we swiftly get rid of the vermin that think selling dope and robbing innocent people is the norm. We should also get the cops out of the plush cars they sit their butts in and get them on the street where the crime is.Computers are worthless in stopping drug deals.Every drug dealer in this country has a cell phone and knows as soon as a squad car comes within five miles of them. Drug selling should be punishable by immediate execution and no first time offender easy trip back to the streets. It is your kids they are killing.

    December 31, 2009 at 1:36 pm | Reply
  289. lulu

    If they wanted to disfigure her on purpose then the punishment is justified,but they wanted to kill her which is worse , I say they must be killed .

    January 1, 2010 at 7:10 pm | Reply
  290. ike

    mixed feelings on this one. i don't think people should be getting hands chopped off, etc., for crimes as is common under sharia. life for muslim women in that part of the world is brutal, and this seems to be something that isn't unheard of. because of that, i can't feel much sympathy for her attackers. if this had happened here in the US, i'd be inclined to think differently, id think the jailterm is sufficient. but in pakistan, men have so much power over women, and this particular woman not only had to endure the daily struggles, but is now scarred and will likely not be able to find a husband. she might be viewed as useless and shunned by family, etc. sad but true in those parts of the world. because of this, the attackers deserve a much harsher punishment, so slicing their noses and ears doesn't seem too cruel and barbaric. not to say i support this though, just saying i empathize

    January 3, 2010 at 12:15 am | Reply
  291. leaping frog

    Are you kidding me!This was an cruel and hateful thing that these... I can't even say the word... did! I say chop all of their noses off and slice an ear! The fine should go up and make them pay for an nose and ear job for the girl.Oh yes! Indeed I do believe in an eye for an eye. This is maddness people are going insane! You have people going around chopping off noses!Unfortunately these crazy nut jobs keep poping up out of the woodworks.

    February 4, 2010 at 7:03 pm | Reply
  292. leaping frog

    Are you kidding me!This was an cruel and hateful thing that these pigs did! I say chop all of their noses off and slice an ear and then kill them! I also think whatever money they have should go towards an nose and ear job for the girl.Oh yes! Indeed I do believe in an eye for an eye. This is maddness people are going insane! You have people going around chopping off noses!Unfortunately these crazy nut jobs keep poping up out of the woodworks. If they were to do things like this in the USA alot of the crap that's going on now would not be happening.

    February 4, 2010 at 7:23 pm | Reply

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