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Special report: Is the war in Afghanistan worth it?

September 9th, 2010
02:04 PM ET

It has been nearly a decade since American and coalition troops entered Afghanistan as part of a global war on terror and as September 11 approaches once again, both critics and supporters of the invasion are evaluating what the future holds.

The war started back on October 7, 2001 in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks by Al Qaeda in an attempt to oust the Taliban and destroy Al Qaeda's base in Afghanistan.

More than 35 countries joined U.S. forces as part of "Operation Enduring Freedom" and in total more than 100,00 soldiers were part of the NATO – International Security Assistance Force invasion.

Inititally, military operations went smoothly and the Taliban regime quickly fell, but as the years went on, the situation only worsened.

The political situation on the ground is still very perilous, and security forces are still struggling to contain insurgents and militants operating in the country.

More than 2,000 American and coalition troops have been killed and thousands more have been injured since the start of the war.

Unpopularity with the war in Afghanistan among Americans reached an all-time high according to recent CNN poll with 62 percent saying they oppose it.

Moreover, confidence in the Afghan government is even lower than it is for the Iraqi government. Seven in 10 Americans are not confident that Hamid Karzai's government can handle the situation there.

We held a special online debate alongside our hour long report. Here's a look at some of the highlights of our show and some of the great comments that you shared with us.

soundoff (407 Responses)
  1. Brenda O'Connor

    NO! The war was/is not worth it.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:32 pm | Reply
  2. Kayrow

    Of course it was worth it. This helped governments export Afghan opium.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:35 pm | Reply
  3. lefty avenger

    None of these wars are worth it unless you are a war profiteer. These wars were for oil and natural gas pipelines. If you are Blackwater or Exxon Mobil these wars are totally awesome. You use the U.S. military as your own private security force to capture what you need most: oil!. All alternative energy possibilities are stifled and the war is on. You use 9/11 aka another Reichstag and get the people behind you. The Weapons manufacturers and the military industrial complex have a bonanza making profit off of human misery. You kill 100,000 poor people and the world hates you but no problem, stock options went up! This is the truth and it hurts.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:40 pm | Reply
  4. JB Kemble

    Anyone interested in this topic should read the article by Nobel winner Joe Stiglitz and Harvard Professor Linda Bilmes in last week's Washington Post. They explain that we cut spending in Afghanistan for 4 years while we got distracted in Iraq; in fact spending 5x more money and troops in Iraq. The question is: if we hadn't invaded Iraq wouldn't we have done better in Afghanistan?

    September 9, 2010 at 2:41 pm | Reply
  5. stephan wagner

    Well, I remember the old days in the late sixties, when the US fought another disastrous war. Vietnam. There must be a lesson to be taught, one way or the other. It is hard to see how young american servicemen, not drafted like in Vietnam but still, are dying in a place where no one really seems to like them, in spite of huge efforts to help.
    Where is the chinese and russian (well, you know all about the eralier russians in Afghanistan, don't you...) efforts for help.
    Always the americans, always.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:42 pm | Reply
  6. Christopher

    Forget the Soviet experience in Afghanistan. Look at the history of the British in the early 20th century. What most people don't realize is that the present national borders in the Middle East are all leftovers of the British Empire. Before the British, loyalties were determined by clan, ethnicity and religion; this is still very much the case today regardless of where the "border" may lie. These people do not have a shared "nationality", therefore any attempt to impose one will be artificial and will be of limited, if any, success.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:42 pm | Reply
  7. Rajesh

    Afghanistan war was absolutely worth it, while I dont have the same feelings for Iraq.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:42 pm | Reply
  8. Pate

    It is absurd that the question is being asked as if there is a debate to be had. I suppose the military contractors might believe their no bid contracts made it worth it to them.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:44 pm | Reply
  9. Whut?

    shouldn't that read IS and not WAS? We are still at war there are we not?

    September 9, 2010 at 2:45 pm | Reply
  10. james s roberts, dallas, texas

    The second question is the important of the three; ".......what does the future for Afghanistan hold?" and more importantly for WHO- America, Afghanistians, Muslims, exactly WHO's view. Americans don't live in Afghanistan, they're only concerned with continuing their lifestyle, SECURELY, regardless of world consequences and squash/destroy anything preventing it; economic war, trade wars, military wars. Secondly, I don't know what "....war ever be won?" means, since know one has ever defined "won" in absolute terms, If it means the Afghanistans will like Americans I doubt "won" is possible. Not in my lifetime. What Amercians think is irrelevant, it's what the Afghanistans think, the world thinks that's important. USA is no longer the center of the universe.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:46 pm | Reply
  11. Gil Oberdas

    How can a war fought against the same people (Taliban) that we called Freedom Fighters when they were fighting the soviets be worth it? The Taliban have been fighting to free their country of foreign occupation for some 130 years and now we call them terrorists and insurgents. I wish them much success their current occupation!

    September 9, 2010 at 2:49 pm | Reply
  12. MedicParatrooper

    Was it worth it? Yes. America could not have sat on its hands and did nothing as a reult of Sept 11. That would show the world that we are weak and it would give terriostist the green light to attack us when ever they wanted. Besides most of americans at the time would have questioned our goverment and been outragged if we did nothing. The problem that our troops now face is a result of the currnet ROE that govern how they react. Also the american people need to stop worrying about the collateral damage done to the civilian population. This is war and collateral damage has always been a part if it. Once the ROE is more relaxed and the american people stop focusing on the bad, the war in Afghainstan can be won.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:50 pm | Reply
  13. PJ Geohagen

    What will the US gain from this war? What is "victory" there? Obama says it is necessary, but why does he think that? I say no, the war is a waste of American blood and treasure, and the Afghans love it for the US soldiers to die for them when they are not even building up their own army to protect themselves.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:52 pm | Reply
  14. MRC

    Two separate questions: 1) Was the original invasion worth it? 2) Was it worth keeping things going this long?

    The invasion was necessary in some form or another. The Taliban were willing accomplices in a major attack and had the U.S. not responded it would have sent a very dangerous message.

    The Afghan war, though, was horribly mismanaged and, more to the point, the was not a full administration commitment to see it through (the Iraq invasion plans being a distraction). The administration and the military can be forgiven to a degree for being a little unprepared for a conflict that came as a surprise, but that the conflict continued to be mismanaged and under-supported for so long is not forgivable.

    The question now is whether there is really a path to stability in Afghanistan given that the people have such little faith in anything their government is doing.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:52 pm | Reply
  15. FrankyB

    It was not worth it any more than Iraq was worth it. If Bin Laden (remember him?) had been caught or killed and we just came home that would have sent the message we needed to send. But at the time it just seemed like too many Americans just wanted to stomp on somebody's sandbox. Having been to that part of the world it was obvious to me what was going to happen and I'm nobody. Why didn't "they" (those leading the charge at the time) get it? If I can I am sure they could have, they just didn't want to. Very presumptuous of us to think we could turn a culture 5,000 years old; those people have seen everything.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:54 pm | Reply
  16. CNNbiased

    "Was"? Did the war end while I was asleep?

    September 9, 2010 at 2:54 pm | Reply
  17. Bill D

    As boy I vivedly recall our brave heros of WWII climbing up the mountains in the south pacific
    to reach the caves the enemy were hiding in while killing many of them. As I watch the news
    from afganastan it appears our young men are again climbing the mountains and being killed
    by the hidden enemy. In the many many years since WWII we have spent untold billions
    on sophisticated weaponry. This weaponry should have been used to level the mountains where
    BinLaden and his band were hiding after 9/11. Thus showing the enemy our resolve to deal
    with terror attacks swiftly and with lethal force. Our brave young fighting force should be brought
    home now. The enemy should be told we will retaliate for any attacks they perpitrate against
    us, that we will be watching from the skies. Which we are more than able to do. The so called
    governments of the middle east need to oversee thier country and deal with the factions as
    they see fit. Stuffing democracy down countrys throats is not our job nor is it appropriate for
    some people of the world. Our own country is in need of financial stabilty our debt is out of
    control along with unemployment, which is directly effecting our family structures. We have to
    elect leaders who have the grit to do whats necessary to make America the country it used
    to be strong proud and respected

    September 9, 2010 at 2:54 pm | Reply
  18. Ethernet

    Brenda – How old are you 18? The reason why i ask is most of our young adults we around 11 or so when the war started. So all they have to go on is propaganda. Is it worth it? Is any war worth it? Dunno, but the question is was it justified. They attacked us. Period. So it was completely justified. What about WWII when the japaness attacked us? Was that worth it? Don't confuse the Afaganistan with Iraq.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:55 pm | Reply
  19. tet1953

    Ousting Saddam and the Taliban were noble goals. However it appears that whether we stay another year or another decade both countries will descend into civil war or revert to dictatorship soon after we leave.
    I say leave now, use drones for confirmed targets or training camps, and concentrate on the home front.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:55 pm | Reply
  20. G. R.R.

    Was it the right thing to do? Yes. Was it conducted correctly ? Absolutely not. Rarely in US history has a cause and a war been more fouled up. In history books, President Bush and SOD Rumsfeld will go down as being some of the worst leaders of America's time. Even now, military strategy books have and will continue to be re-written to examine the nightmare that these two perpetrated on us and the world.
    Now, as to the original question, was it worth it? That will depend on the final outcome. At this time, there is no way to say. But if we cut and run, AQ continues and taliban re-takes Afghanistan to rape and pillage again, then no, it was not worth it. OTH, if we stop AQ/Taliban, and give Afghanistan a better future (which is still possible) then yes, it was worth it.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Reply
  21. Maybeben

    Was ousting the Taliban threat worth the human losses? Yes. Should it have taken the better part of a decade? No. No way. It should have been done with far less time, cost, and casualties. And that's to say nothing of the fact that Bin Laden is still out there. The war may have been justified, but history is going to have to ask some very serious questions as to why it was so apparently mismanaged.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Reply
  22. Hank Allen

    I do believe that the war in Afghanistan was worth it and that the war can be won.

    The U.S. entered the territory of Afghanistan in response to the attacks of 9/11...attacks by terrorists being harbored in Afghanistan by the Taliban-led government. After the Taliban refused to turn over Al Qaeda leaders (namely Osama Bin Laden) responsible for the attack, the U.S. attacked. After defeating Al Qaeda and successfully overthrowing the Taliban-led government of Afghanistan, it could be reasonably argued that our initial objectives were met, but we have the moral obligation to help Afghanistan restore governance.

    The objective of the war in Afghanistan is to prevent the country from again becoming a haven for international terrorism. In order to accomplish this objective, the U.S. and her allies must continue to execute a "people-centric" counterinsurgency campaign, protect the people, and assist the Afghan government in their attempts to restore their economic, social, and political infrastructure.

    In 2001 Afghanistan emerged as the 2nd poorest country in the world. A lot of progress has been made, but we have to remember where we started from. As the security situation stabilizes (short term goal) the international community will have to assist Afghanistan in economic development (mid-term goal) and educational development (long term goal).

    I believe that this is accomplishable. It does, however, require U.S. and international resolve.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Reply
  23. Davidk

    (from Dallas, TX) Of course this war was not worth it. Does anyone realize what we could have done with the money spent on this war by improving our national defense security at home, and abroad by investing in an international security network? Also by creating goodwill among middle eastern nations that would probably have helped us against the terror.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Reply
  24. Patricia ochs

    I believe the Russians had 180,000 troops in Afghanistan when they decided it as not a winnable situation..Can we not learn from them and realize we should leave the Afghani to solve their own problems?

    September 9, 2010 at 2:57 pm | Reply
  25. Paul Boomhower

    So far we've spent over $330 billion dollars, lost over 2000 American military lives, thousands more injured, countless civilians killed, and yet the Taliban keep fighting...
    Sounds to me like a front comprised of special forces and cruise missiles could have achieved the same result

    September 9, 2010 at 2:59 pm | Reply
  26. JuleS

    I was just asking myself on the way in this morning, "Why did we go to Afghanistan and why are we still there?" We are waging war in a country we habve no business being in. I can't deride those who attack our troops because they simply want us out of their country - it's why 9/11 happened and most everything before and since as it relates to attacks on US and other troops, citizens and even missionaries.

    When will Obama and the rest of the people who keep sending troops to the Middle East going to wake up and realize, what they do in their own country is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS! If it's for oil, then we need to shed our dependence on the stuff - which would very easily be if the oil companies didn't have such a stranglehold on our economy. The electric car was a viable concept, and product, 30 years ago until the oil and auto companies conspired to have the government take them off the streets - actually stealing them from their owners. That's your government at work.

    September 9, 2010 at 2:59 pm | Reply
  27. Chris

    Well it got George and Dick a second term didn't it? Even if it cost thousands of lives and over $1 trillion and wrecked the economy and made us all poor. Osama must be laughing.

    This was the right war, the Iraq war was a political sideshow which drew resources from Afghanistan. The Afghan war should have been finished and we should never have touched Iraq. Better still the CIA should have been funded to find and kill Osama and his cronies but without any overt activity, it may not be considered honorable to assassinate enemies but it is certainly cost effective.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:00 pm | Reply
  28. TallinOK

    The Afghanistan war was and is a waste of the courage of our men and women in uniform. They die and are wounded for what? So Karzai can continue with the corruption? So the western Afghani farmers can grow opium? To enable Afghani women to go to school? A total waste. You can't win the hearts and minds of people who live under the dominance of warlords and only have loyalty to their own villages. Get the American soldiers, contractors, and infrastructure specialists out. Nothing in Afghanistan is worth the sacrifice of American lives.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:01 pm | Reply
  29. Moji

    It never should have gotten to war status to begin with. If the previous regime had done their job and taken out Bin Laden at Tora Bora in late 2001 along with Mullah Omar this problem would have been licked. But instead they did not finish the job (typical politician screwing up military stuff) and then diverting attention away from what they left to go start a real war in Iraq which was unnecessary. Now, the troops and money being spent over there is ridiculous and yet it never had to happen. If you show your enemy mercy they will come back and we allowed that so nobody to blame but the politicians for continuing to get this Nation involved in things we don't have to.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:01 pm | Reply
  30. k

    Why does the title speak of the war in past tense? I see that someone made a hasty change on the story page but neglected to reflect that change on the main cnn page. Way to go CNN for your part in downplaying the sacrifices my brothers and sisters are making over in CENTCOM AOR. I'll make sure to pass the word on to them that the war is over.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:03 pm | Reply
  31. Nicholas Pruet

    The war in Afghanistan was worth it as was the war in Iraq. The Taliban had to be removed from power, as did Saddam Hussien. Tyranny, wherever it exists and in whatever form it manifests should not be permitted anywhere. Period. Tyranny should be eradicated, while the inhabitants of Afghanistan and Iraq should be able to coexist with thier fellow inhabitants to determine their destiny. During the Korean war the war was similarly unpopular with a very corrupt government. Eventually South Korea became a major economic force while the corrupt government was eventually replaced by one for the people in the 80's. Both wars will be worth the effort in the long-run and may serve as examples to other states in thier respective regions.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:03 pm | Reply
  32. Ben

    911 was/is an inside job. The wars on Afghanistan and Iraq are mass murder where nearly 2,000,000 innocent civilians are already dead, killed by our obscene military conquest for oil and world domination. Building 7 WTC is the SMOKING GUN! Arrest Bush and Cheney for mass murder and treason, convict and hang them by the neck until dead! End the wars on Iraq and Afghanistan now and bring our troops home!

    September 9, 2010 at 3:03 pm | Reply
  33. alex

    No at all...Sorry but Bush was too dumb to understand this. we needed a very strategic response to 911... our military posture for a decade has made thing worse...
    Hey but there is a positive side to this... WE keep up these wars for another decade and Haliburton will own US

    September 9, 2010 at 3:04 pm | Reply
  34. Craig from LA

    No, and neither was Iraq. 1 Trillion dollars spent, our precious blood shed, our military weakened, billions that must now be spent replacing all the equipment degraded after 10 years of conflict, an emboldened and unchecked Iran, America's image forever tarnished for torture, and we have multiplied our enemies among the 1.5 billion Muslim world. A fine result! Thank you conservatives!

    We should have sent in special forces in to wipe out the Al Queda bases and withdrawn. The Iraq vendetta was inexcusable. The damn Neo-Cons have so screwed up America's foreign policy that it will take generations to fix. If you want another war and more of the same idiocy, vote republican in 2010 and 2012.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:05 pm | Reply
  35. Bruce

    The question is acidemic and has little significance in the longer view. Afghanistan has a history of being at war and being conquered etc for almost 3,000 years. Our involvement since 2001 is a very minor one and we should recognize it, get out and let them go at it again in the comming decades since they seem destined for conflict by thier culture.
    BW from Southern California

    September 9, 2010 at 3:05 pm | Reply
  36. davidinhz

    Did the war make America safer? No, absolutely not. Could the money and resources have been better spent on education, infrastructure, medical care, and energy development? Absolutely yes. Were the lives of American servicemen and women lost in vain? Sadly, again, the answer is yes.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:05 pm | Reply
  37. Joe

    I'm not one of the wealthy "haves" as George W liked to say. I didn't benefit from the War Budget Gravy Train. I didn't get any No-Bid government contracts. I don't have a ton of money invested in stocks. I'm not employed by the powerful Military Industrial Complex. I don't hate and blame all Middle Eastern people for the acts of a radical few. So, I would say the war was not worth it.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:06 pm | Reply
  38. new yorker

    Ousting Al Queda was worth it.
    Keeping them on the run was worth it.
    Ousting the Taliban was not.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:10 pm | Reply
  39. RickyL

    The war was worth it........until we decided to stay. Our job was done in the first few months, but everything since then has been counter-productive.

    The blood, money and ill-will far outweigh whatever good that can possibly come from supporting the Karzai family in their struggle for the control of Kabul.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:10 pm | Reply
  40. El Gordo

    After 9/11, all of America supported the invasion of Afghanistan. We all hung flags out in front of our houses. Many Americans called opposition to this war treason. We all watched on CNN 24/7 for weeks.

    No one questioned anything, and if they did they were quickly hushed by the barrage of criticism and phoned-in death threats.

    Now we don't have much to show for the $5.5 trillion added to the national debt, do we?

    September 9, 2010 at 3:11 pm | Reply
  41. George D

    No, it's not worth it. Al Qaeda is still plotting against us. They were expelled from Afghanistan but they just had to set up shop somewhere else. Now the US became the custodian of a poor, backward, corrupt country and now will spend billions of $ to support it, not to mention about the Talibans who will probably regain power as soon as the US troops pull out. It was a total waste of US lives and resources. Like Iraq and Vietnam before that, the Afghanistan war is a misguided attempt to rid the world of evil. The only thing it proved is that, like in Iraq, the US can invade any country it wants.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:13 pm | Reply
  42. val7

    It was worth it all right. Unlike Iraq, this war is to prevent terrorists have a safe haven to hurt citizens around the world. It is worth the fight, it is worth the sacifice. I know that we can win this war if we are just willingly struggle through it.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:13 pm | Reply
  43. Jim

    Given 9/11, I don't think we had any choice but to go to war in Afghanistan. That being said, the only reasonable choices were how we conducted that war - there were many options - we could have:
    – Just dropped a few nukes
    – Gone in on the ground/air (as we did) and then just left once we dismantled the Taliban
    – Done what we did, but left earlier, claiming victory even though we knew it'd fall apart
    – Done what we did - work to build/support an Afghan government
    – Gone in, taken over, and truly "occupied" the country - calling the shots directly until we felt things were stable, then appointed someone we liked.

    That all being said, it's just a question of cost/benefit.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:14 pm | Reply
  44. Robert J. Day

    As it is turning out, NO, how ever it was necessary to respond after 911. The problem was going into Iraq, we took our eye off the ball. Now it is a real mess. The only smart thing to do is leave. The sooner the better.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:16 pm | Reply
  45. mike

    Not at all worth it as we have seen those who want to kill americans are here among us not in that rock pile of a country.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:17 pm | Reply
  46. Douglas

    I was a staunch conservative until my party recklessly launched us into two destabilizing and costly wars. I'm disgusted every time I hear a conservative pundit or politician continue to justify Iraq, which is clearly unjustifiable. Some action was required in Afghanistan but clearly nation-building there is impossible and I don't believe there is a clear enough plan that will achieve a long-term victory.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:18 pm | Reply
  47. DPMan

    It's funny...when families were hurting and smoke was still rising from the Ashes of 9/11, it was worth it then. The president at the time had 100% approval from almost everyone, including the elected officials the public placed into office.
    Hindsight is 20/20. How can you condemn something from the past that no one had ever faced based on the unforseeable consequences. It's like someone sitting in their recliner yelling at the quarterback on TV.
    We simply have to accept what was, and learn from it.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:18 pm | Reply
  48. beckhead25

    There isn't oil in afghanistan. After 9-11-01 everyone wanted to go to war in Afghanistan. Many democrats said they would in Iraq as well in 2003(hillary clinton). America can't afford to ignore foreign threats and must take our enemies head on before 3,000 or more Americans are dead. Liberals need to stop weakening America through failed policies and P.C. obsession.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:18 pm | Reply
  49. Tom

    bin Laden declared war on us and attacked on 9/11. He was hidden and supported by the Taliban who had the opportunity to turn him over to us and refused. Where's the debate? We did not want this war but had it fostered on us. The alternative is defeat.
    Media: Stop generating controversies just for rating and do what the first ammendment intended. Keep our country free – not increase your bottom line.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:19 pm | Reply
  50. neoritter

    We're fixing something we broke in the 80s. It's worth it.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:19 pm | Reply
  51. *ayla norris

    NO, not at all. I think it was stupied

    September 9, 2010 at 3:20 pm | Reply
  52. Robert Johnson

    I have yet to find ANYONE who thinks we should still be in Afghanistan.
    That the US is still there is testament that there are people making enormous profits from being over there.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:21 pm | Reply
  53. Peter

    NO ! Karzai and his brother appears corrupt. The US policy of trying to buy the hearts of people failed in IRAQ and here too, plus it is bankrupting our country. This place is just like Mexico a corrupt failed drug state.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:22 pm | Reply
  54. brian

    The English couldn't do it. The Russians couldn't do it.

    No one wins in any type of war. Hiroshima? That is something the world should never have to experience again.

    The loss of life on either side is not worth a victory. Throwing all our money at a spectacle when our economy is falling apart is mindless.

    Even if the US 'wins', all we are doing is breeding more hatred against the US, make the world a less than safe place.

    These comments are not against the military, since they aren't the ones deciding who we fight.

    It is directed against the leaders that wage war and those politicians that continue to support it.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:22 pm | Reply
  55. sam

    our initial reason(s) for invading afghanistan included:
    1) capturing or killing osama bin laden
    2) dismantling al qaeda
    in retaliation for the attacks of 9/11/01

    neither of these goals have been achieved yet, after nine years. are these goals still relevant? yes. do they merit more time and money? NO.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:23 pm | Reply
  56. erexx

    No it is not

    September 9, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Reply
  57. yasir_ mohammed

    No war is worth fighting
    same time it was necessary to throw a global threat Taliban out of power.

    but how would have NATO thrown Taliban without going on war ?

    In my opinion constant and systematic funding the rebel would have been easier and cheaper then.
    1.gaining enmity , widows and orphans.
    2.losing evil osama and mullah omer for ever.
    3.giving billions to Pakistan to give safe havens to above two.
    4.finally losing peace and discontent at home.

    most important it would have minimized the civilian casualties.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Reply
  58. ask

    If we had treated 9/11 as a criminal act like we did Oklahoma bombing, we would not have to go to war and have our soldiers killed.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Reply
  59. Drummer

    The US became directly involved in Afghanistan after September 11, 2001. Al Qaeda was operating out of Afghanistan with the support and approval of the Taliban government and NATO declared war on the country. Had the US directed the same resources as part of the NATO mission in Afghanistan as was provided to the Coalition of the Willing in Iraq, we might have a completely different picture in the middle east today.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:26 pm | Reply
  60. Betty

    Never should have started and now politics keeps it going

    September 9, 2010 at 3:26 pm | Reply
  61. rebnick

    Bin laden isn't there, we can't afford this war – Biden had the right idea, use the drones only on the terrorist camps and let's pull out the troops.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:28 pm | Reply
  62. NJ

    I believed it was a just cause in the beginning but after my brother a special ops pilot was killed in action in Afghanistan on his 5th tour(after 3 Iraq tours as well) I began the question what we were still doing there. I really want to believe my brother gave his life for a reason. It hurts to hear people say this was a mistake because my brother DIED for this and his children now have no father. At this point we should just bring them home NO ONE should have to go through what my family has been through, it has been hell.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:30 pm | Reply
  63. David Cagle

    How would you ever know if you won or not ?

    September 9, 2010 at 3:30 pm | Reply
  64. vee qwan

    No ! it is not worth .
    Democracy is a process not an act created by violence .Military is a short
    term intervention. Iraq -afghanistan is a mess , was a mess and will be a mess. American need to withdraw as soon as possible .Cold war is over
    American can promote democracy but we can only help poeple fight for it . If you don't fight for your selves , forget it.
    Every lessonn is different thru history , we can not learn and also we are very stupid .

    September 9, 2010 at 3:31 pm | Reply
  65. Zmarud Pashtun

    There is no doubt that the war in Afghanistan was worth it, for there could be no other reason than saving human dignity and freedom. The American public should not forget the atrocities meted out to the Afghan people by that brutal regime nor the should doubt the images in the electroninc and print media of the teenage girls with cut nose and ears and which is the case even today.Believe it or not if you encourage the Taliban by you teetring support for your troops you are leting down the sacrifices made by the men and women of the AA(Afghanistan and America). Not only that if the international cmmunity fails in a crucial place like Afghanistan in a crucial battle extremism will be knoking at your door not from one quarter but three.ie.Middle East(Yemen) East Africa(Somalia) and South and Centeral Asia(Pakistan and Afghanistan).
    As for the future of Afghanistan, it is doomed if we lose the war and whatevere has been achieved so far will be cast to the wind, and forget not that we have achieved much in that country and achieved so dearly. Let it be remided that the American public should visualize the peculaire conditions in Afghanistan where progress could be painfully slow.
    Is the war winable? Absolutely yes. As an inhabitant of the area I will do the following things.
    Try to Know the psyche of the Pashtun
    Be very committed
    Prevail over the regional media especially the neighbouring countries
    Win the local perception about the war
    Out smarten the Taliban in thier tactics
    Focus on Southeastren Afghanistan
    However, having said and done all those things nothing will succed if we fail to control neighbouring spy agencies. Remember you are not fighting the Taliban but against stakeholders in the region.
    Zmarud Pashtun
    AfPak Border

    September 9, 2010 at 3:31 pm | Reply
  66. Deryk Houston

    The war is bankrupting the United States in both blood and money. The only people who profit from war are the people who provide billion dollar high tech war machines. Not to mention the corrupt Afghan officials who have been widely reported to be flying out plane loads of cash to banks outside Afghanistan.
    The future of Afghanistan will likely see America withdraw it's troops at a point that the American people say no more to the bloodshed and massive crippling costs. The Afghan government will have made deals with various groups........ groups that are exactly the ones the American's didn't want to see have any power in Afghanistan.....but that will be what will happen. Karzai is already making deals with these groups as Nato troops are blown to pieces by these very same groups.
    By the way.....Nato is no where near an "international" force. It does not include China, India, the Soviet Union, Pakistan, Afghanistan, or many other countries.
    Peace be with you.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:33 pm | Reply
  67. chris

    Nope. Not unless we have Osama stashed away somewhere. That was the point, right? And if we have him, let's get the heck out.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:33 pm | Reply
  68. Dawn Ramsay

    As an Army wife, I suggest you ask the wives, children, and families of the deceased and injured soldiers or marines.....we pay the ultimate cost.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:33 pm | Reply
  69. Nofets

    If we had not gone into Afghanistan following the September 11th attacks, this would have read: "Should we have attacked the Taliban?" As a population, we are never happy nor satisfied with our current situation.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:34 pm | Reply
  70. carol

    El Gordo, I spoke against the war when we declared it shortly after 9/11. I did not think we could win, did not want to lose countless lives both military and civilian. You are right, I was called a traitor by friends, family and co-workers. Bush's famous line, "If you are not with us, you are against us". I was against all the violence that would come with this war. Everyone else seemd to think this war would be so easy and so fast to win. It has been nothing but painful for everyone involved all the way around.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:34 pm | Reply
  71. Dillon

    Yall are not thinking about the bigger picture here. We have men that are willing to put their lives on the line to protect YOUR right to have this right here, freedom of speech. They gave up their families and their freedoms just so you could bad mouth them? No thats not fair. You should seriously think about what you say. Yes it costs money and lives but they sign those papers knowing that risk. If we would've stood back and let 9-11 happen we would have been marked as weak and the attacks would've continued. So remember the reason you get to express your opinions are because of those people over there and the past presidents who put that in motion. They did the best they could with the hand they were delt.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:34 pm | Reply
  72. USArmy 25B

    camp liberty, baghdad, iraq/ this war wont end nor the one in Afghanistan or any other in the name of "the war against terrorism". Evil begets evil, feeding the fanaticism on each side of the fence. No, the silent rulers of this world behind the governments and beyond the tethers of society have chosen a new mechanism for herding social order, and its terrorism. I'm afraid we have only begun to scratch the surface of a new chapter in human history and it wont be until enough innocent ppl like Pfc. Bradley Manning, martyrs in the struggle for world peace that our species will be free of its own hatred and reach a higher level of enlightenment.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:35 pm | Reply
  73. jubei3

    If you profit from it monetarily or politically these wars are worth it. if you had to pay for it with either money, blood, sweat, tears it stands to reason "no war is worth it". the question of the debate is flawed.

    Did we get anything out of either the Iraq war or Afghanistan war? NO

    That is my opinion, The little bit of revenge cost us too great a cost. Revenge ..was it worth it? would be a better question.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:36 pm | Reply
  74. duh

    bush screwed it up by diverting attention to sadam. We had bin laden in tora bora but were not willing to take him out.
    Russia failed in afghanistan but we were aiding them against russia.

    the destabilizing this region by removing sadam has totally screwed us in this area. China benefits 100% from bush's idiocy. and the shia belt will tighten around us

    September 9, 2010 at 3:36 pm | Reply
  75. Porter

    No It was not! It was good to go let them know that America will not put up with their attacks (9-11) but to stay there and try to set up a new kind of government NO! We can learn from how these people do Israel they are a thorn in their side. when they attack attack back with power and come home and protect our borders! Every American life is precious and to send them to their deaths needlessly is shameful. Didn't we learn ANYTHING from Vietnam??

    September 9, 2010 at 3:38 pm | Reply
  76. Renato

    The problem is what will come after the war.

    will the country be helped to focus on education and give women freedom while at the same time making sure people are safe and fed?

    Will the U.N enforce a ban on Opium fields that not only dont help the country but makes their farmers live in slavery while at the same time affecting the whole world with the resulting drugs?

    giving Afeghanistan money and expecting them to build a country wont work happens everyday in african countries.

    What afeghanistan needs is education and jobs thats how you build a country.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:39 pm | Reply
  77. Andre Colling

    Depends on who you ask. The was has certainly cost many lives whether in a just cause or not is unclear. It is clear that democracy does not exist as most people can not vote, the country is insecure at multiple levels and the prospects of a stable state in the long run remain unlikely. There remains no clear exit strategy at the moment and the country's neighbours are unable to provide a level of support to the current administration if the NATO forces left.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:39 pm | Reply
  78. Mike S.

    Apparently it was worth it to Dick Cheney and George Bush Jr. It installed Halliburton in Iraq, and placed the U.S. in the heart of the heroin capital of the world.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:39 pm | Reply
  79. Ed

    War is only worth something to the politicians whom called for it. To all others, war is hell.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:39 pm | Reply
  80. james greene

    Why are we there???????????? The Russians were ther for years and years and finally gave up. The current goverment is totally corrupt. We as a country are going bankrupt and spending billions of dollars on a lost cause.We are shedding American blood for what????? The American people are fed up with this war! We are in a recession and need out tax dollrars spent in this country not some far away land with a corrupt goverment.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:39 pm | Reply
  81. eric

    to gil: I am actually over in afghan right now and for you to even suggest the "freedom fighters" success is down right wrong. I am here with men and women who are mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, sons, and daughters. since when did we forget that we are still fighting this war? whether we are "winning or losing" it shouldn't distract anyone that there are still those of us who joined the military with hopes of supporting our country and were ordered here. our beliefs on whether the war is right or wrong, worth it or not, lost or won, shouldn't matter to any of you. try supporting those of us who are trying to do the right thing by supporting our country by doing what we are told instead of just writing about your thoughts on the internet!

    September 9, 2010 at 3:41 pm | Reply
  82. rip deverman

    from Bonn Germany...
    A BIG NO!!!! to both questions.....
    unfortunetly 9 years have gone by since September 11th took place...there are Still...to many TRUTHFULLY unanswered questions as to WHAT HAPPENED....the 911 Commision Report did not even touch on what happened to WT 7....we all saw that implode on tv that day also...now it was just FIRE..or so the government says....MANY PROFESSIONALS beg to differ...but main stream media...doesn't give them air time...and the president just wants to TURN THE PAGE AN MOVE ON....GREAT CHANGE .....
    the TRUTH from that day will put America even deeper in disgrace than the 2 wars it started...
    American politicans NEVER DID nor EVER WILL understand the people of Afganistan....they are different....NOT BAD....just different....instead of spending trillions of borrowed dollars from us..our kids.. our grandchildren and their grandchildren to KILL innocent civilians...they could spend much less to help them...along with the millions of americans who are unemployed. underemployed..homeless..losing their homes...sick..and uninsured....
    of course american politicians do not really understand Main Street Americans either...so the outlook for Afganistan is going to be like driving down MAIN STREET in anytown USA..EMPTY....

    September 9, 2010 at 3:41 pm | Reply
  83. Rick McDaniel

    Only if the Taliban are totally eliminated from the face of the planet!

    September 9, 2010 at 3:41 pm | Reply
  84. Elly

    Both the wars were not worth the human sacrifice!
    The lowest credible estimates as of August 10 2010 !

    The death rate for both wars=919,967

    Afghan troops=8587
    Iraqi Troops=30,000
    American troops=5554
    Remainder=Contractors, journalists and mostly innocent civilians!!
    Taliban and Al Qaeda=No One seems to know????
    Total Injured between both wars
    the Ironic part is the one who was behind 911 is still walking around
    in spite of all the carnage mentioned above!

    At some point someone has to have the *courage* to stand up and say enough is enough and End this war!!!
    the money going to these wars could be better spent
    beefing up our borders and ports, airports and subways!
    Screening people better who come into the country
    Maybe even set up special task forces to deal with the home grown terrorists

    If these wars were for revenge I would say we have all gotten our revenge and then some!

    *Confucius say" If you embark on a journey of revenge dig two graves"

    September 9, 2010 at 3:42 pm | Reply
  85. Bill870

    It was the Afghanistan government, ruled by the Taliban, who helped Osama Bin Laden attack us on 9/11.
    Most Afghanistan's liked us for helping them fight the soviets all those years ago. Most were sick of the Taliban themselves. We should have been in and out of there quickly.
    We end up diverting our forces to Iraq and screw the whole thing up. Now there is really no good solution to the mess.
    Personally I was ready to wipe out the Taliban when they blew up those historical statues.....

    September 9, 2010 at 3:44 pm | Reply
  86. Ed

    also, if i hear one more person invoke 9/11 as a reason to kill more people, i am literally going to vomit. I saw the towers fall from my home. At the time I worked calling into the 82nd FL (if i recall correct ) port authority construction office for plans and specs. I was mad also at the time. but i was young and foolish once also. and know now that you shouldn't ask for more blood when blood is spilt. And for some people it may take a lifetime to realize. But from now on I expect more rational logic from our politicians

    September 9, 2010 at 3:44 pm | Reply
  87. Tim

    This is the wrong question. It was the Iraqi War that was not worth it and that diverted our attention from the Afghan War which I believe was necessary to disrupt and dislodge Al Quaeda and destroy his ability to have a safe training area. Someone on this blog asked if we were safer because of the Afghan War. How can one measure that? We are safer in the sense that we have disrupted their ability to train and organize, but does one measure our success by the fact that we have not had another major terrorist act in this country or by the problems and terrorist acts elsewhere in the world? I do believe that the war was necessary, but we botched it due to Iraqi War, which was not. Perhaps if we had kept our concentration on Afghanistan, we would have been celebrating departing that country a few years ago.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:45 pm | Reply
  88. JEM

    We were blatantly lied into WW1 and to a lessor degree lied into WW2.
    Therefore, there is a high probability we were lied into at least one of our two current wars.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:45 pm | Reply
  89. Jack

    Was it worth it? Idunno, are we getting those minerals?

    September 9, 2010 at 3:46 pm | Reply
  90. JDubs

    Unfortunately, we live in a dog-eat-dog world. It's kill or be killed.

    We could go around debating all day whether the war was worth it, but the way that I see it, if we hadn't pounced on the situation when we did, and rather sat here in the US and did nothing, there would be many MORE Americans dead as a result of more terrorist attacks.

    If the war on terror did anything, it diminished the confidence of the Taliban, and this has been shown throughout the past decade or so.

    YES, we might not have been flawless in our attempts, but the bottom line is that there has been no domesitc terror attacks from our middle eastern friends.

    "If you want peace, prepare for war"

    September 9, 2010 at 3:47 pm | Reply
  91. Gaz

    Not worth it.
    Many lives have been lost.
    No area's have been secured.
    We are no safer.
    We didn't get Bin Laden.
    Democracy & equality haven't taken root.
    It's cost a fortune at the expense and suffering of domestic advances.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:48 pm | Reply
  92. Helmi Kuukka

    As a human being living outside Usa i see only the sacrifice of all men and women who have been there in bad situations and have served their country/ Army in dangerous conditions. They have proudly done that i guess. I lift my hat to everyone in the forces of Nato, UN, Usa and the others, who have tried to save some civilation (if any has been there) in poor violent countries. Many families have and will lose their children, husbands or wives in places like Iraq and Afganistan. I dont see why all these wars have to be so long. If the economy of different countries is going allways in front of everything, we have no hope to shorten the wars or so called peacekeepings.. I guess the american voters have some value in when you are voting in next elections. Be wise there, will you. I hope less wars and more education and food and water to poor countries.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:48 pm | Reply
  93. Greg

    Russia couldn't win and Afghanistan is in their backyard. We have to foot the cost of going all the way over there and the rest of the costs of war. Playing good cop / bad cop ups the cost. Either blow the place up or don't bother fighting. Prolonged war makes no sense. Throwing money at the Afghan government makes as much sense as investing in a termite infested house. One of my gripes with Obama is his upping the ante in Afghanistan when we have so much trouble here.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:49 pm | Reply
  94. Robert

    No, it was not worth one American life.

    If George Bush and Cheney were there doing WHAT THEY DIDN'T DO WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG... that would totally be worth it!

    September 9, 2010 at 3:50 pm | Reply
  95. Missy

    Oh hell NO!

    September 9, 2010 at 3:50 pm | Reply
  96. Zach

    This is not a debate, there is only one answer: no.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:50 pm | Reply
  97. Shan

    I was free the day before 9/11, I was free the day of 9/11, and until this say I am still free!!! None of these wars are or will ever be worth it. Pat urselves on the back America , too late now to change course. We broke it now stay and fix it. Or 9/11 will repeat itself!

    September 9, 2010 at 3:50 pm | Reply
  98. rebnick

    If every morning all the people that are unemployed or families of people that are unemployed would write the White House


    to say we can't afford this war, maybe it would make a difference.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:52 pm | Reply
  99. Earl Wicks

    You would think that our leaders, with the knowledge (1)of what transpired when Russia (a huge power) gave up and left Afghanistan (2) the length of time we have spent there with little progress and (3) that the country will probably never stabilize, would make plans to remove our forces right away. We cannot afford to take care of the world anymore. Our middle class tax payers are about to revolt.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:52 pm | Reply
  100. TPaine18

    Yes! This is the "good" war, that Bush ruined by actually getting something done in Iraq.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:52 pm | Reply
  101. p

    Hey Ethernet-
    Afghanistan, to the best of my recollection, never attacked the USA.
    A bunch of guys from Saudi Arabia did.
    Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia?
    How long must we be over there? This is nothing but the perpetual American War Machine, that sucks up billions and spits out the lives of our beloved kid soldiers.
    So much money is made, and stolen in wars, that I don't see them ending anytime soon. Too many people get rich during a war.
    If the repubs had won the presidency (God forbid) we'd be at war with Iran right now. IMO.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:52 pm | Reply
  102. logan

    Is any war worth it?

    September 9, 2010 at 3:52 pm | Reply
  103. Pat Linton

    We're fighting folks that have been fighting hundreds of years before America was born. They fight each other for fun. We will not change them. I think we need to pull back into America for a while and stop changing the diapers of other nations. This is like wiping your butt on a wagon wheel. It's the same crap over and over...

    September 9, 2010 at 3:55 pm | Reply
  104. Gomez

    I'm a member of the military and I say the war in Afghanistan is warranted and worth the fight, and the war in Iraq was not.
    No one else but the parents of those service members should be the only members of this nation who should make the decision to go to war since they are the ones that have more to lose. Maybe then we would go to war for just causes.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:56 pm | Reply
  105. dee

    All the deaths and mutilations of our service men and women, and the only thing supporters of the war can say is"We got rid of a tyrant, the world is safer" Tell that to the parents of the soldiers who lost their lives. We went in on the emotins of anger, and as people became more educated about the war, and the relationship that our government had with the middle east(OIL) became public, the majority of the country had enough.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:57 pm | Reply
  106. Bill

    If we had gone into Afghanistan w shock and awe, instead of treating it as a sideline to the invasion of Iraq, it would have been worth it. We had the opportunity to get Osama bin Laden, and we blew it, thanks to Bush's infatuation w Saddam Hussein. All I want is Osama's head on the end of a spike. Thanks a lot Dubya.

    September 9, 2010 at 3:57 pm | Reply
  107. Larry

    We should have sent in special ops to find BinLauden and stayed out of local government. The Talaban will prevail once we leave, thousands of years of tradition will not be undone until the locals change it. We cannot afford to continue to save the world and say we are preserving our freedom by doing so.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:00 pm | Reply
  108. lordpet

    It's a question of necessity, not worth. We obviously needed to invade to dislodge the Taliban and get Al Qaeda. I don't see room for debate here. If there are any questions, it's about the prosecution of the war. We didn't destroy OBL and his cronies when they were holed up in Tora Bora and took our eye off the ball to invade Iraq. Who attacked us on 9/11, Al Qaeda or Saddam? Now people are tired of fighting in Afghanistan and want to pull out. This isn't an option, as the Taliban and Al Qaeda will regenerate. We will just have to go in again. We need to do whatever it takes to prevent that from happening.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:00 pm | Reply
  109. bailoutsos

    Of course the cost of war is worth it. Just ask Halliburton.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:01 pm | Reply
  110. Dude

    stephan wagner – how can you even compare Vietnam with the war in Afgan....the article stated we have lost about 2000 soldiers to the day in Afgan. We lost 60,000 in vietnam.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:01 pm | Reply
  111. Sean

    To succeed we will have to stay there several generations (25 to 50 years) until the country can succeed economically on it's own. If we don't the Taliban will simply role back into power as soon as we leave.
    We knew this going in as this has been our experience in any area where there are ethnic conflicts (the Balkans come to mind). We should have just gone in after Bin Laden which in the end we failed at do to Rumsfeld not allowing special forces to drop in behind Tora Bora. Again we have to make the commitment to make a country stable, including economically, before we decide to force a regime change. For Afghanistan we knew that would take several generations (50 years) and many trillions of dollars to occur. If you're not willing to make that commitment up front then don't attempt a regime change.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:01 pm | Reply
  112. chris, tx

    the Afghan War was completely justified given that in 2001 Afghanistan was the HQ for Al Qaeda and the gov't was run by the Taliban. Since OBL was based out of Afghanistan and the gov't was hostel to the USofA i think what we did on 10/7/2001 was right. Most of America thought it was right too. The problem was that we got our attention focused on Iraq for no obvious reason. While we spend 6/7 yrs focusing resources in Iraq we could have been & should have been focusing heavily on Afghanistan. We owe it to those people to help them set up whatever type of gov't they as a people want. One that isn't as demeaning to human right as the previous gov't was. They were probably doing just fine in their part of the world till the Soviets invaded in the 80's since then they have been struggling b/c we did not help them. what happened because of that? 20 yrs later on 9/11/01 we were all shocked to realize we were now in the crosshairs of a gov't and organization made up of people wronged by the USofA. We need to learn from our mistakes and use these newly discovered resources as a way to give these people a new export that could easily bring them into the 21st century. Hey you wanted "green jobs" i believe this is part of it

    September 9, 2010 at 4:01 pm | Reply
  113. Charlie

    I think we should ask the guy who was sitting on the 87th floor of the Twin Towers the morning of the attacks of 9/11. You know, the guy who had just got to work, was sitting down, on the phone, and just happened to look out the window to see the nose of a jet liner about 50 feet from where he was sitting.

    Someone go find that guy and ask him if standing up and kicking some butt in defense of your core belief's was right or wrong.

    Then come back and sing us a song.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:02 pm | Reply
  114. josephhyde

    War is our pathetic attempt to control the behavior of others. Non-participation is the first step in any sane response to aggression.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:02 pm | Reply
  115. Darr

    How can anyone say it was worth it when our country is nearly bankrupt with a 13 trillion dollar deficit and "victory" in Afghanistan is many many years away if at all? Investment and economic recovery here at home are being shortchanged due to war funding, 1 in 5 in America go hungry at at night, folks can't afford healthcare coverage, they're losing their homes, jobs etc and our imcompetent government of course, is more concerned about folks thousands of miles away, building their schools and infrustructure and sending away 27 billion in aid every year.
    I have a relative currently fighting in Afghanistan, so these wars cannot end soon enough for me. Especially after nearly a decade you question whether they should have been deployed there at all. Our government obviously underestimated the insurgency there and had no clue of the culture and will of our enemies. Our engagement rules also tie the hands of our troops and it makes it difficult for them to defend themselves, they're basically sitting ducks.
    We can't change radical Islam and no amount of nation building, diplomacy or millitary effort will change that.
    We have a huge problem w/ violent drug cartel activity near our southerm border w/Mexico and I feel it makes more sense to have our National Guard on the border protecting Americans and Latin Americans from being slaughtered like the 72 would be immigrants.
    1,200 National Guard that Obama had sent is clearly not enough or sufficient to minimize what's going on there.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:02 pm | Reply
  116. Ali

    We all know afghanistan is very rich when it comes to minerals and natural resources and this war has nothing to do with 911 even FBI dont want osama for 911. On FBI site 911 is not even mentioned for osama to be wanted.

    This war is only to dominate Asia and take nukes from Paksitan, but this is where america is making its biggest mistake.. coz. she dont know anything about Pakistani people. Wait till they wake up.. and those days arnt far.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:03 pm | Reply
  117. Matt, San Diego CA

    Afghanistan wasn't worth it. We accomplished next to nothing other than installing an oil tycoon to a corrupt government. We accomplished ruining what little infrastructure Afghans had. We accomplished keeping the opium poppy fields alive and well for the CIA's drug wars. We accomplished scattering the Taliban and al Qaeda to Pakistan, and Iraq. We accomplished killing a lot of people, and losing a lot of our soldiers. We accomplished funneling billions, and trillions of dollars into a war with no real plan.

    Disrupting al Qaeda was a success? Lies. They're waiting for us to leave so that they can come out of their caves, and back into Kabul.

    We didn't get bin Laden, the mastermind of 9/11, so what are we supposedly measuring success by? Body counts? Number of people we detained, stripped of their human rights, and flew to secret CIA prisons? What?

    What really burns me is, we did this with the permission of the Afghan government. They let us come to Kabul, and they asked us to stay. Everyone has gone completely crazy.


    September 9, 2010 at 4:04 pm | Reply
  118. Pandora

    In the end, wars are seldom worth the cost. We need to learn to wage peace.

    In this case, driving OBL out of Afghanistan was a worthwhile aim. It's just that we didn't do it well enough to cripple Al Qaeda.

    Once OBL had moved operations to Pakistan, we needed to follow up by making Afghanistan a place that would never need him again. We needed to begin a massive infrastructure improvement program, building roads, hydro plants and irrigation. Instead, we wasted money that could have been used constructively by bombing things. We made ourselves unpopular with the Afghan people by blasting wedding parties with missiles and kicking in doors in villages. The Taliban came to power initially becaused they imposed law on a country that had been awash in anarchy. Although Taliban law was harsh, many people felt they were better off because at least they knew what the rules were and who was in charge. We could have made the Taliban unpopular if we had created a peaceful, productive society with new conveniences (roads, power, water). Instead we made ourselves unpopular by simply presenting America to the Afghan villagers as another warlord, another danger, another bully interfering in their lives.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:04 pm | Reply
  119. Yago

    Well if you consider
    1.- The two Pipelines that need to cross Afghanistan to reach Pakistan so the Oil and Gas from the Caspian Sea could be shipped to the US, it sounds profit for the Big Oil.
    2.- If you consider the amount of money used in bases, uniforms, equipment, contractors and reconstruction it is worth it for the MIC and Senate and Congress Corporation Friends. ($500 per hammer in the Halliburton Invoice)
    3.- If you consider that 79% of the Opium production happened in Afghanistan and you can dope Russia and China, it's worth it. for the US strategist. We control the Cocaine in Colombia and the Heroin in Afghanistan.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:06 pm | Reply
  120. bailoutsos

    :::Charlie I think we should ask the guy who was sitting on the 87th floor of the Twin Towers the morning of the attacks of 9/11 @@@ But Charlie, right now America is killing Taliban who had nothing to do with the attack.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:06 pm | Reply
  121. Drazul

    A few reasons it wasnt worth it: (not that I am a fan of the realities of war)
    1. It didnt benefit this country basically at all except to help bankrupt us. WW2 helped this country by creating tons of jobs and making America a country of production and industry.

    2. It didnt help population control.
    Now I dont want any more dead Americans than the next person but there is a growing issue with population control on this planet, not just this country, but that is another thread.

    3. It didnt even make a difference over there.
    They still hate us, we still hate them. A tyrant was removed from one country and they dont know how to act without a single person threatening their lives every day so they are probably hoping that another one will rise up and take the lead again so they dont have to try to think for themselves.

    4. Its making our government, present and past, feel secure in their decision to once again involve America where it doesnt belong. Woot for Vietnam, the second chapter. I guess the thought of dedicating the average America's future to some sand and dirt-ridden country is more important that cleaning up this country. Faulty power grids, bridges on the verge of collapse all over the country, starving, homeless, and jobless folks out there. Thank goodness our decisions to be tax evasive took hold and our businesses were shipped over to India, Paki-friggin-stan, and every other dirty corner of the planet.

    The American people are tired of it. Now we see examples of folks getting enraged by one topic or another..muslims for example. There are so many signs of what could even be called a civil war on the horizon and the government barely notices until one particular president who most believe to have followed the muslim faith steps in and tries to intervene on the good of America and those good people who are in harms way in the aforementioned dirt-filled lands fighting blindly for something that has no tangible value to it.
    America's inner collapse is imminent and the government isnt helping. Corruption is so deeply rooted. The corruption is even slowly killing those who are corrupt but they dont care. Some of these people still enjoy the best healthcare that the tax-paying public can provide, while those same taxpayers get notices that the benefits have been altered so that it cost a lot more or, even worse, that they lost them altogether.
    There needs to be an uprising. Im not left, right, conservative, or whatever other silly label all you political types like to use but we are at the end of the American rope. Remember what it is to be American and what your fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers fought for. If we dont remember there will be other powers in this country who are already hard at work trying to sneak in and get their roots to take hold.
    The America of 1900 is dead and gone. The government needs to close the borders and help keep America inside its walls. Other countries and religious beliefs are pulling at the very fabric of this country and its all coming apart slowly but surely.
    Other countries like Scotland understand. They resist having outsiders show up. They know what it could mean.
    Well, i feel a bit better after all that...it wont mean a thing to a lot of you, if you even bothered to read this far. To any whose heartstrings this may reach, I hope we dont have to live in the new America thats already being planned around us. It will fail.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:06 pm | Reply
  122. Mathew

    Immediately after the events of 9/11, the US demanded the Afghan government extradite the criminals behind that attack. If those criminals had been turned over, I would not have supported the war–but the Taliban government refused. As far as I am concerned, the Taliban is responsible for the US invasion of Afghanistan. The initial invasion was perhaps the only action by the Bush administration that I agreed with.

    However, I do not think we should have attempted to impose a new form of government in that country. We should have deposed those idiots and left, with the promise to return again if any more attacks occur. The Afghans are responsible for running their own country.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:07 pm | Reply
  123. Will

    Someone should have read the history books before we stuck our noses into Afghan. Simply go to your local library and search Afghanistan and you will find stories of the nightmares for the Brits 100 years ago, the Russians 30 years ago and others. All started with high hopes and ended with a disaster.

    With all respect and honor to those who have been there and are still there, the signs are not good

    September 9, 2010 at 4:07 pm | Reply
  124. Mark Harpster

    We haven't been in a war that was worth it since the Korean war and even that is questionable. Also, we haven't technically been in any war for quite some time, since Congress hasn't declared war for any of these pointless adventures. It's all going to end up being the same old song and dance for this one too. At some point down the road there will be lecture tours by journalists and evening news updates about how we lost this one and why. History does repeat itself and we learn nothing...or at least our leaders don't and the reality show wannabes who vote them in.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:09 pm | Reply
  125. eco top gun

    Waste of lives and money with no way for any participant to win ever.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:09 pm | Reply
  126. tcaros

    The pretext for the war is the 9/11 attacks.

    The reason we did not go after Bin Laden is that he was a double agent and a figment created to continue the wars. The wars are for profiteering by corporations and the organized societies that are robbing our treasury through the Pentagon.

    Elitists like Bush care only about wealth and familial connectons. They use politics to gain wealth and strip average people of their rights.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:11 pm | Reply
  127. John 1776

    Was/Is it worth it? Not the way we executed it. We could not turn a blind eye on what happened on 9/11 but how we handled it was in fits and starts that left us with a mess. The effort was under-manned from the start and therefore lasted three times as long as it should have and ultimately cost us far more in lives and resources then it should have.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:11 pm | Reply
  128. Will-o

    The real question is not whether the war was worth it but where do we go from here. Can we learn from our mistakes and be more efficient/effective in working to stabilize the region? We are there for the long haul because we cannot allow the Taliban to take over Pakistan and get control of their nukes. So the American people have to be convinced that we are operating intelligently and effectively in the region and not just throwing money and lives into a bottomless pip. We also have to get more help from our allies and better behavior from our own cityzens whose mindless intolerance is fueling the fires of Islanmic radicalism .

    September 9, 2010 at 4:12 pm | Reply
  129. Steve

    Surgical strikes against well defined terrorist targets could have been justified but certainly not the so-called "war" that evolved. It is absolutely ridiculous to think this conflict can be "won" like the generals would have you think. Exactly how do they measure success? Does anyone really think that Afghanistan will be changed significantly after this is over? The Afghans aligned with US (and allies) are certainly lining their pockets (and we're willingly paying) while pretending to slowly meet political goals that will be cast off when it's no longer to their advantage to meet them. We should get out of there as soon as it's logistically possible. Afghanistan will surely return to the fractious culture they are accustomed to when we depart. As long as we stay there will be no shortage of jihadist recruits from around the world willing to die to expel Western imperialists – especially when we "accidentally" kill innocent civilians. We should have left there yesterday.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:15 pm | Reply
  130. Sam

    Is any war really worth anything other than to satiate the human appetite for revenge?

    Only an American would think of a title like "Is the Afghanistan War worth it?" which would imply that a war is SUPPOSED to be worth something.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:17 pm | Reply
  131. John S

    Are we safer, No. Are we economically stronger, No. Are we a stronger world power as a result. NO!

    So now the problem is how do we pull out, reduce our cost of the military and not take a big unemployment hit. The military budget is a big part of our economy.

    I fear as a result of unfunded 2 wars and unfunded tax cuts from the Bush years we are in grave danger of going bankrupt and falling into a long depression.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:17 pm | Reply
  132. John Hennessy Black

    In a word: NO!

    In 2 words: HELL NO!

    Just another prime example of the over-abundance of testosterone and American stupidity for the entire world to see...

    September 9, 2010 at 4:17 pm | Reply
  133. JACKSON

    There is no 'worth' in fighting any war, but when you do have to fight one, you take the gloves off and go after the enemy with everything at your disposal...everything. WWII was fought and won this way. But in this day of live video feeds, satelite TV, war comes into the living room in real time. We should have bombed them into submission and it would have been over in weeks. Instead, the government waffled, and now 9 years later, we're still fighting the same war against an enemy that should have been exterminated in the first two weeks of the war. War is not tiddly-winks, nor is for the feignt at heart, but if you're going to fight one, fight it to win, at all costs.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:20 pm | Reply
  134. Anthony

    Americans have very selective memories! We won this war when we bombed the Taliban back to the "Stone-age" and they surrendered. What we failed to understand is that we spent trillions of dollars in Iraq fighting a war to reduce supposedly "Weapons of Mass Destruciton" that turned out to be nothing. This war was worth it, but sadly our resources went to Iraq which if we would have had the same efforts in Afghanistan this war would have been over.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:21 pm | Reply
  135. Lee

    Initially I believed it was necessary that we went over there to prove to them that we are a powerful country that should not be messed with. But as the time went on, it seemed like a waste of money, money that might be needed for something more important later, and a waste of life. We cannot fix everybody, I don't believe it's our job. I think the reason we are over there now is for alterior motives, like their natural resources.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:23 pm | Reply
  136. Robert J

    has anyone exlse ever noticed that it's "the war in Afghanistan" or "the War in Iraq" But very little is ever mentioned about waht the war is "about". That's becuse it's a war against a "strategy" and an ideology" How do you persue a war aginst those things? You cannot unless you plann on fighting for centuries! We made our point a approximatelty a year after 911 when we ran Alquida out of ther training grounds in Afghanistan. So what do we do now? Continue to alienate the qorld in a sensless war that we cannot win because there can be no winners. Leave Afghanistan, secure our country,let the rest of the world worry about themselves, and go back to being just good Americans. Otherwise get some kahunas and use OVERWHELMING and CRITICAL MASS FORCE qand get it over with. This is like an ongoing childish neighborhood sqauble that will never be settled!

    September 9, 2010 at 4:23 pm | Reply
  137. ram

    The war has made the entire Western world sink to a point they had never been in the last century. While waging an illegal war on "terror" (simply a noun without a face, residence or country), an excuse to bestride the world and rape all of its international legalities, the western world, including Britain and USA, began to set the tone of "we are the rulers of the world and do as we say. We are the good guys"
    While the war was going on:
    – America financed it from hard earned chinese yuans thus creating a huge debt left for future generations.
    -The government of these countries especially the US paid little attention to the suffering of their citizens. World prestige was more important. Being a war president or war prime minister was more important...lots of overriding clauses.
    – While the war was being waged, and the US was more focused on suppressing certain countries, countries like China, Iran, Russia, Venezuela, Brazil, India, Syria et other non-US aligned countries made inroads into the realm of resource contract accumulation and management throughout the world including Africa, Eastern Europe and South America.
    The western countries, all aligned with the US have lost out big time and will lose much more in trying to implement embargos on Iran et al. They are sinking in sympathy with the Flagship USA.
    – American prestige is at its lowest and will not rise in the forseeable future even if it gives 1 trillion dollars in aid to Pakistan and 1 trillion to Israel.
    -Finally, even if US declares that the war is won, with qualifications, the question of Palestine rests squarely on the shoulders of the world. Hamas, democratically elected, has to be included in the negotiations and this has a direct bearing on Iraq & Afghanistan.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:24 pm | Reply
  138. Shawn

    The commander of the British forces stated that if the war was to be won, the poppy fields had to be destroyed. The U.S. forces in fact burned several poppy fields and in short order a very angry Karzai was demanding more control over security forces.

    Afghanistan is a country made up of mountain ranges that straddle the land like fingers on a hand, in between those ranges are valleys controlled by warlords who will fight for the highest bidder. We train Afghani troops but there is no level of trust. Trainers and trainees are housed in different areas so how can any real bond exist. Some of the trainees are sympathetic to the Taliban and that doesn't bode well either. Their army is technologically challenged and the country itself has no infrastructure.

    When we leave, Karzai and his brother will flee and the Taliban will take over completely. They can have it. The whole place isn't worth one drop of blood from any soldier serving there.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:24 pm | Reply
  139. tj hughey

    No my belief this war was not worth the risk of wat America has lost there is no win to this situation it was just a decoy for bush to go ahead with his alterior motive and put up a smoke screen for the citizens of America I personaly lost my cuzn and the mother of my dauta I shed a tear everytime I look at my baby she looks just like her motha and knowing she will neva b comeing home just like so many otha American family's so no Hell fukn no the lost we have all taken was not worth it and evn if we win still was not worth the lost

    September 9, 2010 at 4:24 pm | Reply
  140. Jonathan Antwi

    It really matters not because, the government of U.S must think of the valued lives and properties that may perish instead of trying to harness the situation in Afghanistan...

    September 9, 2010 at 4:25 pm | Reply
  141. LouAz

    Here is a plan, the only plan we need:
    Keep looking for bin Laden. Osama bin Laden, no one else. First guy to find him – shoot him, stab him, choke him, kill him quickly, no pictures, no celebrations, just kill him. Everyone will know soon enough. Then come home right away.

    Why didn't we concentrate on getting bin Laden ? We seem to think everything is WW II and we must invade Europe and march across the whole region and after we blow everything up we try to find someone to sign a surrender document. Bin laden is not signing any surrender document. Our chance to have any positive influence in the region was after the Ruskies pulled out, but we messed that up. Occupying any country as we blow it up just does not work.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:25 pm | Reply
  142. Russ Hiehle

    The Soviet Union found their war in Afganistan to be totally unprofitable with great loss of life, mostly their own military. They were, in effect, driven out of the Country by a much smaller force.

    Foreign boots on the ground do not work there and will not for us either. We will leave on our own or also be driven out. The Country is too vast to control and their past indicates the percentage chance of winning the so called hearts and minds of the people is about zero.

    Support our troops, bring them home.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:26 pm | Reply
  143. Abdul-Akeem 4rm 9ja

    American should kinly please leave this people alone,let them leave there live.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:26 pm | Reply
  144. john

    Does anyone ever question the government's immediate involvement in 9/11 look at all the money gained by the war on terrorism and all the oil in the middle east what ever happened to the weapons of mass destructio???? When north Korea said we have multiple nuclear weapons shouldn't our focus had switched no because we got what we wanted in the middle east our government are and always will be the real terrorist until we stand up and do something about it

    September 9, 2010 at 4:26 pm | Reply
  145. William Walls

    Some debilitating countries, their problematic circumstances and accompanying threat portent, juxtaposed with an exceedingly-probibitive cost to rescue - in terms of American treasury and lives - are Tailor-made for strategic nukes.

    Hello, Afghanistan!

    September 9, 2010 at 4:27 pm | Reply
  146. Elliot

    This war has been a failure from day one. Bin Laden is alive and free, Al Qaeda is stronger than it was on 9/11 and we are shoring up a corrupt and impotent government. Karzai is the mayor of Kabul, nothing more.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm | Reply
  147. Chris

    No war is worth it, as they only serve to strengthen hatreds and prejudices. As for can the war in Afghanistan be won? It speaks for itself, it's the longest conflict the U.S. has ever been in and we're no closer to anything that could be called a "win" now than we were 9 years ago

    Chris – Fort Wayne, IN USA

    September 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm | Reply
  148. White Lotus

    I wonder why we are there in the first place. Judging from (former) General McChrystal's comments Obama's interest in seeing us succeed over there isn't exactly the strongest. I look at General Petraus' strategy. Drink tea with tribal elders, make alliances, and win over the local population in order to win the war. The U.S.. has NEVER successfully implemented this type of strategy and it's showing in the way our troops are responding. The troops are freaking out because they don't understand the goal, they have not been trained to drink tea with tribal elders. They think when they goto Afghanistan they will kill people and blow things up and that's what they are expecting. We will fail.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:31 pm | Reply
  149. Carol Burns

    Of course the war on terrorism is a must. We aren't fighting the Afghans - we are fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan and elsewhere because of the attack on our homeland on 9/11/01.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:33 pm | Reply
  150. Kurt

    No, this war and all wars are not worth it. What we are doing in Afghanistan is only a response to 9/11 and an excuse for the military-industrial complex to make huge profits off the American taxpayer. What needs to be talked about more, especially by the mainstream media, is to look back at history and reveal some truths behind our government's effort at trying to invade Cuba in the early 1960s. I'm still a firm believer the entire War on Terror was fabricated, beginning with the so-called "terrorist attacks" on 9/11. In 1962, a false-flag plan was devised by the Joint Chiefs of Staff which has since been declassified. The plan, known as "Operation Northwoods", outlined fake terrorist attacks to be carried out by the U.S. government in order to convince Americans that the country should retaliate and ultimately invade Cuba. I don't know about you, but I feel Northwoods is eerily similar to what happened on 9/11/01.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm | Reply
  151. John MacDaniel, Huntsville AL

    There was no "REAL" direction in the conflict because "W" wanted to invade Iraq to show the old man that he was more macho.

    The area has been in conflict with itself and outsiders for thousands of years, and no one has survived in the interventions.

    Unless, and until, a nation can go into this area as a friend to the people, and really listen to what the needs of the people are, then they are just invaders, and will be treated as such – and be put down.

    We have lost so many good people whose lives have been lost to show how manly "W" was – and so much money wasted in buying the 'friendship' of corrupt leaders – that we have bankrupted our own nation.

    It is past time for the US to come home and rebuild itself and quite playing war in an area of the world which has known war for thousands of years – and which will continue to wage war with itself whether or not we are there. Now is the time for Americans to come to the aid of America – for it is 'peace at home' that is most important .

    September 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm | Reply
  152. Lilia Guanzon

    No war is ever worth it. But as a clear statement and retaliation for the terror attacks, perhaps we can have some justification with the war in Afghanistan. Iraq however, should have never happened. It was on someone's personal agenda and our soldiers and our country are still paying for it. Iraq was not a mistake – it was a selfish and malicious act by our country's leader(s) and Bush lead it.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:35 pm | Reply
  153. AussieKelly

    Does it really matter if it WAS worth it when the past cannot be changed?
    For each person who says it wasn't worth it and it shouldn't have happened then it's like saying for each of the troops who gave their lives there they've have done it in vain.
    Maybe we shouldn't still be there. But we are. And we will continue to be whether we stand up and complain about it or not.
    It doesn't matter whether we support the decision to be there, it only matters that we support those that are there. By saying we don't support the war we are also saying we don't support the troops who risk their lives to be there.

    Only time will tell what the future holds for Afghanistan.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:35 pm | Reply
  154. david speranza

    Yes it was worth it but president bush choice saddam over osama bin laden. They passed the surge to remove 80,000 soilders from afghan to iraq. Right now afghan probably not worth it. Bin laden already escaped several years ago and the people we work with there are drug lords.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:35 pm | Reply
  155. Molly

    Was it worth it? I guess that depends on what we've gained. Did we spread democracy and freedom? No, the Sunnis and Shiites and other factions are still warring. Did we gain any new territory for the US? Nope, we're going to leave everything behind when we go. How about all that lovely oil – can we have some of that? NOT! Unfortunately after ten years we've gained absolutely nothing. We have the same bunch of Muslim lunatics hunkered down in the sand, the same factions are still at each others throats, and the Afghan government is still a joke. And what was the price? Thousands of dead soldiers, young men and women returning with horribly wounded bodies and minds, and scores of broken families.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:35 pm | Reply
  156. Erkin Dilbazi

    The war in Afghanistan is worthless. From its outset, this war was a wrong one. The vietnam scenario will reiterate itself: american forces will leave Afghanistan tired, ashamed and disappointed. The american drones will continue bombing the mountaineous region on the border with Pakistan and the talibans will hide in their strongholds. Both sides will suffer from it: americans- financially, local population-by having casualties. The future for Afghanistan holds nothing: it will continue to exist as a state as it did before. As soon as the forces of coalition will leave the country, the 'puppet' Karzai will be overthrown by Talibans who will impose their regime all over the territory of Afghanistan as they used to in the past. The problem of Afghanistan is deeply rooted in its' culture of ignorance and superstition which opens way for 'power abuse' and corruption. Local people suffer from that under the regime of Karzai and,as a result, they more prefer to live under Sharia law than in a secular state. Soviets dubbed Afghanistan 'a cursed land'. It will be better for americans and its allies to leave that country as soon as possible and instead to focus on their own vulnerable economy and strongly guard their own borders from 'muslim immigration'.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:35 pm | Reply
  157. jim

    Wars historically drive empires into bankruptcy -I hope we do not go that way

    September 9, 2010 at 4:37 pm | Reply
  158. Pat

    Well, the Russians didn't think so. But, of course, we had to prove that we're better than them.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:39 pm | Reply
  159. Scott

    Is it worth it ? Worth what ? Ask the families that lost fathers, mothers, sons and daughters if this war was worth it.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:42 pm | Reply
  160. FunnyFaceUA

    This "war" has been a debacle from the start. What exactly was the mission again? To get rid of the Taliban? How's that going for us? We haven't chased the Taliban out of Afghanistan, and even if we had, they would be back before the last American chopper left the pad. We should have gone in there, bombed the place flat, killed every Taliban we could find, and left them to pick up the pieces. Instead we try to be good old Uncle Sam, rebuilding their infrastructure and trying to stabilize what amounts to a desert asylum. What a waste! God bless the men and women who have yet to come home, and the families of those who came home in a box.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:44 pm | Reply
  161. upm123

    Sure, why not, been drug out so long that it's been a complete embarressment. What have we accomplished?? Wars are fueled to build tax dollars for the economy...hmmmmm, what did our politicians and advisors do wrong???? We have gained sooooo much of NOTHING! Have we prooved anything other than we sometimes act as a pathetic country, we want to be everyones pal while more often than enough we are taken avantage of.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:46 pm | Reply
  162. Chris

    The war was worth it as long as it served it's intended purpose. The problem in my estimation is that an intended purpose was never clearly defined. Are we there to eliminate the Taliban and Al Queda or to nation build Afghanistan into a Western democracy? I think everyone was so irate after 9/11 we allowed our government far too much leeway with regards to the launching of an unavoidable conflict. We knew Al Queda was in Afghanistan, we knew they were responsible for the attack ergo shoot first, ask questions later. Later being now apparently. To answer the question, assuming the war had two discernible objectives, ousting Al Queda/Taliban was worth it and attempting to nation build Afghanistan was not worth it. You can argue that one couldn't have occurred without the other but in terms of intrinsic worth, that's how I view it. Unfortunately we appear to be in a ‘you broke it, you fix it’ situation so folding up the tents without finishing the job or positioning the Afghans to finish themselves is out of the question in my opinion.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:47 pm | Reply
  163. Craeb-deth

    Go Obama sin-Laden – make america poorer
    NONE of it has been worth a darn thing

    September 9, 2010 at 4:48 pm | Reply
  164. Jim Rice

    As a veterian of the Vietnam war, where we lost a great number of troops, this afgan and Irag was is not worth it. The minute we leave their countries ( all troops out) thew will return to the way they were. Bring our men and women home.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:49 pm | Reply
  165. Robb

    You can not win a war where the people don't want you. Didn't work in Vietnam and it never will. Think how we would react if someone invaded us? We would fight tooth and nail and down and dirty to get them out. Can you blame these people?

    September 9, 2010 at 4:50 pm | Reply
  166. todd

    COWARDS, who replied no, you don't have the stones to stand up and defend your country against evil. Don't critisize those that do and who volunteer to stand up and defend our country so that you can sleep in comfort at night. How long do you think that freedom as you know it would be destroyed by the Taliban if we had not made them fight us on their soil. The war that you see over there could have been here if we didn't face evil where evil lies. Do you forget the 3 thousand innocent civilans like you that died on 9-11? Do you think that just doing nothing would make them stop attacking us? They do not negotiate with you unless you have your foot on their neck amd an M-16 pointed at their head. Get a set and support your country!

    September 9, 2010 at 4:51 pm | Reply
  167. Edsr

    NO.............no war is worth it....................we lost a lot of very talented and good young men and women because of religious conflict...........the only time war warranted is when some nation tries to attack us...........9-11 was not a country attacking us....it was a fanatic religious element and now they want to build a mosque near that site...............that is their way of celebrating our hurt................freedom of religion in this country is a pain in the anus................next we will allow people to worship rocks and sea urchins and other flipped out "gods"...............

    September 9, 2010 at 4:51 pm | Reply
  168. Robert 1945

    This war is clearly going nowhere fast. We are trying to fight a war against a small faction who will endure far longer than our efforts. These people do not want to change their radical religion and beliefs and still harbor age old customs. That is why Osama Bin Laden resides somewhere in the comfort of Afghanistan.
    There are two answers to this solution, draw a line as we did in Vietnam and present a date that anyone who wants democracy should be on one side and anyone who wants to live under the radical muslims should be on the other. The second option is to simply level the entire country and let Allah sort the good from the bad.
    This is a war which will not give us a victory but will take the lives of our servicemen and women. In the end, we as did the British and Russians, will just have to leave the country.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:52 pm | Reply
  169. steve

    Yes it is worth it. Make money from selling drugs and ammo. Plan a new gas pipeline through Afghanistan. Create a new boogyman, to scare the people and keep old allies under command!!!! For having some poor kids getting killed (for flag and country), it is a great opportunity to get rich

    September 9, 2010 at 4:54 pm | Reply
  170. linda

    NO. if we had gone in there & taken care of business and not INVADED iraq, it would be over with. i think bush used it as a reason to invade iraq because "saddam tried to kill his daddy"

    September 9, 2010 at 4:55 pm | Reply
  171. Tom

    I think we are forgetting the overwhelming support by the American people and congress in favor of the war in Afghanistan during 2001-2002. In NY during 9/11, I saw the aftermath, I saw the reactions of the people, I heard what was said, and we went into Afghanistan for revenge and nothing more. Revenge is always worth it at the time, and then we usually regret it later. So there really is no point to the question, because it is hindsight and cannot change our previous actions, nor can we learn from a purely primal response to a real catastrophe that was 9/11

    September 9, 2010 at 4:56 pm | Reply
  172. paul

    what the americans need to do is -stop allowing the news and human rights to run ahead of the tanks and infantry- this is a military engagement out, we will tell you when its over--–stop trying to impress news reporters by giveing them a story---learn how to fight a military battle,

    September 9, 2010 at 4:57 pm | Reply
  173. ThomasInPhoenix

    Not worth it. We've created as many terrorists as we have eliminated.

    September 9, 2010 at 4:59 pm | Reply
  174. Jake

    Afghanistan was and still is worth it because the people there are worth it. We made mistakes and took our eye off the ball when we went to Iraq. Americans seem to be having misplaced anger. America is tired of hearing about the war and they are displacing their discontent with Iraq onto Afghanistan. I am tired of hearing about the war too and I want it to end, but I recognize that when we go over and screw up somebody's country we can't just leave them to pick up all the pieces. And people complain that we have to take care of our own problems. Guess what? We aren't living in shoddy little huts. We aren't getting acid dumped in our faces just because we want to go to school. Our freedom isn't under attack. We have a responsibility and America is more than capable to meet it. We must have the strength to continue the good fight.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:01 pm | Reply
  175. Dina

    If we had spent the last 30 years developing alternative fuels, we wouldn't need to be over there at all, and the terrorists would all be penniless nomads instead of dangerous enemies. Not having an energy policy is the most criminal neglect of our "leaders" in Washington.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:03 pm | Reply
  176. tobsinte

    I am not an American and not even from a NATO country. But I think Afghan war is worth every minute of it but it could have planned much wisely, started way early and of course fought differently. But Iraq, poor Saddam at least he was for the outsiders and unmistakebly the greatest blunder US has done in the first decade of 21st century and it will take a lot of brash and stupid leadership to have another one worse than this.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:04 pm | Reply
  177. Andy

    Lefty Avenger, this article is about Afghanistan. What does oil and pipelines have anything to do with this war? Stop using talking points about Iraq that I do not think stand up. $700 billion spent, what oil does the US get from Iraq?

    September 9, 2010 at 5:04 pm | Reply
  178. Robert

    It should of been short and sweet. Unfortunately, they don't like us or themselves, so let's pull out and let them kill each other. It's not our responsibility to rebuild their pathetic country. It's not worth another brave American life to support their corrupt government.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:06 pm | Reply
  179. Diane

    Has no one noticed that there has to constantly be an American conflict SOMEWHERE? It keeps readiness up, it employs all those people in the arms industries (a healthy chunk of our economy) and is an excuse to keep troop levels high. And lets not forget all the influential war profiteers in powerful positions. (I won't mention Dick Cheney and friends).

    September 9, 2010 at 5:08 pm | Reply
  180. Mike S

    No. The goal was suppose to be to track down and kill Al-Queda and Bin Laden who were responsible for 9/11. Somehow that got changed to nation building, and regime change. This was exactly what the right wing and neo-cons wanted. This was a failed attempt at spreading democracy.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:09 pm | Reply
  181. cookie

    It would have been worth it if we had done it right, and not gotten tangled up in a stupid and meaningless war in Iraq. In the end result the only thing we've done is waste a lot of lives and a lot of money on 2 unsuccessful wars. I'd like to think things will get better in Afghanistan in the next year, but given the government there, it's hard to be very hopeful. IMHO, our President should announce that we've done our best there, and with the right govt could succeed, but since Kharzai et al have proven to be hopeless, there's no point in throwing more lives and more money into the effort, so we're reversing course and getting out. We'll reserve the right to bomb any al Quaeda camps our intelligence discovers there in the future.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:10 pm | Reply
  182. ROBMN

    No war is ever "worth it" in my mind. War is and should always be the last desperate act to protect your country. All that said; from day 1 I was against invading Iraq and I remember my quote to my then right wing buddies "I hope they fine WMDs" well we know what happened there. In the case of Afghanistan I actually support this war because of previous (prior to 9/11) Taliban actions and the fact that the Taliban directly allowed Alqueda to train in Afghanistan which makes them an associate of those who would do us harm. Had GWB seen things the way I did and still do we would have put much more in to Afghanistan and migh actually be pulling out by now instead of just getting going. I hate war and hate spending money on war and I hate the politics of war!

    September 9, 2010 at 5:10 pm | Reply
  183. American Pie

    so much for military super power, Americans went it to a stone throwing Afghanistan and a weakened (10 years of sanctions) Iraq, and to this day they dont have full control. Taliban still rules parts of Afghanistan and is making treaties with the new government, and Iraq, well we just left there cause we couldn't get a handle on things.

    Was it worth it? Well did you catch the people responsible for the attacks?? Osama bin eating sandwiches laden??? nope, did you defeat Al Qaida ?? nope they are still there and growing, did you defeat the Taliban?? nope they are still there and growing.

    Did Haliburton and KBR get richer?? yup and they are still sucking dollars from the taxpayer, not to mention blackwater.

    What did American gain?? a weakend military it will take a decade to get back to the pre- 9/11 status, a broken economy at home, a health care system thats on life support, a drug war that is more like the cartels opened a can of whoop ass on America.

    The world is flat, and we are digging a hole people. wake the f*ck up.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:10 pm | Reply
  184. Harvey Friesen

    Afghanistan and Iraq was wars picked by the USA to fight because they wanted to steal the booty: oil and natural gas reserves and, thanks for our inept government leaders in Canada to go along with this diabolical plan that cost taxpayers billions. These savage lands will be a toilet bowl for the West because they will need constant "babysitting" years after the wars end. Mr. Harper is a loose cannon because of he betrays Canadians with social needs: doctor shortages, long hospital waits, 34% of us do not have dental coverage, school closures, kids going to school hungry, seniors in poor health, increase health care costs, first nations in poverty, massive unemployment, etc. while he throws buckets of money in foreign aid to parasite "freeloading nations" like Pakistan, Africa, Haiti, Peru, Carribeans and others. We are betrayed by the "traitorous acts" of our political leaders while ignoring our dire social problems including a haven for "illegal refugee migrants" while promoting human trafficking in Canada because our overpaid leeches in Ottawa cannot say no! Charity begins at home firsts and foremost, Stephen Harper, you arrogant egotistical court jester! We are our own worst enemies because we cater to all others with "runny noses" while homelessness increases and much more.....shame on Canada. Enough is enough, do not get involved in foreign wars as Russia will tell you. We help nations like Pakistan and Afghanistan that are world known for drug trafficking, terrorist cells, crooked governments and whinings for international handouts. The West will go bankrupt as we cannot "police" or "act as a "piggy bank" for the world. Who forgives our personal loans, nobody! Yet, our governments forgive foreign loans in the billions, little kids have better concept of economic values.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:10 pm | Reply
  185. danny boy

    I think the original invasion was worth it and very effective. We had to respond in a big way to send message to the terrorists (actually the word terrorist is not a good one, doesn't accurately describe the conflict but that's for another board.)

    My comment is more a question? My understanding is that we are fighting the Taliban to stop their encroachment into Pakistan and its major cities. They are at the present time on the outskirts of the cities. The Taliban has a lot of support within Pakistan and the fear is that if the Taliban is able to take over the government they'll have access to the nukes which is scary.

    And the Iraq war was a huge mistake and like someone else has mentioned pulled resources that should have been used in Afghanistan where the terrorists were operating from...The whole idea that Iraq was behind 9/11 was a fabrication. I think the boneheads in the administration had some crazy idea that they could democratize Iraq and that democracy would somehow spread from there. And let's not forget all that oil..Or W having to finish what his daddy started. Oh well that's what happens when you have men with old ideas in charge. I would love to hear Colin Powell tell the true story and express his outrage at being used to justify Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz and the rest of those neocons crazy world view.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:11 pm | Reply
  186. lance corporal

    I think it WOULD have been worth it IF it had been correctly managed in the early stages and had we not pulled our resources in to the morass of Iraq for no good purpose and for reasons we still don't know the truth of, this is where the people who attacked us where, this is where the absolute worst of the taliban/muslim terrorists where, this was the correct battle to fight, we had the world behind us and if we had done it well we had the resources to do it right, I will forever wonder if it was simple ineptitude or what that mad bush/cheney/rumsfeld so badly handle afganistan and go in to Iraq with no clear purpose. strategy or desired outcome/exit strategy, it appears to be the greatest abuse of power and the biggest blunder in our nations history, I wish there was some way to find out what was really going on as it will bug me for the rest of my life, marines and all of our soldiers where let down by our leaders, it seems criminal...... so yes I think it was the right fight just done so horribly wrong by an inept and seemingly dishonest administration. god bless our troops, ooh rah!

    September 9, 2010 at 5:13 pm | Reply
  187. thequestioner

    not even CLOSE to worth it!!! How many BILLIONS or even TRILLIONS of dollars would we have in our domestic budget if we hadn't wasted all of this money backing a corrupt government just to guarantee we can get cheap oil. Not one single death was worth it.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:13 pm | Reply
  188. JH

    The war with Afghanistan made the militants move to Pakistan. You go to Pakistan, the militants move to Iran. You go to Iran, they go to India or another place. When and where does the war end?
    with all the money being spent on war, America can invest a fraction of that money to invent more sophisticated drones and attack them from homeland. No loss of solder's life but attack the enemy more effectively driving them to underground caves forever.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:13 pm | Reply
  189. UP1652

    At the least I suppose, a number of Afghan women were given a reprieve from virtual slavery. Perhaps a number of children were able to attend school as well.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:15 pm | Reply
  190. JJ

    Are we that far away from 9/11 that this question is even being asked? We went into Afghanistan to oust Al Qaeda and the regime that was harboring them after they murdered 3,000 American citizens and shut our country down! What would have happened if we did nothing? That was a direct attack on America and our way of life and some of you are actually suggesting that we should have done nothing? Our society is in major trouble if citizens believe that action was not justified, called for and mandatory. As for “winning” that war, probably impossible, we need to find a way out while keeping the pressure on Al Qaeda.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:17 pm | Reply
  191. Tom

    Hmmmm...let's see. Let's total the costs of Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan – not to mention all the arms deals the USA has brokered for the entire world. Imagine what that money could have done to cure diseases, eliminate poverty, hunger, etc. But at least the war-mongers and right-wingers made some money off all that suffering!

    September 9, 2010 at 5:22 pm | Reply
  192. dj

    This was the war that was justified. If all of the resources that went into Iraq went into this war then Bin Laden might have been found and tried. The US doesn't really have a quarrel with the Taliban as long as they don't export terrorism. The problem is that the war has expanded from the original goal of punishing Al Queda to turning Afghanistan into a democracy. It's one of the poorest countries in the world.. good luck. Unfortunately an entire generation of Afghans now perceives the US as an enemy so as soon as the US leaves there is no guarantee the Taliban won't actively seek revenge against the US.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:22 pm | Reply
  193. LMD

    The Afghan war would have been worth it if we had gone in full strength,full military supplies,and with it being the prmary war. By going to Iraq,we declared basically that the terrorists,Osama bin Laden,were secondary and not worth the effort.Nine yrs later,and Osama still not captured/killed(was he ever seriously a target by the former admin?) And we Iraq will never be stabilized. So the answers,I guess is yes,Afghanistan was worth it IF we had gone in there,without the distraction of Iraq.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:23 pm | Reply
  194. John

    Its funny to hear all the comments from the "Monday morning quarterbacks". The day after 9/11, the majority of this country was outraged and wanted blood for what happened to us. I, a Air Force Reservist was approached by family, friends and coworkers that wanted to go with me if I was activated and help "kick some a$$".
    I did get activated. I spent two years going back and forth to both Afghanistan and Iraq. That's what military people do in a volunteer military. Go where their country tells them to go to do their job and duty. I've been doing for 24 years and have no regrets.
    Was and is the wars we have fought this past nine years worth it?
    I say yes. This country woke up and got our national security on line and kept the fight away from home. Just as my father did in WWII and kept the Japanese and Germans off US soil.
    Lets not forget, terrorists tried several times to attack us and were successful prior to 9/11. Those attacks were on Clinton's watch and nothing was done to stop Osama Bin Laden . The terrorists were here planning and plotting for years leading up to 9-11-01. Clinton's watch, not Bush's.
    So, to sit here and question why, you had to be here on 9-12-01 and see why we did what we did.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:23 pm | Reply
  195. Doug

    Yes, it was worth it. We were attacked out of the blue by a hostile group. Our only mistake ws forgetting about Afghanistan in favor of the war in Iraq.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:28 pm | Reply
  196. Brian Schraff

    Bin Laden Won!

    His stated goal was to wreck havoc on Western economy's.

    Turns out, slamming three planes into buildings and one into the ground didn't appear to have the net affect he was looking for, even if you dismiss Wall Street being closed for a short time. If only we could freeze time there. But, lucky for Bin Laden, we had George Bush. Instead of a single day of shock and awe in Afghanistan and maybe a few months of drone attacks on Al Qaeda camps, we go for occupation of a country that turned away the other cold war superpower. The temerity of the U.S. sometimes embarrasses me..

    Then, the 9/11 planes are used to justify an attack on Iraq. 200 billion dollars taken out of the U.S economy that might have helped stem the financial crisis we're in now, and have been in, for years.

    Yes, Saddam was a POS and there is some citizen consensus his being gone is good. But, there was no WMDs and no Al Qaeda in Iraq so hunting down Saddam in the darkness, killing him in anonymity and letting them figure this out for themselves would have netted the same result as we have now for 198 billion less. For the naysayers, Iran has no more chance of occupying Iraq than the U.S.

    George Bush, used his power and might to kill thousands (many innocent observers) under my name, and yet, there are no gains for middle east peace, Iran has lost it's containing enemy, our economy – so strong in 2000 – iis now in shambles.

    Hate to lose, but I was always taught to be graceful in defeat – Ladies and Gentlemen as of this day – Bin Laden Won!

    September 9, 2010 at 5:29 pm | Reply
  197. Ned Sanders

    Worth it? Worth what? Does anyone benefit from war? People seem to think that they're cleaning up, but in the end you only have a bigger mess. You don't put out a fire with more fire.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  198. Hugo

    @Brenda O'Connor, this is supposed to be a debate. Your post is missing your reasoning.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  199. ramtruck2500

    If it would have gotten ben Laden yes, to instill democracy absolutely not! Its something niether side cares about!!!

    September 9, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  200. I Still have a Moral Compass

    The true anwer to this should be answered by the families of fallen soldiers. The soldiers themselves that don't know what they are fighting for. The Soldiers that are coming home disabled and recieving minimal aide from the government and terrible medical services. The innocent men, women and children that have had there lives taken away or turned upside down. People need to really think about what they are posting. This is WAR!!! I enjoy reading through these comments. It proves to me time and time again that we need to invest in the education system in this country. The general public are a bunch of zombies that will eat up anything that the media or a politician feeds them. I love the United States of America its just the people in it that get to me sometimes.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:31 pm | Reply
  201. Alon

    It's not worth it because you diverted from it's original objective. Your'e not there to capture bin-laden your'e there to expand your geo-political influence. And the moment you did that you deserved to lose, because you created the Mujahadin, you armed them, you called them freedom fighters and now suddenlly they are the bad guys? They weren't fighting for democracy in the 80's they were fighting for Sharia law.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:33 pm | Reply
  202. Le Chivre

    Yes. The rest of the world doesn't seem to like the US acting as the global police, but those same people complain when the US does nothing.

    Someone had to, and still needs to, take care of this stuff. Might as well be the United States as per usual.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:33 pm | Reply
  203. Turtle 52

    Afghanistan, we should have only been there to do away with al Qaeda
    and their leaders, when finished we should leave. Iraq, we should have never went there, they were contained by the no fly zone, and harmless to us. Billions squandered on needless war and deaths of innocents.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:35 pm | Reply
  204. AngryMP

    It sound slike alot of people forget why we are fighting this war. Its not for oil or gas, its for the lives that were taken on Sept. 11th. Just because some companies are profiting from the oil, and not saying the government doesnt either, doesnt negate the fact that we need to catch the people responsible for the attacks on Americans. The taliban know and are harboring the main target, we need to do what we can to catch those responsible. But most of the comments are posted by people that have never experienced being in a warzone. They have the freedom to sit and post whatever they like. But once something happens to them then its the governments fault that it wasnt prevented. Granted people get tired of war and paying for it and trust me soldiers are to, but if we were not taking to fight over there they would bring it to us. Just food for thought on this Fight for oil.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  205. RangerDOS

    The real question is: After spending trillions of $$$ on our nuclear weapons program, why didn't we use them at Tora Bora? A couple of low yield nukes would have done the trick. Worked before...

    That's satire for you hopefulls – no it wasn't worth it. The first resort for a weak minded president/vice president at the time.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  206. Ron

    Writing from Ft Mohave Az.
    Yes the war in Afgan was necessary, Yes it is necessary now to keep Alquada from gaing another stronghold, and no we cannot win the war as long as Pakistan harbors Al Quada and other terrorists!!!

    September 9, 2010 at 5:37 pm | Reply
  207. JVP

    The action in Afghanistan was needed to rout Al Qaeda from their bases there. If we had focused all of our attention and effort on that task we may well have succeeded in killing or capturing their top leadership. But the Bush administrations real focus was on Iraq, which was an entirely unnecessary adventure. Afghanistan will now likely play out the way it did in our earlier proxy war there in the '70's. We'll finish the military mission but screw up the follow through of rebuilding and encouraging democracy and they will slip right back into Taliban control. We might have got it right if we weren't so exhausted from the Iraq folly.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:37 pm | Reply
  208. realtruth

    it's amazing to me the ignorance of these people who think they know what happened/ happens with our military operations. you folks should wake up and realize that its all about $$$$$ they didn't attack us, the bush admin. and his crew of elites attacked us for power and profit. did any of you realize that the owner of the WTC took out a HUGE insurance policy on the buildings 3 months before the attack? and what about WTC building #3? it came crashing down from "debris". get real people your all blind to the fact that the elites have a strangle hold on us common people who are just slaves to they're money machines. all the elite have buisness ties to the people they are waging war against! do some real research on these big shots and you'll find the truth. your all blinded by propaganda and distracted by worthless info. and stupid news shoved down our throats by the media who is ran by guess who.....elites, starting with the bildeberg group. look em up. wake up.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:38 pm | Reply
  209. SM

    Yes. Taliban was evil and needed to be bought down. Was there a way to project costs / benefits ? Absolutely not, everything is not accountable in terms of $$.
    Iraq was unnecessary

    September 9, 2010 at 5:39 pm | Reply
  210. The Truth

    Hypothetical Situation:

    If an extremist American group (KKK, Hutari Militia, Michigan Militia, Tea Party (bowel) Movement) planned and completed an attack on another country would it then be justifiable for that country to invade the United States of America and rape, pillage, murder and dismember the innocent civilians as we are over there?

    Just a question.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:39 pm | Reply
  211. Melissa

    Was? The Afghan War is still very much in progress.

    Besides not being conigzant of the difference between Iraq and Afghanistan, how many of you critics were on board with this on the evening of 11 SEPT.?

    September 9, 2010 at 5:41 pm | Reply
  212. centerbutmoreright

    I think you people are missing the big picture as you mix Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq was not needed, obviously. However, Bin Laden and all the al-qaida were dug in deep there and training their soldiers. The Taliban was ok with that so we had to take care of business. We haven't been attacked successfully since.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:41 pm | Reply
  213. Rainville Guy


    It seems that Giant Goliath (Coalition Force) is fighting against flies (Talibans and Al Qaida). Flies can go anywhere: Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Iran and so forth.

    Coalition lives in Afghanistan are at risk for nothing since flies may go away and reproduce themselves elsewhere anytime. They can come back anytime. Standing still in Afghanistan is then worthless.

    This messy war will end up like the Irak one or like the search for Ben Laden: like a hand that misses catching a fly.

    For the last decade, our politicians have been very poor at assessing relevance for wars. Very tough indeed to catch a fly with our hand.

    Moreover taxpayers are getting more and more fed up by those catch-a-fly wars. The national debt is getting too high for their means.

    Let's quit Afghanistan and let's reinforce our security at home. That would better than running after flies.

    Guy Rainville

    September 9, 2010 at 5:42 pm | Reply
  214. Don Van Ryn

    I feel like we went to war in Afghanistan to avenge 9/11 – then got caught up in national building and lost our way. It's time to get out.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:43 pm | Reply
  215. Tony

    There was no war to be waged. We did not and have not engaged the "enemy" responsible for the 9/11 attacks. All Americans wanted a response to the outrage of those attacks. The hosting Taliban were deposed by the Northern Alliance and we set Karzai on the throne. The next step was security and nation building, but it was not the announced plan and no resources were committed. Nobody wanted to do it anyway. Now we fight insurgents to keep the Taliban from regaining control. We lost this "war" in March 2002. As much as I admire our commitment and our forces, we will not win. Our withdrawal will be a negotiation with the groups we now oppose.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:43 pm | Reply
  216. SGM H

    As a Soldier who is still serving and having deployed to Kabul, Kandahar, and Bagram Afghanistan and witnessed the conditions of the people and the fear they have of the Taliban and Al-Quaeda; combined with the meager resources at their disposal I do not see how we can now leave these people without providing what we set out to do.
    They would have been better off without our involvement and more importantly the ones we seek for retribution are no longer there; they will continue to seek refuge in other governments and or remove their veil as Soldiers and return to their families to wait us out.
    No the war is not worth it but we have painted ourselves into a corner leaving no way out while the rest of the free world is able to bow out gracefully without having to answer for its successes or failure.


    September 9, 2010 at 5:44 pm | Reply
  217. Merle


    We keep feeding the beast. The military/industrial complex has an insatiable appetite. Think of the prosperity which might have resulted if we had not gotten involved in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The middle class keeps footing the bill and is poorer for its efforts. And, conversely the rich get richer.

    As a country, we are addicted to war, and as a result are in decline. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

    Yes, history continues to repeat itself over the millennia, and the United States is not immune to the rise and fall of nations and empires.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:44 pm | Reply
  218. Tom

    Yes, the initial attack in Afghanistan was necessary – but when do we stop trying to rebuild countries? Go in and remove the problem and then get out. We cannot occupy these foreign lands. It's been tried before without success. If we need to go back and repeat, then do so. Cheaper and less casulities. We cannot change those people, only constrain them.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:44 pm | Reply
  219. NotPC

    After 9/11/01, the whole world supported cleaning up Afghanistan. I supported this also, even though I've never had a President Bush that I didn't dislike.

    Then Bushcheney allowed BinLaden & the Taliban to escape because they needed villains to continue justifying their Fascist warring. Through some very un-clever Media manipulation, they misdirected our desire for justice towards their illegal takeover of another country, (yes, Iraq), and Saddam, (who "tried to kill my Daddy").

    I supported the war in Afghanistan & that is where all of our resources should have been expended, (including our Soldier's blood). I NEVER supported the illegal war in Iraq. The families of the Soldiers who died there have my eternal sympathy. Their lives were spent by Bush & Cheney and they will eternally bear the responsibility for them.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:46 pm | Reply
  220. AngryMP

    I would also like to point out that most of the people on here have the freedoms and liberties they have today because of war. War is never a good thing, but sometimes it must be done. The same people that are complaining about the war now would be the same one if we were attacked again, or under someone elses rule. For those of us who have had to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan so others can still live they way they do, we are really greatful for the soldiers that had to fight in wars to preserve the way of life others can enjoy, and complain about. My response to those who dont like how things are going, nothing is keeping you in the country, you can come and go as you please, thanks to soldiers that have fought for you.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:48 pm | Reply
  221. RN1

    What war? Wars are fought using ALL the resources available to subdue the adversary, as we did in WW2. If American leadership is afraid of doing this, it should not be subjecting our troops to danger and wasting money in a futile effort against a determined foe. Did we not learn our lessons in Korea, Vietnam, and Somalia?

    September 9, 2010 at 5:49 pm | Reply
  222. Truefax

    This whole conflict is directly due to the abandoment of the afgan people after the withdrawl of the ussr. We sat back and did nothing to rebuild the country, we did nothing to stop the taliban, and now we are paying the price with interest in blood and treasure.

    Terror attacks are increasing, if this is a fight against terrorism we are loosing. It should be obvious that you can't defeat terror with terror. Lets get the afgans on our payroll instead of the Xe folks and the whole mess would be over. Hire on the fighters to fight for us, make them loyal to US, that is the ONLY WAY to win this fight.

    Bush said he'd smokem out, that'd we'd win through shock and awe.... Well, where are they? Is the bakers dozen of actual terrorists in gitmo all we have to show? This is a failed war of a failed administration, and now the current president needs to facilitate our graceful departure or else he'll end up as big a failure as Bush Jr.

    Money talks, it would have been more effective to send in some bankers and supply the north eastern alliance with equipment and have them deal with the entire issue. It's not to late, lets stop this insanity.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:50 pm | Reply
  223. Bud Edwards

    There may have been another way to send a message that America will not stand for the 9/11 attack on our country. To try and blame President Clinton or Bush for the mess we are in now is stupid.However to think that things in Afghanistan will change to be anything other than what it has always been is also stupid. We have done our best to make a bad situation better. Now it is time to declair victory and bring our troops home. We have more than enought on our plate at home that will need out time and attention.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:51 pm | Reply
  224. Jerry Rut

    JUST POISON THE POPPY..... Simple ......Case closed

    September 9, 2010 at 5:52 pm | Reply
  225. Bob(Illinois)

    Yes, it was worth it in the sense that at the time it was the right thing to do. Then, the previous administration screwed up and invaded Iraq. Now we are left in the position of trying to clean up the mess that was left behind. Tge Taliban must be eradicated: Pakistan has nuclear weapons!

    September 9, 2010 at 5:54 pm | Reply
  226. Gene

    Everyone needs to wake up. Al Queda, the Taliban, and the whole Arab and Muslim world counted on the fact that Americans would not have the stomach to see it through. Everyone wanted the big payback after 9-11 but now its old, so let's move on and live the dream: peace on Earth, no more killing, everyone loves everyone and no one offends any group. Great ideals, but these people aren't looking for that. They are looking to watch on al jazeera a war fought on American land. Then the next step will be the USA will adopt sharia law and we'll see how happy everyone is. The dream will become a nightmare.

    If you don't let the them build the Islamic Center near Ground Zero it will incite Muslim radicals, if you burn the Koran, it will give the Taliban and Al Queda ammuniition to recruit and incite anti-American activity. No one seems to worry about inciting American radicals or Christian radicals by arresting a missionary carrying a bible on Arab land or making female soldires wear a burqa off the base.

    Meanwhile back in the US, Muslim students sued to get "In the Year of Our Lord" removed from the diploma at Trinity University in Texas, and a Muslim woman sued the Department of Motor Vehicles in Florida to take he ID photo with her face covered. We are losing but not over there, in the heart and minds back here. When it happens the comments will be "Why didn't anyone do anything about this?" We didn't World War I and World War II with that "its good enough" attitude. Nearly a half of million Americans died in World War II. I never once heard anyone ask if that was worth it. And we tried to stay out of that war. And in the Middle East they have conferences on whether the Holocaust happened. 50 years from now they will be having conferences there on whether 9-11 really happened.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:55 pm | Reply
  227. realtruth

    what happened to my comment CNN? the media hides the truth from the people. end of story.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:55 pm | Reply
  228. Dean

    I spent time as a military advisor this year in Kabul and have some newfound respect for some of the Afghan people I worked with everyday. They are making slow progress. But there are a lot of things they need to start doing on there own. The number one thing that I seen over there is some of the Afghans we trained have poor critical thinking skills and very limited experience in financial/banking experience, hence the corruption and misuse of American dollars. My Afghan counterpart said it best when he said most Kabul educated men have been leaving Afghanistan and a lot left behind are trying to get visas to America where they can earn a decent living. That should tell us that a lot of people want out of there and attempts to turn it around are feeble at best. My interpreter/counterpart also said the old guard citizens will resist change as opposed to the younger generations. That's why it was almost impossible for me to work with older Afghans. Hey TC, hope you're getting through to those techs. A big hello to Dr. Ahmadzai, Dr. Jawid and Dr. Farhad. You all made me laugh and I wish you all the best.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:57 pm | Reply
  229. Sceptic lib

    Was the war worth it? No. No WAR is worth it. Ask the thousands who have died was it worth it.
    Was it justified? Yes. We were attacked and a response was required.
    Did the Bush Admin drop the ball by starting the war in Iraq and losing sight of our main objective, Bin Laden. Yes. The Iraqi war took away resources that could of been used to capture/kill Bin Laden.
    Will we WIN in Afghanistan? No. There is no possible way to WIN. The Afghanis have been at war with themselves for millennium. That is not going to change.
    Can we accomplish our main objective,capturing/killing Bin Laden and defeating Al Queda. Yes. Only through Intelligence and police action will we be able to accomplish those results. Killing innocent Afghanis will only make matters worse for the USA.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:58 pm | Reply
  230. Hugo

    The war was justified simply because strong evidence indicates that a territory in the United States was attacked by authorized or unauthorized agents coming out of Afghanistan. If they were unauthorized, then Afghanistan failed to make a good faith effort to arrest al Qaeda leadership. (They refused to try.)

    The action was sufficient to trigger the NATO treaty. Either the treaty was misinterpreted by other nations or the treaty shouldn't call for retaliation. So, which is it, people who think we shouldn't have invaded? (1) The treaty was misinterpreted or (2) the treaty shouldn't call for retaliation.

    If (1) then how? What is the mistake?

    If (2) then when did you object? If you were 18 or older and citizen of a NATO nation on 9/11 and you didn't object, why not?

    September 9, 2010 at 5:58 pm | Reply
  231. infidel

    AMEN John! Well said!!

    September 9, 2010 at 5:58 pm | Reply
  232. D. Cleveland

    "Operation Enduring War"......the only ones who wants this farce to continue are the contractors making millions off this war.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:59 pm | Reply
  233. aryan

    it is not worth to stay any longer there what ve you got so far to get after this.every time any soldier is being killed there how much it hurts all americans and 1 thing more after 9/11/2010 which they set as an intertnational burning a quran day the war can get triple not only in afghanistan but all over the world

    September 9, 2010 at 5:59 pm | Reply
  234. Poppi from Toronto

    The Taliban harboured Bin Laden.
    There is no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbour them.
    It doesn't matter if they didn't know anything about 9/11 plans.
    The Taliban could have prevented the 9/11 military response by handing over Bin Laden.
    Their decision not to lead to the invasion and war.
    An attack on one NATO member is an attack on all, even if the one is the mighty US.

    I think we have already won the war simply by showing the world that any attack will be met with an immense over-reaction and a massively disproportionate greater response.
    Perhaps the Taliban enjoyed seeing the 9/11 attacks but after seeing the response, I'm sure they wish it had never happened.

    I am only talking about Afghanistan and not Iraq.
    The war in Iraq was based on total BS and I have never supported that and I am glad that Canada did not join that wasteful mistake.

    September 9, 2010 at 5:59 pm | Reply
  235. JM

    Is the war in Afghanistan worth it? YES... i prefer fighting the enemy in their land than in US soil.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:00 pm | Reply
  236. DSangiovanni

    John, then plz, tell me the reason we went to Irak ? Cause they have nothing to do with 9/11 as you know. Why ?

    September 9, 2010 at 6:00 pm | Reply
  237. bob6699

    Certainly not worth it.......thousands dead, maimed and psychologically scarred. We could have achieved better results with B-52s, Stealth Bombers, AC-130s and drones with far less casualties. Maybe a few Special Ops insertions on hot leads.....BRING OUR KIDS HOME!

    September 9, 2010 at 6:00 pm | Reply
  238. JohnCOS

    In the beginning it was worth it, but then we invaded Iraq and lost focus. If we had stayed with the war on terror instead of adding a war of choice we would have been successful and out of Afghanistan 5 or 6 years ago.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:00 pm | Reply
  239. Hugo

    @realtruth, what comment are you referring to (that wasn't posted)? I see one that starts "It's amazing to me...."

    Is it that comment or some other comment?

    September 9, 2010 at 6:00 pm | Reply
  240. Greg

    History, if you don’t read and learn from it you’re bound to repeat it over and over again. The war in Afghanistan was at the start a justifiable war, if wars are justifiable. But, the politics of a uncompleted war from an earlier administration overseen by virtually the same people who justified the first war but…were stopped by a knowable person within 100 hours. Saw an opportunity to “complete” the first Iraq war but were blinded by sp called reason and forged/fake/misrepresented “intelligence” have spent thousands of American military personnel let alone the tens of thousands of seen battle wounds but the untold hundreds of thousands of battle scars both physical and mental that we as a nation will be dealing with for the next sixty or so years. At least now the Veterans Administration, Government, and the military are now acknowledging the fact that there are “other” battle wounds outside of the criteria of the Purple Heart. The Afghan war should have been completed or “won” within a period of maybe three or four years but….now we can sort of pick our ending similar to the British, or Russian, or the last helicopter leaving Saigon. What a tremendous was of human life and national treasure. Speaking of Saigon, now we purchase clothing made in Viet Nam, electronics from Japan, cars from Germany, and everything else from China. What will be purchase from Afghanistan in the future? I don’t think there is much oil.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:01 pm | Reply
  241. Caleb

    The war is not worth it and it should be completely abandoned.
    If we continue with this war – we continue to loose billions of dollars.
    How can you expect us to defeat an enemy who has got nothing to loose?

    Please consider this point.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:01 pm | Reply
  242. PK

    Why do we debate by Monday morning quarterbacking? The war was started and we're doing our best to end it! I think we should do a lot more thinking before we start wars! To try to retaliate for acts against us, is no more than what Israel and Palestine are doing. You bomb me, I bomb you and then we go to war. When 9/11 occured, we immediately retaliated in Afganistan, but had no reason to go to Iraq! A war started without a plan on how to end it. We were and are at war with people who have been warring for centuries and will continue after we're gone.So, are we going to go to war with any country we suspect has set off a bomb? There are those who say yes. I don't happen to agree that by setting off a single bomb here is reason to go to the suspected country. Yes, Japan ATTACTED Pearl Harbor! Yes we must defend ourselves. But for one incident, think twice!

    September 9, 2010 at 6:02 pm | Reply
  243. realtruth

    i see it now my fault.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:03 pm | Reply
  244. Ed

    The motives are not pure therefore this war is a crime. When a country commits to killing and maiming its young people, leaving mothers without their sons and daughters and leaving spouses and children without husbands, wives & daddies and mommies then the motives better be pure and honorable by every measure. War based on lies or phony propaganda does not fall under those classifications. And trying to pretend or spin them to fool the citizens into supporting them as protective of our freedom is a criminal act. If you think the originators of these recent wars had pure motives please make your case because I cannot reach that conclusion at all.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:03 pm | Reply
  245. Me

    ask the families & specially the kids who lost their beloved ones in Afghanistan if it was worth

    September 9, 2010 at 6:03 pm | Reply
  246. Inthemiddle

    Step back in time. It's 09/12/2001, we've been attacked by a group of Islamic wack jobs who are based in Afghanistan. Those of you who are saying it wasn't worth it would have us do what?

    September 9, 2010 at 6:05 pm | Reply
  247. luu nguyen

    Winning the war in Afghanistan? Just ask the Afghans... Do they see any tangible improvements in their lives? By the way how many Taliban are we fighting against? 2000 or 2 millions? Either way, after 9 years, the answer is pretty depressing. If they are just a band of insurgents, there is something wrong with our conduct of the war. And If they are more than that which I believe is the case, then our presence would be futile. On top, they have the only advantage that we don't, i.e time the essence of insurgency war. To win the war, Afghanistan must be transformed as a society, from the Middle Ages into the 21 century in a few years. A very tall order indeed...

    September 9, 2010 at 6:06 pm | Reply
  248. Dr. A. Cannara

    What a stupid question. But what else do we get these days from many media & kooky politicos? Ask a soldier. Ask some Afghanis, especially women.

    And "Was" - guess what, it's not a "was" it's an "is".

    Is there any wonder now why Colbert & Stewart are the most functional news sources these days? Comedy Central has real news & CNN, Fox, yadda, yadda have pandering. Really?

    September 9, 2010 at 6:06 pm | Reply
  249. Wounded Vet

    The Afghan war would have been wortht it if we would have kept our eyes on the prize and went after Al-Queda like we did in the beginning. As a vet of iraq, I think this was an unneccessary war considering we could have used Saddam to our advantage without committing the money, troops and American lives. Afghanistan was the prize all along but we lost track of what we were doing.

    The concept of Naiton building is idiotic and pointless. Who are we to think we can go in, destory everything and rebuild. It worked in Germany and S. Korea b/c they were willing participants. There culture wasn't still based on tribal laws so it allowed us to actually revamp their infastructure. We should have focused on Afghan but with contractors and elite soldiers who can work amongst the people and build from there instead of rebuildig everything only to see it ruined by corruption from both sides.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:07 pm | Reply
  250. kenneth

    A made up "war".

    There was a pending agreement to build an oil pipeline through Afganistan that Pres. Clinton stopped for humanitarian reasons. He refused our company's ability to negotgiate with taliban.

    When the bombing of Agganistan dirst started there was a diagram on CNN showing the bombing path. It was exactly the path of the oil pipeline that had been stopped.

    Bush was elected to complete that oil pipeline and he had the U.S. Air force do the initial excavation work for Haliburton, et. al.

    The plan for the pipeline is out there, done and killed in 1998. Find it and see for yourself what the undeclared "war" has been about.

    9-11 was a criminal act. It should have been investigated nd prosecuted as such.

    This should never have been escalated as it was – Bush wanted a war, and his supporters wanted to profiteer. No, this loss of life is NOT worht it. It never was.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:09 pm | Reply
  251. Duwayne Anderson

    Think what we could have done with all that money!

    We could have replaced every high school in America, with tons of cash left over. We could have paid the tuition of every American college student. We could have built the world's most advanced rail network. We could have *invested* the money in infrastructure.

    But we didn't. The "defense" contractors made billions, but Americans got the shaft. What a sad, sad, sad waste of money. This is how empires die. They spend themselves into oblivion with military campaigns.

    The really shocking thing, though, is that the press has labeled the tax-and-spend warmongers as "conservatives." The very people that created this horrendous loss of life and money are now the people that the right-wing press (including CNN) think should be trusted to fix the economy they ruined.

    No doubt about it. If the Republicans get control of the government again they will continue to destroy our public institutions, drive up the dept, and get us into more wars.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:10 pm | Reply
  252. kenneth

    so, I don't type....

    September 9, 2010 at 6:10 pm | Reply
  253. veteran

    This was not declared a war by congress. This was declared by Bush and his cronies Cheny and all the other republicans so u people don't know to much about it . I fought in one war and one police action so i figure i know what this action is about. Bush and his oil thieves had it good for 8yrs.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:11 pm | Reply
  254. james

    Was ? Who is saying that the war is over ? Don't we have +100,000 service members still there ?

    September 9, 2010 at 6:12 pm | Reply
  255. TOM

    They have been fighting for over 2000. years and we thought we could make a difference. Now the (President)?????????? has increase the numbers. Another Vietnam in the making. All because of a stupid President and Congress for keeping this going.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:13 pm | Reply
  256. Trayce

    Why is it over? If it is would you kindly send my son home?

    September 9, 2010 at 6:19 pm | Reply
  257. Jon

    I don't know. There's a lot of things wrong here: we seem to be repeating a lot of the same mistakes we've made in the past - backing an ineffective, corrupt government in a country we don't really care about dominating; going against the historical trend in a region that has a long past of being invaded (and fighting off invasions); and driving up our public debt at a moment where we can scare afford to.

    Yet... if we do pull out, and the Taliban takes back over, what's to say we won't have to repeat this all over again in 10 years or so if they allow Al Qaeda and like-minded organizations to use their territory again? And might it not reinforce the Pakistani Taliban, which might be dangerously close to taking over that country and its nuclear arsenal? ... I'm just not seeing very many alternatives.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:19 pm | Reply
  258. Wounded Vet

    At times war is necessary and in Afghanistan it was.

    War is not for the weak and those who are commenting have only seen crap movies or brief clips on our crap news media. War is a mean biotch who you must respect. One must leave behind their conscience or they will never make it. We personalize things far too much when we should stay the course and let the chips fall where they may. You may not agree with it but you've also never fought in a war. The concept of civility in war is criminal. We play by a set of rules no one else follows. Why I understand why the rules are in place I do not understand how they can enforce them when we're trained to kill. We're trained ot sacrifice yet when we take charge we get punished. Until we all grow a pair and realize the world isn't perfect and there are people who want us dead (not all f them) we'll never win.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:19 pm | Reply
  259. ib42

    An absolute travesty of common sense. America seems to love nothing more than to swing the lead anywhere it pleases, without any thought given to it's real motives or outcomes.
    More and more, we are the bully in the playground. But the bravado of the classic bully hides a deep fear, too!
    So, what drives us to be almost constantly involved in this adventurism? Seems the land where, officially at least, life is valued has zero regard for lives lost and maimed in pointless wars.
    After sweeping across North America, killing and robbing the lands of natives, cheating them blind, is it now in our genes to continue this activity outside our borders? Sure seems like it!

    September 9, 2010 at 6:20 pm | Reply
  260. miker

    Ethernet, you said

    You asked 'Brenda' (not sure if you meant the author or someone that posted a comment) how old they were and said "the question is was it justified. They attacked us. Period. So it was completely justified. '

    And just how old are you? Six? You don't start a war simply because you were attacked. Is the US really any better off after the war? Has Al Qaeda been routed? The Taliban disbanded? Osama bin Laden captured? There's a lot of dead people, and for what? Indeed, isn't this exactly what Al Qaeda wanted? A bunch of dead americans and extreme financial damage to the US?

    September 9, 2010 at 6:21 pm | Reply
  261. ScubaDeb

    Neither Afghanistan nor Iraq were worth it. That part of the world is so barbaric - how many Muslims cry foul when a suicide bomber kills their civilians? - that we would have been better off cordoning off the Middle East and let them fester in the 12th century. Those people want to be governed by Sharia law, which openly discriminates against women, that we should bar them from visiting, studying or immigrating from that region, especially Saudi Arabia. Only women in that part of the world need salvation, and arranged marriages and immigration by Muslim men should be stopped otherwise the US goes backwards. This was a stupid waste of money, and there will never be peace in that part of the world. Let's cut our losses and say what we really thnk. To heck with political correctness!

    September 9, 2010 at 6:21 pm | Reply
  262. Pragmatist

    No, it was not because the US response was not appropriate. It was an issue of intelligence and preventive work, not a war. The only reason it was put in terms of a war was because of the political agenda of the Bush Administration. In perspective, how could the US go to "war" against a handful of people, relatively speaking.
    Terrorism is, ultimately, the tool of the powerless. Yet by their inappropriate response, Bush, et al, gave Al Queda the power to have the US waste billions of dollars and thousands of people's lives with no way of achieving victory, short of killing every person in Afghanistan.
    The first rule of any crisis is to properly identify the problem and come up with the solution. Bush, with no history of ever being proficient with such problem-solving, was in no position to oversee that process. Forget about having a semi-competent person surrounded by smart people. The President still has to make the final decision. We should not ever think about electing someone under similar circumstances. Thank god Bush wasn't President during the Cuban Missile Crisis!

    September 9, 2010 at 6:24 pm | Reply
  263. RamPal

    In 2001 it was worth it. Taliban that were completely uprooted in 2001, and now they have came up so strong over the years, who helped them revive so strongly and fight with the International forces needs serious consideration and rethinking of our strategy and tactics. Someone in the neighborhood is doing all this and the USA is looking other way and completely ignoring the real facts in the area. Someone is supplying Talibans all the weapons, ammunitions and intelegence. USA and international forces need to get their act together and go to the root of it and after the so called friends and get the real enemy.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:25 pm | Reply
  264. Aamir Ali

    The war in Afghanistan was an immediate reaction to 9/11 and the real culprits Al Qaeeda was main target, but toppling Taliban was a bad idea in my opinion. They were the only force who controlled Afghanistan after decades of unrest and some how achieved peace. If they were barbaric, proper contacts and communication would have toned them down and convinced to detach themselves from Al Qaeeda. Now with Northern Alliance melted and evapourated, this all depends on NATO to risk their lives for a bloody gurella war.

    The Afghanistan terrain is entirely different from Iraq and capturing the whole country is almost impossible. The moment NATO leaves, the Taliban may rise again and with in no time will eliminate current setup.

    This is high time to rethink about strategy in Afghanistan.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:25 pm | Reply
  265. Ray Leonard

    Santa Fe, NM
    In the beginning Afghanistan was justified. If Cheany, Rumsfelt, and Wolfeitz hadn't stopped our troops at Tora Bora it would have been over. But then the Neo-Cons (Republicians) wouldn't have had a basis for going after the oil in Iraq.
    Afghanistan is corrupt and we should get out. If they want 7th century Islamic law then let them have it.
    Stop the flow of our dollars and our troops blood.
    Leave with the slogan that the drones are up there.
    We should also stop supporting Pakistan and let them live with the problems they created along the boarder.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:25 pm | Reply
  266. Gart

    NO – Iraq
    MAYBE – Afganistan – But we can't stay there much longer.

    We went to Iraq because of GW Bush and for no other reason than he and his cronies wanted to 'take out Saddam"

    This costs US BILLIONS of dollars – tens of thousands of lives and divided our country in a way that will take a generation to heal, if ever. I have never experienced so much hatred spreading across America as I see now. Even Hitler didn't bring out this much hate in Americans!

    September 9, 2010 at 6:28 pm | Reply
  267. Irrelevant

    This is a debate?....One question, is ANY war worth it?

    "Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword" ~Jesus

    Interesting how people are STILL so simple minded, dating back to the days of cavemen and beyond, and REFUSE realize that there would be NO war if there were NO army...unfortunately the masses have learned nothing...

    Who would die if everyone REFUSED to murder?...without people volunteering to kill others there would be no sheep for the generals/politicians to use as puppets...there would be no war...

    there is absolutely nothing to gain from war, only loss...can you ever win when people are dying?...for what? land, money...meaningless crap...

    people will one day wake up and realize the truth...when they are forced to...aka a nuke going off in your backyard....maybe just maybe then people will think war is not some game and is a direct result of the armies, weapons, government....without any of these there would be peace...however, the masses prefer materialistic physical gains and have totally forgotten about spiritual gains which are what truely matter...

    I wonder how much god will praise soldiers for all the people they've killed just because someone told them to...for all the people that have not evolved mentally/spiritually since cavemen...guess what...we are all human beings regardless of your land of birth, skin color, male or female...but you think theres a difference between you and the iraqis or afghanis or anyone?

    For all you war mongers out there...enjoy your land, your money, your "victory"...because in the end when you die like every other human being god will give a crap about all that and will instead focus on what kind of person you ARE...this is the TRUTH....enjoy it while it lasts....I'd hate to be there when you die and face REALITY in the face of god.

    But hey, what do i know?

    "Love eachother" ...take a guess who said that...

    *p.s. food for thought... explain how there were no plane engines/luggage/debris/video footage of the event/etc..ever found when a "plane" allegedly went into the pentagon on 9/11? (guess they just vanished)...explain how there was molten steel found by the twin towers when no fire can ever reach temperatures that high to melt steel? (it has to be done in a controlled factory environment or you could use government made explosives designed for that)...might wanna think twice about what you've been told and see if it actually makes any sense or is TRUE before you start to kill others in response.

    "The TRUTH shall set you FREE" ...wonder who said that too...

    September 9, 2010 at 6:29 pm | Reply
  268. Chris

    This is ridiculous. The Afghan war was and is extremely important. The United States could not shrug off the thousands of innocent American deaths on sovereign US territory. For Gods sakes the extremists drove civilian planes into civilian buildings with no other provocation other than the fact that they did not like us? Pull up a video of New York City, New York, September 11, 2001, and tell me that doesn't move you to anger and grief. This goes for non-Americans too. People are so quick to forget 9/11 and the two buildings and four planes full of innocent civilians and those who risked their lives to save them. Those against the Afghan war, not the Iraq war mind you, need to go back and look at the reasons for the invasion. We did not invade for oil, we invaded to stop Bin Laden and those others who perpetrated the aforementioned attacks, and is not at all comparable to Vietnam nor Korea because we actually have a stake in this conflict.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:32 pm | Reply
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  270. Bill Smith

    From Maine. There is not one advantage to staying in Afaganistan and having 100's and 1000's more of our US troops killed and injured, especially when the Government in Afiganistan does not like us or giving us only lip service to supports us. Why waste and I repeat waste our tax dollars for a country that has no ambition or willingness to take back control of their own country. More importantly, what is the advantage for us to stay there and get killed, when we can not fight if a civilian is near although they may have IUD'S under their clothing. etc. We can not shoot until shot upon etc.
    As a veteran, have never in my life heard anything more ludicress.
    We will never win this war even if it goes for 20 more years.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:33 pm | Reply
  271. Robert W. North Carolina

    Yes. The day the WTC was destroyed and all those people were murdered I looked at my friend and ask "Well, who are we going to bomb?" He guessed Iran but it turned out the cold murderers were trained in Afghanistan. Here was a regime that had taken over a country and their main policy was to murder people that did not conform to their view of Islam. They had to be taken out of power. It was and is costly but the world is a little safer now. I say thank you and may you be blessed to all who have served in the military in this war to make my wife and kids live safer lives.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:34 pm | Reply
  272. salerno

    No worth. Bin Laden and other leadere escaped. No success. Only useless killing and hate increasing.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:37 pm | Reply
  273. Chris

    Of course the war is worth it. The only real issue, is how it has been handled.

    As with all wars, mistakes have been made. We thought the invasion was the hard part, we underestimated the resiliancy of the Taliban and their Al Qaeda allies, resources were diverted to Iraq, and many more things that we could of handled better.

    But the big question is the war itself. We were attacked by Al Qaeda, who's leadership and base of operations and training was in Afghanistan. Afghanistan was ruled by the Taliban, who openly harbored and protected this group. When asked to surrender Bin Laden and his associates, the Government of Afghanistan (the Taliban) refused. So we invade the country, topple the Taliban, and Al Qaeda has been severely degraded as a result.

    It's not a perfect war with perfect and quick results, but their is no question in my mind and I would say any responsible leader of a nation, that this war was a war of neccessity that was thrust upon us.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:41 pm | Reply
  274. BSM

    Yes, it was worth it, but our focus should have always been on Afghanistan. I believe that had we never invaded Iraq, that the current resurgance of Taliban would not have taken place. Now we're basically at the point where we have to start over. We were completely justified in attacking in the first place following 9/11. We have no choice but to win this fight lest we return control of Afghanistan to an openly hostile group that has already demonstrated the desire and ability to attack America on American soil.

    By the way, I'm an Army veteran of OIF. I've lost close friends in both OIF and OEF. I also assisted with post-9/11 cleanup efforts.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:41 pm | Reply
  275. Spencer in Chicago

    What a stupid question. That's like asking someone who crashed into someone else's car if it was worth it to pay to have the other guys car fixed. Of course not. But we had no choice. The cost of not fixing it would have been vastly worse.

    We needed to get rid of the Taliban and that required 'breaking' Afghanistan. So we had to put it back together. You break it, you buy it.

    Then, after being fairly successful, we lost focus and screwed it up. Was it worth it to screw it up? Of course not. It cost just as much to screw it up as to do it right. But to ask was it worth it? Nonsensical. End of debate.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:47 pm | Reply
  276. crazyvic

    The war was not worth it. On the contrary, it has increase the 'untrust' to 'American Affairs' and people are upset for all 'nonsense killing' especially those 'innocents' that are really the ones paying for a 'nonsense war.' Please, bring the kids back ASAP, continue 'dronning' against specific targets is cheaper and very effective. Protect the homeland with sophisticaded 'technology' and invest that 'war money' to re-invent our economy.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:49 pm | Reply
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  278. Daniel

    By itself this war may have been worth it, unfortunately, the complete waste that was Iraq completely side-tracked us, weakened our position in the middle east, and bleeding us of American lives and treasure while consolidating terrorist resistance against us. By the time we turned our full attention back to Afghanistan, things had spiraled out of our control, and meanwhile, the world and American people alike weren't sure what we were even doing there. At this point, we're really back to square one, and now in a terrible position. We can't leave without the distinct possibility of a terrorist takeover, and yet the prospect of staying for another ten years (probably what it will take) is costly, bloody, and tiresome. No good options here.

    September 9, 2010 at 6:56 pm | Reply
  279. Jessica

    The war never was worth it, nor will it ever be. Afghanistan had as much do with 9/11 as Spain, Saudi Arabia and Florida did...but you'll notice we didnt invade those places. The media continues to ramp up this notion that muslims all over the world are ready to blow us up if we move a mosque or burn some quran's...while in reality, it's a crazy few...and why we give them such a huge stage to stand and spew ignorance from, is beyond me. Even our president is paying lip service to the insane pastor in florida. Listen, if muslims want to go crazy because some reject down in florida is mentally challeneged – LET THEM. LET THE CRAZY BE WHAT IT IS...but how about we stop giving them media attention? We've created the religious zealot versions of Lindsay Lohan and Brittany Spears because we continually play up their antics as if they MATTER to anyone with more than 3 brain cells. STOP, JUST STOP.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:00 pm | Reply
  280. Hari M

    Of course it is worth it. Having lived on receiving end of islamic terrorism, there is definitely a need to confront it. You can either have war all over the world or have it concentrated in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We don't have a third choice unfortunately. India never attacked Afghanistan and it even supported many afghan government, what did we get in return, hijacked planes, bomb blasts all over the country. Mostly based in Pakistan and some based in Afghanistan.

    You cannot talk peace with folks who live by their swords.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:00 pm | Reply
  281. war

    Justice for those killed during 9/11 attacks. No attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11. Freed an oppressed country. Averted a war on home soil. Eliminated a ruthless dictator. Showed the world we do not tolerate terrorist acts & WILL respond when our citizens are attacked (vs doing nothing). Was it worth it.....? You tell me.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:04 pm | Reply
  282. Brian

    Yes, this war is worth it. This war is a bill long overdue. These people fought the Russians for us. They not only fought the Russians they won. The Afghans, more than Ronald Regan should be credited with ending the Soviet Empire. Yet instead of helping them rebuild we abandoned them. We abandoned them to fanatics like the Taliban.
    If we had helped them rebuild in the 80’s and 90’s we would not be fighting this war. We are now spending twenty times what it would have cost us to rebuild back then. But then again America is very good at making a mess and then not cleaning it up.
    This is one of the examples the NYC Mosque Imam should cite when he says that America was partially responsible for 9/11. We do this all the time. We abandoned our friends who fought for us in Vietnam. George H. W. Bush incited the Kurds to rise up against Sadam Hussein and then abandoned them. America cannot be trusted around the world. We abandon our friends when they need us.
    America made its bed in Afghanistan. Now it is time to lay down in it. We need to stop messing around in the affairs of other countries if we are not prepared to pay the price to clean up the mess we make. The American Voter needs to tell their leaders to end American Imperlism.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:07 pm | Reply
  283. garland

    not worth it. Would have been cheaper to buy all the opium they could produce and teach them Capitalism so they eventually reject the Taliban.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:09 pm | Reply
  284. L

    I was Not worth it

    September 9, 2010 at 7:11 pm | Reply
  285. Jeffrey

    well it was worth it for the American people to see how corrupted is this government. it also helped us see how our leaders lack of intellegence. it only helped us see what was hidden from us.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:17 pm | Reply
  286. Cornelia

    Afganistan has a whole lot of minerals underneath that harsh country of theirs. Resources US would have first hand at exploring and buying if there is a foothold in the area. What if hostile forces have access to all that lithium? Problem is: are those resources worth the Billions of dollars that all taxpayers in US have already paid and all lifes lost for this war? Probably not.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:19 pm | Reply
  287. Military

    Everyone who is a civilian should not give an opinion on what the military members want/need a LOT of us enjoy deploying and a lot of us Were young when the war started (23 now). But maybe we, the young military members, remember where we were when we saw the worst attack on the US on September 11. There was no propaganda making us join the military or forcing us to go over there, we VOLUNTEERED knowing quite well what we might be asked to do. Sure our family and friends are worried and we are thankful for the ACTUAL supporters but we don't need another Vietnam type welcome from non supporters blaming us for others sins. Remember we asked to join and train to do exactly what we do over there and if its not worth it to you try and remember the feeling you had when the towers fell, it frightened me and inspired me all at the same time. I saw Americans come together... Oh how quickly we forget.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:21 pm | Reply
  288. Cherie Spells

    Here is the skinny, why the freakin frakin has'nt the military busted the door down on this so called pastor and put his butt in the slammer for just putting the troops in harms way/ What kind of weak, stuptidfied peope habe we become. This is so silly for A goverment to allow 1 idiot to put our troops in harm way and as a veteran I am insulted, by the lack of fortitude and the outright irrespossiblity on everyone speaking about this issue. Get some balls and arrest that jack handle.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:21 pm | Reply
  289. Ricky

    The war is absolutely not worth it.

    To say that the underlying attempt to prevent terrorism abroad by stifling a popular radical insurgency is a farce in lieu of terrorist movements elsewhere in the world such as Mexico, South America, the Philippines, East Africa and elswhere that are receiving little to no attention by NATO anto-terror campaigns.

    This war is being fought simply to generate profit for military contracts and hides behind the rouse of stabilizing the region as a whole. It is a waste of human lives. European and American societies alike had to go through their own periods of instability and civil war before finding what Westerners would rationalize as humane/democratic treatment of its citizens.

    Let them figure it out for themselves. We need to stop fighting other people's revolutions for them.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:23 pm | Reply
  290. Mike

    Is it worth it? Lets think about this for a second. Was it worth it to come to our soil and kill innocent people? Here is what I think!!!!! You are Damn right it is! I am in the military. I have done 2 tours in Afghanistan and 1 in Iraq. So for all you people that do not support our efforts in this war. Why don't all you non supporters come to Afghanistan and see if you like there way of life better than the one you have in the U.S. that your military is fighting to maintain. If we would have let that attack slide guess what the battle could have been brought on to our soil and more casualties could have been produced. So think about what you are saying. Also everyone that is supporting the military's efforts, "GOD BLESS" and to all the non supporters how about you just get out of America.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:26 pm | Reply
  291. Mike

    @ MRC above – you are spot on

    September 9, 2010 at 7:26 pm | Reply
  292. Amanda from Massachusetts

    We all want our men and women fighting in Afghanistan to return home safely and quickly, but those who oppose this war need to consider the cosequences of their suggestions. What do you think will happen if America leaves Afghanistan the way it is now? Do you honestly believe that the Taliban won't invite Al -Quaeda back into the areas they control to again set up operations? The lesson of history is this: when the United States lost in Afghanistan after the Soviet invasion, we helped enable the Taliban extremists take over the country. Letting history repeat itself is a scenario that we can't afford or allow.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:27 pm | Reply
  293. Army SPC

    Coming from a military perspective, I do understand the reasoning for still occupying the country. "To stop them there,before they bring it here." I truly do understand that, but the war in Afghanistan will never end. There will never be a winner or loser. I have read many books on Afghanistan history and wars in Afghanistan. There is no national government, no one person that can speak to the people of the Afghanistan and have any influence. The people of Afghanistan have been through this for hundreds of years. The Insurgents will never be gone and the fighting will never stop. So was it worth it? to an extent yes. Will it ever be over and won? there will not be a winner, but maybe over one day.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:27 pm | Reply
  294. Anthony

    It's funny that alot of people have something to say about our military but have never served and are enjoying the rights that have been protected by none other than service members. Are the wars right most likely not but 9/11 was no accident. Sleep well tonight for the UNITED STATES MILITARY IS PROTECTING OUR WAYS OF LIFE.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:27 pm | Reply
  295. PJB1775

    I fought in this war in 2008, and I, to this day, believe that it is NOT worth is. Period.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:31 pm | Reply
  296. John


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  297. Cherie Spells

    Now here are some facts that i trust I receved in 1998 from Muhammad Ali, from a pamplet call Introdicing Islam, The are a list of muslims from around the world at the given time of this document, Arabs, Turks, Persians, Indians, Pakisanis, Malaysians, Indonesians, Eroupeans, Africans, Americans, Chinese, and other nationalities. The estimated muslim population at this time was one billion, and 200 million Arabs. approx at this time only 10 percent were counted none muslim. Thus the Arab muslim constituted only about 20 percent

    September 9, 2010 at 7:32 pm | Reply
  298. dave

    YES the war was worth it. How could you say it wasn't. The attack of 9/11 was unexpected and that made us realize the true terrors out there. Since then we have not had anyh major attacks there have been attempts but they have been sought out by our top investigators.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:32 pm | Reply
  299. EDP

    History has proven that any campaign into Afghanistan has always proved to be a failure. From Alexander the Great, to the Mongols, the British, the Russians, and now, the Americans, no one power had/has truly conquered these peoples/tribes. The incursion into Afghanistan was probably only worthwhile the first 3 years. Then we shot ourselves on the foot by invading Iraq. After all is said and done, and billions of dollars later on wasted between the 2 wars, the only people that gained anything were the "employees" of Halliburton, Blackwater, Triple Canopy, and the like. Again, the real casualties are the Americans (fiscally and otherwise). It's time to bail! Nothing good can come of prolonging both wars.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:34 pm | Reply
  300. J3707

    If you say it's not worth it, you're saying every death was in vain. There's a lot of implication that with was a war for minerals. I can specifically remember that this war was a reaction to Osama Bin Laden, his Al Qaeda thugs and the Taliban that supported them. People overstate the costs of these wars when they pale in comparison to much of our other budgetary programs. We engaged in these wars to make these countries, that were in the business of taking out America, into countries that are our allies. A lot of mining and drilling contracts were given to the Europeans and Chinese, so this is not about hegemony. In my opinion this war is completely worth it.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:36 pm | Reply
  301. Annexian

    These wars are all lies.

    Lies so a select, secret elite can profit a dime for every dollar spent/borrowed on/for them.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:37 pm | Reply
  302. John

    Response to : DSangiovanni September 9th, 2010 6:00 pm ET
    John, then plz, tell me the reason we went to Irak ? Cause they have nothing to do with 9/11 as you know. Why ?

    Why? Because my country asked me to. Military men and woman don't have the advantage of picking and choosing where they want to fight. We do as we are told. If you want my opinion, I revert back to the tone of what this country was feeling. There was resistance from Sadam to open up his country to inspectors.
    I believe everyone including Europeans were fed up with Iraq's defiance to the UN. The US stepped up and put the pressure on and did what it thought was right at that time. Did we find what we thought was there? ...no. Is Iraq better today then it was in March 2003? Maybe. If democracy prevails, it will be because of the US liberated Iraq from a dictator that killed his own people. Ask yourself, were we not better to have taken down Hitler and the Nazi's in WWII? Did not Hitler kill millions of "German Jews"? The 9th anniversary of 911 is just days away. It hurts me as a American to see how we have forgotten what happened back then and how this country was ready to take to the streets to triumph over evil.
    One thing we need to remember, never forget the history of the world.
    ...it has a tendency to repeat itself when people are in denial and forget.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:39 pm | Reply
  303. mario


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  304. tg

    Worth it or not, we are there...nothing said on this board changes that fact! That said, I spent a year there in 2003 in the military and my take aways were these: We dominated the enemy in all situations but our war costs vs theirs are unsustainable, the Afghan general population is well intentioned, but needs education more than anything to move forward, and our allies (or lack of) don't have the stomach for a long term counterinsurgency.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:43 pm | Reply
  305. chris

    is any war ever really "worth it"? Whatever that means...Wars should not be defined like that. When we got involved in afghanistan, it was a defensive act, an act at the time deemed to be a necessity, and supported by the majority of americans and almost all of congress, and even most of the world, to include muslim countries. We were attacked. We responded the only way we knew how. Mistakes were made along the way, and now we have a mess. It is our duty and responsibility to clean it up...we should finish what we start, plain and simple. Who cares if it was "worth it" Let the morons argue over whether or not something was "worth it" the real doers of deeds will be out there trying to put together the pieces any way they know how.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:44 pm | Reply
  306. Cherie Spells

    For one human being that severved this country in 1980-1990 and working 20 years at on job and letting that job go, to leave it open for a homecoming vet was my choice. I know how it is to come home during a recession and have to compete with others struggling to find work, beatrng the pavemwnt to find a decent job and feel some self worth after serving. No i did not have to fight other men and women for irresponsible and selfish decsions made by others. But I will not be looked down at now that I am un employed and struggling to find work or the sheer struggle to strat my own business because no one wants to really help do anything but haord and run their freakin mouths. We must keep the American cirrculating and the President must continue in his efforts to keep us alive

    September 9, 2010 at 7:46 pm | Reply
  307. Ron

    Our way of life is here in this country. No problem with the war as payback. We should have waited to find out where he was and then annilated them. No invasion; no escape. What we can't win is this mess we are trying to mold into another Vetnam. Bring our troops home and use our resources to secure our borders against illegal infiltration. We are going to bankrupt our country while they grow opium. We need to learn our lessons from the false sense of security that enabled terrorist to deliver 9/11.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:47 pm | Reply
  308. Jason

    From an infantry officer in the U.S. Army, the war was and is absolutely worth it! Stop saying we need to return our soldiers home and keep them safe... in an all volunteer Army, I knew exactly what i was signing up for- war. Although every soldier killed in combat is precious, numbers are way lower than any other conflict in American history with respect to the time invovled. I would much rather risk my own life and bring the fight to the enemy, than have the enemy bring it to my doorstep and threaten my family and countrymen. Agree with entering the war or not, pulling out our troops now WOULD be repeating Vietnam. The second we pulled out, we lost everything we had gained as the vietcong took over Saigon. Pulling out of Afghanistan would have the same effect... terrorism and religous extremism will only grow.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:50 pm | Reply
  309. Daniel Rose

    All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

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  310. Dan

    !. Was the war in Afghanistan worth it: No we are still there!!
    Was the Iraq War worth it – No We are still there also.
    The Culture is vastly different there will never be an end.
    Let other countries live by their laws and America quit trying to tell everyone how they should live politically.
    We are no safer now after 9/11/2001 than we were before. The terriorst are already here and obviously have been for along time. Lets save the lives of our military and use the funds we are spending oversees to upgrade technology and fight on our own sturf where we have the advantage.
    Lets look at other country laws about imigration and follow suit!! What country can any of us go to get get the "free life" they get that as Americans we have to work a life time to enjoy.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:52 pm | Reply
  311. John, Dallas, Texas

    I was profoundly against the invasion of Irak but I supported the war in Afghanistan and still am supporting our presence there for many reasons.
    On the Taliban issue its clear that the Taliban are a product of pakistani military intelegince service (ISI). It looks to me that the US still playing a double game regarding Pakistan and support the same elements in Pakistan, direct or indirect, who provide assistance and training and supply to Taliban. The future of Taliban is in the hand of pakistani military. If we don't draw a clear line between our friends and enemies, we shall acomplish nothing.

    Ninty five percent of Taliban are Pashtuns. Their tribes have been historicaly against any kind of progress. If they don;t want schools, hospitals, roads and bridges . we can not enforce them to have.
    At least we can secure north, central and westren provinces of Afghanistan, pull back the troops to these areas and let theTaliban run the south and eastern provinces bordering Pakistan, their main tribal areas.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:53 pm | Reply
  312. Reason18

    Of course it is worth it! Let's not confuse this war with the one in Iraq. The taliban allowed Al Qaida to operate freely. We gave the taliban the option to hand Bin Laden and his people over. They said "No" and claimed they would fight to the death–So we did what we had to do to keep our country safe by overthrowing the taliban

    We can't leave or we'll be right back where we were at on 9/11. The taliban will likely come in and take over again and give terrorists free reign.

    Come on people. This is the most serious threat to our country.

    September 9, 2010 at 7:55 pm | Reply
  313. Adeel Riaz

    people in afghanistan wants to usa remain in their country, reason they knew that americans will lose more troops and more money ,no ones ever win in afghanistan
    thats wt russia and china wants to you people stuck in afghanistan,
    put yr hand at yr heart and ask yr self ever usa could win this war?

    September 9, 2010 at 8:01 pm | Reply
  314. Money

    No the war was not worth it. It was our fault the WTC killers got on board the planes and seized control. Stupid security, stupid procedure to open cockpits. Rather than admit out stupidity and responsibility, we kill thousands more of our young men and tens of thousands of other innocents. Absolutely insane. The wars exist because of our inability to accept responsibility and because they are so profitable for powerful industry sectors.

    September 9, 2010 at 8:01 pm | Reply
  315. Ronald Watson

    Why is Obama convertly threatening our allies about pulling out? What he should be doing is covertly, then overtly, threatening our allies about pulling out!
    Lay it on the line. Pakistan leadership, if you don´t eleminate the Taliban santuary inside your own country, we will pull out! NATO allies, if you don´t fully share the burden, we will pull out.! Once that´s done, the whole scenario changes because he won´t be getting any positive answers from anyone, not even the American public.
    Moreover, this war should have never taken place. When the Taliban were running from their front lilnes in the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Bush chose NOT to eliminate them by massive bombing, a gross miscalculation. Now, the time has come for our exodus, since terrorism cannot be destroyed by a victory in Afghanistan, and the country is one of the poorest on earth, which means a lot of unsustainable spending over the next 20 years. I only hope that Obama has a clear vision of what he must do now!
    Ronald Watson
    Madrid, Spain

    September 9, 2010 at 8:03 pm | Reply
  316. bangash

    At this stage these questions look stupid and in clear term signs of defeat. Basic problem is deviation from the main ideals for which, founding fathers of the USA had fought liberation war from British imperialism. George Washington had advised nation to remain neutral and avoid alliances in world politics as it will add to wars and suggested trade relations with all other nations. Successive rulers of USA strictly followed these principles till world war II which by then had made USA a new super power after THE fall of British empire. Based on the principles of Universal Justice, Equality and fraternity the new super power USA had to lead the world away from wars and contrary to the oppressive policies of British imperialism, had to encourage free trade links between all states and make them true welfare states in the world. Unfortunately this sudden fall of world leadership in the hands of American found them unprepared therefore relied on British support in ruling the world. So nothing changed and instead American soil which had been built for the peace in the world was turned into a base for wars all over the world as had been the case during the British Empire and against which America had revolted. So when history has already proved that Empire when extended beyond limits it collapse. Today history is repeating itself on Afghan soil. American as a nation have voted for a change and election of Obama being an African American immigrant as President of USA, is in itself a revolutionary change in America therefore it is a time to confess and call spade a spade. Return to the basic national values which you as nation have promised to the world and you have it symbol in the shape of statue of liberty. Close your Arms complex and confine Pentagon to their barracks. lead the world with reason and logic then with guns and bombs. There is no harm in confessing that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were wrong, are wrong and will always be wrong and there is no doubt that further continuity in this illogic war means clear invitation to humiliating defeat.

    September 9, 2010 at 8:08 pm | Reply
  317. gregory

    time .my friend time these people have nothing to loose unlike you.at the begining it was o.k. but after 9 years taliban are still in afghanistan ant pakistan, bin laden still there somewhere and el qaida evrywhere can your economy afford it ? and for how long. i think its about time you leave

    September 9, 2010 at 8:11 pm | Reply
  318. Ikramuddin Bahram

    Ikramuddin Bahram, Afghan from Peshawar-Pakistan

    The war in Afghanistan has now turned into a new phase as Afghanistan still remains a country directly dependent for its security and stability on the US and NATO. This makes the future of Afghanistan dubious and uncertain. The over all security situation hasn't improved at all. Karzai still remains to be the Mayor of Kabul and his influence can't be felt beyond his presidential palace. In such a scenario, I think it won't be wise to believe in an Afghanistan to emerge as a stable country sooner. The system currently running Afghanistan has been ill-founded and has been far weakened by the massive corruption that goes unchecked.

    September 9, 2010 at 8:13 pm | Reply
  319. Kenneth

    Is the Afghanistan war effort worth it? Have we so easily forgotten 9/11? Do we somehow think our enemies have and suddenly will not bother us in the future? Do we really think they are suddenly going to stop their efforts to attack us? When we sent Cruise Missiles to destroy their training camps after their attack on the USS Cole did that stop them? Did our message get across? If the Soviets were a brutal army in the 80’s attacking the Afghans then we are the complete opposite. We are the politically correct “oh we don’t want to offend anyone” military trying to conduct a war. We need to find a balance where they know not to mess with us but also leaving them an alternative other than the destruction of both lives and culture/religion. Where Saddam will not be missed or anything, I do think we should not have gone into Iraq. We should have put more effort into our Afghan effort. When our soldiers ask for certain equipment to conduct operations on our government’s behalf they should not be denied because it might offend someone. If our soldiers have to take someone down because they might reveal the location of our troops out on ops that should be left up to the people on the ground. They shouldn’t be worried they might be charged with murder or assault when trying to defend themselves or conceal their presence. This is war after all. Imagine for a moment if the President at the time of Sep 11th said, “Well we know it was these terrorist in Afghanistan that have been attacking us for years but we simply do not want to commit to a war effort because we do not think it worth the effort”. What do you think Americans would have said? And what do you tell the families of killed service men now if we decide it wasn’t worth it, pull out and get attacked again in a few years. The only way to insure Afghanistan isn’t used as a terrorist safe haven against us again is to install a friendly government that is both stable and capable of defending itself. Look at where leaving them up to their own devices after the Soviet war got us. Nation building and the winning of hearts and minds is the ultimate goal but to achieve that they need to respect not just our capabilities but our commitment. Everyone knows from the first day an American soldier set foot in Afghanistan that ultimately we would be leaving. This is their home. The locals have to live there after we leave, so what is the incentive of working with us if we do not leave them with a government that can protect them? It usually is not easy to do the right thing, and freedom does have a price. When someone lost is close to you I cannot fault you for asking such a question but ultimately what will become of that sacrifice. If we simply pull up and leave it will have been for nothing and it will not have been worth it.

    September 9, 2010 at 8:17 pm | Reply
  320. Kristiane

    Brenda O'Connor September 9th, 2010 2:32 pm ET

    NO! The war was/is not worth it.

    Brenda, AQ used Afghanistan as a site for training young men to be terrorists. The US has been attacked by these "young men" all over the world and in the USA as well. So, like Chamberlain, you must believe that diplomacy and endless talks work to change a mind set on evil. I do not believe these "young men" can change their mind because their hearts are so hard and they are bent on destruction.

    September 9, 2010 at 8:18 pm | Reply
  321. gi_jackie

    Simply, no.

    September 9, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  322. robert lotierzo

    NO! they wont help themselves, why do our children need to die for them. In thousands of year NO army has survived in that country. bring our people home. If you want use drone to kill the bad guys.

    September 9, 2010 at 8:23 pm | Reply
  323. John A, Libertyville IL

    I think it to be failry obvious that neither the Iraq "Daddy's War II" (for Bush's intransigence and trumped up BS for entering in the first place) nor Afghanistan will prove to be worth the life of one single American, let alone thousands.

    The Russians laughed at us when we went into AFG as they had their own winless escapade a number of years ago, when we financed and supported Mujaheddin – the resistance fighters who are now – Al Quaida. Both countries have centuries of sectarian division and hatred and the accompnaying religious fervor. We are trying -as usual – to impose our concept of free democracy on countries which do not want it!

    The future of the sandbox and the rockpile are assuredly to be the same as always. These people will sort it all out among themselves and we should recognize that to impose what we believe to be the only "right" system is a gross mistake. Get the hell out and stay out is my fervent hope. Instead focus our diminishing resources on the protection of our own country and taking care of things that matter to US – such as controlling illegal immigration, finding a way to provide good health care etc.

    September 9, 2010 at 8:25 pm | Reply
  324. Roger

    not worth it and no winners in war EVER

    September 9, 2010 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  325. Valdemar Secher

    Writing from Copenhagen, Denmark.

    As a Danish soldier who've done three tours of Afghanistan (Helmand Province), being part of the reconstruction and development, I sincerely believe that it is possible to suppress the insurgency and promote a peaceful and stable, if not entirely "western-democratic" Afghan state. As such, the campaign has definately been worthwhile.

    I do believe, though, that the effective dismantling of the comprehensive drugrelated militant nexus is imperative and should be concluded prior to any serious attempts to introduce statebuilding to the tribal south. There are plenty of indicators that the insurgency of southern Afghanistan is entirely dependant on the profits made from the harvesting, processing and smuggling of opium/heroin. In order to effectively decapitate the resurgent Taliban and its multitude of affiliated militant groups, the illegal drug industry has to be eliminated. Once done, the balance in the current war of attrition being fought will sway in favour of coalition forces.

    Lacking the backbone of their economy, militants will become less and less effective at interdicting coalition forces, let alone harassing the local populace; burning schools, maintaining "shadow governance" etc etc.

    We have to first and foremost deal with the poppy issue. For far too long, this core problem has been neglected.

    With the insurgency broken off due to lacking funds, Afghan state integrity will increase. At that point, I believe the key to success will be in dealing effectively with domestic corruption, and last but not least – to improve relations with regional neighbours.

    It should be of less concern to western countries whether Afghanistan chooses to befriend Iran, Pakistan, central asian countries etc. etc. State integrity starts and ends with the right to choose your own allies.

    September 9, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Reply
  326. Fidel

    Nothing would have stopped the impertuosities in ALQaeda if not for the war. Are we now pretending that we were not aware that more atacks were coming to the USA?. The war was worth it. Secuirty is costly and we must accept the hard truth

    September 9, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Reply
  327. Ambrish Dhaka

    The War in Afghanistan began with the aim of fighting out the terror and its perpetrators. It has been now more than ever before evident that US has been linearly increasing its cost to maintain security more than ever before. So, the terror has not come down. The chaos that has been left by the US in Iraq and it seems to follow in Afghanistan is a testimony that it has not been able to physically drive out the terrorists.
    Then what America wanted to achieve?
    It wanted to restore its supremacy after 9/11. Yes, that has been achieved.
    Its control over Middle East is paramount for extended presence world over. Yes, it has been achieved, too.
    The fact is that the states in the world cannot afford to defy America. Yet, these non-state actors who are so crude in their war methods are defying the US tooth and nail every opportunity they get.
    One of the important facts that have surfaced from this venture is that hegemony is not a civilisational good. It remains best with the state, and it withers away with it. The US state has taken care of its interest, but what about the ordinary Americans. What has been the reward for them. Some my contend for freedom, but as I said earlier that increased securitisation of life styles has left no room for real freedoms. There is virtualisation of space and it is offered inlieu of sense of freedom.
    The US has come to the terms in the Afghan war that it is not the power that determines the fate of war. It is the ability to stay longer in the war that defines the moment of success, and they know they stood abreast with the West against the Soviets, who finally capitulated. But, this is a challenge of a different kind. It has exposed the falsity of the notions of democracy and human rights. They only work in the western hemisphere. The war torn state of the Middle East countries has left deep scars in the history of civilisations to which the US has no answer. It has left the place where it is going to get no glory, for the aims it justified for have already been cheated through its acts.

    September 9, 2010 at 8:39 pm | Reply
  328. NFL Starts Today

    I've Just Read All The Posts – This guy wins hands down! 100% He's Right On!
    Bin Laden Won!

    His stated goal was to wreck havoc on Western economy's.

    Turns out, slamming three planes into buildings and one into the ground didn't appear to have the net affect he was looking for, even if you dismiss Wall Street being closed for a short time. If only we could freeze time there. But, lucky for Bin Laden, we had George Bush. Instead of a single day of shock and awe in Afghanistan and maybe a few months of drone attacks on Al Qaeda camps, we go for occupation of a country that turned away the other cold war superpower. The temerity of the U.S. sometimes embarrasses me..

    Then, the 9/11 planes are used to justify an attack on Iraq. 200 billion dollars taken out of the U.S economy that might have helped stem the financial crisis we're in now, and have been in, for years.

    Yes, Saddam was a POS and there is some citizen consensus his being gone is good. But, there was no WMDs and no Al Qaeda in Iraq so hunting down Saddam in the darkness, killing him in anonymity and letting them figure this out for themselves would have netted the same result as we have now for 198 billion less. For the naysayers, Iran has no more chance of occupying Iraq than the U.S.

    George Bush, used his power and might to kill thousands (many innocent observers) under my name, and yet, there are no gains for middle east peace, Iran has lost it's containing enemy, our economy – so strong in 2000 – is now in shambles.

    Hate to lose, but I was always taught to be graceful in defeat – Ladies and Gentlemen as of this day – Bin Laden Won!

    Folks – it's easy. We should have been there to get the guys that got us,
    Al Qaeda, and gotten the heck out of there.

    These wars are not being fought for our freedom that's just patriotic, narcissistic, myopic, tea party bull! But, now we've messed it up so bad, our reputation is at stake, we have to live with it and move on with some commitment to get Iraq and Afghanistan's house's in order.

    Shame, it just wasn't worth it. Yes we lost 3,000 in 9/11 but adding death to another 5,000, and carnage and pain to tens of thousands of US military and - to not be myopic about US interests - untold and uncounted innocent (some minute number guilty by association and direct involvement) citizens of these country's is unbalanced and unfair and immoral. Say what you want to protect your belief system but these wars have hurt every single living and to be born human being in the world at some level. Don't get me started on the impact of a Christen vs. Muslim environment this has created. By the way I am having a bible burning, anyone want to come?

    A great man once said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again expecting different results". Change. We need Change. Get out of Iraq. Hoo Rah. Get out of Afghanistan by killing poppy's and giving women guns and training so the downtrodden can thump on the little dicks in the town. Bottom line, this guy's right, our economy is in tatters and that's just what Bin Laden wanted.

    Thank you military, nothing in my post should intimate that I don't support you and everything you do! Love America, democracy and my right to say what I think. I think you shouldn't be risking your lives for this mission.

    I wonder if he's sitting in a cave somewhere right now dreaming of meeting George W. and telling him to his face "Sucka you did exactly what I thought you would, but I did think I would die doing it, lucky me."

    September 9, 2010 at 8:41 pm | Reply
  329. Julia

    The war has been absolutely worth it, in regards to a response to the attack on 9/11. But unfortunetly it has been absolutely mismanaged and therefore we have so much unnesscesary loss of lives and loss of control. We need to be more aggressive over there and more supportive as a country–find the suposed perpetrator of the 9/11 attacks and bring him to justice.

    We watched the world go to war in the 1930's and did nothing, the way many countries are watching us now. But what happened when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor? We took care of it and then we ended the war. And I am not supporting the use of the atom bomb, but I know we could end this war in Afganistan if we wanted to. We found Sadam. We could find the rat in Afganistan.

    We're going to win the War on Terror same way we won the War on Drugs.... we're not, unless the world gets behind PEACE.

    September 9, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Reply
  330. Papa_K

    Well as much as my opinion on this matter really is only a sounding board I will post my rant. My nephew is serving his second tour in Afghanistan and he posted a video of a place there the US troops had abandoned. It was an interview with the locals who were basically saying that the Americans were not wanted.

    We went there to find and kill BinLadin. We ended up trying to push out way of life on a 4th world country. We allowed an idiot named GW to convince a posse based country to go to war with a country rather than root out the man and kill him.

    We spent almost ten years and trillons of dollars and what do we have to show for it? An economy given to a black man and told to fix it in 2 weeks after he took office. Sounds like Americans don't understand simple logic. We listen to the talking heads on the right and have convinced they are telling us exactly what we want to hear.

    September 9, 2010 at 8:59 pm | Reply
  331. jawad

    Yes, and No. Let s start with Yes: USA learned that military is not a solution in long term.... NO: the war damage the image of USA, and I called USA miscalculation of Talibans power and their supporter and their roots..The Afghanistan problem is involved with India – Pakistan problem...it could be solved be diplomacy and politically..It is a regional problem..Pakistan fully support Taliban even in the High ranks ....as far as India – Pakistan. problem is not solved, it is silly to hope for peace...

    September 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm | Reply
  332. Hoagmeister

    Ask any veteran: it's not what you know about that gets you killed, it's what you are not prepared for. Carefully look back on articles about Secretary Clinton and her work in Pakistan and you might begin to get a picture that our future hinges on the stability of the regime in Pakistan. If the war in Afghanistan is abandoned before that nation is strong enough to resist the Taliban, then within a year of the troops leaving, the Taliban will be back in control. More important, the prestige of the victorious mujaheddin will resonate into Pakistan and the weak divided democracy there will fall under control the of the Muslim fanatics.

    It is here that I must share the shame of being a Canadian. In the 1960's under the leadership of a man I despise above all others: Pierre Elliott Trudeau, our country sold breeder reactor systems called CANDU reactors to Pakistan. Breeder reactors create weapons grade plutonium as a by-product of uranium fission. Pakistan has at least 100 weapons, and though I doubt they have the finances to afford the cost of maintaining thermonuclear weapons, such things are not necessary. A simple fission weapon boosted by tritium, a device smaller than a portable generator, can develop a wallop 5 times larger than the one that leveled Nagasaki.

    Canada, the US and the Central American states all share relatively open borders when it comes to truck traffic, and the American economy leans heavily on imported goods coming into North America from container ships. Government cutbacks in both Canada and the US have stripped port authorities and port customs to the bone, leaving our ports open to smuggled weapons disguised as machinery. Recent information found all over the Internet indicates that wrapping a weapon in an aluminum container can disguise the neutron signature of plutonium. Rumors have it that US technology exists which can do the job of detecting even the disguised weapons, but it's doubtful more than a few ports have that technology.

    Just one 60 kiloton nuke going off in a major city will render that city a ghost town thanks to the fact that a 60 kt ground burst is the worst imaginable dirty bomb. More than 5 such weapons going off, and you can kiss the Constitution and the country you love goodbye. All the nations on earth do not have the ability to come to the aid of such a horrific amount of suffering and destruction.

    America will retaliate with horrific force–I doubt that most Americans even realize how much power they could let loose. You have 14 active Ohio class subs, any one of which has enough weapons on board to decimate the major cities of the Middle East. Three or four of these subs could annihilate the entire Muslim world. I'm nearly 60 and I still remember going home in October 1962, wondering if I'd live to see tomorrow, and baby boomers my age all remember that horrible time. I'm a decorated member of the Canadian Armed forces and many of my colleagues who went on to build careers in the Intelligence community are now retired on CIA pensions, in addition to their Canadian military pensions. I've worked in the secret intercept bases and watched how we successfully trumped the Soviets, time and time again. I felt so good when the Berlin Wall came down and it looked like the world was moving into a saner place.

    I was wrong. The concept of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) kept the superpowers from wasting this planet, but fanatics are indeed MAD, and they have no problem smuggling nuclear weapons into the United States. If the Taliban get control of Afghanistan, they have a shot at taking control of Pakistan, which means they have access to those weapons in Pakistani bunkers. Such weapons could easily be disguised as cheap machinery going to companies all over the US.

    The bible says that after the flood, God told Noah that he would judge humanity one more time, and when that Judgment Day came, we would be punished by fire. Nothing I know of is hotter than 100 million degrees–the temperature at the core of an atomic bomb going off.

    History tells us, we've been here before, at a time when all our assumptions were based on bad information and we didn't see catastrophe coming our way. In June 1914, a Serbian fanatic shot the heir to the Austrian throne, and within 2 months the world went to war. We managed to lose more than 20 million lives in that nightmare and we set the stage for the coming of Adolf Hitler and the next great war. This time it only takes a few containers with bombs, and the response from the US Navy to render hundreds of millions of dead–in just hours. There may be no threat left from any Muslims after that, but I suspect there won't be much left of the United States either. In that nightmare scenario–nobody wins.

    September 9, 2010 at 9:02 pm | Reply
  333. Massoud

    The worth of war should be judged on the results it has brought out. Progress? or not? I think this war would have worth it, if there was combination of war and empowering of proper Afghans to get control of situation.
    I could say this war would worth it if America was not cheated by Pakistani politics and could root out insurgents form their head outs.

    September 9, 2010 at 9:06 pm | Reply
  334. Bill

    After 9/11 the entire world was with us and we were completely justified in invading Afghanistan and when we actually had a chance to take out Osama we took our eye off the ball and invaded Iraq. The surge worked in Iraq, but it was mismanaged from the start. We should have taken Osama out , but I think from an historical perspective Bush/Cheney should have known that in Afghanistan that Empires for centuries have been unable to win in Afghanistan. Most recently the Soviet Union in the 1980's. Our opportunity for victory was squandered because of Iraq.

    September 9, 2010 at 9:10 pm | Reply
  335. Herman (Netherlands)

    Unfortunately, I think that it has been a complete watste of time and money. Western values have a completely different meaning in that part of the world. I also do not think that the West should impose on the cultural heritage of the region.
    It is a war (struggle) that can go on for decades. I am of the opinion that the Taliban can never be beaten and the day troops move out, it will be back to square one. I pity the families that have lost their loved ones! What a terrible waste of human lives...

    September 9, 2010 at 9:14 pm | Reply
  336. shawn

    Its all boils down to money i think they said 25million dead or alive. Now thats more money than i've ever seen so if i knew where he was i would have already told someone. Look into Builder Berg!!!!! I saw they have a lot to do with this mess!!! Bin Laden has been dead look for the right people?????? Get a clue Its the Red White Blue

    September 9, 2010 at 9:17 pm | Reply
  337. Mary

    It's worth it. This is not Iraq, this was the war that Al Queda started and we responded to. It would have not taken 9 years if Mr Bush had not had a taste for Oil.
    The Afgan people are wonderful, hardworking and have tried for a years to build their country back from the Russian / American conflict for control. Sure the Russians invaded but the American counter intelligence was supply counter insurgency. Let's not forget it was the British who drew the boarders between Pakistan and Afghanistan right between the middle of these Pashtun tribes.
    I met my first Afghan in 1976 and I found this person to be positive and hopeful to move his country forward (the son of a doctor).
    This is not Iraq; a nation divided by Sunnis and Shiites, which by the way can still not form a government. I should say Pres. Karzai should be removed as the people do not trust him.

    September 9, 2010 at 9:19 pm | Reply
  338. akm ismail

    dear all

    Let us ask where is the ammunition coming from for the taliban how much does it cost how is it funded , with our technology we have all could find out where the funds are coming from. My guess is they come from drug money and to get the support of the one billion muslims if this is called war on drugs and not war on terror which was a moron's legacy which is still haunting us.

    September 9, 2010 at 9:20 pm | Reply
  339. Mike (USA)

    It was necessary. But we should not have created the situation in the first place. If we paid attention who we supported in the Soviet-Afghan War perhaps we could have averted some problems. Mujahadeen commanders like Akhmad Masud were good people to support, but the fact that Osama Bin Laden received U.S. assistance in the war is terrible. Also our CIA also encouraged armed Islamic militant groups to go up into the Soviet Union like in Tajikistan as up to 1990, to cause destabilization efforts against the Soviets.

    Also we financed the Taliban with millions of our dollars in aid to Pakistan, which the Pakistan intelligence ISI funneled to the Taliban, over the course of years from the early 90s, in their efforts to have a controlling influence over Afghanistan. We should always watch where our foreign assistance goes.

    September 9, 2010 at 9:29 pm | Reply
  340. Mary

    Dear Wounded Vet,

    I appreciate your sacrifice, intelligence and wisdom. I could never thank you enough for your work and sacrifice that you have given to the country that I was born in, but causes me such distress that it pains me to live there. I found the Iraq decision disastrous, a two front war always is. I found it greedy and self indulgent to that administration.

    September 9, 2010 at 9:35 pm | Reply
  341. Rich

    CNN won't air this , print it or show it... but I will say it anyway,
    Bin Laden is dead and has been for years. Bush did it but couldn't acknowledge it or he would not have gotten his second term.

    September 9, 2010 at 9:58 pm | Reply
  342. Anna

    Osama Bin Laden will never be caught because his family is good friends with the Bush family. FACT. Osama Bin Laden will never be caught because Dick Cheney outed Valerie Plame and we lost generations worth of intelligence. FACT. George Bush is an idiot who though calling for a new "Crusade" was magically going to make friends with the Muslim world and raise his standing with God. Bush only wanted to get into office so he could go to war with Saddam Hussein because he "threatened to kill my Daddy". FACT... Oil is behind all of this, and thats why I am putting solar panels on my house. FACT.

    September 9, 2010 at 10:01 pm | Reply
  343. saveey Lexr

    United States of American and coalition troops completed the operation.
    Now the main thing is need to give the disciplines and honesty in that country by doing organized work by international police.

    That job to be given to the German led coalition police force to put the things in order for that country and the citizens for a long run.

    September 9, 2010 at 10:01 pm | Reply
  344. ian collins

    No the war is not and never was worth it, and we will never catch Osama Bin Laden for the simple reason we don't really want to. From many accounts we have had the opportunity and have opted not to. If you kill the boogey-man, they won't have anything to scare us with anymore,

    September 9, 2010 at 10:10 pm | Reply
  345. warrior

    June 2010 MrJoe say -"now we have the adequate general". Where is he?Making guns and roses war.No win whit this form.The young US soldiers need lots of training and experience.

    September 9, 2010 at 10:11 pm | Reply
  346. OnTheRoad

    No, this war was only 'Worth' it to KBR and Dich Cheney!!!

    September 9, 2010 at 10:22 pm | Reply
  347. TruthTeller

    Not-Worth sending 1 -2 Trillions in these Wars with Bloodsheed

    As CIA Director Panetta said: 50-100 Al Qaeda Members are Left in Afghanistan. And we need 100,000 troops to fight 100 All Qaeda ?

    We need to save some Blood / Money. We need to bring our Troops home..

    September 9, 2010 at 10:45 pm | Reply
  348. LarryKegel (USA ARMY)

    Only time will tell whether We did any good over there!!! All We can do is train them to take care of Themselves... We can not force them to do What we want!!! Otherwise we be just as bad as the Tarriest...

    September 9, 2010 at 10:49 pm | Reply
  349. Mike

    I try not to get involved in things like this because everyone has their own opinions, but go back to 9/11 and how many people wanted to go to afghanistan? Id say most of the country without a doubt. Also you got to think about the problems in Pakistan and that is a nuculear country, where u have extremeists trying and taking over cities over there.. If there was another 9/11 or worste, would you guys say to goto war again, especially if u knew someone that was killed maybe your opinion might be a little bit diffrent.

    September 9, 2010 at 11:01 pm | Reply
  350. Adamkail

    The invasion of Afghanistan was wrong, ill advised and illegal. The Afghan people,the government of the time and no Afghans were involved in the tragedy of 9/11. But, that tragic day brought a demand for blood and Afghanistan was demonized and called a failed state and so it fit the target for war. Now 43% of the Americans feel it was wrong to have invaded Afghanistan. Today many crimes are being committed aginst the Afghan people. We just had one reported by CNN about 12 US soldiers committing crimes against the Afghan civilians in Kandahar. Then there was the massarce at Azizabad posted on YouTube and so on. If the war was for oil and mineral resources US corporations cannot count on the protection of the US military for ever. This war must end now. Before more lives are lost on both sides.

    September 9, 2010 at 11:11 pm | Reply
  351. Adamkail

    The invasion of Afghanistan was wrong, ill advised and illegal. The Afghan people,the government of the time and no Afghans were involved in the tragedy of 9/11. But, that tragic day brought a demand for blood and Afghanistan was demonized and called a failed state and so it fit the target for war. Now 43% of the Americans feel it was wrong to have invaded Afghanistan. Today many crimes are being committed aginst the Afghan people. We just had one reported by CNN about 12 US soldiers committing crimes against the Afghan civilians in Kandahar. Then there was the masscare at Azizabad posted on YouTube and so on. If the war was for oil and mineral resources US corporations cannot count on the protection of the US military for ever. This war must end now. Before more lives are lost on both sides.

    September 9, 2010 at 11:16 pm | Reply
  352. Pat Cassin

    So Damn Insane was a bad person; in an oil rich country. I guess there are other ways to 86 a bad guy rather than invade.

    Oil prices sky rocketed, every scrap of old ordnance in the US has been used and replaced at a hell of a cost in dollars and more in the youth of our country.

    Selling the lives and mental health of so many of our youth and lining the pockets of those selling arms and oil, just might be considered the work of traitors when we look back in a few years.

    To Been-a-Bad-Boy? If Little Joe killed the bad-guy in the first 15 minutes of BONANZA; the show would be over and no more Chevy commercials.

    September 9, 2010 at 11:55 pm | Reply
  353. Gary janezic

    a war in Iraq or Afghanistan was never worth it. We played Iraq & Iran off against each other for many years, then invaded the country we supported in that 8 year war. These people should be allowed to run their own neighborhood. We have sold them enough weapons that they should be able to handle any threat. If they cannot, so be it! Let these people alone! No other country in the Middle East has military forces in the region, we are the only ones who have been policing the area. When Bush said that Iran, Iraq & North Korea were an `axis of evil', what did that accomplish? A nuclear North and possibly nuclear Iran. Where is the gain?

    By the way, OBL has been dead for quite some time.

    September 10, 2010 at 12:03 am | Reply
  354. Wendy

    Worth it? That is a ridiculous question. Somewhere in the United States there are two tiny little boys growing up without their father. One born after his father's death. The other who will miss him every day forever. That, alone, makes the whole stupid thing, not worth it. How many other tragedies could one possibly need to be convinced of the fact? We have accomplished nothing. We will accomplish nothing. We will keep dying and killing. We will let them lie to us. We will pretend it's not happening. For how long?

    September 10, 2010 at 12:49 am | Reply
  355. lori

    No it wasnt worth it. We just spent so much money and lives and still no bin laden.. He is probably amoungst us here in United Stated with a totally different look!! Our Government I think is trying to spemd up all our money and put us further in debt so we will be weak. I think our government is being run by "The Bad People" may even be linked to BinLaden! Look how everything is changing from taking prayer out of school to changing religious views. We are US and all these foreigners seem to keep having more rights??? Maybe to get their votes for next year...hmmm!

    September 10, 2010 at 2:48 am | Reply
  356. IsWarWorthIt


    September 10, 2010 at 3:23 am | Reply
  357. bankrupt america

    no the war is not worth it. afghanistan will never give up. They will fight til the end. their future is simple, kill americans until they leave our country. the war will never be won because every person they kill is another family member to fill those shoes. Face it we lost and they are just bankrupting the usa

    September 10, 2010 at 3:50 am | Reply
  358. Guruh (Indonesia)

    I believe it's very much worth it. Without lessening our respect towards the fallen soldiers, I believe that 2000 casualties in a 9-years war is a very small number. The allied forces lost over 3000 LIVES in A SINGLE DAY at NORMANDY. And the case back then is pretty much the same, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor just like the Islamists attacked Manhattan – which by the way killed over 2800 PEOPLE, still way more than the NATO casualties. Even in unjust war like Vietnam, US endured tens of thousands of casualties. To defend democracy and freedom against Islamic fundamentalists who wanted sharia law all over the world – I think it's worth it.

    The problem with Afghanistan is not about casus belli/the reason why US went there (unlike Iraq), nor about whether or not Afghanistan could be fixed. Back at 2001/2002, with all the momentum and the optimism, I believe that Afghanistan can be fixed back then. The problem began when Bush neglected it for Iraq.

    So, does the war worth it IN THE FIRST PLACE? Of course it is. Does the war worth fighting for until now? that's a different question, I guess we have to wait until this winter to know whether the COIN strategy works or not.

    September 10, 2010 at 5:03 am | Reply
  359. kermit

    Yes it was worth it. What else should the USA have done after 9/11?
    Waiting for the next terrorist attack?

    September 10, 2010 at 8:19 am | Reply
  360. Zolar Drew

    The war is definitely not worth it. The US, Britain, Spain, Germany, France and Russia combined only suffered a few hundred million dollars and around 4,000 deaths from Al-Qaeda attacks. However, the US and NATO war efforts in both Iraq and Afghanistan has caused more than a hundred thousand lives and more than $1,000B in cost that is now part of the Western countrries foreign debt and deficits. When will people realize that war is not the best option to settle issues? Money spent for these wars could have been better spent developing clean renewable energy and clean potable water for developing countries.

    September 10, 2010 at 8:43 am | Reply
  361. Lowell

    On the day G. W. said "we are going to find Bin Laden" I said he won't and he never will. That was 9 years ago. So where is he George?

    September 10, 2010 at 8:43 am | Reply
  362. Jurgen Brul

    Hello CNN friends,

    To much Blood Spill and Tax money Spill is not good!
    Let Us Now connect the world,
    so that we all will be One under GOD,
    Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for All!

    Jurgen R.Brul

    September 10, 2010 at 10:04 am | Reply
  363. Bob Erisman

    Bin Laden? We should just start claiming he is dead over and over again and maybe he will come forward to show he is alive. Personally, I think he is dead and has been for years.

    September 10, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Reply
  364. scumdog1967

    The reason we have not caught Bin laden is because he is on the
    CIA payroll. We do not want to find him. Think about this we found
    sudam hussin in the middle of the dessert in a hole.

    September 10, 2010 at 2:34 pm | Reply
  365. Stephen

    I think that if this question was asked 9 years ago, we'll have a forum anonymously saying "it's worth it". Even a lot of Muslims in Middle East, Central Asia, Indonesia, Malaysia maybe would support the invasion. This proves that the invasion was totally worth it in the first place. Maybe all of the people who turn skeptics today forgot already how it's like at that time.

    September 10, 2010 at 3:04 pm | Reply
  366. Max

    We are fighting wars in the wrong countries. Pakistan is where Bin Laden is, also most terrorists captured so far have been trained in training camps run by the ISI (Pak Intelligence agency) located inside Pakistan. Why is the world shy of calling out Pakistan and putting an end to global terrorism which is costing the world billions of dollars and thousands of lost lives ? Instead we end up giving billions in aid to Pakistan which in some form or the other ends up in training and supporting terrorism.

    September 10, 2010 at 4:08 pm | Reply
  367. russ gibbs

    Why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia while we were at because 15 out of the 19 9/11 dudes were Saudi's!!!!!!
    We like their OIL and GW was out for revenge for Sadam saying he wanted to assasinate his daddy and for Sadam turning on his buddies Rumsfeld, Cheney and the rest of the War mongers!!!!

    September 10, 2010 at 4:53 pm | Reply
  368. abdulfatah

    i think all human has a sence of justification. was the war against iraq justified after u.s. found no nuclear weapon in that country? was the war in afghanistan also worth it when the u.s. refused to present a prove that make bin laden the first suspect of the 9-11 terror to the afghan govt. on request? was al-qaeda foundation known for terrorism before 9-11? u.s. always make mistakes and then apologize after harm. the u.s. had bombed egypt before realizing that that country was innocent and that she acted on wrong information. the afghan govt agreed to handover osama if the u.s. provide a prove but intead u.s. start calling on the world. the americans should not blindly immerse themselves in american-patriotism. HOW CAN A WAR WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION EVER BE WORTH IT?

    September 10, 2010 at 5:12 pm | Reply
  369. Davis

    The war is worth it if you look at the western world stealing their resources.This is wrong but it is the way the white man acts and has always acted. It is not worth it in order to change their thinking to ours, nor to make cannon fodder out of our troops. If our government cannot deal with the tribes inside its borders how in the hell do they expect to deal with tribes overseas. Leave them be and let them lead their lives, their way. I know. They can think what they want and live as they choose as long as it is what we want them to do. BULLSHIT!!

    September 10, 2010 at 5:43 pm | Reply
  370. linda smith

    God bless all our troops and their families who have ever been involved in any war or "conflict" i believe the intelligent government calls it. Unfortunately, in my humble opinion, going into Afghanistan was Bush's way of invading Iraq. I don't think he ever wanted BinLadin. After all, six months or so after we went to Afghan, he (Bush) is on tv answering questions and i recall him saying to a reporter re: binladin – "who – who's that". It's probably on you tube unless all the Republicans pulled it off.

    September 10, 2010 at 9:23 pm | Reply
  371. CW

    What have we gained from this war nothing. What have we lost almost everything. National deficit is through the roof because of a war hunting ghosts. We have lost so many young lives for nothing. Another useless war that cannot be won. You cannot win a war when the people you are trying help are the ones supporting your enemy. Instead of sending all that money to Afghanistan we could have protected our borders helped people in OUR country that need help badly. Dramatically improve National Security which is now a joke because of the border issues. We have ruined our economy to hunt a man that has always been a ghost. Best offense is a good defense and we have no defenses at this moment and time just useless talk and bs.

    September 10, 2010 at 10:05 pm | Reply
  372. Oladipo Akinyemi Omole

    Of course the war in Afghanistan is worth it considering the fact that the country was home to al Qaeda and the Taliban.It was necessary to dislodge these agents of terror after their devastating 9/11 attack on the United States.Besides Afghanistan has no real economy so to speak as the country only depends on revenue from opium and other narcotics which wreaks havoc on different countries in the world.
    Also, the young and other defenseless groups in Afghanistan is another rationale for the war effort in Afghanistan.These Afghans need to be liberated and given a new lease of life.
    Inevitably, the pursuit of these goals by American and NATO forces has come with considerable costs in terms of the loss of young and promising US and NATO soldiers.We can only salute the valiance of these young men and women and avoid condemning the effort,because these same young chaps believed in the causes identified above hence their decision to serve.To those who have fallen while doing so, I join the rest of the world to say well done and rest in peace.

    September 10, 2010 at 10:33 pm | Reply
  373. Oladipo Akinyemi Omole

    Ok. Thanks

    September 10, 2010 at 10:39 pm | Reply
  374. nononsense

    well.. after 9 years if there is no significant changes and/or improvements and the civilians there are unhappy with the US presence, then my vote is that this was certainly a waste of time, money, and effort. leave it alone, let them do what they want to do.. laden doesnt even exist thats why no one has ever caught him.. leave it be...

    September 11, 2010 at 2:02 am | Reply
  375. Effendi Yusuf

    The Afghanistan War is worth it then, it’s still worth it now, consider the following facts:

    *The cost of War in Afghanistan from the beginning of the invasion up to now is also about $300 BILLION.

    In comparison with

    *The DIRECT LOSS of 9/11 attack is $ 300 BILLION. US stocks lost a today-equivalent of $1.72 TRILLION within a couple of days. Additionally, there are a wide range of intangible indirect costs such as: illness suffered by 9/11 responders, rising road accidents as people fear to travel by plane, the additional time spent in airport checking, etc

    *The Afghanistan War fatality casualties is 1279 for US and a total of 2071 for the whole Coalition troops. (http://icasualties.org/oef/)

    In comparison with

    *The direct casualties of 9/11 is 2800 lives. The indirect casualties may reach 900, mostly 9/11 responders who suffer illnesses due to the exposure at Ground Zero.
    Also consider this, at the early 1980s (during peacetime), the yearly fatalities of US military is 2100!!!, mostly due to accidents in training/battle drills. It means that for a country like US that has sophisticated means for treating wounded soldiers BATTLE DRILLS IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN ACTUAL WAR. (Steven D. Levitt& Stephen J. Dubner. SUPERFREAKONOMICS. 2009. William Morrow. Chapter 2 Why Suicide Bombers Should Buy Life Insurance. Page 100)

    September 11, 2010 at 5:42 am | Reply
  376. wasted time

    we had at one time come close to wining in Afghanistan in 2002 we had the caves they were hiding in almost ready to be wiped out .
    why did Brush change focus? why did we need two wars going? one was a lie we no for sure ,is this one too? now they report Afghanistan has the riches menials deposits in the world worth more then a trillion plus dollars!
    now you no why we are really there, we will never hunt down Bin we don't need him he is only worth a million at most

    September 11, 2010 at 7:43 am | Reply
  377. tears are falling today

    Is it worth killing 100,000 for the 3,000 lives we lost 9-11-01?
    Hell no! guess what they won already
    we are frighting for pride now and thats not working either our armed forces can't win a war!
    takes great minds to go to war and win have you seen any lately?

    September 11, 2010 at 8:05 am | Reply
  378. minx

    No the war was not worth and still is not worth it. To many inocent people have been kill during this war, and lots of children are now fatherless and a lot of familes are broken hearted.
    Bring all the troops home and let the afgans sort there own problems out themselves,

    September 11, 2010 at 9:57 am | Reply
  379. unfortunatebeliever

    Well its bin 9 years since 9-11 and frankly I put it to rest....the reason I believe the US can not find Bin Laden b cuz hes in BC Canada.......Hes Bin Loggin LOL

    September 11, 2010 at 4:02 pm | Reply
  380. Gene Macdonald

    When are you people going to start dealing with TRUTH????
    Bin Laden died in Dialisis in 2001 as a result of Diabetes......

    Stop cartering to (the failing) Illumanatti.....

    I don't know how vyou sleep at night knowing that most of what you report are LIES????

    September 11, 2010 at 11:56 pm | Reply
  381. Polly

    NO, this war was not worth it. We have absolutely nothing to show for 9 years except dead young men and women, families separated, and a terrorist still on the loose. At first I support the war, until I realized that all along the White House knew that Bin Laden was likely in Afganastan, but we were lied to about Iraq, and thus lives lost and billions spent in a gigantic ruse. To add to my sense of betraya by our Presidentl, my son served in Iraq 3 times, and before time #3, he had completely changed his opinion of the value of being there.

    Thankfully, however, this country has learned a lot from Vietnam and does not blame or ignore our service people anymore. Terrorists are going to exist regardless of whether we "get" Bin Laden or not – I personally don't think we ever will. As long as there are such deep cultural differences and people who exist in countries where these crazies take over, there will be desparate people who will follow any leader who comes along. I say enuf already!

    September 12, 2010 at 3:44 am | Reply
  382. B.

    Yes it was worth it, it is immoral for the strong not to protect the innocent, just ousting Taliban was worth invading Afghanistan, next should be the dictatorships starting with N Korea...

    B. Turkmenistan

    September 12, 2010 at 3:04 pm | Reply
  383. Reinaldo Costa

    It´s obvious! If CNN poll says 62% Americans are against the war, it is not worth it! The war is just good for weapon manufacturers like USA that was the only one profiteer to World second war.

    September 12, 2010 at 3:26 pm | Reply
  384. Reinaldo Costa

    It´s obvious! If 62 percent Americans are against the war, according to CNN poll, so it is not worth it! The war is just good for those countries that are big weapon manufacturers like USA and that are eye on Middle East oil! Therefore, no war and peace in the world!

    Reinaldo, state of Rio de Janeiro, Brasil.
    PS.: Becky, send a kiss. I love you!

    September 12, 2010 at 3:49 pm | Reply
  385. Ron, Houston, TX

    JR Kemble and several others have the correct answer. Bonehead Bush and his AXIS of STUPIDITY (Rummy and Cheney) were so focused on retribution against Saddam they lose focus on the real people who attacked the US on 9-11. We spent nearly $1 trillion in Iraq to what end: a still disfunctional sectarian country that will as reliable a friend as an alligator for a neighbor. Dubya claimed Iraq had nukes while the other two members of his Axis of Evil remain the real threats, and, guess what, are stronger than ever. The war in Afghanistan should have ended by now but we still need to take out bin Laden and al Quaeda. Look at Dubya's bio and point out anything at which he succeeded other than being kid son of a rich guy, ie, Texas Rangers BB team.

    September 12, 2010 at 4:35 pm | Reply
  386. bob dig

    wow some time we ask some qustion that me my self really don't understand.and this is one of them.why we even ask this qustion if the war worth it.did we ask for war did i really don't think so and you all must look at where we at today 1000s of mile away fighting and we are here asking some dum qustion,do we really remember what happen 9/11 do we really remember it all.i was home watching tv and trust me whan the news come on i said to my self wow this look like it going to be a good movie not know what is happening to my homeland,so my answer is we will not left and to when they are willing to say lets end this,one more thing i must say thanks to mr obama for taking us the right way,

    September 12, 2010 at 9:41 pm | Reply
  387. Vvs1Blue

    Nine years ago, directed by a Saudi Arabian, the acts of a few Muslim extremists were nothing short of an atrocity committed against innocents. When you count the effects of this insidious act that led to our wars with Iraq and Afghanistan it has caused the death of over a hundred thousand people.
    The biggest disappointment lies in the fact that nine years later we find ourselves in the dark fighting a politicized war against an enemy that has for all intent and purposes bought together century old elements of guerrilla warfare to fight down the greatest Army ever assembled.
    Diplomatic Failure
    For whatever excuse, we have failed diplomatically at trying to find an alternative and peaceful solution to these wars. We compounded our mistake when we allowed ourselves to be led into a war against Iraq looking for non-existent WMDs, then allowed and accepted our government's attempt and outright dismissal of a connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda. This failed accusation opened the door for Al-Qaeda to point out that the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was a declaration of war against Islam.
    This war will escalate as our withdraw from Iraq, a move that should have occurred years ago, will be now seen as the act of a defeated nation. Tell yourselves whatever you want. Militarily this is what's happened. We have never conceded to the fact that withdrawing before finishing off Hassan during the Gulf War was a blunder driven by an ulterior political agenda.
    Today we are facing a no win situation with the NYC Mosque. Allowing it to be build will be construed as an Islamic victory in the eyes of the extremists. To disallow it being build is to discard a number or the basic principles (freedom of religion being the most obvious) that are the foundation of this country.
    Military Failure
    Nine years later, despite all our technical abilities we are as close to getting Bin Laden as we were nine years ago.
    We have failed militarily because we have never really come up with an effective and consistent military tactic to combat the so called "insurgents". We may beat our chest and point out to the "Surge" which for some reason political strategist try to pull off as the idea originating from their political ranks. "The Surge" was a tactic of brute force which may be interpreted as "The Last Gasp" much like the "Tet Offensive" in Viet-Nam.
    Did we learn anything?
    According to the manifesto of Obama Bin Laden the reason for the 911 atrocity was to take the war to the American heartland. He has accused Americans of interfering in Muslim issues-Support of Isreal, our role in Bosnia and our involvement and presence in Iraq/Kuwait after Desert Storm. His continual rantings were used as a rallying cry by many politicians to gain popular political support that led to our eventual justification for going to war with Iraq and Afganistan.
    The resulting issues of 911 may take decades to correct and our politically driven "shoot from the hip" policies have only driven us deeper into failure and division of our country. It has affected us in all sorts of ways from our view of immigration policies, social prejudices to military logistics.
    For the most part the conventional Muslim countries have done little to take a stance against Islamic extremists. Islamic extremism has gone on for centuries as a result of cultural ignorance. It will take perhaps decades of support of modern educational beliefs to change this and concessions will have to be offered in order to bring these groups to the bargaining table. Perhaps a system like "Radio Free Europe" should be put in place to inform the every day Muslim our position.
    We cannot win a conventional war against this force. Doing so has made us "occupiers" and the enemy merely having to hold their positions until we exhaust our resources to claim a victory. It happened in Viet-Nam, it happened to the Russians in Afghanistan (we sure didn't learn from their mistake) and it's happened to us in Iraq.
    We have to rely on Cold War tactics mixed with modern military power. Look at our past victories. We have scouted for information, analyzed it and acted in precise surgical strikes, usually by drones. We have armed and trained our own insurgency forces (Afghanistan vs. Russia) and missed the opportunity by not doing so in Iran this past year.
    As far as "body count" we have succeeded in getting more than even. But the object is to never let it happen again. We must never allow our enemies to think that we have forgotten.

    September 12, 2010 at 10:52 pm | Reply
  388. gh. m

    usama is dead.

    September 12, 2010 at 11:38 pm | Reply
  389. Don Bacon

    Plan O for Out
    by Don Bacon

    The recently published "A New Way Forward" includes a complicated and time-consuming process involving the Afghan parliament, District councils, a national council and broadening the composition of the Afghan Army. The plan de-emphasizes Karzai's conceived "peace jirga" in favor of an effort by tribal and village leaders. These are all efforts devised by Americans to be accomplished by Afghans at the local level, an approach which unacceptably undermines the Afghanistan central government.

    A new Afghanistan policy is certainly needed. The current NATO effort in Afghanistan, primarily military, has failed after nine years of effort and a tripling of foreign military and civilian personnel. Unarmed government employees can no longer travel safely in 30 percent of the country’s 368 districts, according to published United Nations estimates, and there are districts deemed too dangerous to visit in all but one of the country’s 34 provinces. US leaders agree that there will be no military solution in Afghanistan.

    Anatol Lieven: "Thus the desire to bring democracy, freedom, “good governance” and an improvement in the status of women to Afghanistan were laudable goals in themselves, but the result has been a ghastly masquerade, involving descriptions of the present Afghan government and political system not one of which corresponds to reality. Meanwhile the equally laudable desire to bring development to Afghanistan has ensnared us in calculations of “progress” which are virtually Soviet in their misrepresentation of the facts and the experience of ordinary Afghans."

    The current US political strategy is ‘reconciliation and reintegration’ of the Taliban. Decoded, this amounts to little more than amnesty and surrender. It hasn't been effective. A recent $250 million program to lure low-level Taliban fighters away from the insurgency has stalled, with Afghans bickering over who should run it, and international donors slow to put up the money they had promised. The flow of Taliban fighters seeking to reintegrate has slowed to a trickle — by the most optimistic estimates, a few hundred in the last six months.

    What is needed instead is a new US policy of genuine accommodation with the Taliban to include understanding and addressing their positions and grievances with the goal of forming a power-sharing Afghan government. Recent reports suggest that most Afghans, tired of the all-pervasive insecurity, want negotiations with the Taliban.

    Other factions would also have to be accommodated. Afghanistan's three largest ethnic minorities oppose Karzai's outreach to the Taliban, which they said could pave the way for the fundamentalist group's return to power and reignite the civil war.

    There are signs that because of a lack of progress such a policy is currently under consideration in Washington. The Guardian has reported that "feelers had been put out to the Taliban. Negotiations would be conducted largely in secret, through a web of contacts, possibly involving Pakistan and Saudi Arabia or organisations with back-channel links to the Taliban."

    British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, possibly the next British Prime Minister, has urged the Afghanistan government to consider bringing Taliban supporters into its political system. “Afghanistan will never achieve a sustainable peace unless many more Afghans are inside the political system, and the neighbors [nearby countries] are onside with the political settlement,” said Miliband,

    President Karzai has not needed urging to talk to the Taliban. Karzai hosted a June peace conference where he called insurgents "brothers" and "dear Talibs," He asked the United Nations to remove Taliban leaders from the international sanctions black list and ordering the freeing of Taliban suspects from government custody. Richard Holbrooke, the U.S. envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, told reporters in Washington on July 14 that the Obama administration has agreed only to delist Taliban and al-Qaeda on “case-by-case basis.”

    A recent report indicates that the US has already initiated talks with the Taliban. According to the Asia Times report, the Pakistan military and Saudi Arabia are acting as go-betweens to facilitate the negotiation process. The initial talks have covered two main areas – the issue of about 60 Pakistanis in the US's Guantanamo detention facility, and al-Qaeda. Another element touched on in the talks is the American demand that it maintain a military presence in northern Afghanistan, while agreeing to give control of the south to the Taliban. The Taliban do not agree with this – they want a complete US withdrawal. This remains a point of major disagreement.

    The problem is that in the most recent Jirga, President Karzai informed the delegates at the outset; “There is no mention of a key Taliban demand that NATO troops leave Afghanistan,” when in fact that was one of the Taliban’s key demands. NATO is currently conducting a military offensive against the Taliban in Kandahar province.

    The NATO military presence must be removed for there to be any chance of peace in Afghanistan. The Taliban leadership’s one non-negotiable demand is the complete withdrawal of Western forces. They say that this must take place before they will negotiate any settlement with the government in Kabul, but there might be some room for compromise.

    The oft-repeated objection to any Taliban control in Afghanistan is that the Taliban would establish "safe havens" for al Qaeda. Paul Pillar, deputy CIA chief of the counterterrorist center under President Clinton: "The US and other Western governments say we are in Afghanistan in order to deny terror groups like Al Qaeda a safe haven from which to plan new attacks. But that is no longer a valid assumption. Terrorists don't need a sanctuary to plan attacks from. We are investing enormously in an operation that is based on a flawed assumption. The reality is that the terror threat to the West would not significantly increase if we were to leave Afghanistan."

    Would any concessions to the Taliban result in the Taliban taking total control of Afghanistan? Pillar again: "This is another assumption that is rarely questioned. But prior to the U.S. intervention in 2001, the Taliban did not have uncontested control of Afghanistan. They had the upper hand in a civil war against the Northern Alliance; they had the backing of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia while the Northern Alliance had the backing of Iran, Russia, and India. The U.S. essentially threw its weight behind the Northern Alliance to drive out the Taliban."

    While the Taliban is integrated somehow into the Afghan government, which is a matter for the Afghans to decide, there needs to be support for the Afghan effort in the form of a regional effort toward diplomacy and peace. President Obama needs to implement his promise of a new strategy on March 27, 2009: ". . .together with the United Nations, we will forge a new Contact Group for Afghanistan and Pakistan that brings together all who should have a stake in the security of the region - our NATO allies and other partners, but also the Central Asian states, the Gulf nations and Iran; Russia, India and China."

    The main issues concern Pakistan and India, including the dispute over Kashmir and Pakistan's concern about a growing influence of India in Afghanistan, which should be limited. Pakistan should be included in a regional forum of ‘Friends of Afghanistan’ made up of Iran, Pakistan, India, China, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Russia: these countries would be asked to make pledges of non-interference and recognise Afghanistan as a non-aligned state with no foreign bases.

    Miliband again: "The political settlement needs to be external as well as internal, involving all of Afghanistan's neighbours as well as those parts of the insurgency willing permanently to sever ties with al-Qaeda, give up their armed struggle and live within the Afghan constitutional framework."

    Perhaps the US can succeed at reconciliation in Afghanistan although it has failed in Iraq. That was the main purpose of the surge, remember, but it didn't happen. Now we've had another surge in Afghanistan but this time with a president (Karzai) who is actually in favor of reconciliation. We need to make it work. The alternative is more hundreds of billions of dollars and many lives wasted. Who wants to be the last to die for a lack of trying to end this nine-year war? President Obama has promised another reappraisal of Afghanistan war policy in December - it's time.

    General Petraeus, Aug 25, 2010: "We sat down across the table in Iraq from individuals who had our blood on their hands. That's what was done in northern Ireland. It's what's done in just about any insurgency as you get to the end stages of it."

    The US needs to help negotiate a return of Afghanistan back to the Afghans.

    September 13, 2010 at 12:37 am | Reply
  390. free2comment

    No. see why at 'the real issue...zzz' apageinthelife blogspot com

    September 13, 2010 at 6:26 am | Reply
  391. ScottR

    Why haven't we found Bin Laden yet? Just ask Obama....it's the same answer to EVERYTHING that's wrong or bad in the world....it's BUSH's fault, of course!

    September 13, 2010 at 12:50 pm | Reply
  392. Juan Patricio

    It will have been worth it, if the "newly discovered" great mineral wealth of Afghanistan is kept out of the hands of terrorists.

    You do not really think that the western intelligence agencies did not know, long before the war, from Sattelite photos and other intelligence that great wealth in metal ores and rare earths abound in the Afghan mountains?

    This year it was casually reported in press articles. Search through TIME for the articles.

    September 13, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  393. Maiky

    Of course it was not worth it, 9 years + thousands of dead US troops (plus all who died on 9/11) and civilians. The US should have evacuated the innocent residents and nuked the dam country. There will be a future 9/11 due to "pulling out" and "losing the war". It's a big fat FAIL in my book. Hopefully the next President will have a REAL set of nuts.

    September 13, 2010 at 9:54 pm | Reply
  394. Marc Caron

    It's about 5000km long (afghan border lenght) Put 4 soldiers every 2km along the border well equip with air support, let no one in or out with out screening. Then poor 1 million soldiers in the country advancing strategically tighning the noose while advancing, you kill the regional so call boss who enslave people for centuries in the opium fields kill their sons too (pass a message) kill men with guns who look like taliban, kill suspects, destroy opium fields, destroy all guns you find, mountains, plains, cities, search everywhere, you'll find a lot of money (drug money) arms too and after a year they will thank you for freeing them.

    September 14, 2010 at 12:34 pm | Reply
  395. Jimmy

    You people look at it from a narrow perspective from no military,political or tactical standpoint whatsoever. Do you really think our main objective is to defeat terrorism? How the hell can that even be accomplished? We are there for the long term in order to sustain a western-friendly and a somewhat functional form of government and national organization for two reasons. Land and resources. Do you think the American gov't is not aware of the vast amount of potential energy untapped in that country? What two things are always gained in a war? Casualties and land. The big trade-off. From a military perspective troops are expendible. Land is not. Natural resources are not. Most of you bafoons have really no backing of an argument to form an opinion that is at least plausible. You just go with the crowd. Thank god leadership is not in your hands. You are the weak and the forgotten. A real American, the true Americans from a time ago would stand up with every breath to protest against there government's misdeeds. You blog about it and go on with your pathetic lives and thats why the course will go on. We are one of the youngest countries on the planet but yet we are the most dominate and powerful. So obvisouly we are doing something right. And for all you people who say we are loosing, do you honestly think we have used the 100% potential of the U.S. military in this war. I don't think so. There's no need to. We're fighting this war with white gloves on. Trust me. That's why we just do a little surge at a time. Just enough to keep the balance of power just barley in our hands. The plan is to be there for a long time. Just look at where some of our other bases are at. Germany, Korea, Japan, Italy. All former enemies. Iraq and Afghanistan are just milestones. You guys really need to see the big picture.

    September 15, 2010 at 12:43 pm | Reply
  396. Jim

    I believe the Isralis have the correct idea. If anyone harms one or more of their citizens they go and get them (dead preferably). We probably should have dropped a few dozen bombs on any site they congregated on. Including any funerals where they went to celebrate their martyrs. It would be more appropriate that wasting our troops. That is what we should do to Iran's Revolutionary Guard that is supplying weapons to insurgents in Iraq , as welll.

    September 28, 2010 at 2:16 pm | Reply
  397. Chris Demaun

    If we don't beat the Taliban sooner or later, they're going to take back Afghanistan and spread fear through the population and oppression through all of the women. We've got to defeat them!

    September 29, 2010 at 12:33 am | Reply
  398. william mitchell

    I went to Viet Nam as a Marine in Jan. '68 and came back in Mar. '69. I missed my son's first two birthdays. MLK was assasinated and RFK was assasinated also in the first six mos. I do not understand why CNN is talking about Sport Killing in this war. Why? Are the writers of CNN Veterans in war? Do they have some Experience? Do they understand what PTSD is ? It sounds to me like the network is supporting the movement to get out of Afghanistan and Pakistan and doesn't care how we do it. When young people go to war to support their Country, they have no reservations in combat. All we have is a love of Country, Military, Family, Honor,Loyalty, Respect, and Committment .

    September 30, 2010 at 9:59 pm | Reply
  399. Allen Wollscheidt

    NO and NO.

    However, the world of Islam needs to reflect upon the possibility that one day the forces of restraint in the world may lose out to others.

    A really egregious, successful attack could do it.

    October 1, 2010 at 5:24 pm | Reply
  400. Gohar

    corruption is not only in Afghanistan ;pakistan is worse
    Pakistan and Aghanistan need volunteers; west bring up generals and others who embezel world bank loans;under every big stone is hidden a big thug who wants to sucs the blood of the poor citizens ' west produce phelantherpist for own ;and produce and help thugs and lords for these poor people who have not yet smelled the smell of freedom; the thugs give you interviews why dont ask them volunteerism is common in all religions ; if I be CNN I will say to them you succed alot of blood of your people 'now show some volunteerism. this is enough for the day I hope you asert for poor of afghanistan and pakistan;

    October 3, 2010 at 1:13 am | Reply
  401. Jack hamer

    Our poor simple soldiers have been made to believe we are in Afghanistan to protect our country. They do not know Talibans hate anyone occupying their country as much as we will hate anyone who ocupies USA.
    We are fighting to let the war material making companies earn profits and our politicians getting kickbacks from them. We Americans are dumb in general and do not wake the politicians up because we are too busy attending car races, games watching, beaches, drinking and visiting night clubs. We poor people do not have time to think for few minutes what is happening.

    October 7, 2010 at 3:04 pm | Reply
  402. Jeff MacKenzie

    Much conjecture has been made of the situation in Afghanistan—it's an ungovernable, fragmented country, an unwinnable war with no concept of a decisive victory, a graveyard of empires set to add another tombstone to its collection. A very expensive tombstone at that. This year's tab alone is estimated at over $50 billion.
    The solutions to this conundrum thus far proposed: ride Kharzai's coattails to a perceptual victory and then get out, train Afghans to police their own country with a united police and army, or simply search and destroy until all the Taliban are gone,–all are based on false premises.
    Afghanistan is not a country. It is, like Iraq a loose confederation of tribal cultures whose suspicion and lack of cooperation among themselves is exceeded only by their distrust of invading foreign entities. Add to this a savage combativeness:a friend once worked in pre-Soviet Afghanistan as a Peace Corps medic whose chief duty was to repair bullet wounds to the buttocks of the endlessly quarreling locals who, enjoined by Islam from killing, resorted to such gunplay knowing the victim would likely die of infection, for which they could not accept blame. When asked, upon the Soviets invading, if they stood a chance of prevailing he said no. He was referring to the Soviets.They have
    a willingness to die seeking revenge for any perceived insult to their tribe or religion, and by invading one has initiated an open-ended, expensive, endless conflict with an enemy united only in its hatred of outside meddling.
    But meddle we must. The collapse of the Twin Towers set us on a collision course with destiny in this forbidding place, and the investment in lives and treasure seems a bit much to simply cut our losses and bug out without first trying a few simple strategems that may well produce the desired result. By this I mean a reasonably united political structure with its citizens engaged in a cooperative effort at building their nation. “Nation building.” There, I've said it. And like it or not, it's what we should be doing there if we ever hope to make this longest war in our history redeemable.
    For this there are several fairly compelling reasons: the previous regime nourished terrorism and exported the product, Afghanistan lies in a stratgic position hard by Iran, the oil rich republics of what was once the USSR, and Pakistan—our erstwhile ally possessing the only current Islamic bomb and fundamentalist factions within its military and intelligence organs. It's sitting on a motherlode of mineral wealth—some of it the strategic, rare earth kind, and (to my thinking) most of all, the ongoing threat and plight of half its population—its women.
    The women of Afghanistan have historically been little more than chattel, and their status sunk to new lows under the woman-fearing Taliban. Women were not allowed out of their homes even to shop for groceries without a male escort, and were required to cover themselves head to toe lest a passing imam see any portion of their flesh and succumb to a frenzy of lust for which she—not he—would be held accountable. The mullahs exerted more effort policing women(read: keeping them in their place) than in otherwise conducting the duties of government. As to women acquiring educations and/or holding down jobs and positions of power? Fuggetabboudit.
    Something about the condition of women in Afghanistan is redolent of the condition of blacks in the pre-civil rights American South. Movement was constricted, dress and comportment were specified and horrendous penalties exacted for any deviation from this norm. As bad as that was, even the Old South pales beside the penalties—stoning, beheading—exacted on errant women under the Taliban. Do we really want this system to return? What is “fighting for freedom” all about if not this?
    One wonders at the relative silence of western feminists on this issue. It would seem that, in proper outrage, women would be demonstrating before the embassies of all fundamentalist Islamic countries, and in front of the fundamentalist mosques in their own countries in massive, noisy rallies, proclaiming solidarity with their oppressed sisters and roundly booing any of their representatives in public forums.
    Nonetheless, achieving our aims in Afghanistan is a daunting task, and clarity must be the watchword if we are to carry the day. Options must be thoroughly examined and even gamed out to deduce results. Goals and the means of achieving them should be proclaimed with as little dissembling as possible.
    It is at this point that I would like to propose a course that I believe has both merit and the promise of eventually succeeding:
    Our stated goal should be to build Afghanistan as a viable, peaceful and prosperous nation with all the freedoms and responsibilities that Americans enjoy—although not necessarily in the same way. Women should be free, the population literate and invested in legal means to settle disputes,and engaged in building an infrastructure to eventually usher it into the first world.
    Freedom of religion must be absolutely respected, with Buddhists, Christians, Jews and others under the vigilant protection of authorities.
    There are no doubt Afgans who share this vision—probably academics and others who have been to the West. These should be sought out and nourished like hothouse flowers to establish an intellectual base for nationbuilding. They should not, however be given initial positions of power. Afganistan is not ready for them.
    The borders of the country contain multiple power centers, i.e., the warlord territories. The current dominant personalities,General Rashid Dostum,Mohammed Quasim Fahim, Hamid Kharzai, Daoud Khan, Atta Muhammad, Karim Khalili, Gul Agha Shirzai,Ismail Khan,and major tribal entities, the Hazara, Pashtuns, Tajiks and Uzbeks form a nucleus with which to constuct a federation of ethnic states or 'ethnofederation' as the concept is popularly expressed.
    Each of these entities has their own agenda—some sell opium, some exact tribute from wayfarers through their terrain, some are weapons brokers, others are clients of Iranian and Pakistani interests. The point is, none of them is or will be star struck by democracy. However, their status holds the keys to power in Afganistan, and if democracy is ever to prevail, they must participate, however unwillingly.
    This begs the question: what is common ground in Afganistan? Weapons? Opium? Islam? General treachery aggravated by blood feuds? The motivating factor in each group varies.
    But one common element ties them together. And that is Afghan currency. Despite the notorious hospitality of the tribes, which keeps them from cashing in on the multi million dollar bounty on Al Quaeda and Taliban members in their midst, they still do value currency as the means to conduct their affairs. Currency buys and sells weapons, drugs, livestock, and loyalty among the tribes, and without it their mobility, armed bodyguards, and general well being are severely limited. This fact affords a leverage not otherwise possible in this barren land. Using a carrot and stick approach, manipulation of the currency can influence the warlords into getting with the program which, in the end, is to establish an evolving republic structure that will one day afford the average citizen full rights, freedoms and responsibilities.

    This is not pie in the sky. It is simply a goal, unreachable at the moment but definitely attainable if the right moves are made at the right time.

    Herewith, a proposal to bring this about:
    a) Partition Afganistan into a federation of states, each based on either the domain of a local warlord, or the tribal boundaries, in the case of large areas such as those the Pashtuns control. This process must be negotiated among the entities involved, and a blueprint for initial negotiations must be created by experts on Afghan culture, savvy politicians who do not favor a particular player in this game(if there are such animals—usually there are one or two), Afghan bankers, and representatives of the Allied and Afghan militaries. British military officials are probably the best Allied members to recruit for this venture as they come from a tradition of empire and have historically viewed local conflicts with cold-eyed realism, but other allies should be kept in the loop during negotiations.
    b) Name each of the states after the current warlord in charge if they are determined to be vigorous and not soon to retire or die and—this is most important—issue separate currencies in their name. There is a precedent for this in our own history: the colonies initially conceived of their union as one of convenience for opposing the crown—even issuing their own currencies in the form of colonial scrip individual to each colony before the revolution and apparently conducting successful trade amongst themselves using these different currencies. And the ensuing states had far more power than currently.
    c) Each currency is to be issued with the name and visage of the local honcho running the territory prominently displayed on all coins and bills. Although separate, each will denominate the same way—pennies, nickels, dimes, quarters, dollars in a decimal configuration—to foster trade between the states.
    d) Despite this ego boost, each state governor/warlord is to accept this arrangemenwith the understanding that members of his immediate family cannot succeed him. He can transfer power, but not to one of his own, and not to one of the neighboring states. Furthermore—and this is most important—each governor will spend one month out of each year rotating into a governorship of a neighboring state as remote as possible from his own, so that in a period of,say, ten years, he will have participated in the running of all the other states. During this one month period, he will have all the power and responsibilities the man he is succeeding had, as will the man who assumes his own mantle. This will nurture a sense of union that is essential if this is to work. Any individual who would abuse this rotation system runs the risk of having his own satrapy equally abused.
    (It is possible this rotation system could also be used to determine succession. When one satrap dies, a leader is chosen by lottery from non-leadership positions in one of the other states. This idea has bugs, but is worth exploring.)
    e) A central government in Kabul is formed with few responsibilities other than overseeing interstate infrastructure such as roads, power distribution, etc. and fielding an army drawn from each of the states. A president/prime minister handles all foreign affairs, appointing ambassadors, etc. The army is essentially funded and controlled by a yearly loya jirga of warlords, with the jirga also having final approval of all treaties. Army generalships rotates yearly between tribes with the underlying corps of lieutenants and field officers retaining their positions without rotation. This will foster continuity of competence while avoiding abuse from the upper echelons.
    f) A separate legislative body corresponding roughly to our house of representatives is chosen by state wide lotteries every three years from the population of anyone not related to a warlord. This body has the responsibility to enforce a simple constitution, detailed in the next paragraph, and includes women and people of all creeds and backgrounds. At some point a couple of decades hence, this body will be elected.
    g) The constitution mandates equal treatment for women and minorities and all creeds in all states and empowers the HR body to enforce it by giving them ultimate control over currency approvals for each state. In other words, any state that transgresses this mandate can have its currency devalued or substituted with another state's currency.
    h)The HR body appoints an official to oversee the state lotteries and set minimum standards for schools,police and fire departments, which is funded and run by the individual states. Most of these will be initially very primitive.
    i)The HR body can also direct the president to use the army to put down a rogue state, or one that is either ignoring the constitution or threatening its neighbor states. This will have to be done with the consent of the other warlords in the loya jirga, but shouldn't be a problem if they themselves feel threatened.
    j) To get the general population into voting mode, referendums are held yearly on interstate issues such as food safety, and road placement. A separate HR appointed official oversees referendums.
    k) A supreme court nominated by the warlord body has its edicts enforced in the HR body, which directs the President to act. Each state has its own separate court system, which will try individuals arrested in neighboring states but not in its own boundaries. This cuts down on the human rights abuses of which the warlords are so fond. They are themselves be above the law except that the loya jirga can discipline one of its members if a 2/3 majority agrees.
    l) Much has been made of the concept of Sharia law, which is basically a bunch of mullahs deciding what everyone else should do with their lives. I do not include this in the proposed government structure, as I believe it to be subject to extreme abuse. However, it is an idea that has gained traction in the Islamic world, and I think after four years of establishing the proposed government, a referendum could be held on adopting certain aspects of Sharia. Every four years this referendum can be offered, and if Sharia is, Allah forbid, approved then it itself would be subject to an affirming referendum every four years hence.

    Funding this government is not cheap—probably around a billion dollars a year to set up and keep it operating. However, it offers a means for the allies to leave and be assured a relatively intact new nation is underway. And compared to the present expense of this open-ended war, it's a drop in the bucket. Probably an allied military presence will be required at least until Al Quaeda is neutralized and the Taliban insurgencies quieted. This will probably take years, but an effective federation with its own unique set of checks and balances will bring it to fruition much sooner than the current dysfunctional system. A generous infusion of economic aid aimed at developing the country's mineral resources,–which have been estimated at over $6 trillion,–with strong provisions that the general populace share in the wealth(not the case in most resource rich countries subject to foreign investment) will give a restive populace something to do besides hang out in madrassas learning how to practice mayhem on unbelievers.

    This proposal is intended to be a template for a much more comprehensive effort to set this troubled nation on a course to stability and prosperity. It will take a certain amount of commitment from the allies to make it happen, but it can be done.
    Afganistan is a starkly beautiful country with tough, resourceful people who've been dealt a rough hand for too many centuries. There is no better opportunity than the current conflict to effect a remedy.

    October 26, 2010 at 7:17 am | Reply
  403. Elenute Nicola

    No, it was not worth it, nor was the Iraq war. Bring our troops home now.

    November 2, 2010 at 9:20 pm | Reply
  404. Millie

    READ YOUR BIBLE- – there will never be peice in the middle east until Crist returns – – Bring our childern home to defend the home land!!!

    December 21, 2010 at 5:35 am | Reply
  405. Nikhil

    The United States government has known for some time that Bin Laden is hiding within the tribal provinces of western Pakistan along the Afghan border. Why we do not just simply go in and find him has turned into an international diplomatic nightmare. A country which split away from India to be free of religious persecution now claims to aid the country by which the major religion within it despises. President Musharaf knew after the 9/11 attacks that Bin Laden would seek refuge within these territories yet did nothing of true help to aid American forces. Now the Pakistani Gov't is trying to dissolve all ties with US forces in the wake of the wiki leaks controversy, because they are keen on maintaining their "neutral" take on the war. And during all of these events, terrorist organizations still rise within Pakistan to torment innocent bystanders in India, a country which has done nothing to either aid nor inhibit progress within the middle east. So why have we still not found Bin Laden? The reason is because Pakistan is trying to play both sides of the table and remain within the good graces of both the international and religious communities it belongs too.

    March 11, 2011 at 1:03 am | Reply
  406. Ginny

    Honor the dead. These guys should still be alive. What part about Muslim martyrs and American troops martyrs doesn't anyone get? They're both dead. Both because of the same reason – hatefulness. One is a martyr for Allah (I guess they think he is a good god) and the other is "honored" for patriotism. But they're all still dead. They will never see families. Their families will never see them. What a waste.

    March 11, 2011 at 1:19 am | Reply
  407. Rodney

    We all live on the same planet. Violence is not something that I encourage, but it is important to bring terrorists and criminals to justice. The safety of all people, in the United States and worldwide should be something that everybody is concerned with. I don't know all of the details on the situation, but there are power in numbers. Reducing the number of troops, puts the soldiers at a greater risk. I'm sure whoever is in charge knows what is happening and has good reasons for expanding the mission. HOPEFULLY WE CAN ALL LIVE PEACEFULLY ONE DAY.

    May 11, 2011 at 5:21 pm | Reply

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